Castillo-Corrales II PPV numbers lower than expected!
By G. Leon

October 12, 2005 - Although the exact number has yet to be released, impeccable sources have informed **********.com that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo Showtime PPV generated 75,000-100,000 homes less than the 350,000 homes Showtime was expecting. There will be much more to follow later today so stay tuned to our front page for all the latest. (11:25 AM EST)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! LMAO!!

Oh that's such good news.

Screw you Showtime, you SUCK!

Lower production values than TV Azteca

Castillo-Corrales II PPV numbers lower than expected!
By G. Leon

October 12, 2005 - Although the exact number has yet to be released, impeccable sources have informed **********.com that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo Showtime PPV generated 75,000-100,000 homes less than the 350,000 homes Showtime was expecting. There will be much more to follow later today so stay tuned to our front page for all the latest. (11:25 AM EST)
I put that down to the weight issue....

Another example of how most people have LOUSY taste.

This fight had some great word of mouth.....I though it would have sold better.
Perhaps those passing on the good words should have thrown in how Corrales once hit his pregnant wife ? Maybe that would have given it the Tyson-effect ?

Castillo-Corrales II PPV numbers lower than expected!
By G. Leon

October 12, 2005 - Although the exact number has yet to be released, impeccable sources have informed **********.com that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo Showtime PPV generated 75,000-100,000 homes less than the 350,000 homes Showtime was expecting. There will be much more to follow later today so stay tuned to our front page for all the latest. (11:25 AM EST)


ahaha, if this fight gets lackluster number, imagine hatton muassa or wright soliman

100K PPV buys is disgusting, insulting, and disheartening considering that Roy Jones and Toney Tarver got 405K.

What a ****ing joke!

I hold Jones and Tarver directly responsible, they ripped off fight fans so bad the week before that there was no way most were about to shell out another $50.

Thanks alot Toney and Roy, you both owe Chico and Castillo a couple hundred grand each!

100K PPV buys is disgusting, insulting, and disheartening considering that Roy Jones and Toney Tarver got 405K.

What a ****ing joke!

I hold Jones and Tarver directly responsible, they ripped off fight fans so bad the week before that there was no way most were about to shell out another $50.

Thanks alot Toney and Roy, you both owe Chico and Castillo a couple hundred grand each!


C'mon, Scap....the people got themselves a real treat....watching Roy & Antonio's FLINCH-FEST.
that was "boxing", you barbarian !

C'mon, Scap....the people got themselves a real treat....watching Roy & Antonio's FLINCH-FEST.
that was "boxing", you barbarian !
Flinch fest hahahahahahha.

It said 75k-100k less PPV buys than the 350k expected.

That means about 250k bought. Its not that bad.

It said 75k-100k less PPV buys than the 350k expected.

That means about 250k bought. Its not that bad.

That means that the fight lost money. If their analysts predicted that number than they paid the fighters and promoted the event according to their predictions. Being 100k off is huge money wise. So its very bad man. They lost money on the event.

100K PPV buys is disgusting, insulting, and disheartening considering that Roy Jones and Toney Tarver got 405K.

What a ****ing joke!

I hold Jones and Tarver directly responsible, they ripped off fight fans so bad the week before that there was no way most were about to shell out another $50.

Thanks alot Toney and Roy, you both owe Chico and Castillo a couple hundred grand each!

wtf do you keep saying Toney?

I think the fight lost money simply because of Tarver/Jones and the fact that Chico and Castillo are not household names...which they should be...that is a fault of the sport and its screwed up state that fighters like them don't get the exposure throughout their careers

wtf do you keep saying Toney?

I think the fight lost money simply because of Tarver/Jones and the fact that Chico and Castillo are not household names...which they should be...that is a fault of the sport and its screwed up state that fighters like them don't get the exposure throughout their careers


You need to understand scapology...

"Toney" = Antonio Tarver.

Another example of how most people have LOUSY taste.

This fight had some great word of mouth.....I though it would have sold better.
Perhaps those passing on the good words should have thrown in how Corrales once hit his pregnant wife ? Maybe that would have given it the Tyson-effect ?
I guess we have the same opinion.The first fight that Castillo and Corrales gave us was better than anything Tyson ever did his whole career, put together.

I guess we have the same opinion.The first fight that Castillo and Corrales gave us was better than anything Tyson ever did his whole career, put together.

well thats the biggest crock of **** ever.

Tyson-Etienne was better than that ****.

well thats the biggest crock of **** ever.

Tyson-Etienne was better than that ****.


That's true. I have never seen Cliff in a bad fight.

well thats the biggest crock of **** ever.

Tyson-Etienne was better than that ****.
No but seriously. When did Tyson ever show the balls to get up and stop someone that actually gave him a fight? Corrales did.When did Tyson ever show he could he come and beat someone that Koed him? Castillo did.

No but seriously. When did Tyson ever show the balls to get up and stop someone that actually gave him a fight? Corrales did.When did Tyson ever show he could he come and beat someone that Koed him? Castillo did.

Quick Tillis...

Tarver/Jones III is why the numbers are less than expected. I thought this fight would at least break 350,000 buys because on fight night damn near every street in my neighborhood was filled with cars which means that most people around my way bought the fight.

Tarver/Jones III is why the numbers are less than expected. I thought this fight would at least break 350,000 buys because on fight night damn near every street in my neighborhood was filled with cars which means that most people around my way bought the fight.


It might have been a swinger party and not the fight? Maybe?

I think there's no doubt all the fuss about the weight the night before effected the numbers.

No but seriously. When did Tyson ever show the balls to get up and stop someone that actually gave him a fight? Corrales did.When did Tyson ever show he could he come and beat someone that Koed him? Castillo did.

Castillo KO1 Tyson.

It might have been a swinger party and not the fight? Maybe?

No I don't think there were any swinger parties going on that night just a bunch of drunk people watching the fight. When the streets are packed in my neighborhood on a fight night then the PPV numbers are usually good.

No I don't think there were any swinger parties going on that night just a bunch of drunk people watching the fight. When the streets are packed in my neighborhood on a fight night then the PPV numbers are usually good.
Im confused, besides the people who thought Corrales would do better from the outside I dont anyone that wouldnt pay for this fight.What has boxing come to?
We even had the other fight of the candidate on the undercard!:confused:

I TOLD YA'LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No One knows who ta **** Castillo is besides us! LOL. Only Mayweather, de la hoya, Shane, Jones Jr...HBO fightas that gets hyped up will sell PPVs!

I TOLD YA'LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No One knows who ta **** Castillo is besides us! LOL. Only Mayweather, de la hoya, Shane, Jones Jr...HBO fightas that gets hyped up will sell PPVs!
BY saying besides us you mean real fight fans? I thought both corrales and castillo fought mayweather? would that make em known?Maybe your right i went to a boxing website once and they didnt know who El Temible was. They thaught I spelled El Terrible wrong.

BY saying besides us you mean real fight fans? I thought both corrales and castillo fought mayweather? would that make em known?Maybe your right i went to a boxing website once and they didnt know who El Temible was. They thaught I spelled El Terrible wrong.

yup US. you know ta one REALLY into ta sport.

I bet if HBO was hypin up tis fight, it would sell mo. That's anotha thing. HBO PPV's will always do betta than Showtime PPVs.

Hey Bomber,

I also got a pic with Lacy hahaha

but this is stupid! **** Jones and Tonio!
This is soooo retarded!

yup US. you know ta one REALLY into ta sport.

I bet if HBO was hypin up tis fight, it would sell mo. That's anotha thing. HBO PPV's will always do betta than Showtime PPVs.

Definately...

To a casual fan...

Jones-Tarver III would look better because of the way HBO hypes it up...Showtime sucks at hyping up fights...

Hey Bomber,

I also got a pic with Lacy hahaha

but this is stupid! **** Jones and Tonio!
This is soooo retarded!
Post it up kid!thats tight but happened with jones and e.t?

Post it up kid!thats tight but happened with jones and e.t?

LOL! I was sooo pissed in this pic cuz it was like 5 mins after Chico got KTFO:(

Bad pic but here goes..

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/ThaGreatest/DSC02618.jpg

hahahahaha! you look like you were crying! thats what you get for changing your mind on Castillo. did you hear the left hook land from where you were sitting?

I got two seprate fliers in the mail about Jones/Tarver...I never recieved anything about Corrales/Castillo.

HBO definately does a better job of making sure their shows regardless of quality succeed.

hahahahaha! you look like you were crying! thats what you get for changing your mind on Castillo. did you hear the left hook land from where you were sitting?

I donated you your points..

I will root for Chico next time and the next..

Like you guys have your pride for your country, I have pride for my hometown fighter:D

The rematch will be different:D

I still love Castillo, just gotta root for my man, I have Castillo p4p #2 right now..

I donated you your points..

I will root for Chico next time and the next..

Like you guys have your pride for your country, I have pride for my hometown fighter:D

The rematch will be different:D

I still love Castillo, just gotta root for my man, I have Castillo p4p #2 right now..
thx, sureno I will have your new sig ready soon. it was 2 weeks right?
who was crowd in favor of?did you hear the left hook that landed or not?

thx, sureno I will have your new sig ready soon. it was 2 weeks right?
who was crowd in favor of?did you hear the left hook that landed or not?
I had the $100 seats so I wasn't to close.

Yeah, sig is 2 weeks lol.

Castillo was the crowd favorite without a doubt! LOL!

This thread is turning gay. LOL!

This fight was poorly marketed and promoted from the get go.

-The venue: Thomas & Mack Center. Why on earth did they have the fight there? I was there and at least 3,000-4,000 seats were empty, if not more. It's off the strip, not really far away, but the casual walk up fans aren't going to want to go off the strip to see the fight, too much hassle. There was also a lot of confusion from casual fans as to where this fight was taking place, lots of people thought it was being held at Caesars, when they found out it was at T & M off the strip they said forget about it.
Mandalay had Sumo wrestling all weekend so they couldn't host it, but I can't see why the MGM wouldn't want the fight, unless they had a concert going on that took the date anyway.
This fight lost money, you could tell by the box office at the arena. Even though there were plenty of cheap upper bowl seats empty and available, they refused to sell them on fight night. They would only let the walk up crowd purchase seats that cost $600 and up. That tells you they had trouble selling out and wanted to gouge the walk up crowd.

-TV: Showtime is a backwoods operation, always has been. If HBO had this fight it would have done the extra 100,000-150,000 PPV buys they needed to make money, and they would have had close to a sellout for the live gate.
HBO knows how to hype their fights. TV coverage is the most important medium for getting the word out to casual fans.
Hell, I had no clue tickets went on sale until that very day by accident, luckily read it on a message board a few hours before they went on sale, otherwise I would have had no clue to the sale date.

-Tickets: You couldn't buy tickets through ticketmaster, HUGE MISTAKE! tickets could only be purchased through UNLVtickets.com or through Caesars. Ticketmaster is the prime ticket broker in North America, people go to their web site to see what events are going on, this fight wasn't listed there and you couldn't buy tickets for it there.

All of these things factored into this fight not doing as well with the live gate and with the PPV numbers.
Bob Arum has been in this business for years, you would have thought he'd know all these factors would make this fight a more difficult sell than it should have been.

The one thing I can say is that they had one of the best merchandise booths I've ever seen at a fight.
Two different t-shirt designs, two different on-site posters (you never see posters for sale at fight anymore, but they had them), plus the usual hats and programs.

But the promoters of this fight (GSP and Top Rank) blew it in three areas.

-Venue
-TV
-Ticket broker

This thread is turning gay. LOL!

**** off.....

**** off.....You are a Mexican wannabe. Look at your name. You are Persian. Go be yourself. Your Not a Mexican nor Spanish. Go find yourself my boy.

You are a Mexican wannabe. Look at your name. You are Persian. Go be yourself. Your Not a Mexican nor Spanish. Go find yourself my boy.

Do you have 250 million points so I can change my name?

Because I don't.

Do you have 250 million points so I can change my name?

Because I don't.Sorry I don't have that much yet.

Sorry I don't have that much yet.

Ok, please stop calling me that, because I put it there long time ago as a joke. I made a alter ego named El Sureno, everyone liked him, then he was banned..

Then I changed my name to El Sureno lol

I really wanted to change it back a long time ago, but I dont have the points.

Nobody wanna see Castilla cheat, and they wont have a rematch because Castilla won...

Hey, Iwatch, why u always misprouncing Castillo's name to Castilla, u wish he was a female dressed in drag so u can have dreams about him, ur an idiot.

I'm pretty sure that there were only about four of us on the "predict the number of ppv buys" thread that actually came close. I remember Manny P was one of them. I picked 275,000. Some people were predicting as much as 800,000 to a million. No way that was going to happen. As much as it sucks, neither guy is a "name."

And yeah, I'm done with Showtime PPV. They sucked ass.

I'm pretty sure that there were only about four of us on the "predict the number of ppv buys" thread that actually came close. I remember Manny P was one of them. I picked 275,000. Some people were predicting as much as 800,000 to a million. No way that was going to happen. As much as it sucks, neither guy is a "name."

And yeah, I'm done with Showtime PPV. They sucked ass.
Showtime use to show great fights almost every week, until I noticed them cop out for more Castilla/Corrales type brawls, now they barly show anything...

Another example of how most people have LOUSY taste.

This fight had some great word of mouth.....I though it would have sold better.
Perhaps those passing on the good words should have thrown in how Corrales once hit his pregnant wife ? Maybe that would have given it the Tyson-effect ?

It didnt surprise me i was calling bars and sports bars all over my city and none of them were gonna show it.

I didn't order the fight because of pre-fight controversy although I believe it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the fight.

Castillo-Corrales II PPV numbers lower than expected!
By G. Leon

October 12, 2005 - Although the exact number has yet to be released, impeccable sources have informed **********.com that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo Showtime PPV generated 75,000-100,000 homes less than the 350,000 homes Showtime was expecting. There will be much more to follow later today so stay tuned to our front page for all the latest. (11:25 AM EST)

I hate that for both castillo and corrales..regardless, if and when the rubber match takes place, I'm ordering it no matter what. It's amazing that some will pay that huge fee to watch some shot heavy wts hug each other all night but not pay to see the rematch of the best fight in ages :confused:

I hate that for both castillo and corrales..regardless, if and when the rubber match takes place, I'm ordering it no matter what. It's amazing that some will pay that huge fee to watch some shot heavy wts hug each other all night but not pay to see the rematch of the best fight in ages :confused:

becuz they are not widely recognized!!! No one will pay fo fightas nobody knows. LOL!!!!

like I said. Castillo aint PPV worthy!!!!!!!!! LOL!

becuz they are not widely recognized!!! No one will pay fo fightas nobody knows. LOL!!!!

they have no idea how badly theyre screwing themselves then. Just cause it's a name they recognize, dont make it good. Maybe Tysons last "fight" helped them figure that one out.

like I said. Castillo aint PPV worthy!!!!!!!!! LOL!

ahhh come on, it's not like there werent two guys fighting. I know the reason I bought it..for CASTILLO. Other than that, I knew it had great potential cause of the first fight..but JL's name is the ticket seller for me between the two, and I'm definately not the only one.

they have no idea how badly theyre screwing themselves then. Just cause it's a name they recognize, dont make it good. Maybe Tysons last "fight" helped them figure that one out.

they dint actually. Ta PPV was a disappointment wasn't it????


Ta only good thing that happened OCt 8, Showtime PPV was ta reborn of SpongeBobby Pacquiao. It was a good fight and ta right man won!!!!


Bobby......WE ON TA MAP BABY!!!!!!!!!!


Who next? Who next?!!! Who ****IN NEXT?!!!!

they dint actually. Ta PPV was a disappointment wasn't it????


Ta only good thing that happened OCt 8, Showtime PPV was ta reborn of SpongeBobby Pacquiao. It was a good fight and ta right man won!!!!


Bobby......WE ON TA MAP BABY!!!!!!!!!!


Who next? Who next?!!! Who ****IN NEXT?!!!!

speaking of bobby, did you get a chance to watch it yet?

ahhh come on, it's not like there werent two guys fighting. I know the reason I bought it..for CASTILLO. Other than that, I knew it had great potential cause of the first fight..but JL's name is the ticket seller for me between the two, and I'm definately not the only one.

LOL. I doubt Castillo's next fight is PPV. UNLESS HE IS FIGHTIN an HBO fighta THAT IS BIGGA DRAW than him. Ummm say. Cotto. But Cotto would be ta main attraction.

As it stands.... Castillo won a VERRRRY controversial fight in which many people believe he cheated. I doubt he can get a mega PPV fight soon. And like most said, ta 3rd fight (IF THERE WILL BE 1)most probably won't be on PPV again.

speaking of bobby, did you get a chance to watch it yet?

14 times now. and I MUST SAY, WIT ALL HONESTY I can muster....BIASEDNESS THROWIN iT IN TA GARBAGE.....


BOBBY PACQUIAO IMO WON TA FIGHT by a POINT!

I would pay double just to see Castillo knock out another great fighter with that killer left hook... :eek: :boxing:

LOL. I doubt Castillo's next fight is PPV. UNLESS HE IS FIGHTIN an HBO fighta THAT IS BIGGA DRAW than him. Ummm say. Cotto. But Cotto would be ta main attraction.

As it stands.... Castillo won a VERRRRY controversial fight in which many people believe he cheated. I doubt he can get a mega PPV fight soon. And like most said, ta 3rd fight (IF THERE WILL BE 1)most probably won't be on PPV again.

if youre gonna base it on that, then how did diego get a ppv fight (against castillo 2nd time around) when he cheated to get a very controversial win his last fight??

14 times now. and I MUST SAY, WIT ALL HONESTY I can muster....BIASEDNESS THROWIN iT IN TA GARBAGE.....


BOBBY PACQUIAO IMO WON TA FIGHT by a POINT!

props for having it atleast that close.

if youre gonna base it on that, then how did diego get a ppv fight (against castillo 2nd time around) when he cheated to get a very controversial win his last fight??

Diego got PPV fight cuz HE WON!!!! Spectacular may I add by way of surprising comeback. He's been consistent pre Corrales vs Castillo 2 and WAS HIGH ON ERRRBODY' P4P list! He deserved ta PPV fight.

Diego got PPV fight cuz HE WON!!!! Spectacular may I add by way of surprising comeback. He's been consistent pre Corrales vs Castillo 2 and WAS HIGH ON ERRRBODY' P4P list! He deserved ta PPV fight.

Okay, and Castillo won the rematch....looked spectacular doing it. He's fought great opposition pre corrales and I wont take a 'guess' on how many peoples p-4-p list he's on cause I just dont know. So, in other words, I see no difference.

100K PPV buys is disgusting, insulting, and disheartening considering that Roy Jones and Toney Tarver got 405K.

What a ****ing joke!

I hold Jones and Tarver directly responsible, they ripped off fight fans so bad the week before that there was no way most were about to shell out another $50.

Thanks alot Toney and Roy, you both owe Chico and Castillo a couple hundred grand each!
i wanted to get it soo bad but i wasted money on the roy fight and couldn't afford the fight seeing how it was a week after the jones fight...damnit i really missed out too :mad:

i wanted to get it soo bad but i wasted money on the roy fight and couldn't afford the fight seeing how it was a week after the jones fight...damnit i really missed out too :mad:
wow it amazes me how anyone espaecially a fight fan, would choose a paddy cake fight over the other.

Another example of how most people have LOUSY taste.

This fight had some great word of mouth.....I though it would have sold better.
Perhaps those passing on the good words should have thrown in how Corrales once hit his pregnant wife ? Maybe that would have given it the Tyson-effect ?
The rematch happened too soon!!!
In a fight like that, that was so dramatic, people like to sit back and think about it for a while, before wtaching the same fighters do it again...Unlike most people I really wasn't interested in seeing them fight so soon, because in 6 months how could they show anything more than they did the first fight. I believe they needed to fight atleast one other opponent before stepping in teh ring with each other again, so they could improve and have time to practice on what they learned about each other and themselves in that first fight...I would have rather seen them in their with someone else and then face each other again next year around the same time as the first fight, then the **** would have been a highly anticipated rematch, instead of the fiasco that took place last week from the weigh in until corrales got laid out...

wow it amazes me how anyone espaecially a fight fan, would choose a paddy cake fight over the other.
it wasn't me it was my brothers idea so i just pitched in...now im mad and broke! :mad:

The rematch happened too soon!!!
In a fight like that, that was so dramatic, people like to sit back and think about it for a while, before wtaching the same fighters do it again...Unlike most people I really wasn't interested in seeing them fight so soon, because in 6 months how could they show anything more than they did the first fight. I believe they needed to fight atleast one other opponent before stepping in teh ring with each other again, so they could improve and have time to practice on what they learned about each other and themselves in that first fight...I would have rather seen them in their with someone else and then face each other again next year around the same time as the first fight, then the **** would have been a highly anticipated rematch, instead of the fiasco that took place last week from the weigh in until corrales got laid out...

Karma for that. I agree completely. If they are going to do it again, they need to fight another guy or two between now and then.

Hopefully the numbers are better than what is expected now. Both fighters deserve to be house hold names. Its funny HBO PPV's always do better than showtime PPV's no matter how crapy the card is.

Hopefully the numbers are better than what is expected now. Both fighters deserve to be house hold names. Its funny HBO PPV's always do better than showtime PPV's no matter how crapy the card is.

it's no secret really.

HBO PPV got betta presentation, betta commentator, betta way of promoting fights!!!!

Show PPV seems like they need quick cash to pay of their debts. LOL!!!!!!

Plain and simple, HBO has better fighters..

Okay, and Castillo won the rematch....looked spectacular doing it. He's fought great opposition pre corrales and I wont take a 'guess' on how many peoples p-4-p list he's on cause I just dont know. So, in other words, I see no difference.

Also, Castillo cheated in the rematch.

Also, Castillo cheated in the rematch.

Lol, that particular quote was in response to an ongoing debate over it being implied that it's all Castillo's fault the ppv sales didnt do better, and about somehow diego deserved a ppv fight while jl didnt :confused:
Either way, I dont consider it cheating because not making wt. is nothing new to the sport, and it had nothing to do with the win since diego still outweighed castillo come fight time.
The whole mess is a classic double standard, and if they were to fight again diego would still lose. He only won the first fight cause he actually DID cheat.