the boriquas or the britts are gona use wen castill tears up cotto and hatton? lol
4reals tho
but does everyone use excuses for everythig? cmon bottom line he got poped.

the boriquas or the britts are gona use wen castill tears up cotto and hatton? lol
4reals tho
but does everyone use excuses for everythig? cmon bottom line he got poped.
I don't think Castillo beating a lightweight Corrales is good ground to base what would happen should Castillo get in the ring with Hatton.

Hatton is a whole different ball game.

Your overrating Hatton a little. Castillo si a amazinf inside fighter. Would probably htr Hatton badly and TKO him. I think it would be a great fight for Castillo to take and Cotto chin wouldnt stand up to Castilo..PBF at 140 vs Castillo is what i wanna see.

Your overrating Hatton a little. Castillo si a amazinf inside fighter. Would probably htr Hatton badly and TKO him. I think it would be a great fight for Castillo to take and Cotto chin wouldnt stand up to Castilo..PBF at 140 vs Castillo is what i wanna see.
Your overrating Castillo, Casamayor outboxed him and made him look adverage..if Cotto uses his skill he'll do the same but KO him in the 6th or 7th.. and if he faces Hatton it'll be another TKO loss on his record to go with the five other ones...

Your overrating Hatton a little. Castillo si a amazinf inside fighter. Would probably htr Hatton badly and TKO him. I think it would be a great fight for Castillo to take and Cotto chin wouldnt stand up to Castilo..PBF at 140 vs Castillo is what i wanna see.
I think Hatton beating Kostya Tszyu into submission and winning a 12th round TKO is a harder feat than anything Castillo will bring to the table.

I think Hatton beating Kostya Tszyu into submission and winning a 12th round TKO is a harder feat than anything Castillo will bring to the table.

Very true, good point!

Your overrating Castillo, Casamayor outboxed him and made him look adverage..if Cotto uses his skill he'll do the same but KO him in the 6th or 7th.. and if he faces Hatton it'll be another TKO loss on his record to go with the five other ones...

You simply will not accept the fact that Four of his five T.K.O. losses were the result of a cut above his eye.

Hatton doesnt have the power to even earn the slightest bit of Castillo's respect.

Nor does Cotto.

Castillo T.K.O. Cotto and Hatton easily.

Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.

Hatton's real test to me would be castillo not tszyu. Castillo would easily be Hatton's toughest fight to date. The fight with Tsyzu was a hugging and rough housing contest. Castillo knows how to rough house with the best he wont shy away at a couple of low blows or shots in the back of the head... he knows the deal.. elbow for elbow etc.

If Hatton beats castillo that would be the ultimate proof that Hatton is the real deal imo.

I dont think that would happen though I think hatton looks horrible against castillo.

Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.
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Yep. Castillo is simply a better professional fighter than Kostya Tszyu. He has a better resume, is easily more skilled, but does not have the fame because of a lucky punch over Zab Judah.

Hatton/Castillo is even money in my book. Both guys fight very similar fights. Its really a matter of who the better man is that night.

As hard as it is for me to say it, I think Castillo would stop Cotto late, after a big time slugfest.

I can't believe everyones overhyping Castillo. Hatton is a whole different fight then fighting Corrales. Hatton is better then Corrales in every single way, and a better inside fighter then Castillo. All the guys that are saying Hatton is an unskilled brawler have only seen the Tszyu fight.

Hatton's strategy was to go out, work the body and close the distance then clinch up to sap KT's energy. It worked well because KT was getting old and a little past his prime (He was still a good fighter though).

I can't believe everyones overhyping Castillo. Hatton is a whole different fight then fighting Corrales. Hatton is better then Corrales in every single way, and a better inside fighter then Castillo. All the guys that are saying Hatton is an unskilled brawler have only seen the Tszyu fight.

Hatton's strategy was to go out, work the body and close the distance then clinch up to sap KT's energy. It worked well because KT was getting old and a little past his prime (He was still a good fighter though).

Name some noteworthy opponents Ricky Hatton has beat.

He beat Tszyu a HOFer, and that deserves some credibility. He hasn't even tasted loss yet so we'll see. I think he'll make quick work of Maussa, and then ideally he'll go for floyd.

Even KT would beat Castillo, movement is not Castillos best friend, if a boxer doesnt stand around for Castillo to knock him out (ala Corrales), than Castillos inside fighting does not mean anything..and no, KT is wayy better than Castillo

He beat Tszyu a HOFer, and that deserves some credibility.

That is about it. Here I'll help you out.

Vince Phillips
Ray Olivera
Ben Tackie
Eamon Magee

Even at that...the level of fighters he has been facing is weak to say the least. He fought his first 5 fights in the U.S.A. with real fighters....then has not fought here since.

Castillo on the other hand has faced a whole different level of opposition and holds wins over these fighters:

Steve Quinonez
Stevie Johnston
Cezar Bazan
Floyd Mayweather Jr (I still maintain he was robbed)
Juan Lazcano
Joel Casamayor
Diego Corrales
Julio Diaz

Sturdy list of fighters to say the least. Arguably the best list of wins you will find in boxing outside of the person he was robbed against.

As hard as it is for me to say it, I think Castillo would stop Cotto late, after a big time slugfest.

Even a big time Cotto fan admits he would lose that fight.

Enough said.

Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.
I have to disagree with this completely!

Castillo is nowhere near Kostya Tszyu skillwise or experience wise (He might be a little tougher I'll give you that).

Kostya Tszyu has dominated the light-welterweight division for YEARS! He unifyied the division and beat some excellent fighters in devistating fashion along the way.

In short, Kostya Tszyu is in the list of being one of the greatest fighters of the last 20yrs.

Castillo is a good fighter, but that's all. He's nowhere near Kostya Tszyu in terms of skill, and experience: Kostya Tszyu won the IBF belt in his 14th fight and went on to defend it (whilst collecting others along the way) all around the World for the best part of a decade.

Castillo has never acheived anything near this level of success... In fact most of his biggest fights (Mayweather twice and Corrales 1) he actually lost them.

I know Castillo is the flavour of the month at the moment, but lets not get too carried away.

There are even other active Mexican fighters at the moment that are ranked higher and acheived more than him.

yeah, hatton beat tough guys. I'll be the first to admit that Hatton doesn't have a good resume, but as you can see most british fighters don't. I've seen about 5 fights of Hatton and he's world-class. He's definetly going to give Floyd fits when they fight (I KNOW this fight will happen).

Like I said I've seen Hatton fight many times, only thing i have to knock him for is he won't fight real fighters in the USA. I truly think his time will come though...

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KT
Vince Phillips
Ray Olivera
Ben Tackie
Eamon Magee

Steve Quinonez?
Stevie Johnston?
Cezar Bazan Cotto KO 2
Floyd Mayweather Jr lost
Juan Lazcano hmmm
Joel Casamayor lost and robbed him
Diego Corrales lost and cheated
Julio Diaz hmmm

Overall Hatton has done better since Castillo is ending his career and hasnt cerditly beaten anybody yet...Hatton still has time to prove himself and he has about half the fights Castillo has..

I know Castillo is the flavour of the month at the moment, but lets not get too carried away.
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Just to let you know.

Ultimate and I have been Castillo fans for the longest time now.

Just to let you know.

Ultimate and I have been Castillo fans for the longest time now.
I'm not saying that Castillo is **** or anything, he's not... He's a good solid pro.

But I just can't get my head around:


Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.
After everything that Kostya Tszyu has achieved in boxing. :eek:

KT is the man. Anyone trying to undermine his accomplishments should go to hell. He is a first ballot HOFer and one of the best jr. welterweights ever imo.

I'm not saying that Castillo is **** or anything, he's not... He's a good solid pro.

But I just can't get my head around:


After everything that Kostya Tszyu has achieved in boxing. :eek:

What is so hard to understand? Kostya has beaten these noteworthy opponents:

Sharmbra Mitchell

Jesse James Leija---(Leija could not have been more blown/washed up)

Zab Judah---(Lucky punch at best)

Miguel Angel Gonzales

Diobelys Hurtado

Hugo Pineda

Ben Tackie

And that is it. I think that list is decent...but not as impressive as Castillo.

You forgot Miguel Gonzalez, Julio Cesar Chavez, Vince Phillips, and Roger Mayweather.

You forgot Ben Tackie, Julio Cesar Chavez, Vince Phillips...

He lost to Vince Phillips by stoppage.....and never rematched him.

Chavez was in his mid eighties

Oh I thought you said he fought those guys. My mistake.

KT defended his belts for 18 defenses, thats two less than Bernard Hopkins, not to mention he was in his actual weight, or close to it, unlike Castillo.

I have to disagree with this completely!

Castillo is nowhere near Kostya Tszyu skillwise or experience wise (He might be a little tougher I'll give you that).

Kostya Tszyu has dominated the light-welterweight division for YEARS! He unifyied the division and beat some excellent fighters in devistating fashion along the way.

In short, Kostya Tszyu is in the list of being one of the greatest fighters of the last 20yrs.

Castillo is a good fighter, but that's all. He's nowhere near Kostya Tszyu in terms of skill, and experience: Kostya Tszyu won the IBF belt in his 14th fight and went on to defend it (whilst collecting others along the way) all around the World for the best part of a decade.

Castillo has never acheived anything near this level of success... In fact most of his biggest fights (Mayweather twice and Corrales 1) he actually lost them.

I know Castillo is the flavour of the month at the moment, but lets not get too carried away.

There are even other active Mexican fighters at the moment that are ranked higher and acheived more than him.

I respect your opinion cus ur a cool cat however,

Saying tsyzu dominated and ruled for a long time is far far away from the truth.

Yeah he won the IBF title from a nobody. He would then go on to beat yet have a lot of trouble against a super old and spent roger mayweather. Then he would get stopped against Vince Phillips who took his belt. He would then have a good run at coulda beens that never were like Rafael Ruelas, hurtado etc. And beat Miguel Angel Gonzalez who could not even beat a old spent chavez. Then he would go and beat an even more spent chavez.

The only guy that really was anything at the time he fought him and is anything right now that he beat was Zab Judah. It was always a tournament of named fighters with tzyu.

Leija
Chavez
Mayweather
Gonzalez
Ruelas

All of them were just big names but they were no longer threats. Like i said the only real threat he faced was Judah and that was in 2001! And Judah was an inexperienced, ****y, prospect at the time.

So... his coming out fight was in 2001. He fought 4 guys since, beat 2 small guys (tackie and Leija) beat One frightened fighter (mitchell). And lost to Hatton who also looked bad against tackie, and had faced relative unknowns.

Ruled or dominated definitely isnt the word.

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Jose Luis Castillo on the otherhand.

Around the same time

He would start in 2001 by giving a beating to and knock out a Prime Cesar Bazan. And he would do it only in 6 rounds. Then he would put his title on the line agaisnt mayweather JR in which many believe he got robbed. Mayweather is the #1 p4p fighter int he world today and the man to beat 140 btw. He would later loose to Mayweather in a rematch but still give him hell. People would right him off, and then he would pull out the upset against Juan Lazcano in a bloddy brutal in which the blood was Mostly lazcano's the avoided man of 135 lbs. He would then beat Joel Casamayor in a close fight with Joel fading out at the end due to body work. Then he would brutalize IBF champ Julio Diaz. Then treat us to back to back fights against Corrales where dished out as good as he got in the first and stopped him in the second.

Castillo has faced the better level of opposition at ring time over and over than tszyu ever did.

I respect your opinion cus ur a cool cat however,

Saying tsyzu dominated and ruled for a long time is far far away from the truth.

Yeah he won the IBF title from a nobody. He would then go on to beat yet have a lot of trouble against a super old and spent roger mayweather. Then he would get stopped against Vince Phillips who took his belt. He would then have a good run at coulda beens that never were like Rafael Ruelas, hurtado etc. And beat Miguel Angel Gonzalez who could not even beat a old spent chavez. Then he would go and beat an even more spent chavez.

The only guy that really was anything at the time he fought him and is anything right now that he beat was Zab Judah. It was always a tournament of named fighters with tzyu.

Leija
Chavez
Mayweather
Gonzalez
Ruelas

All of them were just big names but they were no longer threats. Like i said the only real threat he faced was Judah and that was in 2001! And Judah was an inexperienced, ****y, prospect at the time.

So... his coming out fight was in 2001. He fought 4 guys since, beat 2 small guys (tackie and Leija) beat One frightened fighter (mitchell). And lost to Hatton who also looked bad against tackie, and had faced relative unknowns.

Ruled or dominated definitely isnt the word.

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Jose Luis Castillo on the otherhand.

Around the same time

He would start in 2001 by giving a beating to and knock out a Prime Cesar Bazan. And he would do it only in 6 rounds. Then he would put his title on the line agaisnt mayweather JR in which many believe he got robbed. Mayweather is the #1 p4p fighter int he world today and the man to beat 140 btw. He would later loose to Mayweather in a rematch but still give him hell. People would right him off, and then he would pull out the upset against Juan Lazcano in a bloddy brutal in which the blood was Mostly lazcano's the avoided man of 135 lbs. He would then beat Joel Casamayor in a close fight with Joel fading out at the end due to body work. Then he would brutalize IBF champ Julio Diaz. Then treat us to back to back fights against Corrales where dished out as good as he got in the first and stopped him in the second.

Castillo has faced the better level of opposition at ring time over and over than tszyu ever did.
Don't worry fella, it'd be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything. :cool:

I don't think you can say that fighters like Oktay Urkal, Sharmba Mitchell, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Diosbelys Hurtado, Ben Tackie, Jesse James Leija, are no good... And in the same breath talk about fighters like Cesar Bazan, Juan Lazcano, Julio Diaz as if they're P4P World beaters.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree... The way I see it, Kostya Tszyu has defended his belts against the best available opponents for nearly a decade but not only that, he beat them in devistating fashion. He unified the division. Castillo has never done this and probably never will.

But back to the original post:


Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.
I just don't agree with that at all... Tszyu is such a sweet boxer, and he can do it all. He can fight at different paces, he can play the counter punching game or he can go to war.

Castillo (Although being an excellent fighter) is a little too one dimensional. I don't think he has the full arsenal in the same way as Kostya Tszyu.

Hatton has much much better defence than Castillo. Both have good stamina but Hatton's is a little better. I dont know about punching power, maybe Castillo has a bit more pop. I would say Hatton is faster and Castillo has no experience yet at 140. He might be better at 140 not having to kill himself so much to make weight but you never know. The main factor though is Hatton's defence is so much better than Castillo's.

Castillo has no experience yet at 140.

Castillo has four fights at Junior Welterweight.

Scratch that.

Eight fights at 140 and above.

Hey "Top Knowledge". I will not undermine KT's career because he was a true champ, but the only reason you are getting into this arguments is because your boy beat him. And we can all see that plain and simple.

Now Castillo is knocking at the door and your boy will sooner or later have to open it if he wants some real respect from American fans, but if he wants to just fight the Maussas of the sport and be happy with his european fan base thats cool too, he gets all my respect, just don't compare him to somebody that has been fighting the best in his division (and beating them) thruout his career.

Again I'm not comparing KT's career, his place in the HOF is secured, but Hatton's is not and if you think that a win over KT will get him there, you better change your nickname to "half ass knowledge" or something like that.

Hatton has much much better defence than Castillo. Both have good stamina but Hatton's is a little better. I dont know about punching power, maybe Castillo has a bit more pop. I would say Hatton is faster and Castillo has no experience yet at 140. He might be better at 140 not having to kill himself so much to make weight but you never know. The main factor though is Hatton's defence is so much better than Castillo's.


I think both of these are false statements. Castillo actually does a pretty good job of taking punches on his gloves...he also moves his head on the inside just slightly enough to lessen some power punches.

Hatton will whomp that maphockin cheater!!!!!!

1. Hatton got a chin! He took Tszyu's punches very well.
2. Castillo wants to fight inside, well I got news fo that fat pig. HATTON MIGHt BE BETTA THAN HIM on ta inside. Jest weird angles thorwin punches of all kinds. double jab, 3ple hooks, 2 uppacuts, i hook to ta belly, you name it!! Hatton will confuse ta fat pig.
3. Hatton by TKO!!!

Castillo has four fights at Junior Welterweight.

Scratch that.

Eight fights at 140 and above.
So why was he at Super Featherweight, or even lower?

So why was he at Super Featherweight, or even lower?

Because that is where he started his career.

Because that is where he started his career.
But why is a guy walking around 160 pounds at 130 or lower?

But why is a guy walking around 160 pounds at 130 or lower?

Why did Cotto weight 20 pounds more than Corley when they fought?

But why is a guy walking around 160 pounds at 130 or lower?


cuz he a cheater who picks on lil guys.

Why did Cotto weight 20 pounds more than Corley when they fought?
135 is Lightweight, below that is for midgets, Cottos at 140, thats probaly 20 to 30 pounds from his natural weight, add Castillo and Corrales - to that, its almost 50 or 60 pounds to fight at a midget weight...

135 is Lightweight, below that is for midgets, Cottos at 140, thats probaly 20 to 30 pounds from his natural weight, add Castillo and Corrales - to that, its almost 50 or 60 pounds to fight at a midget weight...

When Cotto walks around at 170? and fights at 140?

Cotto is as guilty as Castillo is and in my opinion neither one of them are "guilty".

And Castillo started fighting when he was a child. He grew and filled out in his frame.

When Cotto walks around at 170? and fights at 140?

Cotto is as guilty as Castillo is and in my opinion neither one of them are "guilty".
Cottos fighting at a full weight for normal sized human beings, being a Featherweight is not the same as being a Lightweight...atleast hes in a mans divsion...

Cottos fighting at a full weight for normal sized human beings, being a Featherweight is not the same as being a Lightweight...atleast hes in a mans divsion...

Case and Point.

Castillo was not a man when he started fighting in the professional ranks......he was 17.

You dont stop growing untill you are in your mid twenties. Which is around the time he moved up in weight.

Case and Point.

Castillo was not a man when he started fighting in the professional ranks......he was 17.

You dont stop growing untill you are in your mid twenties. Which is around the time he moved up in weight.

YAY! There's still hope for my woody.

Case and Point.

Castillo was not a man when he started fighting in the professional ranks......he was 17.

You dont stop growing untill you are in your mid twenties. Which is around the time he moved up in weight.
Castillo also kisses tranny's. Who's the real man now? :)

Cottos fighting at a full weight for normal sized human beings, being a Featherweight is not the same as being a Lightweight...atleast hes in a mans divsion...
Wilfredo Gomes and Juan Laporte did not fight in mans divisions?

Wilfredo Gomes and Juan Laporte did not fight in mans divisions?
They were the size of Hamed and Barrera, have you ever seen that picture of Hammed next to Trinidad :eek: !

Case and Point.

Castillo was not a man when he started fighting in the professional ranks......he was 17.

You dont stop growing untill you are in your mid twenties. Which is around the time he moved up in weight.
Guys 31 now, when is he gonna grow up?

Guys 31 now, when is he gonna grow up?

What is your point?

He fights at 135.....Cotto fights at 140.

There is virtually no difference.

Another thing, anyone ever notice that Gomez/Sanchez picture were they are facing off behind Don King? You cant tell me that Sanchez didnt look like a scarecrow next to Gomez, his arms looked almost twice the reach as Gomez's...

What is your point?

He fights at 135.....Cotto fights at 140.

There is virtually no difference.
The difference is that Cotto's body looks bigger/stronger and he walks around bigger.

The difference is that Cotto's body looks bigger/stronger and he walks around bigger.

Castillo was around 154 come fight time, and Cotto is usually 155-160, so there is pretty much NO difference.

Castillo was around 154 come fight time, and Cotto is usually 155-160, so there is pretty much NO difference.
Except that Cotto started at 140, and Castillo started at 125...

it doesn't matter it's where there fighting at NOW.

quit defending your rican boy cotto. He's JUST as bad as Castillo. Cotto usually outweighs his opponents by 20 pounds, and with Castillo this was a one time thing not making weight.

it doesn't matter it's where there fighting at NOW.

quit defending your rican boy cotto. He's JUST as bad as Castillo. Cotto usually outweighs his opponents by 20 pounds, and with Castillo this was a one time thing not making weight.
Yeah, but your not getting whast I'm saying, think, use your head, it'd be like Cotto fighting at 125, is any of this getting through to you?

In case you forgot, Castillo and Corrales fought at 147 a CATCHWEIGHT. Is that 135.

In case you forgot, Castillo and Corrales fought at 147 a CATCHWEIGHT. Is that 135.
Yeah a catch weight that devolped in one single day, wtf...Cotto/Corley wasnt moved to 154 or whatever, two divsions up at the weigh in...after the weigh in they blow up, and the guy was already 140 in the first weigh in...so after he weighed in he poblay blew up to 154 or something. Not only that but Corrales had to follow because Castillas **** up..

135 is Lightweight, below that is for midgets, Cottos at 140, thats probaly 20 to 30 pounds from his natural weight, add Castillo and Corrales - to that, its almost 50 or 60 pounds to fight at a midget weight...

Hey meng..

Not hatin or nothin...

but if anyone under 135 is a midget..

I guess Gomez, Cotto(miguels brother), Calderon are all midgets?

Hey meng..

Not hatin or nothin...

but if anyone under 135 is a midget..

I guess Gomez, Cotto(miguels brother), Calderon are all midgets?
Calderons 5 feet, and hes at the lowest weight possible, I'd think when you consider that he is 30 years old, he'd be considered a midget... :D