Gatti runied commanche

Lewis ruined golota/tua

Tyson ruined spinks/bruno

Holyfield ruined tyson

Tarver ruined jones

Any others?

Ali ruined Liston.

Benn ruined McClellan
Mayorga ruined Forrest

Tito ruined:

Vargas
Yory Boy Campas
Reid
Maurice Blocker
Joppy
Oba Carr
And maybe Mayorga's

Norris ruined Lenard
King ruined Tyson!
Bowe ruined Holyfield (Atleast started it)
Forrest Ruined Mosley
Peters ruined Williams

Gabe Rueles and Mancini were ruined by the result of their oponents. I know that isn't what you meant. But I thought about it and it applies to your question. Very sad too.

Aids ruined Morrison!

Aids ruined Morrison!

:) :) I JUST SHAT MYSELF

Maybe the definition is a bit mixed here, when you ruin a guy that would be what Tito did to Reid or Vargas, but it does not mean that Norris ruined Leonards career or Tyson ruined Spinks's...there careers were already cemented in place...they had nothing else to prove.

I will be curious to see how Juan Lazcano comes back after the brutal beating he took against Castillo he may be damaged goods forever...although Ledwaba was champion with about five or six defenses under his belt he still was looking to be recognized as great until Manny came to town and changed his life forever, manny definately ruined Lehlo's career.

I would say that Andrew Golota ruined Michael Grant and not Lennox...Grant was basically knocked out in the second round against Golota but was saved by the bell...man that was a helluva fight but Grant cam in the next fight against Lewis scared out of his mind because of what happended in his fight with Golota...he bum rushed Lennox because he wanted out of there...AG ruined Grant, not LL-LL fought already damaged goods that night.

Golota ruined Bowe, and Sanders may have ruined Wlad(I hope he didn't).

How could we forget Taylor being ruined by JC Superstar?

david reid had a droopy eye since amateurs, he was ruined since then and his career was rushed along so quickly because they knew he had almost no time left in boxing. joppy had a good comeback win against howard eastmen after the trinidad bout. hes always been mediocre, i wouldnt say he changed at all after the trinidad bout. trinidad destoryed vargas' career worse than anyone else on his list, vargas took a severe 12 round beating to the skull and balls im suprised he can even think anymore or have children LOL

http://img13.exs.cx/img13/5504/TitovsVargas-12th.gif

that hurts me just watching it

fuqqen scap ....

hell yeah, when you're talkin' about ruining careers .... tito takes that muahfuqqen cake .... vargas, reid, joppy and mayorga. all title holders.

but i gotta give it up to my mexican brother jcc .. what that crazy ass mexican did to taylor, prolly the best ever 140lb'er (hadn't he ever met jcc)..... ****, its sad; but thats boxing.

drunk at work, you gotta love the private sector!!!! u could never get away w/ this **** w/ the government!!!!

lemme know whos gonna be there for tito-wright (crossing fingers at msg) cuz thats gonna be my bachelor party, so a select few of you bastards could party it up big w/ me.

ok ok - the jurys still out on mayorga ... but honestly i feel like his career is over like a mug.

lol i think trinidad ended the most with that left hook.....he definitely ended reids, vargas, and joppys careers

fuqqen scap ....

hell yeah, when you're talkin' about ruining careers .... tito takes that muahfuqqen cake .... vargas, reid, joppy and mayorga. all title holders.

but i gotta give it up to my mexican brother jcc .. what that crazy ass mexican did to taylor, prolly the best ever 140lb'er (hadn't he ever met jcc)..... ****, its sad; but thats boxing.

drunk at work, you gotta love the private sector!!!! u could never get away w/ this **** w/ the government!!!!

lemme know whos gonna be there for tito-wright (crossing fingers at msg) cuz thats gonna be my bachelor party, so a select few of you bastards could party it up big w/ me.

ok ok - the jurys still out on mayorga ... but honestly i feel like his career is over like a mug.

Ill be in Seattle that night so we will have to get together after the fight...meet you half way, is Oklahoma doable?

Ill be in Seattle that night so we will have to get together after the fight...meet you half way, is Oklahoma doable?

oklahoma's walking distance from say ... manhattan, right?

of course, fights will be over by 12 eastern so I say we meet at 11pacific...Ill show you a good time, Ill leave the wife behind and we can get us a couple of redneck racist whores that need it givin to them good...just think Baya there are to dumb chicks walking around Oklahoma city right now that are ours! I wish I could tell them to rest up because I have a game plan for them...in the words of the great Clobber Lang...."PAIN"

Norris ruined Lenard
King ruined Tyson!
Bowe ruined Holyfield (Atleast started it)
Forrest Ruined Mosley
Peters ruined Williams

Gabe Rueles and Mancini were ruined by the result of their oponents. I know that isn't what you meant. But I thought about it and it applies to your question. Very sad too.

Bramble ruined Mancini

Bowe may have ruined Holyfield but what we did not know at the time was that Holyfield also ruined Bowe, as it turns out he ruined him a hell of a lot worse than anyone could have ever imagined!

Tommy Gunn ruined Union Cane

Rocky ruined Tommy Gunn
Rocky ruined Ivan Drago
Ivan Drago ruined, hell he ****in killed Apollo Creed
Rocky ruined Spider Rico

Mick ruined Rocky...for one fight

Bowe may have ruined Holyfield but what we did not know at the time was that Holyfield also ruined Bowe, as it turns out he ruined him a hell of a lot worse than anyone could have ever imagined!

Tommy Gunn ruined Union Cane

Rocky ruined Tommy Gunn
Rocky ruined Ivan Drago
Ivan Drago ruined, hell he ****in killed Apollo Creed
Rocky ruined Spider Rico

Mick ruined Rocky...for one fight


Spider Rico....nice pull

again, joppy came back after his loss against trinidad and beat howard eastmen later that year. i wouldnt exactly call that ruined. he then beat a japanese middleweight and didnt lose against until hopkins made his head look like it had been in a hornets nest. trinidad gave reid a beating, but he definately didnt cause that eye injury it had already been there since amateurs, his camp wanted him to retire for years and were suprised he even made it that far in his career. trinidad finally put him out of his misery

of course, fights will be over by 12 eastern so I say we meet at 11pacific...Ill show you a good time, Ill leave the wife behind and we can get us a couple of redneck racist whores that need it givin to them good...just think Baya there are to dumb chicks walking around Oklahoma city right now that are ours! I wish I could tell them to rest up because I have a game plan for them...in the words of the great Clobber Lang...."PAIN"

yeah, a nice brisk pace'll get me there no problemo. i just wanna inflict the "pain" on timothy mcveigh's younger sister and/or mother ... trizzzz dude!

WHAT UP!

again, joppy came back after his loss against trinidad and beat howard eastmen later that year. i wouldnt exactly call that ruined. he then beat a japanese middleweight and didnt lose against until hopkins made his head look like it had been in a hornets nest. trinidad gave reid a beating, but he definately didnt cause that eye injury it had already been there since amateurs, his camp wanted him to retire for years and were suprised he even made it that far in his career. trinidad finally put him out of his misery

i wouldn't go equating american (pardon the non-pc) talent to european talent dude. beating an eastman and a japanese cat doesn't scream "come back!"

no offense elviel - i didn't think of hatton when i said that. nor pac-man, nor the good 3-K battery ...

Holyfield ruined tyson

No, Tyson ruined Tyson.

Benn ruined McClellen.

Ricky Martin ruined Oscar De La Hoya.

MAB ruined Hamed's magic-carpet ride....

Can't believe it took so long for Chavez ruining Taylor to get mentioned.

Probably one of the worst ever in my opinion. Meldrick had all the makings of a top all time great before he met JCC.

No, Tyson ruined Tyson.
Exactly what I was gonna say.

This whole "ruined a fighter's career" list should be much shorter. It's really hard to tell whether or not a fighter's career has been ruined by one fight, even in the Benn-McClellan case. Prior to that fight, G-man said in an interview that he's had migraine headaches ever since he fought Julian Jackson. Even if he never fought Benn, eventually, McClellan would have had brain damage.

Most damage from boxing is from an accumulation of punches over an accumulation of fights. But, unless you're a health expert who's tested all of these fighters, then you can't know for certain.

There should be two definitions of how a fighter's career can be looked at as "ruined". One is because of health problems and the other is by market value. Holyfield definitely didn't ruin Tyson's career healthwise, but an argument can be made that Tyson losing may have at least very slightly lowered his market value, the same can be said for other fighters after they've lost or lost in an unexpectedly bad way (e.g. Golota Ko'ed in 1 round by Lewis).

I don't think Lewis ruined Tua's career. Tua had a management problem. Tyson already ruined himself before he fought Holyfield (how the hell can you piss away $400 million and end up with millions of dollars of debt?). And as for Jones? After he fought Ruiz, there really wasn't a lot in there. So I guess he ruined his own. And Johnson ruined Tarver's. How about Jirov-Mesi?

B-Hop almost ruined Tito, the same way PacMan did to Barrera. And yes, I agree, I wouldn't call it ruined if they are still around and strong.

Honeyghan doing Curry. Rosario on Camacho. Chavez on Rosario. Hamed on Sanchez. Hearns on Cuevas. Jones ruined Toneys career for a long time after he dominated him.

Trinidad #1

Tito ruined

reid
vargas

jcc ruined taylor
tyson ruined his own carreer!

lewis ended golota
forrest ruind mosley
Larios ended Jorrin in the rematch

No disrespect intended....
Deuk-Koo Kim ruined Ray Mancini.

The most severe cases where a fighters career was ruined are Mel Taylor/JCC and Ray Mancini/DKK. Meldrick took, arguably, the most brutal beating in the history of the sport, and still managed to stand up to the greatest mexican fighter of all time, winning the fight in the hearts of the people. This fight was a testament to his heart and greatness. He had multiple facial fractures, internal bleeding, multiple cuts inside his mouth, and bruises/contusions galore. His career was beat out of him that night.

Mancini never went "Boom Boom" again after Kim died. Another case where it seemed that a fighter was afraid to let his killer instinct go would be Eubank/Watson. It seemed like Eubank was always afriad to turn it on when he had his man hurt or in trouble after what he did to Watson.

I never thought Tito really "ruined" anyones career. Campas made his living knocking out garbage men and plumbers anyway...I never thougt he very special. As someone mentioned before, Reid was inevitably going to have to give it up with the eye. Vargas had notable wins after his beating.

I don't know if Honeyghan ruined Curry, maybe it was just psychological **** with DC. It was interesting to watch however, because you rarely get to see a fighter look so stellar before a fight and so painfully average afterwards.

John Ruiz, in some small yet painful psychological way, mentally ruins everyone he faces with that creepy uncle hug he administers. :eek:

The most severe cases where a fighters career was ruined are Mel Taylor/JCC and Ray Mancini/DKK. Meldrick took, arguably, the most brutal beating in the history of the sport, and still managed to stand up to the greatest mexican fighter of all time, winning the fight in the hearts of the people. This fight was a testament to his heart and greatness. He had multiple facial fractures, internal bleeding, multiple cuts inside his mouth, and bruises/contusions galore. His career was beat out of him that night.

Mancini never went "Boom Boom" again after Kim died. Another case where it seemed that a fighter was afraid to let his killer instinct go would be Eubank/Watson. It seemed like Eubank was always afriad to turn it on when he had his man hurt or in trouble after what he did to Watson.

I never thought Tito really "ruined" anyones career. Campas made his living knocking out garbage men and plumbers anyway...I never thougt he very special. As someone mentioned before, Reid was inevitably going to have to give it up with the eye. Vargas had notable wins after his beating.

I don't know if Honeyghan ruined Curry, maybe it was just psychological **** with DC. It was interesting to watch however, because you rarely get to see a fighter look so stellar before a fight and so painfully average afterwards.

John Ruiz, in some small yet painful psychological way, mentally ruins everyone he faces with that creepy uncle hug he administers. :eek:

That Reminds me, Jimmy Garcia's death ruined Gabriel Ruelas as well. He too held his punches back after that.

Gatti runied commanche

Lewis ruined golota/tua

Tyson ruined spinks/bruno

Holyfield ruined tyson

Tarver ruined jones

Any others?


Very incorrect post. Allow me to asssit! Lewis ruined NO ONE...Tyson ruined HIMSELF....Holyfield ruined NO ONE but is RUINING or has RUINED HIMSELF....Tarver ruined NO ONE...TIME ruined JONES...The Gatti/Comache assessment is correct. Here are some others: Benn ruined McClellan, Griffith ruined Paret, Chavez ruined Taylor, Eubanks ruined Watson, Mancini ruined Kim, Ali ruined HIMSELF, etc, etc...

Gatti did not ruin Gamache.

Gamache was brutally KO'd by Tony Lopez in '92.

Orzubek Nazarov knocked Gamache down 4x, in two rounds, the last time laying him out every bit as horribly as did Gatti....in '94.

Gamache took a horrible beating from Julio Cesar Chavez in '96.


Gatti did nothing to Gamache that hadn't been done before.

Most damage from boxing is from an accumulation of punches over an accumulation of fights. But, unless you're a health expert who's tested all of these fighters, then you can't know for certain.
Two Words: Gym Wars

Bernard Hopkins ruined Félix Trinidad...

Bernard Hopkins ruined Félix Trinidad...

How is Tito ruined after his lost to Nard?

i wouldn't go equating american (pardon the non-pc) talent to european talent dude. beating an eastman and a japanese cat doesn't scream "come back!"

no offense elviel - i didn't think of hatton when i said that. nor pac-man, nor the good 3-K battery ...


come on now. in that case i could argue that hopkins ruined trinidad, who has he beat since the hopkins fight? i wouldnt say beating cherifi and mayorga screams COMEBACK either. i would say that beating an undefeated, natural middleweight in howard eastmen and a random japanese middleweight is just as impressive if not more so than beating mayorga jumping up two weight divisions and a finished cherifi. joppy is just an ordinary fighter, and an idiot to boot. like mayorga he didnt think trinidad could hurt him. i dont know why people always come into boxing matches with trinidad thinking he cant hurt him, they all end up on their ass. mayorga was done after round 1 when he let trinidad blast him with those flush lefthooks.

obviously i dont think hopkins ruined trinidad, but i hope you get the point im trying to make

If you wanna get techincal mayorga only jumped up one weight class cuz he came in overweight against mitchell (i think thats his name). But ruining career is what trinidad did to reid, not what hopkins did to tito. Where is reid now? what did he do after they fight? It is a better arguement to say that tito has not faced much competition since his lose to hopkins. Right now tito is more famous than ever and everyone wants to fight him. hes the money man at 160, so how is that a career ruined. And if mayo was no competition than why was the world 50/50 on who would win that fight. but saying mayo was no comp. is better than sayin titos career was ruined

Pacquiao ruined Barrera.. but Barrera came back strong. Damn, i thought he was finished after that beating that he got from pac.

Gatti runied commanche

Lewis ruined golota/tua

Tyson ruined spinks/bruno

Holyfield ruined tyson

Tarver ruined jones

Any others?

Tyson ruined Tyson.

i wouldn't go equating american (pardon the non-pc) talent to european talent dude. beating an eastman and a japanese cat doesn't scream "come back!"

no offense elviel - i didn't think of hatton when i said that. nor pac-man, nor the good 3-K battery ...

or vitaly klistchko or nigel benn or pacman or naseem hamed or jean marck mormeck or kostya tzyu or lennox lewis.

damn, baya those guys became world champs without AMERICAN TALENT !

can you believe that ? they are overrated , i hope a good american talented boxer like say , sharmba mitchell kevin kelley or evander holyfield kicks their europeans asses...

you should open your eyes my redneck friend , the world is worst discovering .

Lewis ****ed up Grants life!

this year corrales ruined frietas!!
the big punching undefeated brazilian turning away saying no-mas,
career ruined, he will never be thought of as the same fighter!!!

this year corrales ruined frietas!!
the big punching undefeated brazilian turning away saying no-mas,
career ruined, he will never be thought of as the same fighter!!!
i disagree , i think the no mas move actually saved freitas from a career ending beating.

i disagree , i think the no mas move actually saved freitas from a career ending beating.
yeah but his rep as a big punching tough guy is totally destroyed!!
he will have that fight hanging over him for years to come.

No mas destroys credibility and poopoo will never live it down.

Golota ruined Grant's career. He seemed to have shattered the glass placed on Grant's chin.

Felix Trinidad ruined 2 jr. Middleweight's careers.

David Reid and Fernando Vargas.

How could we forget Taylor being ruined by JC Superstar?

I think he was too disheartened after the loss. Undefeated coming in, he fought his heart out and still came up short. Too bad...

Buster Douglas ruined Tyson

Barrera ruined Hamed's career.

Barrera ruined Hamed's career.

Correct ;) . ****y Hamed couldn´t cope with that loss.

Liston ruined Patterson
Foreman ruined Frazier
Foreman ruined Moorer

Robin Reid destroyed Giovanni Pretorius (or his management did)
J.C. Chavez d. Meldrick Taylor
Lloyd Honeygan d. Donald Curry

I'd say Gatti destroyed Gamache's career.

I think jabs already stated this earlier...Gamache had already been brutally beaten and KOed before Gatti. Gatti did not ruin his career. He sure didn't help his career by coming in 1000 pounds heavier but Gamache was already on the **** end of the stick at that point.

riddick bowe ruined golata( golata broke down and started fouling)
gatti ruined ward ( dude still sees double)
lewis ruined McCall( McCall started crying and quit)
soon to be ruined if they dont change
Mayweather (law)
Spadafora (law)

Ray boom boom Mancini ruined somebodys career.

buster douglas ruined tyson career

Ray boom boom Mancini ruined somebodys career.

I'd say the ref was more responsible for Kim's death than Mancini was, that fight should have been stopped earlier.

My apologies if anyone has mentioned these.

K. Tsyzu definately destroyed Judah's career!
Forrest/Wright ruined Mosley's career!
Mayorga messed up Forrest"s career!
Tyson f**ked up M. Spinks career!
Ali messed up Foreman's career! (I think to this day Foreman has nightmares about that one!)

Meldrick Taylor wasn't the same after losing to Chavez

Meldrick Taylor wasn't the same after losing to Chavez

ledwaba after pac beat the hell out of him.

williams ruined tysons comeback alas

Alot of the fights mentioned ruined the legacy of the guy (myth is more like it) more than it did their careers. Some of the fighters that I thought were ruined were ones like Davey Moore who was a young champion who took a tremendous beating by Duran, and perhaps John Ruiz, whose 19 second knockout loss to Tua, may have been what ruined his confidence and has turned him into one of the more despised fighters to watch by boxing fans, because he is content now to just lunge in, hit once and hold. And then there's Tony Ayala who just simply ruined himself.

I think Ali ruined liston the worst. He is still messed up to this day from it.

i think hopkins has retired the most fighters that i know of, if not ruined there careers. just take a look at his record, he's retired a good handful of guys as well as, after losing to hopkins they never really got back on track to win......look at joe lipsey, guy was like 20-0, after hopkins....nothing. the only one that comes to mind,that has had any kind of wins and has made a decent career for himself is glen johnson. i would say for numbers sake hopkins has ruined more careers..... i know that there are some other that can be argued, but for the most part.............hopkins!