Who else thinks this?

He never really beat a top, world class fighter..

and when he did he got knocked down twice by one punch, and when he fought the half decent Cory Spinks, he lost the 1st time and won the 2nd which was pretty impressive, but Spinks was overrated as hell also and lost to Mayorga(robbery)

Zab is the most overrated fighter today..

All he has fought and looked good against are just a bunch of bums, but people talk like this guy like he's god and beat everyone...

Zab=most overrated fighter today

PS. Keep this intelligent and don't flame me. If you don't like what you see and want to flame me, then don't reply.

Disagree..

He hasn't even beat a top 10 p4p fighter....(ranked by ring magazine who has the best rankings)

Spinks was not top 10 at the time...

Disagree..

You didn't flame me, so karma for you. When I can.

People talk about this guy like he's god...

Having him top 10 p4p is nothing more than a joke..

agree. hasnt beat anyone, beat spinks thats it. could be very great, hes talented as hell. needs to fight some good fighters, MARGARITO?

agree. hasnt beat anyone, beat spinks thats it. could be very great, hes talented as hell. needs to fight some good fighters, MARGARITO?

Margarito
Floyd
Wright
Cotto
Hatton

He beats one of them and gets my respect..

He beat Spinks...

but who has Spinks beaten?

Let me guess..

Mayorga-got a gift!
Judah-Spinks made a name by beating Judah!

If he fights a name at 147 he gets my respect.

Spinks is/was a very talented fighter. He's very limited with not outstanding speed or power, but he makes use of his talents and has very good funadementals and technique.

Hes definately not top 10 p4p, but hes got some speed and a some power behind his punch. He is the #1 welterweight in the world right now, but he needs to start fighting some serious threats and not just mandatories.

He needs to fight Floyd or Margarito next year.

Who else thinks this?

He never really beat a top, world class fighter..

and when he did he got knocked down twice by one punch, and when he fought the half decent Cory Spinks, he lost the 1st time and won the 2nd which was pretty impressive, but Spinks was overrated as hell also and lost to Mayorga(robbery)

Zab is the most overrated fighter today..

All he has fought and looked good against are just a bunch of bums, but people talk like this guy like he's god and beat everyone...

Zab=most overrated fighter today

PS. Keep this intelligent and don't flame me. If you don't like what you see and want to flame me, then don't reply.

Okay okay,your redeaming yourself.

Yes.Overrated,at the least unproven.Like floyd said "he needs to get off those undercards"

Hes definately not top 10 p4p, but hes got some speed and a some power behind his punch. He is the #1 welterweight in the world right now, but he needs to start fighting some serious threats and not just mandatories.

He needs to fight Floyd or Margarito next year.

Exactly!

Talented, but unproven!

Who else thinks this?

He never really beat a top, world class fighter..

and when he did he got knocked down twice by one punch, and when he fought the half decent Cory Spinks, he lost the 1st time and won the 2nd which was pretty impressive, but Spinks was overrated as hell also and lost to Mayorga(robbery)

Zab is the most overrated fighter today..

All he has fought and looked good against are just a bunch of bums, but people talk like this guy like he's god and beat everyone...

Zab=most overrated fighter today

PS. Keep this intelligent and don't flame me. If you don't like what you see and want to flame me, then don't reply.

for some odd reason everyone was saying cory spinks was a very good boxer and p4p material. But now that judah beat him everyone says hes overrated and always have to mention a fight (kostya tszyu) that happend in 2001. Yes he was hurt. And the reason he fell twice was becuase he got up too quickly. Its very obvious he didnt have his legs under him and just got up on reaction. Lets not focus too much on one fight and see what he does now.

if u want to talk about overrated who has Margarito beat? He lost to santos

for some odd reason everyone was saying cory spinks was a very good boxer and p4p material. But now that judah beat him everyone says hes overrated and always have to mention a fight (kostya tszyu) that happend in 2001. Yes he was hurt. And the reason he fell twice was becuase he got up too quickly. Its very obvious he didnt have his legs under him and just got up on reaction. Lets not focus too much on one fight and see what he does now.

if u want to talk about overrated who has Margarito beat? He lost to santos


Did you ever see me saying Margarito is top 10 p4p ?? No...

I think he can beat Judah..
Until he beats a world class opponent, Margarito ain't even top 20 p4p...

Judah has potential, but the guy is overrated by many...

Super Zab Judah, not talking about you, you know your ****...

for some odd reason everyone was saying cory spinks was a very good boxer and p4p material. But now that judah beat him everyone says hes overrated and always have to mention a fight (kostya tszyu) that happend in 2001. Yes he was hurt. And the reason he fell twice was becuase he got up too quickly. Its very obvious he didnt have his legs under him and just got up on reaction. Lets not focus too much on one fight and see what he does now.

if u want to talk about overrated who has Margarito beat? He lost to santos

Very true,and yet..i like margarito more.Zab had the opp to fight PBF,and what now? NO fight with pbf.Margarito didnt have that opportunity if he did the fight would have been on already.

As far as the spinks thing..some people say Zab is p4p material,dosent make it true.

No matter what you say. Every fighter is going to be "overated" in his career. Spinks is very good at what he does. He's feather fisted but he's a very good boxer, REALLY underated actually. I felt Spinks just barely beat Judah the 1st time but the crowd and St.Louis atmosphere got to him a little bit too much, thats why I think he got KO'd imo.

But, he's a professional and he shouldn't let the crowd and his entrance get in the way of his gameplan.

Judah's talented, but unproven. Until he fights a name and WINS, then he'll get my respect.

Honestly, I want to see what this guy is made of...

Anyone that fights Margarito gets my respect!

No matter what you say. Every fighter is going to be "overated" in his career. Spinks is very good at what he does. He's feather fisted but he's a very good boxer, REALLY underated actually. I felt Spinks just barely beat Judah the 1st time but the crowd and St.Louis atmosphere got to him a little bit too much, thats why I think he got KO'd imo.

But, he's a professional and he shouldn't let the crowd and his entrance get in the way of his gameplan.

Judah's talented, but unproven. Until he fights a name and WINS, then he'll get my respect.

Thank you, exactly what I was saying.

Really, you need to look outside just Mexican fighters. Good fighters exist in all races.

Im waiting for you to make the thread whose better Morales/Barrera or Mayweather.
Honestly, I want to see what this guy is made of...

Anyone that fights Margarito gets my respect!

Exactly!

Talented, but unproven!

To a certain extent I agree with what you're saying. Judah is a very talented guy and he's built up a pretty good fight card, but he's not really stepped up against superstar opposition. So I wouldn't exactly call him unproven, but I think it is time for him to face a really challenging opponent.

I see him as somewhat overrated, but not hugely overrated. He's still the best welterweight right now and he has wins over Ward, Green, Witter, Spinks and Corley.

I really hope we see Judah vs. Mayweather in 2006. Money wise this fight should work for both fighters and it should be a good one to watch.

zab is a very very talented fighter, if he fights pbf i think he could win. he is overated, but i think he could beat lots of fighters. he will get demolished by margarito tho, althogh i think zab could beat pretty much everyone else from 140-147 if he fights and trains hard, and fights write fight.

Actually I never thought Cory was that good so not everyone. :D

Anyway Zab has undeniable talent, sure he might be unproven, but i dont think its as severe as other cases. I dont think that many people talk about him like he is god. So he is not completely overrated. Just un proven. I would have him at the top of the list after the proven fighters.

So i repeat.. unproven, not overrated.

Hopkins and Tszyu however are another matter. :D


P.S. by now u might have gotten the sudden urge to flame me or gimme bad karma... please direct this at The_Greatest :D Thank you.

Oh my.

You think The_Greatest is a moron too. We must be twins.

How in the world do people think that it is Mosley, Mayweather Jr., and Judah have to prove something to Margarita? If anything it's the other way around. What has Margarita proven? He's gonna get b*tchslapped just like his homie "El ***o" Morales against Raheem, and make the excuse that Mayweather, Judah, and Mosley are "runners".

Fellas, be careful of what you wish for 'cause a Mayweather-Judah matchup is gonna be a borefest. Similar to Byrd-Williamson. I've posted it before but Ugly Boy and Super Zab are blood related(their mom's are 1st cousins) On paper it's a great matchup, but these two will just end up giving us a "flinch-fest" and shadowboxing.

Well. I could not disagree more with this thread.

Judah has beat some good fighters.

Pineda--who beat Roger Mayweather and Oba Carr

Corley--who had only one defeat at the time and was coming off an impressive win over Six heads Lewis and Randal Bailey

Omar Weis--who beat Macho Camacho jr, and Emmanuel Augustus

Junior Witter--Bigtime English prospect who was undefeated at the time....and is currently held in high regards as a contender

Micky Ward--An extemely dangerous opponent who caused problems for many undefeated prospects

Jan Bergman--who holds a win over Edwin Cassiani and Kamel Ali

Corey Spinks--who he was robbed against in the first fight...avenging the second by knockout.

oh and FYI Spinks is not an average fighter.........he holds quality wins over:

Mayorga
Laser Marks
Miguel Gonzales
Lenny Townsend
Michele Piccirillo when he had only one defeat.



So....what the **** ever.

Oh and this just in.....he was either punishing, outclassing, or knocking these fighters out.

oh and FYI Spinks is not an average fighter.........he holds quality wins over:

Mayorga
Laser Marks
Miguel Gonzales
Lenny Townsend
Michele Piccirillo when he had only one defeat.



So....what the **** ever.

I have been saying Spinks is a talented fighter for a long time. He loses once to Judah and all of a sudden hes vastly overated.

I have been saying Spinks is a talented fighter for a long time. He loses once to Judah and all of a sudden hes vastly overated.

Yeah....that is not really stupid to call him overrated. Moreso Ignorant. Because the people that do....are not stupid.

simply misinformed.....and lacking in boxing knowledge.

From dictionary.com

Stupid:

Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

I'm pretty sure they're stupid ;).

Really, you need to look outside just Mexican fighters. Good fighters exist in all races.

Im waiting for you to make the thread whose better Morales/Barrera or Mayweather.

I think your the first person to bring up "race" in this thread. And that's coming from a person who read all the posts with an un-biased opinion.

As far as Super Judah, I wouldn't say over-rated but one thing that is for certain...he has not faced a decent puncher since Kosta Tsyzu.

I need to see him in there with someone that could really hurt him...and Margarito could def really hurt Zab. That's why I'd like to see the two fight. "Not because A.M. is of the Mexican race."

I forgot to mention Cory Spinks.

Great boxer and a good talent, and whether it be that he got caught up in the hometown hype or whatever his excuse was, he didn't look anywhere near as sharp as when he out-boxed Mayorga (didn't really agree with the ref personally), or when he beat Zab the first time.

He just looked very sluggish. Could of been a bad night.

judah has to step it up sometime.and will.

would like to see a mosley/judah over a margarito/judah.

i feel we would see more skills from judah if he wants to beat mosley.

both would be legit ppv.

good thread greatest.

Zab is a very good fighter He may be a little overrated but he has skillz....I believe the best of Zab lies ahead.

Who else thinks this?

He never really beat a top, world class fighter..

and when he did he got knocked down twice by one punch, and when he fought the half decent Cory Spinks, he lost the 1st time and won the 2nd which was pretty impressive, but Spinks was overrated as hell also and lost to Mayorga(robbery)

Zab is the most overrated fighter today..

All he has fought and looked good against are just a bunch of bums, but people talk like this guy like he's god and beat everyone...

Zab=most overrated fighter today

PS. Keep this intelligent and don't flame me. If you don't like what you see and want to flame me, then don't reply.

You think everyone is overated it seems...lol :D

Well. I could not disagree more with this thread.

Judah has beat some good fighters.

Pineda--who beat Roger Mayweather and Oba Carr

Corley--who had only one defeat at the time and was coming off an impressive win over Six heads Lewis and Randal Bailey

Omar Weis--who beat Macho Camacho jr, and Emmanuel Augustus

Junior Witter--Bigtime English prospect who was undefeated at the time....and is currently held in high regards as a contender

Micky Ward--An extemely dangerous opponent who caused problems for many undefeated prospects

Jan Bergman--who holds a win over Edwin Cassiani and Kamel Ali

Corey Spinks--who he was robbed against in the first fight...avenging the second by knockout.

oh and FYI Spinks is not an average fighter.........he holds quality wins over:

Mayorga
Laser Marks
Miguel Gonzales
Lenny Townsend
Michele Piccirillo when he had only one defeat.



So....what the **** ever.

Oh and this just in.....he was either punishing, outclassing, or knocking these fighters out.

yeah, he punished and outclassed corley...o WAIT
he won a split decision over corley....and rafel pineda!
for any real boxer, micky ward isnt a problem, bergman weis and pineda are nothing to brag about, witter was REALLY young and it was a unimpressive ud

quality fighters? give me a break. spinks is a decent fighter who got a gift against mayo, and he beat zab the first time. i like zab, but i really want him to step up and see what he can do, hes a great talent

i think judah's overrated as a puncher, but not a boxer. i dont think he carries the pop that people say he does.

I'm not a big fan of Judah, but the guys got skills.

yeah, he punished and outclassed corley...o WAIT
he won a split decision over corley....and rafel pineda!


Yeah.

I actually watched those fights.

I can not be objective on the topic...But I would still say that Zabdiel is not overrated. I mean kid got lots of potential and he matured greatly since his losses to Tszyu and Spinks...and whats more important he knows of his weak side which is mainly him losing focus in a middle of a fight. Thats his biggest flaw.
I can not be objective because we are both from the same and he still practices there from time to time...and when he practices you just see how brilliant he is.

Yeah.

I actually watched those fights.



stop trying to play off like they were impressive wins for zab, because they werent
if zab sd's these c and b class fighters, hes not going to beat floyd or hatton

hatton

ok great.

So are you saying Zab is not on Hatton's level?

i cant tell if hes on hattons level, because he keeps fighting bums and looking great some nights and like **** the others.

i cant tell if hes on hattons level, because he keeps fighting bums and looking great some nights and like **** the others.

Hatton fought 1 name his entire career. That was Tszyu.

Dont be one of those people who holds on to that victory....especially being over an over the hill Tszyu at best.

Hatton fought 1 name his entire career. That was Tszyu.

Dont be one of those people who holds on to that victory....especially being over an over the hill Tszyu at best.
totally agree..

but at least hes fought SOMEBODY, judah cannot say that he has

hatton didnt just beat zoo, he stopped him after controlling the whole fight
it was a very impressive win

but at least hes fought SOMEBODY, judah cannot say that he has

hatton didnt just beat zoo, he stopped him after controlling the whole fight
it was a very impressive win
He did not control the whole fight it was fairly close and Zoo clearly was not the Zoo we have seen in the past.....

Margarito
Floyd
Wright
Cotto
Hatton

He beats one of them and gets my respect..
i think asking for him to fight wright is a bit too much cuz he is a small welterweight, nvmd middleweight

it was a very impressive win

That is a subjective matter.

I think fighting in Manchester gave him an advantage, not to mention he hit Tszyu below the belt ten times.

He did not control the whole fight it was fairly close and Zoo clearly was not the Zoo we have seen in the past.....

hatton was in control of that fight, he fought exactly the way he needed too and stopped the champ

That is a subjective matter.

I think fighting in Manchester gave him an advantage, not to mention he hit Tszyu below the belt ten times.

but hatton has still fought a big fight, and zab hasnt, that is why hes overrated

but hatton has still fought a big fight, and zab hasnt, that is why hes overrated

Yeah so.......I think the Spinks fight was pretty big myself.

hatton was in control of that fight, he fought exactly the way he needed too and stopped the champ
He fought how he needed to no more no less.....I was not impressed.

Yeah so.......I think the Spinks fight was pretty big myself.

haha corey spinks isnt a great fighter, and that fight wasnt close to hatton-zoo

He fought how he needed to no more no less.....I was not impressed.

you were not impressed with hatton taking control of the more experienced and more powerful zoo and stopping him late in the fight??
apparently it takes alot to impress you

Hatton/Tszyu was one hell of a dirty fight.
Oh and btw Judah ko's PBF ;)

Who else thinks this?

He never really beat a top, world class fighter..

and when he did he got knocked down twice by one punch, and when he fought the half decent Cory Spinks, he lost the 1st time and won the 2nd which was pretty impressive, but Spinks was overrated as hell also and lost to Mayorga(robbery)

Zab is the most overrated fighter today..

All he has fought and looked good against are just a bunch of bums, but people talk like this guy like he's god and beat everyone...

Zab=most overrated fighter today

PS. Keep this intelligent and don't flame me. If you don't like what you see and want to flame me, then don't reply.


What an *******. You continuously make every effort to insult Zab Judah then say "please don't flame me" and think everything is cool.

F U, You're overrated.

Hahahaha. Well said. Well said.

What an *******. You continuously make every effort to insult Zab Judah then say "please don't flame me" and think everything is cool.

F U, You're overrated.

Hahahaha. Well said. Well said.
Rodgers, youre the man, you cannot honestly say Zab has faught ond beaten a very good fighter. Spinks is not a great fighter, Spinks is literally a little kid, a softfisted, kid bodied, little boy with no power to jack off a chipmunk. Spinks is a crybaby who cried when he realised he got the surprising bad decision over Mayorga.

Rodgers, youre the man, you cannot honestly say Zab has faught ond beaten a very good fighter. Spinks is not a great fighter, Spinks is literally a little kid, a softfisted, kid bodied, little boy with no power to jack off a chipmunk. Spinks is a crybaby who cried when he realised he got the surprising bad decision over Mayorga.

yet if Spinks had actually beat Judah you'd be all over his dick.

Terron Millet, DeMarcus Corley, Mickey Ward, Reggie Green, Junior Witter, and yes Spinks. All those are very good wins.

Oh, Judah beat Ward in Judah's 16th pro fight. A 12 rounder, in which Ward didn't land even 90 punches on Judah! That's about 7.5 punches a round Ward landed, LOL. Now come on, that's pretty damn good for a guy who is just 15-0 at the time to do to a veteran like Ward.

Corley was a very good win for sure. Judah was the first significant person to beat him. He only had one early loss prior.

Millet, same as Corley. Hell, that was back when they were all over Millet's dick to be the next great 140 pounder.

Witter has gone on since Judah to be 17-0. He got 15 KOs in a row following the Judah loss. He's still only got the 1 loss. Witter is definitely a top 5 140 lb fighter. And let's even say just Top 10.

You're saying Corley wasn't a Top 10 welterweight? Okay, tell me 9 other guys at welterweight, hell even now that are better than Spinks.

All those guys I named were top 10 guys when Judah beat them.

zab has beaten solid opponents. Not great. But for Tha Greatest to make a thread talkin **** about Judah like hes a nobody is unwarranted bro. You must give Judah some credit.
Rodgers, youre the man, you cannot honestly say Zab has faught ond beaten a very good fighter. Spinks is not a great fighter, Spinks is literally a little kid, a softfisted, kid bodied, little boy with no power to jack off a chipmunk. Spinks is a crybaby who cried when he realised he got the surprising bad decision over Mayorga.

zab has beaten solid opponents. Not great. But for Tha Greatest to make a thread talkin **** about Judah like hes a nobody is unwarranted bro. You must give Judah some credit.
I give judah a lot of credit. never before have I seen a man knocked down 3 times from one punch,,lol. then to top it off he acts like a little punk throwing chairs and being real tough by going after the referee..lol. but hey he beat mighty corey spinks once out of 2 fights,,,,LOL

in my honest opinion I feel that Don King isnt allowing judah to fight in the mega fights. Maybe he isnt confident Judah. I assume Judah is the type of guy that would fight anyone because of his ****yness. So Im not sure if being with don king is helping judah.