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hectari 10-09-2005, 10:16 PM This is the best product in my opinion it taste good and its better then BSN no-xplode which only gives you a temparary affects then after a while it doesnt work.
Syntrac Swole v2 I used to 5 months ago for 2 months and put on 15 pounds.I was 135 pounds when I first started and went all the way up to 165 pounds buff, when I stopped lifting weights though I went down to 150 thats my weight now.
Also what is good about this product is it doesnt contain creatine! it is a nice alternative for non responders people who do not respond to creatine.
Plus it is not water retention most of the gains are solid!
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hectari 10-09-2005, 10:39 PM Improved Muscle Volumizing System
Are you one of the misfortunate creatine non-responders? Would you like significantly greater results from your muscle volumizing product? Meet SWOLE!
SWOLE is designed to work for everyone, radically increasing size and strength while noticeably enhancing recovery and performance. Tired of creatine? SWOLE is better than creatine... it's beyond creatine.
INGREDIENTS THAT WORK!
The premise behind this latest innovation in muscle volumizing technology is based on the potent anabolic, cell-volumizing effects of a compound called Glycocyamine. This new breakthrough compound has been scientifically shown to increase the body's production and storage of muscle volumizing, high-energy phosphate compounds. SWOLE's concentrated matrix also includes Dimethylglycine for its intense ability to improve oxygen utilization, maintain high energy levels and boost mental acuity. To kick it up a notch, we've incorporated Tricreatine Citrate which is the most bioavailable and soluble form of creatine. Tricreatine Citrate allows for maximum absorption of creatine through a pH-balanced delivery system and does not have the side effects of creatine monohydrate such as stomach bloat and discomfort. Last but not least, while developing SWOLE's state of the art formula, we stumbled upon the truly novel compound Glucuronolactone which is one of the best endurance and energy-producing compounds we've ever seen. In vertebrate studies not only does it dramatically reduce fatigue but it even prevents insulin-stimulated adipose storage.
Syntrax Innovations is so confident in the result-producing effects of SWOLE that we guarantee you will be absolutely thrilled with both the results and taste.
Product Highlights
* Most Potent Muscle Volumizing System!
* Powerful Fatigue Reducing Glucuronolactone!
* Results and Flavor Guaranteed!
* Dramatic Increase In Strength!
* Increased Muscle Mass!
* Mind Blowing Pumps!
* Zero Sugar!
* GUARANTEED!
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: ~9 grams
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
2CM Dicreatine Malate 3 g
Betapure Betaine Anhydrous 2 g
Taurine 2 g
Enduriac Glucuronolactone 1 g
Glycovol Glycocyamine 500 mg
Guanipro Guanidinopropionic Acid 500 mg
*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
Ingredients:
Natural and Artificial Flavors, Aspartame, Acesulfame-K, Red Cabbage Extract Powder.
Recommended Use:
Take one level scoop in 16 oz. of water twice daily, preferably 8-12 hours apart WITH FOOD. SwoleV.2 can be combined with other Syntrax products for increased athletic performance.
Warning:
Use only under the advice of your physician if you are pregnant or nursing a baby, taking prescription medication or have diabetes or another medical condition. Keep out of the reach of children.
Before beginning any program of weight loss, consult your health care practitioner. These statements have not been evaluted by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
PHENYLKETONURICS: Contains Phenylalanine.
SalvaDominicano 10-10-2005, 03:32 AM aspartame and taurine are so bad for u.. u will die if u continue taking that.
Hunna 10-10-2005, 10:15 AM serious! in that case ill die soon! just joking. neva touched the shit.
what is taurine and aspartme? what does it do?
hectari are u getting paid for this thread?
hectari 10-10-2005, 01:11 PM aspartame and taurine are so bad for u.. u will die if u continue taking that.
Hahaah are you serious man? I only took it for like 2 months! if you will die then why do they sell it?
please man give me a link that says that? scaring me dog cause I just ordred another round of it.
hectari 10-10-2005, 01:12 PM serious! in that case ill die soon! just joking. neva touched the shit.
what is taurine and aspartme? what does it do?
hectari are u getting paid for this thread?
hahaah no! I wish though. That shit really works like I said go do a search on bodybuilding websites in their forums about swole v2.
Rampage* 10-10-2005, 03:40 PM http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=295naked2
Dude that shit got dangerous substances in it. (Read Below)
Swole V2 contains Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA) and Glycocyamine (G-amine). V12 has G-amine in it, but no GPA.
Here's an article excerpt by David J. Barr on the effects of these chemicals.
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Dangerous Creatine?
No, this isn’t the tagline for a new type of creatine, it means that there’s a semi-popular creatine-like product on the market that may actually be harmful to your health. What’s worse is that there are now several copycat products on the market as well! As if that wasn’t bad enough, one of the potentially dangerous compounds (oh yes, there’s more than one!) that this product contains is ergolytic; i.e. something that decreases athletic performance.
This potentially dangerous ergolytic chemical is Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA), which binds the creatine transporter and plugs it up so creatine can’t be transported into various tissues (similar to the concept of tamoxifen blocking the estrogen receptor, not allowing estrogen to bind). This is a problem, because most of our tissues can’t make creatine so it has to be transported in, and blocked transporters means a reduction in cellular creatine levels.
Bear in mind that creatine isn’t just a supplement, it’s a naturally occurring substance in our bodies that we need to survive! You know the impact of having 20% more creatine, now imagine having 80% less creatine! GPA induced creatine depletion can not only reduce muscle strength after a mere seven days of consumption (Gagnon et al., 2002), but has also been shown to convert fast-twitch muscle to slow-twitch (Ren et al., 1995)! So this substance might make you weaker and slower!
While these consequences should be enough to make you avoid supplements containing this chemical, there’s also a potentially dangerous side to consider: both our hearts and our brains have creatine transporters!!! Any time you start to mess around with our two most vital organs, it can’t be good. Fortunately, the brain seems to temporarily compensate for decreases in energy supply caused by GPA (O'Gorman et al., 1996), but do we really want our bodies to have to adapt to reduced energy levels? Of course not!
We also don’t want our hearts to be affected by GPA supplementation, but they are! In fact, 3 different studies showed that creatine levels in the heart dropped by 80-87% with GPA consumption in rats (Boehm et al., 2003, Neubauer et al., 1999; Horn et al., 2001). Now you can see why it’s nearly impossible to perform human studies using this substance! Clearly, you have to wonder what the manufacturers were thinking when they approved production of this supplement.
"But wait, there’s MORE! Order now and you’ll get another potentially dangerous ingredient for free!" One particular supplement ("SWOLE") combines GPA with another potentially dangerous substance known as Glycocyamine (G-amine). Sadly, G-amine (also known as guanidinoacetate) has been picked up by a few different supplement companies who obviously don’t do any research on what they’re getting people to ingest.
The reason G-amine is so popular (from a marketing standpoint, not from the consumers’) is because it is the precursor to creatine. Just like Testosterone can come from andro, creatine comes from G-amine. The theory is that you jack up G-amine levels and you get a whole bunch more creatine. The really asinine part is that, you can just directly take creatine!
We can’t take Testosterone due to legal reasons, so we have to find other ways to increase its levels—enter prohormones (among other effective things). But for our purposes, there’s no reason to worry about creatine precursors because we can just take the substance directly. The whole precursor concept is really hot when it comes to marketing to laymen, which is where this supplement takes off.
Unfortunately, consuming this chemical seems to have the undesirable effect of elevating blood levels of a substance called homocysteine, which is a very strong risk factor for cardiovascular disease (Stead et al., 2001). Cardiovascular disease is easily the number one killer in the Western World, and the last thing we need to do is increase our risk for it. Conversely, taking creatine decreases homocysteine levels, raising even more therapeutic possibilities for this supplement. As if to spit on your grave, if you’re supplementing with creatine, G-amine may also decrease its uptake by muscles (Zugno et al., 2003).
Sadly, the FDA has already spoken to the company that produces this "combo of harm," because another of its supplements caused liver damage… you’d think that they would have learned. Unfortunately, these substances aren’t just isolated to a single product—they’re popping up in all kinds of different supplements (including some protein powders)! It’s my opinion that products containing either of these substances should be pulled off the market and the formulas changed, but the FDA can’t do anything until harm has already been done. This means that it’s up to us to spread the word about these substances. Most importantly, before you supplement with something, do your research and KNOW WHAT YOU’RE CONSUMING!
hectari 10-10-2005, 03:56 PM http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=295naked2
Dude that shit got dangerous substances in it. (Read Below)
Swole V2 contains Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA) and Glycocyamine (G-amine). V12 has G-amine in it, but no GPA.
Here's an article excerpt by David J. Barr on the effects of these chemicals.
***************************************
Dangerous Creatine?
No, this isn’t the tagline for a new type of creatine, it means that there’s a semi-popular creatine-like product on the market that may actually be harmful to your health. What’s worse is that there are now several copycat products on the market as well! As if that wasn’t bad enough, one of the potentially dangerous compounds (oh yes, there’s more than one!) that this product contains is ergolytic; i.e. something that decreases athletic performance.
This potentially dangerous ergolytic chemical is Guanidinopropionic Acid (GPA), which binds the creatine transporter and plugs it up so creatine can’t be transported into various tissues (similar to the concept of tamoxifen blocking the estrogen receptor, not allowing estrogen to bind). This is a problem, because most of our tissues can’t make creatine so it has to be transported in, and blocked transporters means a reduction in cellular creatine levels.
Bear in mind that creatine isn’t just a supplement, it’s a naturally occurring substance in our bodies that we need to survive! You know the impact of having 20% more creatine, now imagine having 80% less creatine! GPA induced creatine depletion can not only reduce muscle strength after a mere seven days of consumption (Gagnon et al., 2002), but has also been shown to convert fast-twitch muscle to slow-twitch (Ren et al., 1995)! So this substance might make you weaker and slower!
While these consequences should be enough to make you avoid supplements containing this chemical, there’s also a potentially dangerous side to consider: both our hearts and our brains have creatine transporters!!! Any time you start to mess around with our two most vital organs, it can’t be good. Fortunately, the brain seems to temporarily compensate for decreases in energy supply caused by GPA (O'Gorman et al., 1996), but do we really want our bodies to have to adapt to reduced energy levels? Of course not!
We also don’t want our hearts to be affected by GPA supplementation, but they are! In fact, 3 different studies showed that creatine levels in the heart dropped by 80-87% with GPA consumption in rats (Boehm et al., 2003, Neubauer et al., 1999; Horn et al., 2001). Now you can see why it’s nearly impossible to perform human studies using this substance! Clearly, you have to wonder what the manufacturers were thinking when they approved production of this supplement.
"But wait, there’s MORE! Order now and you’ll get another potentially dangerous ingredient for free!" One particular supplement ("SWOLE") combines GPA with another potentially dangerous substance known as Glycocyamine (G-amine). Sadly, G-amine (also known as guanidinoacetate) has been picked up by a few different supplement companies who obviously don’t do any research on what they’re getting people to ingest.
The reason G-amine is so popular (from a marketing standpoint, not from the consumers’) is because it is the precursor to creatine. Just like Testosterone can come from andro, creatine comes from G-amine. The theory is that you jack up G-amine levels and you get a whole bunch more creatine. The really asinine part is that, you can just directly take creatine!
We can’t take Testosterone due to legal reasons, so we have to find other ways to increase its levels—enter prohormones (among other effective things). But for our purposes, there’s no reason to worry about creatine precursors because we can just take the substance directly. The whole precursor concept is really hot when it comes to marketing to laymen, which is where this supplement takes off.
Unfortunately, consuming this chemical seems to have the undesirable effect of elevating blood levels of a substance called homocysteine, which is a very strong risk factor for cardiovascular disease (Stead et al., 2001). Cardiovascular disease is easily the number one killer in the Western World, and the last thing we need to do is increase our risk for it. Conversely, taking creatine decreases homocysteine levels, raising even more therapeutic possibilities for this supplement. As if to spit on your grave, if you’re supplementing with creatine, G-amine may also decrease its uptake by muscles (Zugno et al., 2003).
Sadly, the FDA has already spoken to the company that produces this "combo of harm," because another of its supplements caused liver damage… you’d think that they would have learned. Unfortunately, these substances aren’t just isolated to a single product—they’re popping up in all kinds of different supplements (including some protein powders)! It’s my opinion that products containing either of these substances should be pulled off the market and the formulas changed, but the FDA can’t do anything until harm has already been done. This means that it’s up to us to spread the word about these substances. Most importantly, before you supplement with something, do your research and KNOW WHAT YOU’RE CONSUMING!
oh shit **** man! do you think they will let me return this product since its a holliday today? If I email the store online that I ordered from you think they would give me a refund or let me order some creatine ester instead?
Rampage* 10-10-2005, 04:12 PM oh shit **** man! do you think they will let me return this product since its a holliday today? If I email the store online that I ordered from you think they would give me a refund or let me order some creatine ester instead?
I hope so man.. But if not I wouldn't risk taking any.
hectari 10-10-2005, 04:29 PM I hope so man.. But if not I wouldn't risk taking any.
you got aol man? So I can ask you a few questions?
Rampage* 10-10-2005, 05:45 PM No, I don't use AOL.
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