According to this article at this site, http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/mnlastd/?page=sports01_dec23_2004

Davis said that while Pacquiao may be a big draw in the Philippines, he was a disappointment in terms of HBO TV ratings and his last fight against Marquez “rated only 4.5 percent,” which Davis disclosed was below the HBO standard of “no less than 6 percent.”

He said fighters who “fail to get the required ratings on HBO are scheduled on Boxing After Dark” which is regarded as a lower level boxing program where the total purse for both fighters is only some $500,000 to $600,000.

That really sucks. The most entertaining Featherweight and one of most entertaining boxers ever, period, and he's getting called a disappointment? That is really bad to hear. I thought HBO was all giddy for Manny(well as long as he beat Marquez), looks like they aren't. :(

He's quoting numbers. He's not saying Manny's not exciting. Don't blame HBO, blame sports fans who only tune into the smaller guys if they come into the ring on magic carpets, or doing flips.

For HBO, this is business not a sport..its a numbers game.

He's quoting numbers. He's not saying Manny's not exciting. Don't blame HBO, blame sports fans who only tune into the smaller guys if they come into the ring on magic carpets, or doing flips.

hey i like guys who come in on floating carpets and do flips :P

According to this article at this site, http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/mnlastd/?page=sports01_dec23_2004

Davis said that while Pacquiao may be a big draw in the Philippines, he was a disappointment in terms of HBO TV ratings and his last fight against Marquez “rated only 4.5 percent,” which Davis disclosed was below the HBO standard of “no less than 6 percent.”

He said fighters who “fail to get the required ratings on HBO are scheduled on Boxing After Dark” which is regarded as a lower level boxing program where the total purse for both fighters is only some $500,000 to $600,000.

That really sucks. The most entertaining Featherweight and one of most entertaining boxers ever, period, and he's getting called a disappointment? That is really bad to hear. I thought HBO was all giddy for Manny(well as long as he beat Marquez), looks like they aren't. :(

yes manny is one of the most exciting featherweights today..but I think HBO must be blamed also if the rating was not that good because they have all the machineries to promote a fight, not only to the home countries of those 2 people fighting but also to every part of the world. can they do that?? HBO is a media company, why not do like CNN doing in promnoting fights?? evry person who has an access to a television, can eventually know that there is a pay per view fight of one of the most exciting featherweights in the world.. :(

marquez isnt really a popular fighter compared to barrera or morales. i think the barrera rematch or a fight with morales would draw huge ratings. i love watching manny fight, imma be at pacman/marquez 2 if its in the states :D

That rots, but if you think about it, Tyson is still a draw. Manny's name isn't thrown around enough, we all know he is a great fighter. He destroyed one of HBO's top fighters. Like Tarver trying to fill Jones shoes, it will take many fights before Manny ruffles the right feathers and people will start tuning in to watch him.

When it comes to HBO and promoting fights, they could do a lot more than they do.... The first thing they need to do is get The Latino card on an english channel. They show All the fights they have on HBO on HBO latino, how about vice-versa, then Cotto would be a bigger name than he is now.

He's quoting numbers. He's not saying Manny's not exciting. Don't blame HBO, blame sports fans who only tune into the smaller guys if they come into the ring on magic carpets, or doing flips.



Funny!! Naz comes to mind.

I'm not really blaming HBO. I just don't like how they talk like Manny isn't good for boxing. I know it's buisness to them and the fans are what really decide based on number of views though they need to see more to it than just numbers sometimes. We are the ones that pay to see this stuff, we should decide who we want to see. I also do agree that the low rating might be more so on Marquez's part than Manny's though cmon. Just hearing Manny is in a fight should make you want to see it regardless of his opponent. Though I guess if you consider this, this was Manny's first fight that he was the big name and was holding his own weight. Every fight before it in the US, including Barrera, he was the second person people came to see, and usually were hoping was knocked out. People tuned in to see BARRERA fight him, and not the other way around. Now that it was suppose to be people tuning in to seeing Manny fight Marquez, if it didn't hold up well, I don't know how much HBO will support his future bouts :(

yes manny is one of the most exciting featherweights today..but I think HBO must be blamed also if the rating was not that good because they have all the machineries to promote a fight, not only to the home countries of those 2 people fighting but also to every part of the world. can they do that?? HBO is a media company, why not do like CNN doing in promnoting fights?? evry person who has an access to a television, can eventually know that there is a pay per view fight of one of the most exciting featherweights in the world.. :(

You can't really blame HBO. It's very hard to promote a fight to an American audience where both fighters are not fully fluent in English or do not have some sort of flash or charisma. Marquez has a second rate Mexican following at best, his fans are the leftovers from Barrera, Morales, Castillo and others. As much as people want to believe that Pacquiao is popular in the United States, he is far from it, not on a national level. Prince Hamed was a huge ratings guy because of the flash, charisma, attitude and one punch KO ability.

There was a lot of talk over the Pacquiao-Marquez bout and the rematch should do much better in the TV ratings.

You can't really blame HBO. It's very hard to promote a fight to an American audience where both fighters are not fully fluent in English or do not have some sort of flash or charisma. Marquez has a second rate Mexican following at best, his fans are the leftovers from Barrera, Morales, Castillo and others. As much as people want to believe that Pacquiao is popular in the United States, he is far from it, not on a national level. Prince Hamed was a huge ratings guy because of the flash, charisma, attitude and one punch KO ability.

There was a lot of talk over the Pacquiao-Marquez bout and the rematch should do much better in the TV ratings.

yeah, you are right. i think the rematch will attract more viewers. did prince naseem hamed had really those big followers in the US? i know he is a yemeni, but also have been to the UK, so maybe, that helped the tv rating..americans and british watching...so as likened to kostya tzyu, who is from russia( am i right ) but now lives in australia..do you think this situations helped them..so if manny will settle in the US, do you think it will help his reputation grow higher?? :confused:

yes manny is one of the most exciting featherweights today..but I think HBO must be blamed also if the rating was not that good because they have all the machineries to promote a fight, not only to the home countries of those 2 people fighting but also to every part of the world. can they do that?? HBO is a media company, why not do like CNN doing in promnoting fights?? evry person who has an access to a television, can eventually know that there is a pay per view fight of one of the most exciting featherweights in the world.. :(

why should they spend more of thier money on pac-man than they do other fighters to promote a fight. personally i don't think manny is one of the most exciting fighters to watch. stylistically, while very effective, he is an ugly fighter. shame i couldn't see his last fight because it seems that he has added a few new weapons to his arsonal. in the fights i have seen pac in he has won on power and aggression, not boxing style and skills. personally i hope hbo does show pac fights. if he is fighting morales i don't think we will have a problem with that. but lets face it folks, pac man isn't that well known to the casual boxing fan. pac man needs the big name opponents to generate the kind of viewing audience hbo wants. and people wonder why its hard for him to get fights with the big names. he wants too much money. errrr murad does. i think another problem pac man has is that even though he has had the one fight with mab the general american boxing fan has not taken him in yet.

I think the main reason the ratings are low when Manny fights is because ALLLLL the filipinos (myself included) turn it into a feast and have one big party and watch it in one house.

why should they spend more of thier money on pac-man than they do other fighters to promote a fight. personally i don't think manny is one of the most exciting fighters to watch. stylistically, while very effective, he is an ugly fighter. shame i couldn't see his last fight because it seems that he has added a few new weapons to his arsonal. in the fights i have seen pac in he has won on power and aggression, not boxing style and skills. personally i hope hbo does show pac fights. if he is fighting morales i don't think we will have a problem with that. but lets face it folks, pac man isn't that well known to the casual boxing fan. pac man needs the big name opponents to generate the kind of viewing audience hbo wants. and people wonder why its hard for him to get fights with the big names. he wants too much money. errrr murad does. i think another problem pac man has is that even though he has had the one fight with mab the general american boxing fan has not taken him in yet.

that's your own opinion man, i respect it but i think these coming fights of manny will attract more viewers, as long as he keeps on winning, which i know he can do it.if he will join golden boy promotions, i think he'll have more chances in showcasing his wares, but i don't know how will oscar manages him, because he (oscar) is a latino by blood, and manny isn't..so oscar may favor his bloodmen..the fact that the featherweight division is full of mexicans...

I think the main reason the ratings are low when Manny fights is because ALLLLL the filipinos (myself included) turn it into a feast and have one big party and watch it in one house.


ha.ha.ha. yeah man, maybe you are right, because we filipinos have that tendency to watch a fight specially if we consider the person a national treasure (manny), and so also goes the betting, hehe, if the show is live , of course,... :D :D

put Pacman on Showtime with Corrales or on ESPN with Diaz

remember no one really knew JMM and many didnt care or thoguht his win against mab was a fluke (mann paquiao)...but i bet no matter what...cuz word got out on these 2 and their great fight...no matter where/time they fight...next time it will attract a lot of attention

wtf?
howd ya guys arrive at the conclusion that hbo dont like manny
or dont think hes good for the sport
they fukin love him
hes great for the true fans
all they are sayin is
Hey doesnt appeal to the regular person, yet..

u guys are fukin krazee
its not hbos fault
this fight was promoted same as any other
it just didnt grab peoples attntion
not cuz hbo didnt want them to watch
but becuz both manny and marquez are new
new in a division ruled by barrera and morales
atleast back then

I think the main reason the ratings are low when Manny fights is because ALLLLL the filipinos (myself included) turn it into a feast and have one big party and watch it in one house.
so its al ur faults!!!!
lmao
funniests hit ive heard
even if all the filipino homes tunned it
it wouldnt be somethin huge
their like a state here
we have fighters all da time with whole cities watchen them
the filipines aint the huge thats its gonna create the biggest ratings ever

I think the main reason the ratings are low when Manny fights is because ALLLLL the filipinos (myself included) turn it into a feast and have one big party and watch it in one house.
hahahaha 2 funny, why should hbo go all out on manny when hes not a fighter of hbo, just cuz you guys treat him like Ali in the phillipines, hes not the Ali figure around the U.S, before Barrera and J.M.M. no one cared about him in the states and i doubt hes making a lot of noise in europe, give the guy some time or he should get a new promoter maybe G.B.promotions :D

Manny Pacquiao is a household name, just not in your household.

Manny Pacquiao is a household name, just not in your household.
and everyone outside the phillipines

and everyone outside the phillipines
In Jersey City and San Fransisco he's a household name.

In Jersey City and San Fransisco he's a household name.
not sure im in cali and im pretty sure no one here knows him, the guy had just 2 fights televised in HBO from what i know, for example, if juan diaz goes over to fight in the phillipines, and its televised there, would it get high ratings? give it some time its no ones fault, especially not HBO's

According to this article at this site, http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/mnlastd/?page=sports01_dec23_2004

Davis said that while Pacquiao may be a big draw in the Philippines, he was a disappointment in terms of HBO TV ratings and his last fight against Marquez “rated only 4.5 percent,” which Davis disclosed was below the HBO standard of “no less than 6 percent.”

He said fighters who “fail to get the required ratings on HBO are scheduled on Boxing After Dark” which is regarded as a lower level boxing program where the total purse for both fighters is only some $500,000 to $600,000.

That really sucks. The most entertaining Featherweight and one of most entertaining boxers ever, period, and he's getting called a disappointment? That is really bad to hear. I thought HBO was all giddy for Manny(well as long as he beat Marquez), looks like they aren't. :(
It doesn't matter to HBO who the fighters are or where they comne from. All they care about is profits which comes from good ratings. But they are terribly wrong and unfair if they are taking the first Pacman-JMM as a gauge for the next bout. The situation now is totally different than the last time. Pacman has since become the most sensational and exciting fighter today so the next fight with JMM would absolutely be a smash hit to fans. HBO doesn't have to be that stupid!

Manny Pacquiao is a household name, just not in your household.
then hes not a house hold name is he?
no
hes a fighter who has his fans
just like any other
hes nothin amazin yet
In Jersey City and San Fransisco he's a household name.
ur not helpen manny
hes a household name in da filipines, jersey city, and san francisco
lmao

then hes not a house hold name is he?
no
hes a fighter who has his fans
just like any other
hes nothin amazin yet

ur not helpen manny
hes a household name in da filipines, jersey city, and san francisco
lmao
You obviously are not understanding the wit of the comment, are you? The statement "He's a household name, just not in you're household" is referring to the ethnic divisions that are a detriment to boxing. Boxing is really a cult sport that survives on the hispanic fans and smaller ethnic support.

not sure im in cali and im pretty sure no one here knows him, the guy had just 2 fights televised in HBO from what i know, for example, if juan diaz goes over to fight in the phillipines, and its televised there, would it get high ratings? give it some time its no ones fault, especially not HBO's
San Fransisco has a high Filipino population, as does Jersey City.

You obviously are not understanding the wit of the comment, are you? The statement "He's a household name, just not in you're household" is referring to the ethnic divisions that are a detriment to boxing. Boxing is really a cult sport that survives on the hispanic fans and smaller ethnic support.
ofcourse i know that
and i was sayin that he isnt a houslehod name anywhere
he just has hardcore fans
and people that have heard of him

but hes not a household name

but hes not a household name
He is to Filipinos.

no featherweight is a house hold name

no featherweight is a house hold name
You obviously aren't mexican.

no featherweight is a house hold name
say that to Hamed, Barrera and Morales

He is to Filipinos.
then hes not a household name!!
filipinos are not all households
hes not household
he mainley appeals to filipinos
thats not household
understand
im not sayin hes not good
just he doesnt have some major appeal to reg people

then hes not a household name!!
filipinos are not all households
hes not household
he mainley appeals to filipinos
thats not household
understand
im not sayin hes not good
just he doesnt have some major appeal to reg people
You still don't get it? I'm talking about the sectarianism in boxing, how he is big to a small minority, but because of boxings decline in popularity, he isn't well known. It's like when Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others." Get it?

Who the fuk is pacquio?

Who the fuk is pacquio?
This is what I mean.

You still don't get it? I'm talking about the sectarianism in boxing, how he is big to a small minority, but because of boxings decline in popularity, he isn't well known. It's like when Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others." Get it?
ok
gotcha now

then hes not a house hold name is he?
no
hes a fighter who has his fans
just like any other
hes nothin amazin yet

ur not helpen manny
hes a household name in da filipines, jersey city, and san francisco
lmao
He's household name even here in Canada!!!!

He's household name even here in Canada!!!!
no no he isnt
boxing fans know him
thats not a household name
house hold names are guys that people know, even if they dont know a thing about boxing

wtf?
howd ya guys arrive at the conclusion that hbo dont like manny
or dont think hes good for the sport
they fukin love him
hes great for the true fans
all they are sayin is
Hey doesnt appeal to the regular person, yet..

u guys are fukin krazee
its not hbos fault
this fight was promoted same as any other
it just didnt grab peoples attntion
not cuz hbo didnt want them to watch
but becuz both manny and marquez are new
new in a division ruled by barrera and morales
atleast back then



for a rare moment I agree with abdiel :D

no no he isnt
boxing fans know him
thats not a household name
house hold names are guys that people know, even if they dont know a thing about boxing
Amigo, I think we have different meanings for the term "household name". We'll never get to agree on anything using this term. So I'll leave you to your own opinion.

i am in san francisco..and if ur not asian..know one knows him..i am latino and know him cuz i love boxing..but (blacks-white-and latinos) dont really know him well

People make a mistake when they think that just because a person is a certian nationality, they know a certain fighter.

I have a filipino family living next door and they barely heard of Pacquiao and have never watched him fight or Boxing for that matter.

I know plenty of Mexicans who know Chavez, they know Trinidad BUT...they have no idea who Morales, Barrera or JMM is.

I know hordes of Russians that never heard of Jirov, Tszyu, Salita or even the Klitschkos.

There is a big difference between a household name outside the U.S. and a household name within the U.S.

You round up all the Filipinos in America, subtract the number of those who know Pacquiao and then subtract the number of those who actually watch him fight. You can now see why the ratings are not as high. Don't get me wrong, the "CASUAL" boxing fan could care less about JMM, Barrera or Morales as well.

It is the "CASUAL" fan that makes a fighter cross over from a general name to hardcore fans like us, to a household name.

Lennox, De La Hoya, Jones, Tyson, Holyfield, Trinidad are known by CASUAL fans, the people that buy a pay per view once a year or watch one televised event a year and that is why these fighters had/have so many pay per view matches and make so much more money.

People make a mistake when they think that just because a person is a certian nationality, they know a certain fighter.

I have a filipino family living next door and they barely heard of Pacquiao and have never watched him fight or Boxing for that matter.

I know plenty of Mexicans who know Chavez, they know Trinidad BUT...they have no idea who Morales, Barrera or JMM is.

I know hordes of Russians that never heard of Jirov, Tszyu, Salita or even the Klitschkos.

There is a big difference between a household name outside the U.S. and a household name within the U.S.

You round up all the Filipinos in America, subtract the number of those who know Pacquiao and then subtract the number of those who actually watch him fight. You can now see why the ratings are not as high. Don't get me wrong, the "CASUAL" boxing fan could care less about JMM, Barrera or Morales as well.

It is the "CASUAL" fan that makes a fighter cross over from a general name to hardcore fans like us, to a household name.

Lennox, De La Hoya, Jones, Tyson, Holyfield, Trinidad are known by CASUAL fans, the people that buy a pay per view once a year or watch one televised event a year and that is why these fighters had/have so many pay per view matches and make so much more money.
see rick gets what im sayin
hes known well u filipinos
but hes not yet household
everyoens household
not just filipino households

yeah get what you guys mean, but it will take a lot before any figther to be household name say ALI, TYSON, DELAHOYA....

even guys like Morales & Barerra are not household names but big names for boxing fans....

PacMan is very popular to boxing fans now but to get more recognition he should first beat JMM then, EM and re-match MAB ....

see rick gets what im sayin
hes known well u filipinos
but hes not yet household
everyoens household
not just filipino households
ok now i know your point here...

some good karma for the good post... :D


look at your points

yeah get what you guys mean, but it will take a lot before any figther to be household name say ALI, TYSON, DELAHOYA....

even guys like Morales & Barerra are not household names but big names for boxing fans....

PacMan is very popular to boxing fans now but to get more recognition he should first beat JMM then, EM and re-match MAB ....
well
i neva called jmm, em , or mab
household names
id say more general boxing fans know them
but not casual boxing fans

well
i neva called jmm, em , or mab
household names
id say more general boxing fans know them
but not casual boxing fans

i never said you did...

but its true that MAB & EM are big names in boxing, thats the reason they are getting that much money for their fights
(3M each?)and the way for PAC to be bigger is to beat Erick first, then beat MAB again....

but to do this PAC has to get pass JMM first...

well
i neva called jmm, em , or mab
household names
id say more general boxing fans know them
but not casual boxing fans

what are you planning with your 29M, if your planning to give it away, i am always willing to receive some, he he he...

According to this article at this site, http://www.manilastandardonline.com:8080/mnlastd/?page=sports01_dec23_2004

Davis said that while Pacquiao may be a big draw in the Philippines, he was a disappointment in terms of HBO TV ratings and his last fight against Marquez “rated only 4.5 percent,” which Davis disclosed was below the HBO standard of “no less than 6 percent.”

He said fighters who “fail to get the required ratings on HBO are scheduled on Boxing After Dark” which is regarded as a lower level boxing program where the total purse for both fighters is only some $500,000 to $600,000.

That really sucks. The most entertaining Featherweight and one of most entertaining boxers ever, period, and he's getting called a disappointment? That is really bad to hear. I thought HBO was all giddy for Manny(well as long as he beat Marquez), looks like they aren't. :(


Well that's okay. HBO is protecting it's own interest . . . not anybody else. That's business. And let's admit it . . . . Manny is not that popular in U.S. yet. Not yet that's why he needs to beat JMM, MOrales and possiblY MAB AGAIN.

Manny may not be a household name...but really...in each sport theres maybe a handful of "household names" (i consider it a household name when a person not interested in any sport knows one of its players)...soccer has 1 (beckham) golf 1 (tiger)...NBA...maybe about 5...in boxing right now...MAYBE 2 with Roy Jones and De La Hoya...

To people complaining about low ratings....as a person that works for an advertising agency...all i have to say is promotion=ratings.

Manny may not be a household name...but really...in each sport theres maybe a handful of "household names" (i consider it a household name when a person not interested in any sport knows one of its players)...soccer has 1 (beckham) golf 1 (tiger)...NBA...maybe about 5...in boxing right now...MAYBE 2 with Roy Jones and De La Hoya...

To people complaining about low ratings....as a person that works for an advertising agency...all i have to say is promotion=ratings.

what the hbo guy was saying is a thing of the past. manny is more well-known now not only in the u.s. but in the major continents of the world. off course they wouldn't tell you that manny's popularity is on the steady rise, becasue it would out his company at a disadvantage and will give credence to manny's insistence of getting a higher purse.

his comment was therefore to protect hbo's interest (and murad's)
and didn't account of the recent events sourrounding pacman. but this is the fact, pacman is an asset to hbo and that's the reason why they are putting their money on manny. imho, pacman is one of the most exciting fighters at present and perhaps the only truly one who enjoys fighting on top of the ring no matter who the opponent is (within his weight class).

then hes not a house hold name is he?
no
hes a fighter who has his fans
just like any other
hes nothin amazin yet

ur not helpen manny
hes a household name in da filipines, jersey city, and san francisco
lmao
man! you talk like you know nothing about boxing. if you know boxing specially the featherweight division, you will not be calling Pacman, "like any other hes nothing amazing yet?!" if you know boxing, in a single fight you would know if the guy has nothing or has something. but in the case of Pacman, its pretty obvious that anybody who watched him can tell that he is an exciting fighter. i dunno what kinda viewer would not think so...

man! you talk like you know nothing about boxing. if you know boxing specially the featherweight division, you will not be calling Pacman, "like any other hes nothing amazing yet?!" if you know boxing, in a single fight you would know if the guy has nothing or has something. but in the case of Pacman, its pretty obvious that anybody who watched him can tell that he is an exciting fighter. i dunno what kinda viewer would not think so...
holy ****
its the pac nut hugger
its back......

***** i didnt sayin he wasnt excitin
jus that hes not a household name
we arent arguring if boxing fans know him
ofcourse we do u idiot
were talkin about reg casual fans
people who watch boxing every now and then
they dont know him

like any other hes nothing amazing yet
and i meant he doesnt grab reg peoples attention
amazing in his drawin power

holy ****
its the pac nut hugger
its back......

***** i didnt sayin he wasnt excitin
jus that hes not a household name
we arent arguring if boxing fans know him
ofcourse we do u idiot
were talkin about reg casual fans
people who watch boxing every now and then
they dont know him

like any other hes nothing amazing yet
and i meant he doesnt grab reg peoples attention
amazing in his drawin power
hey, moron! no matter how much you try to make excuses for this words ---> (like any other hes nothing amazing yet against Pacman, you still sounded like a newbie in boxing. i was not commenting on all your arguements except for that part of your comment. now, if you think by calling someone ***** or idiot would make you look like you know something, then maybe you can add more in every posts you make coz i can see that that is where you get your self-esteem. i can clearly see how you got educated and how you get your knowledge... :cool:

holy ****
its the pac nut hugger
its back......

***** i didnt sayin he wasnt excitin
jus that hes not a household name
we arent arguring if boxing fans know him
ofcourse we do u idiot
were talkin about reg casual fans
people who watch boxing every now and then
they dont know him

like any other hes nothing amazing yet
and i meant he doesnt grab reg peoples attention
amazing in his drawin power

give pac another year and a fair chance to beat the 3m's...then he will not only be amazin to you but to all latino boxing followers as well! feliz navidad amigo! :)

give pac another year and a fair chance to beat the 3m's...then he will not only be amazin to you but to all latino boxing followers as well! feliz navidad amigo! :)
once again
im not talkin about being amazin skill wise
we all know he can fight
i was talkin about an amazin draw
becuz we were talkin about him being a household name
dats all
i was sayin hes nothin amazin in being a house hold name

hey, moron! no matter how much you try to make excuses for this words ---> (like any other hes nothing amazing yet against Pacman, you still sounded like a newbie in boxing. i was not commenting on all your arguements except for that part of your comment. now, if you think by calling someone ***** or idiot would make you look like you know something, then maybe you can add more in every posts you make coz i can see that that is where you get your self-esteem. i can clearly see how you got educated and how you get your knowledge... :cool:
lmao
what a nerd
i aint even respnden to your fruity ass post like this no more

once again
im not talkin about being amazin skill wise
we all know he can fight
i was talkin about an amazin draw
becuz we were talkin about him being a household name
dats all
i was sayin hes nothin amazin in being a house hold name

got yah...nice reply. :)

holy crap evo is back!

anyway...yeah pac was not weell known..but is now..so point is..this time around he will get a better rating no matter what...he is exciting (thats true)...