I dont expect many people to agree with me on this one, but i think he is, i thought he bested oscar if not fought a draw wit him, and Vargas if hbo didnt suck Fernandos dick like they did kid diamond against casamayor, i also thought he won The fight against Lopez which was changed to a draw...In my opinion hes undefeated and just got shorted of Boxing Glory, Think about how many great fights we missed cause he was disgusted and took a 41/2 yr layoff, i just hope he can salvage some glory for his career that could have been one of the greatest in my opinion...

vargas beat him pretty badly IMO, i think the scorecards were like 116-112 117-111, granted i didn't c it though. DLH knocked him down twice also.

and he got knocked down against philips which is laffable lol

imo hes not that good, when he had his chances, he blew them

The Oscar fight was close, but the KD in the 12th sealed the deal.

Vargas clearly beat Quartay. He out punched and outlanded him by a significant margin, and clearly one more rounds.

You should watch that one again, it wasn't close.

I agree with most of what you say but I don't think he could of been one of the greatest. He was a really talented fighter kind of like Casamayor they both don't get the respect they deserve. He's still good, but he's definetly not as good as he was.

It's actually sad when you think about it, he DEFINETLY beat Vargas. That was a sure win but I guess HBO couldn't have a guy from Ghana as world champion of the world as opposed to an American.

I rated Quartey very high, he had so much talent it's pretty sad how he got screwed over in some of his big fights.

vargas beat him pretty badly IMO, i think the scorecards were like 116-112 117-111, granted i didn't c it though. DLH knocked him down twice also.

and he got knocked down against philips which is laffable lol

imo hes not that good, when he had his chances, he blew them

did u see any of the fights??? Hes not that good??? The Judges also gave Burton the win over augustus does that mean Burton won??? And fightin Vince Phillips in ur 2nd fight after a 5 yr layoff and winning is not laffable at all buddy, he got caught wit a good shot, did he get up and win??? Yes he did...dont hate on him if u dont know what ur talkin about...

dont hate on him if u dont know what ur talkin about...


Speaking of not knowing what you're talking about...

He fought Verno Phillips reccently, not Cool Vince.

The Oscar fight was close, but the KD in the 12th sealed the deal.

Vargas clearly beat Quartay. He out punched and outlanded him by a significant margin, and clearly one more rounds.

You should watch that one again, it wasn't close.

thats ur opinion, but i just got done watchin the fight actually, and he hit vargas way harder, and vargas missed a lot of punchs, the crowd and hbo commentators is what got him that win...and if it wasnt that close why did one judge have a 1 point for vargas, u should watch it again, turn down the volume and pay attention to how he controlled the fight, dont get caught up in the hype bozo...sayin it wasnt close shows me u didnt pay attention, cause even if u thought vargas won ud know it was close...but like calabrese said he definately beat Vargas...

Yeah, I was gonna say so too.

Verno is a STEP above journeyman though.

I dont expect many people to agree with me on this one, but i think he is, i thought he bested oscar if not fought a draw wit him, and Vargas if hbo didnt suck Fernandos dick like they did kid diamond against casamayor, i also thought he won The fight against Lopez which was changed to a draw...In my opinion hes undefeated and just got shorted of Boxing Glory, Think about how many great fights we missed cause he was disgusted and took a 41/2 yr layoff, i just hope he can salvage some glory for his career that could have been one of the greatest in my opinion...
oh please. vargas clearly won that fight be a pretty good margin

Speaking of not knowing what you're talking about...

He fought Verno Phillips reccently, not Cool Vince.
actually i do know what im talkin about, thats called a typo, he fought on the undercard of johnson tarver, my bad for ****in up the name, but i know what im talkin about..

oh please. vargas clearly won that fight be a pretty good margin

thats up opinion, like i said i dont expect everyone to agree wit me...But if u think vargas won clearly i think u got caught up in the hype, if u say vargas won a close decision id say maybe maybe not...

moraleskospacisback can you send me that fight somehow? I want to re-watch it.

I've seen the fight several times, I don't need to watch it again.

If you feel better saying it was a close fight as in Vargas only won it by a few rounds, feel free.

But if you scored that fight even, or for Quartay, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about, and you should learn to score a fight propperly.

It was a competitive fight that Vargas clearly won. Period.

which one the vargas quartey fight???

I've seen the fight several times, I don't need to watch it again.

If you feel better saying it was a close fight as in Vargas only won it by a few rounds, feel free.

But if you scored that fight even, or for Quartay, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about, and you should learn to score a fight propperly.

It was a competitive fight that Vargas clearly won. Period.

to tell me i dont know how to score a fight just tells me u dont know boxing, cause boxing is opinative, why do u think theres such things as split decisions???cause some judges see things different ass, theres no such thing as a perfect way to score a fight...thats why i said in my opinion Quartey won the fight...and i said in my first post i dont expect everyone to agree wit me...so **** off

Bozo, why do you act like your opinion is much better then ours? What makes your opinion greater and better then ours?

Your so big with facts why don't you show the compbox stats for the fight and we'll see.

EDIT- the compubox stats are in favour of Vargas. I'll have to re-watch this fight this was a while back when I saw this fight.

Bozo, why do you act like your opinion is much better then ours? What makes your opinion greater and better then ours?

Your so big with facts why don't you show the compbox stats for the fight and we'll see.

thank you...thank you...thank you...couldnt have said it better myself...

EDIT- the compubox stats are in favour of Vargas. I'll have to re-watch this fight this was a while back when I saw this fight.

Not to threadjack, but the compbox numbers were in favor of Hopkins in the Taylor fight. Hmmmm....

ike quartey was lucky to get away with a draw with jose luis lopez , who flored him in the second round .

and vargas beat him clearly .

ho and on a side note quartey fought both verno phillips and cool vince phillips , whom he stopped in 4 rounds in a great fight .

and oscar hit mosley 100 more times in there rematch and lost...compubox doesnt always tell the tale, and judges arent always right...thats why i said, boxing is opinative, and my opinion is Quartey beat Vargas, thats all im sayin...

ike quartey was lucky to get away with a draw with jose luis lopez , who flored him in the second round .

and vargas beat him clearly .

ho and on a side note quartey fought both verno phillips and cool vince phillips , whom he stopped in 4 rounds in a great fight .

i know he fought vince phillips and beat him in 3 rounds actually... and then vince lost 1 more, and went on to beat tszyu at 140...i know i know i know...

vargas beat him pretty badly IMO, i think the scorecards were like 116-112 117-111, granted i didn't c it though. DLH knocked him down twice also.

and he got knocked down against philips which is laffable lol

imo hes not that good, when he had his chances, he blew them

Why are you even commenting then?

Idiot...

i know he fought vince phillips and beat him in 3 rounds actually... and then vince lost 1 more, and went on to beat tszyu at 140...i know i know i know...


but did ya know about the fight against maestrito lopez . it seems nobody saw it in the states . ike greceived a gift decision in this fight .

Fights aren't that hard to score for the most part, and this one in paticular was a clear win for Vargas.

So when I see someone talking about it like it was truely a win for Quartay, I think that's garbage.

Saying 'it's all a matter of opinion' doens't cut it.

There's criteria for scoring rounds.

I remember the fight well, and if you were scoring more rounds for Quartay than you were for Vargas, you don't know what you're doing.

Anyone can come on here and say they scored a fight a certian way. That doesn't make it credible.

Vargas threw and landed at a significatnly higher rate, and did so in more rounds.

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It was a competitve fight, but a clear win for Vargas.

but did ya know about the fight against maestrito lopez . it seems nobody saw it in the states . ike greceived a gift decision in this fight .

yes i did see the fight wit jose lopez, and lopez knocked him down twice, once in the second which was an off balance knockdown, and once in the 11th while there breakin from a clinch and ike left himself open, and he was really hurt, but every other round he easily won wit his jab...

Bozo, ur not tellin me nothin at all, showin me stats aint ****, cause what makes u think those stats are accurate??? Humans make mistakes, and Hbo was suckin vargas's dick, so dont show me stats and think im suppose to change my decision, i just watched the fight and he hit Vargas wit way harder shots, and counterd his ass, i dont care what the stats say, In my opinion Quartey won, and theres nothin u or nobody can tell me to change my opinion, so once again **** off...and like i said Oscar hit Mosley 100 more times, and mosley got a unamious decision, and people actually thought mosley won includin Max Kellerman(which means nothing) but is suppose to be an expect boxing commentator, I thought Oscar beat mosleys ass...so stats mean nothing...

Bozo, ur not tellin me nothin at all, showin me stats aint ****, cause what makes u think those stats are accurate??? Humans make mistakes, and Hbo was suckin vargas's dick, so dont show me stats and think im suppose to change my decision, i just watched the fight and he hit Vargas wit way harder shots, and counterd his ass, i dont care what the stats say, In my opinion Quartey won, and theres nothin u or nobody can tell me to change my opinion, so once again **** off...and like i said Oscar hit Mosley 100 more times, and mosley got a unamious decision, and people actually thought mosley won includin Max Kellerman(which means nothing) but is suppose to be an expect boxing commentator, I thought Oscar beat mosleys ass...so stats mean nothing...


That's fine, I'm not looking to change you mind.

Your opinion is that Quartay won.

My opinion is that your opinion is a joke.

Vargas out threw, out landed, and out hustled Quartay over almost every round.

I think your take is weak, biased, and I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Lets just leave it at that.

That's fine, I'm not looking to change you mind.

Your opinion is that Quartay won.

My opinion is that your opinion is a joke.

Vargas out threw, out landed, and out hustled Quartay over almost every round.

I think your take is weak, biased, and I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Lets just leave it at that.

vice versa, everything u said to me gos back to u...ur opinion is ur opinion...and my opinion is mine...thats boxing..accept it

vargas beat him pretty badly IMO, i think the scorecards were like 116-112 117-111, granted i didn't c it though. DLH knocked him down twice also.

and he got knocked down against philips which is laffable lol

imo hes not that good, when he had his chances, he blew them

Absolutly vargas one that fight no questions asked.

The DLH fight was close but Quartey won it by a point. He dictated the pace with that badass jab and landed the better punches.

The KD in the 12th swayed the fight in DLH's favor for many people but it shouldn't have. Quartey won that fight.

Vargas beat Ike in their bout though. Ike seemed to be inexplicably cruising in those middle rounds.

Anybody notice how DLH never gave Ike a rematch? :D

Anybody notice how DLH never gave Ike a rematch? :D

Yea Ike was a to tough a fight to take again, he deserved a rematch but Oscar wanted to fight tito so it never happend, I always wanted to see a tito quartey fight when both were in there prime...to bad...would have been fireworks...

Quartey clearly lost to vargas you cannot argue about that. The fight with DLH was a close one. I thought it was a draw. Quartey is not the same. He can go up as a top 10 contender but will never be champion again.

Vargas clearly won the fight againt Quartey, all I remmember is seeing Ike on the ropes and Vargas pounding away, Ike kept waiting and waiting to land the right hand..the DLH fight was very close..I saw it as a draw but the 12th rd counts alot thats why DLH got then nod, and the Jose luis Lopez fight..Ike was out on his feet dude..he was so close to being KO'ed..If Lopez had faster hands Ike would of gotten KO'ed.

Yea Ike was a to tough a fight to take again, he deserved a rematch but Oscar wanted to fight tito so it never happend, I always wanted to see a tito quartey fight when both were in there prime...to bad...would have been fireworks...


That would of been lovely,..Ike and Tito were going to fight but then Ike opted to fight DLH more money..But Ike and Tito would of been awesome..Titos Stamina and power versus Ikes Jab and not so good stamina, I think Tito would of KO'ed Ike late..like in the 10th..

That would of been lovely,..Ike and Tito were going to fight but then Ike opted to fight DLH more money..But Ike and Tito would of been awesome..Titos Stamina and power versus Ikes Jab and not so good stamina, I think Tito would of KO'ed Ike late..like in the 10th..

I dunno, I think Ike would have won a Ud, if not a late stoppage, He has a Jab that even winky dont have and more power, he would have frustrated Tito and counterd him all night imo, but Ikes defense is to block shots and wit titos power it mite have got him hurt, and I believe Ike can still be a champion, Just wait and watch...

Vargas clearly won the fight againt Quartey, all I remmember is seeing Ike on the ropes and Vargas pounding away, Ike kept waiting and waiting to land the right hand..the DLH fight was very close..I saw it as a draw but the 12th rd counts alot thats why DLH got then nod, and the Jose luis Lopez fight..Ike was out on his feet dude..he was so close to being KO'ed..If Lopez had faster hands Ike would of gotten KO'ed.

Ditto. I cant agree more. I scored the DLH fight even too.

Ike beat De la hoya, but he clearly lost to Vargas. If he had not taken off so many rounds and let his right hand go more often he might have gotten the nod on vargas. He was landing right hands at will but one problem he has always had is that he holds back his right hand sometimes and relies only on his jab. Secondly his inside fighting (Hooks etc) was horrible. When de la hoya had him in the last few rounds of their fight Qaurtey resorted to girly hooks etc. If someone could please show this man how to throw a proper hook with something on it.

Ike beat De la hoya, but he clearly lost to Vargas. If he had not taken off so many rounds and let his right hand go more often he might have gotten the nod on vargas. He was landing right hands at will but one problem he has always had is that he holds back his right hand sometimes and relies only on his jab. Secondly his inside fighting (Hooks etc) was horrible. When de la hoya had him in the last few rounds of their fight Qaurtey resorted to girly hooks etc. If someone could please show this man how to throw a proper hook with something on it.

with 30 of those 36 wins comin by ko, i think he knows what hes doing, trust me, hell be ok...

he easily beat de la hoya...but vargas got the better of him

Man, I'm gonna go and watch Vargas/Quartey again, because the fight I saw, I don't see how anyone could think that Ike won that.