Anyone know?

Sanders, Brewster, or Whitaker?

Someone with Pillow Hands

Sanders, Brewster, or Whitaker?


again i ask, how do you have so many points and so much karma when you only have a few posts?????

He said that he wouldn't be able to fight again until March at the earliest. Brewster seems to be off the table. So I would have to go with any fighter that is ranked above him the in IBF rankings just like TOS was.

Wlad should face a defenseless guy, with no chin & less stamina.

Wlad will hit him & KO him immediately....which is the ONLY way Wlad is guaranteed victory.

again i ask, how do you have so many points and so much karma when you only have a few posts?????



because the posts are good?

Wlad should face a defenseless guy, with no chin & less stamina.

Wlad will hit him & KO him immediately....which is the ONLY way Wlad is guaranteed victory.


I agree, he should fight James Toney :D

Toney KO4 Wlad.

Wlad KO2 Toney

Toney KO4 Wlad.


Are you serious? If so, let's bet. :D

Wlad W12 or TK010 Toney.

again i ask, how do you have so many points and so much karma when you only have a few posts?????

....I hit him with good K for being a Klitschko fan and it gives over a million points and a big blue line. :)

Are you serious? If so, let's bet. :D

Wlad W12 or TK010 Toney.

I'd take that bet.

I don't believe it's a fight that would ever happen, however.

I'd take that bet.

I don't believe it's a fight that would ever happen, however.


I agree. Let's bet if it comes up.

I'd take that bet.

I don't believe it's a fight that would ever happen, however.

....I will take that bet too. If you think Toney stands a chance in that fight your frickin out of your mind.

How about fighting Whitaker as a WBO title eliminator match.

Retirement, either by him retiring from boxing period or him retiring to the canvas for a 10 count after being hit with an arm punch (most likley a pawing jab).

I'd take that bet.

I don't believe it's a fight that would ever happen, however.

That's because Toney is too busy fighting the Bookers of the world.

I don't think Wlad has it at all, everybody he fight knocks him down or out.

I think the most rational fight mentioned so far is a Lance Whitiker fight for Wlad. It has the potential to be a good fight and since like some one mentioned before both are leading WBO contenders it has a meaning in regards to the WBO title. I think this is the most positive move for Wlad. However, if he fails to defeat Lance Whitiker, Wlad should retire for good!

i say toney vs wlad would be the best..wlad wouldnt have to worry about toney's power so he can gain back his rep with this win

I don't think Wlad should fight anybody.Wlad fought Williamson like he was scared to be touched.Wlad just seemed way too gunshy in that fight.

I heard that he is gonna decide on his opponent in following weeks.

I heard that he is gonna decide on his opponent in following weeks.


I have read that Valuev's name is being tossed around.

I don't think Wlad should fight anybody.Wlad fought Williamson like he was scared to be touched.Wlad just seemed way too gunshy in that fight.


huh? :confused: He was chasing after Williamson all of the time

I actually think if Toney and Wlad fought it would be entirely possible that Toney could win without throwing a single punch. Wlad is so soft that Toney could just start yelling at him about how he's going to **** him up and pull his gun on him...Wlad would fold up and cry in his corner.

To the guy saying that Wlad wouldn't have to worry about Toney's power....you just don't get it. Did Wlad have to worry about Brewsters power? Or even feather fisted Touch of Silks power? The fight would never come off because Toney wouldn't want to fight the inferior brother...but if it did I would definitely be willing to put 5-10 mil on Toney winning and winning convincingly. :cool:

I actually think if Toney and Wlad fought it would be entirely possible that Toney could win without throwing a single punch. Wlad is so soft that Toney could just start yelling at him about how he's going to **** him up and pull his gun on him...Wlad would fold up and cry in his corner.

To the guy saying that Wlad wouldn't have to worry about Toney's power....you just don't get it. Did Wlad have to worry about Brewsters power? Or even feather fisted Touch of Silks power? The fight would never come off because Toney wouldn't want to fight the inferior brother...but if it did I would definitely be willing to put 5-10 mil on Toney winning and winning convincingly. :cool:

Is this really oldgringo? Brewster and TOS have no power? Brewster and TOS went into their fights with Wlad with KO %s of 90% and 85% respectively. Toney has a KO % of 63%. Either way Toney would never fight Wlad, so this is all pretty pointless.

I actually think if Toney and Wlad fought it would be entirely possible that Toney could win without throwing a single punch. Wlad is so soft that Toney could just start yelling at him about how he's going to **** him up and pull his gun on him...Wlad would fold up and cry in his corner.

To the guy saying that Wlad wouldn't have to worry about Toney's power....you just don't get it. Did Wlad have to worry about Brewsters power? Or even feather fisted Touch of Silks power? The fight would never come off because Toney wouldn't want to fight the inferior brother...but if it did I would definitely be willing to put 5-10 mil on Toney winning and winning convincingly. :cool:


....That's a bet I would take for 5-10 mil on Wlad if that fight ever came about. Byrd is more slick than Toney and look what happened to him. Plus, Toney has the injury problems and he is no spring chicken anymore. I think Wlad woud knock him out within 4 rounds and show Toney for the phoney he really is.

I want to see Wladamir K. fight his brother. I think that will be a good fight. :D

Is this really oldgringo? Brewster and TOS have no power? Brewster and TOS went into their fights with Wlad with KO %s of 90% and 85% respectively. Toney has a KO % of 63%. Either way Toney would never fight Wlad, so this is all pretty pointless.

Yeah sorry my original post was probably pretty stupid but Toney DOES have enough power to command Wlads attention...not one punch but the accumulation would sure as hell be enough to hurt him..Toney can hurt tough Evander (even though he's shot he is still tougher than Wlad) he can hurt Wlad. You're right Neuraxis, this fight will never happen so this is pretty pointless. Anyway, with the Brewster and TOS KO%...I don't really think that it matters when you just suck as a fighter. Power and power alone won't get it done, a good example is Miguel Cotto's last fight. Randall Bailey had the highest KO% of any 140 fighter yet he was trounced because he's inferior otherwise. I'm just saying that Wlad has so much raw skill and ability but he gets KOed and KD'd by inferior fighters. I have so much more respect for his brother.

....That's a bet I would take for 5-10 mil on Wlad if that fight ever came about. Byrd is more slick than Toney and look what happened to him. Plus, Toney has the injury problems and he is no spring chicken anymore. I think Wlad woud knock him out within 4 rounds and show Toney for the phoney he really is.

Come on pbds, Toney is no phoney. :D He's beaten the guys he's faced at HW convincingly. Byrd is NOT more slick than Toney. Byrd just moves around more. Toney rolls and slips better...and I think he has a better beard...although somewhat unproven at HW. Anyway, if it happens, me and you are putting up 5 mil.

Wlad has unfinished business with TOS. If he had any class at all he would give him a rematch.

Wlad has unfinished business with TOS. If he had any class at all he would give him a rematch.

How is 49-46 unfinished business?

Yeah sorry my original post was probably pretty stupid but Toney DOES have enough power to command Wlads attention...not one punch but the accumulation would sure as hell be enough to hurt him..Toney can hurt tough Evander (even though he's shot he is still tougher than Wlad) he can hurt Wlad. You're right Neuraxis, this fight will never happen so this is pretty pointless. Anyway, with the Brewster and TOS KO%...I don't really think that it matters when you just suck as a fighter. Power and power alone won't get it done, a good example is Miguel Cotto's last fight. Randall Bailey had the highest KO% of any 140 fighter yet he was trounced because he's inferior otherwise. I'm just saying that Wlad has so much raw skill and ability but he gets KOed and KD'd by inferior fighters. I have so much more respect for his brother.

Wlad hardly gets hit though, so this would be an interesting fight.

Wlad hardly gets hit though, so this would be an interesting fight.


Wlad hardly gets hit???? i saw Brewster hit him more than a few times. Toney can hit him a lot more than Brewster

Wlad hardly gets hit???? i saw Brewster hit him more than a few times. Toney can hit him a lot more than Brewster

Maybe you watched a different fight than I did. Brewster landed 43 punches over 5 rounds. And if you don't count the 5th round where Wlad was out of it, he was hit with 28 punches over 4 rounds. Yes, Wlad hardly get's hit.

Maybe you watched a different fight than I did. Brewster landed 43 punches over 5 rounds. And if you don't count the 5th round where Wlad was out of it, he was hit with 28 punches over 4 rounds. Yes, Wlad hardly get's hit.


Brewster's skills aren't that great, Toney will hit him a lot more

Brewster's skills aren't that great, Toney will hit him a lot more

If he's gonna do that he would also get hit a lot more. Either way it would be an interesting fight.

first he says Brewster hit him lots, then he changes his tune to.. well Brewster isn't as skilled as Toney..

:confused:

Wlad can only be proven if he fights a fight WITHOUT a guaranteed victory... one where he gets hit hard, but doesn't get KO'd and doesn't give up..

Wlad should face a defenseless guy, with no chin & less stamina.

Wlad will hit him & KO him immediately....which is the ONLY way Wlad is guaranteed victory.

:D :D :D

:D :D :D

So he should fight Booker, too bad he's in jail.

So he should fight Booker, too bad he's in jail.

You overlooked LESS stamina!!
:D :D :D

Come on pbds, Toney is no phoney. :D He's beaten the guys he's faced at HW convincingly. Byrd is NOT more slick than Toney. Byrd just moves around more. Toney rolls and slips better...and I think he has a better beard...although somewhat unproven at HW. Anyway, if it happens, me and you are putting up 5 mil.

....Your on sir, I would jump at the chance.

I don't think Wlad has it at all, everybody he fight knocks him down or out.

You're kidding right? Have you seen any of his fights? Wladimir has only been knocked out ONCE in his career - that was against Corrie Sanders. He punched himself out against Ross Purrity and it was his CORNER that threw in the towel - Wlad was not knocked out and did NOT quit. Wladimir was drugged / poisoned in his fight against Brewster - Brewster got one good shot in the 3rd round - Wlad collapsed on his own - and was never knocked out by brewster. Get your facts straight before you start running your mouth.

i reckon my postman has a shot at koing wlad..

if hes in one more fight that looks as bad as when he
collapsed against brewster he should retire IMO.

and id watch him fight his bruv but it would be sick..
v-klit would likely hold back for both rds :D

this why i am not sold on toney...you know booker...he f**king made it to the end bell..what the f**k...

even shot tyson and wlad would have ko'ed that guy before 5 rounds...

You're kidding right? Have you seen any of his fights? Wladimir has only been knocked out ONCE in his career - that was against Corrie Sanders. He punched himself out against Ross Purrity and it was his CORNER that threw in the towel - Wlad was not knocked out and did NOT quit. Wladimir was drugged / poisoned in his fight against Brewster - Brewster got one good shot in the 3rd round - Wlad collapsed on his own - and was never knocked out by brewster. Get your facts straight before you start running your mouth.
WOW, I was running my mouth? I think that might be going to far. I think what really happened was I stated my opinion and you didn't like it. :)

this why i am not sold on toney...you know booker...he f**king made it to the end bell..what the f**k...


One arm...One arm...only..

this why i am not sold on toney...you know booker...he f**king made it to the end bell..what the f**k...

even shot tyson and wlad would have ko'ed that guy before 5 rounds...

Actually I'd be surprised if he lasted longer than 1 round with Tyson and Wlad.

hell yeah same here...but i didnt wanna piss off these "toney fans"....toney needs to step it up....

Actually I'd be surprised if he lasted longer than 1 round with Tyson and Wlad.

Sure 1 holds him the other tries to hit him! :D :D :D

this why i am not sold on toney...you know booker...he f**king made it to the end bell..what the f**k...


He did it fighting many rounds with one arm.

Brother Vitali quit when his arm was hurting.
;)

He did it fighting many rounds with one arm.

Brother Vitali quit when his arm was hurting.
;)

They were two completely different injuries.

Sure 1 holds him the other tries to hit him! :D :D :D

Nope sorry, Booker is just that bad.

Wlad should face a defenseless guy, with no chin & less stamina.

Wlad will hit him & KO him immediately....which is the ONLY way Wlad is guaranteed victory.


byrd has a chin stamina and great defence and was destroyed by wlad

what you ment to say si fight someone who has no power to hrut him

Are you serious? If so, let's bet. :D

Wlad W12 or TK010 Toney.
ill bet that toney would beat wlad as well

ill bet that toney would beat wlad as well

lets bet if it comes up

Just replace Jirov with Wlad in Boxer2k5's avatar and you have the outcome of a Toney/Wlad fight. Wlad will eighter punch himself out or Toney will lull him to sleep and put him down late.

I like both Klitschko brothers, even though Wlad isn't very good. Maybe he could fight Williamson again so it wouldn't end on a headbutt. I would like to see him fight Jirov too. I wouldn't know who to root for!

I like both Klitschko brothers!


you are a champion !

Wlad will eighter punch himself out or Toney will lull him to sleep and put him down late.


Just analyze carefully the best of Wlad's fights, not the worst.

Wlad-Toney will be a very competitive fight.

Toney is a great boxer but he (and Jirov) should go to cruisers. Any way, he fought only cruisers so far.

Just analyze carefully the best of Wlad's fights, not the worst.

Wlad-Toney will be a very competitive fight.

Toney is a great boxer but he (and Jirov) should go to cruisers. Any way, he fought only cruisers so far.

Nautilus, Toney's dream in life was to be the heavyweight champion of the world....theres no way he'd go back to cruiser. I think Wlad Toney would be a great fight and Wlad is very dangerous...but why do you think he's so prone to these sort of slip ups (punching himself out against Purity/Brewster, being KOed by Sanders, being knocked down by Touch of Silk)? Once he pulls it together he will be a much greater force in boxing.

We know that Wlad can beat TOS in a FOUR round fight. Let's see if he can do it in a TEN round fight. I don't think he can.

We know that Wlad can beat TOS in a FOUR round fight. Let's see if he can do it in a TEN round fight. I don't think he can.

Try being a bigger troll.

We know that Wlad can beat TOS in a FOUR round fight. Let's see if he can do it in a TEN round fight. I don't think he can.


it was not a four-round fight;

check also the compubox history of wlad fights on the issue of stamina;

Vaughn Bean KO's Wlad in 6 rounds. I would bet money on it. Oleg Maskaev would crush him. Dominic Quinn too. Wlad might have a chance against Michael Grant, if he catches him early.

Anyone know?


some bum..

They were two completely different injuries.

Those were different injuries, but the facts remain:

He did it fighting many rounds with one arm.

Brother Vitali quit when his arm was hurting.

;)

Those were different injuries, but the facts remain:

He did it fighting many rounds with one arm.

Brother Vitali quit when his arm was hurting.

;)


not true; vitaliy hurt his hand in round 2 and kept fighting through round 9.

vitaliy's injury was very serious and requireed an opeartion; Neuraxis once posted on the medical nature of that injury

I seems to me that Wlad is at risk of getting knocked out no matter who he fights (he has been down 6 times in last 5 fights). I was very impressed with him when he gave Byrd and McCline one-sided beatings and I thought he is future champ. But let's the the fact: He isnt the same fighter anymore.

I seems to me that Wlad is at risk of getting knocked out no matter who he fights (he has been down 6 times in last 5 fights). I was very impressed with him when he gave Byrd and McCline one-sided beatings and I thought he is future champ. But let's the the fact: He isnt the same fighter anymore.



Rahman had also his ass beaten badly, so what...

GJ is another example

We know that Wlad can beat TOS in a FOUR round fight. Let's see if he can do it in a TEN round fight. I don't think he can.


Try to imagine Tyson in any of these scenarios going TEN rounds...
talk about a train out of steam... :rolleyes:

Wlad KO2 Toney

oBESITY ko2 tONEY

oBESITY ko2 tONEY


Wlad may not be the fighter he was a couple years ago. However, Toney is too small and Wlad is too fast for Toneys extremely well rounded defense. Wlad would stop Toney.

some bum..

Or Wlad said that he would never fight a bum like Fabio Moli again because it was a waste of time. In case you are forgetting TOS was ranked ahead of Wlad in the WBC and IBF rankings and TOS is still ranked ahead of him in the WBC rankings.

Those were different injuries, but the facts remain:

He did it fighting many rounds with one arm.

Brother Vitali quit when his arm was hurting.

;)

No, because one injury can end your career the other can't.

I seems to me that Wlad is at risk of getting knocked out no matter who he fights (he has been down 6 times in last 5 fights). I was very impressed with him when he gave Byrd and McCline one-sided beatings and I thought he is future champ. But let's the the fact: He isnt the same fighter anymore.

I only count 5.

wow, if Toney and WK do end up fighting, there will be a TON of points being exchanged.

:D

No, because one injury can end your career the other can't.
No? Yes. The facts remain! :D :D

I only count 5.
Ah, good. 6 is bad...5 is ok! :D :D :D

he should fight sanders or whitaker.........

Wlad should face a defenseless guy, with no chin & less stamina.

Wlad will hit him & KO him immediately....which is the ONLY way Wlad is guaranteed victory.



I guess he should fight you then.

Valuev is the most likely opponent, ranked as # 5 by WBA.



This would also be a commercially attractive fight for the German market.

I think he should fight the Black Rhino or that guy that beat Dominick Guinn or Evander Holyfield.

I never understood why his name starts with a W but it sounds like a 'V'. Vitali's name sounds like 'V' and starts with 'V'.

I think I will take Spanish when I enroll in public school.

I think he should fight the Black Rhino or that guy that beat Dominick Guinn or Evander Holyfield.

I never understood why his name starts with a W but it sounds like a 'V'. Vitali's name sounds like 'V' and starts with 'V'.

I think I will take Spanish when I enroll in public school.


German spelling + convenience (VK vs WK).

Neils, quit the Bear business, pls.

Valuev is the most likely opponent, ranked as # 5 by WBA.

This would also be a commercially attractive fight for the German market.

It would be a golden opportunity for Valuev but Wlad has much to loose and nothing to gain from this fight. Don't think it'll happen, although I would love to see it.

Valuev is the most likely opponent, ranked as # 5 by WBA.



This would also be a commercially attractive fight for the German market.

Where did you hear this? Wlad has a horrible ranking in the WBA, so fighting someone who is ranked highly by the WBA seems to be a waste of time.

German spelling + convenience (VK vs WK).

Neils, quit the Bear business, pls.



yeah in german, W is pronounced V
V is pronounced F

in the alphabet W is "vae"
V is "fow"

at least the German that I learned in school :D

Where did you hear this? Wlad has a horrible ranking in the WBA, so fighting someone who is ranked highly by the WBA seems to be a waste of time.


at:
www.allboxing.ru

at:
www.allboxing.ru

I wonder if that's just because its a Russian site.

I wonder if that's just because its a Russian site.


It could be, but so far that site has been providing very accurate information.


The article that I mentioned is a brief summary of a press-conference held by K2-brothers in Kiev, Ukraine.


[http://allboxing.ru/archives/2004-12-23_14_17.html]

Wlad needs a good win fast, his credibility as a top heavyweight is fast diminishing

he needs to double up on the chin exercises or somethin :o
let vitali clock him a few times a day, build up his toughness..
:cool:
then he'd be ready for the top..

It could be, but so far that site has been providing very accurate information.


The article that I mentioned is a brief summary of a press-conference held by K2-brothers in Kiev, Ukraine.


[http://allboxing.ru/archives/2004-12-23_14_17.html]

Well it looks like this might happen then.

Wow, we sure are quick to condemn a mother****er, aren't we? Especially when he's white. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. keep on hating!

i saw the byrd wladmir fight just now, and i realized many things

wlad can go the distance and does not really have a stamina problem, if he fights tactically. against mcline he went 9 or 10.
wat i heard is that wen he fought brewster, his cutman in the back rubbed loads of vaseline over his legs and chest. what this does is block the pores of you skin, so you end up getting tired faster.

byrd's defence is actually not that great. he couldn't stay away from wlad, mcline, or golata. also, most say he lost against vitali, and against golata. take those 2 and add to his losses against ibeabuchi, and wlad, thats actually 4 losses.

i saw the byrd wladmir fight just now, and i realized many things

wlad can go the distance and does not really have a stamina problem, if he fights tactically. against mcline he went 9 or 10.
wat i heard is that wen he fought brewster, his cutman in the back rubbed loads of vaseline over his legs and chest. what this does is block the pores of you skin, so you end up getting tired faster.

byrd's defence is actually not that great. he couldn't stay away from wlad, mcline, or golata. also, most say he lost against vitali, and against golata. take those 2 and add to his losses against ibeabuchi, and wlad, thats actually 4 losses.

From watching the fight I completly disagree. Wlad stood flat-footed, and pawed with the wide majority of his punches, and threw a small amount of hard punches. He was also able to set his own pace b/c Byrd is a feather-puncher and could not force the action with his aggression. Compare that fight to the Brewster fight and the difference is obvious. Against Lamon, Wlad was throwing about 3 times as man hard punches, he was moving aroun the wing with his legs, and Brewster was also forcing Klit to work as he was constantly coming forward and has a good punch. Against a puncher with endurance, Wlad will lose everytime. He just can't take the pressure.

Even Byrd was able to back him up in the 7th, 8th, and 12 rounds. In the 12 round, Wlad, even though he'd knocked Byrd down twice and had him hurt several times, still played it safe and went away from Byrd like he was Joe Frazier. Wlad has great power and is a beautiful straight puncher but his balls are the size of acorns . . .

Actually, Wlad didn't say that he will fight Valuev for sure. He was asked if the fight is possible, and he said it is and added that he wants a fight that will move him closer to a title shot.

There were also reports several months ago that Wlad's people approached Sauerland about the Valuev fight, but Sauerland declined the offer saying that they offered ridiculously little money.

Actually, Wlad didn't say that he will fight Valuev for sure. He was asked if the fight is possible, and he said it is and added that he wants a fight that will move him closer to a title shot.

There were also reports several months ago that Wlad's people approached Sauerland about the Valuev fight, but Sauerland declined the offer saying that they offered ridiculously little money.


Thank you, this is a very useful clarification.

Even Byrd was able to back him up in the 7th, 8th, and 12 rounds. In the 12 round, Wlad, even though he'd knocked Byrd down twice and had him hurt several times, still played it safe and went away from Byrd like he was Joe Frazier.

Good post. Wlad has always been a cautious fighter. Idiots acted like against TOS that it was the first time that Wlad had ever fought cautiously.

I would love to see him fight Toney.