I think Wlad will be the next Champion. He still has very good chance. He is an intelligent, bright offensive fighter. He is very exciting to watch. He has Manny's training support to learn how to defend himself, just as Lewis did. And he has amazing fans, like Tatyana, supporting him. Wlad will be the winner.

Don't go bashing me bacause I support Wlad. I am a bigger fan of Vassily Jirov. He's got the heart, boxing skills, and the drive, but I think he is better off moving to light heavies, where he won the olympic gold. ;)

i dont think wlad will be the next champ even if he does win his next fight. sooner or later a big punch will land on his chin, sending wlad to the canvas for the ten count.

i dont think wlad will be the next champ even if he does win his next fight. sooner or later a big punch will land on his chin, sending wlad to the canvas for the ten count.

Lennox got punched out by a single punch twice, but he came back every time to reclaim the title. This can happen to Wlad too.

Yeah Wlad has talent, but he's missing somethings

Like

1. A Chin

2. A Heart

3. Stamina

I think these things are gonna hold him back...you know just a lil.

i dont think wlad will be the next champ even if he does win his next fight. sooner or later a big punch will land on his chin, sending wlad to the canvas for the ten count.

Funny how Wlad has never been KO'd yet Roidless Jones has been KO'd twice.

Yeah Wlad has talent, but he's missing somethings
Like
1. A Chin
2. A Heart
3. Stamina


He is the Olympic Champion. Only the guys who have chin, heart, and stamina become Olympic Champions.

Yeah Wlad has talent, but he's missing somethings

Like

1. A Chin

2. A Heart

3. Stamina

I think these things are gonna hold him back...you know just a lil.

1 and 3 i agree with but he has heart I mean he was getting destroyed by Sanders and kept getting up. The ref stopped it. In the Purrity fight his corner threw the towel in. Brewster well he basically was exhausted. But yeah never be a champ with no chin. His stamina fine he went 12 rnds alot. He was just all freeked out in his last fight. So actually only number 1, but hey if he worx on his defense you never know. But, I think Sanders has ruined him forever.

wlad in no lennox. lennox was a very skilled heavyweight and had good stamina and knew how to finish a fighter. wlad shoud have beaten brewster, he even had brewster down but didnt have the stamina or killer instinct a champion has.

wlad in no lennox. lennox was a very skilled heavyweight and had good stamina and knew how to finish a fighter. wlad shoud have beaten brewster, he even had brewster down but didnt have the stamina or killer instinct a champion has.

Manny Stewart thinks otherwise.

Wlad is an Olympic Champion. In Europe and other parts of the world this means as much as being the WBC champion.

i like jirov and he can hit hard... yall got to remember that its five pounds for evey inch of height, so wlad is what 6'7 ,thats 6 inches taller so if he was jirovs height he would weigh 210 ..but he is better condition then jirov to if jirov got up to 225 he was 212 for his last fight he will be extremely dangerous.more then toney cuz jirov can hit.. unless he fights a tyson or tua someone shorter then him and bigger and quicker

TOS anint a easy fight for wlad only reason he lost to mesi was becuase he tought mesi and thought it would be an easy fight.. he has a whole new deication and can hit real hard it should be a great fight

Wlad won't be the "next" champ because there's at least 3 guys in front of him - 1 per belt that Vitali doesn't hold - and then 3 or 4 more because Wlad isn't going to get a shot til he wins more than one fight vs. Williamson.

We will see saturday how much of Wlad remains. A confident Wlad can lay waist to the division, A timid Wlad will be laid to rest.

We will see saturday how much of Wlad remains. A confident Wlad can lay waist to the division, A timid Wlad will be laid to rest.


We will see a confident Wlad.

He is the Olympic Champion. Only the guys who have chin, heart, and stamina become Olympic Champions.
Well.. After his losses and the Brewster fight, it seems as though he has temporarily lost those things.
Maybe I'm wrong.
What do you think?

Manny Stewart thinks otherwise.

Wlad is an Olympic Champion. In Europe and other parts of the world this means as much as being the WBC champion.
Lately, I don't give a **** about what Stewart says or thinks.

What do you all think will happen if Wlad becomes a mandatory for Vitali?

Well.. After his losses and the Brewster fight, it seems as though he has temporarily lost those things.
Maybe I'm wrong.
What do you think?


If he had them at some point, he can have them again.

Lately, I don't give a **** about what Stewart says or thinks.


That's fine.

What do you all think will happen if Wlad becomes a mandatory for Vitali?


That won't happen.

That won't happen.
Why not?
What do you think would take place if it did happen?

Why not?
What do you think would take place if it did happen?


They made a promise to their mother not to fight each other. I think that in the past, when it came close to being top-ranked by the same organization, one of them always gave way for the other.

Plus, I think that WBC, for instance, will consult with both brothers before making them face each other.

They made a promise to their mother not to fight each other. I think that in the past, when it came close to being top-ranked by the same organization, one of them always gave way for the other.

Plus, I think that WBC, for instance, will consult with both brothers before making them face each other.
I know of that promise.
But since Vitali seems to be the only one to unify all the titles, and Wlad eventually will get a title.
They will have to face each other at some point and I doubt the WBC or any of the other owners of the boxing titles care about their promise.

So if they do fight, who would win and why?

I know of that promise.
But since Vitali seems to be the only one to unify all the titles, and Wlad eventually will get a title.
They will have to face each other at some point and I doubt the WBC or any of the other owners of the boxing titles care about their promise.

So if they do fight, who would win and why?


They will box but make sure that they don't KO each other. It'll go to scorecards. Wlad will significantly outbox Vitaly and take all of his 4 belts away. This will happen when Vitaly is 36 ...

Shoot, now I feel like that indian story-teller from the Smoke Signals. ;)

They will box but make sure that they don't KO each other. It'll go to scorecards. Wlad will significantly outbox Vitaly and take all of his 4 belts away. This will happen when Vitaly is 36 ...

Shoot, now I feel like that indian story-teller from the Smoke Signals. ;)
lol The fans will be pissed with that type of match.
Hopefully they decide to respect each other and not go easy on each other and actually go all out.
That would be a great fight.
Now if that happened, who would win and why?

lol The fans will be pissed with that type of match.
Hopefully they decide to respect each other and not go easy on each other and actually go all out.
That would be a great fight.
Now if that happened, who would win and why?

I don't know.

I don't know.
Is it because you really don't know?
Or is it because you like both fighters and don't want to pick one over the other?

Is it because you really don't know?
Or is it because you like both fighters and don't want to pick one over the other?

I think it is the second, and I won't say much more. ;)

I think it is the second, and I won't say much more.
lol Fine. :p

when will people understand that Wlad just does not have it inside of him to be a world champion?

when will people understand that Wlad just does not have it inside of him to be a world champion?

Wlad will become the champion. :cool:

when will people understand that Wlad just does not have it inside of him to be a world champion?


when will people understand that your mommy used to put her thumb up your ass every time there was a touchdown in the superbowl replays she wached, when you was a little kid..

Does it run in the family? Huh, blondie? Huh?

Hey Dr. Cynical,

I like your new avatar a lot, but the wicked face of the guy on the avatar reminds me Michael Jackson. :p


Nautilus

Stamina is something that can be improved.

Big brother beats him down like he did in the playground as a kid

Big brother beats him down like he did in the playground as a kid


I doubt that this ever happened. Vitaly is 4 years older, too big a difference to fight his younger brother.

i dont think wlad will be the next champ even if he does win his next fight. sooner or later a big punch will land on his chin, sending wlad to the canvas for the ten count.


Actually, bro, that could happen to any boxer. Not just Wlad.

Yeah Wlad has talent, but he's missing somethings

Like

1. A Chin

2. A Heart

3. Stamina

I think these things are gonna hold him back...you know just a lil.


You're wrong on all three counts, dumbass.

wlad in no lennox. lennox was a very skilled heavyweight and had good stamina and knew how to finish a fighter. wlad shoud have beaten brewster, he even had brewster down but didnt have the stamina or killer instinct a champion has.


Wlad's stamina wasnt an issue. He was drugged. Anyone could see. Get your head out of your ass.

I think you mean lay "waste". And he will.

when will people understand that Wlad just does not have it inside of him to be a world champion?

We'll just have to pull this thread up when it DOES happen, wont we?

Yeah Wlad has talent, but he's missing somethings

Like

1. A Chin

2. A Heart

3. Stamina

I think these things are gonna hold him back...you know just a lil.


My thought's exactly. Wlad's career is all but over. Talk of being a champ seems's rediculous. Dominick Guinn only lost one fight and everyone wrote him off as a future prospect and he actually does have a chin. Why would anyone but his true fan's give Wlad a chance at being a champ?

Manny Stewart thinks otherwise.

Wlad is an Olympic Champion. In Europe and other parts of the world this means as much as being the WBC champion.

I'm sure Manny Steward is being paid WELL to 'think otherwise' too!

My thought's exactly. Wlad's career is all but over. Talk of being a champ seems's rediculous. Dominick Guinn only lost one fight and everyone wrote him off as a future prospect and he actually does have a chin. Why would anyone but his true fan's give Wlad a chance at being a champ?


Well. It is wrong to write off such a bright fighter after the loss we saw. It is wrong to write off Guin either, and it was wrong to write off Lennox after his second KO loss handed to him by just a single punch!

Wlad is the Olympic champion, and it means to me as much as being the WBC champion.

I'm sure Manny Steward is being paid WELL to 'think otherwise' too!

Well, it is not rational to pay Manny just to `think otherwise'.

The only way Wlad is the next great champ is if he goes on DLH's show and beats up all those amateur bums on the show. Maybe then, and only then, Wlad could be the next great champ.
Seriously though, they could probably kick his ass too.

The only way Wlad is the next great champ is if he goes on DLH's show and beats up all those amateur bums on the show. Maybe then, and only then, Wlad could be the next great champ.
Seriously though, they could probably kick his ass too.

Not bad; I think I'll have to give you some karma for that!! :D

It's being stingy again; I'll try again later ;)

The only way Wlad is the next great champ is if he goes on DLH's show and beats up all those amateur bums on the show. Maybe then, and only then, Wlad could be the next great champ.
Seriously though, they could probably kick his ass too.


Wlad will be the Champion. ;) Time will show.

Not bad; I think I'll have to give you some karma for that!! :D

It's being stingy again; I'll try again later ;)

Thanks. Its the thought that counts right? :)

Thanks. Its the thought that counts right? :)

Just tried again and it keep's saying that I must spread some more around before giving to you again. I've tried to give to Nautilus too and it say's the same thing. I'll keep trying ;)

Thanks alot Nautilus; I have been trying all day to send you good karma and just now discovered someone sent me bad karma cause I said Wlad wouldnt be champ again ....appreciate that

Hey Dr. Cynical,

I like your new avatar a lot, but the wicked face of the guy on the avatar reminds me Michael Jackson. :p


Nautilus
lol No way.
How does he remind you of that pedo?

Just tried again and it keep's saying that I must spread some more around before giving to you again. I've tried to give to Nautilus too and it say's the same thing. I'll keep trying ;)

Thanks alot Nautilus; I have been trying all day to send you good karma and just now discovered someone sent me bad karma cause I said Wlad wouldnt be champ again ....appreciate that


I never sent you any bad Karma ever. I just sent you some good Karma.

lol No way.
How does he remind you of that pedo?

He has the same pointy nose, eyes that look sideways, and the hair style. I am not sure, but I think I saw him wearing the same type of cap. And he is white too. :p

He has the same pointy nose, eyes that look sideways, and the hair style. I am not sure, but I think I saw him wearing the same type of cap. And he is white too. :p
lol Bastard... :p

lol Bastard... :p



I know ;)

when will people understand that your mommy used to put her thumb up your ass every time there was a touchdown in the superbowl replays she wached, when you was a little kid..

Does it run in the family? Huh, blondie? Huh?

Oh my god!! I have'nt seen combacks thats pathetic since Evo was here. That was just sad.

You're wrong on all three counts, dumbass.

Oh yeah Im way off base when I say Wlad has no stamina, no chin and no heart. I mean my god how on earth could I have ever come to think that of him. Thanks for pointing it for me. Now its just seems silly to think that of Wlad.

on a side note. I tried to give Tracy Karma, but then it tells me I need to spread it around so I start giving it out and now it tells me I have given to much. Im confused

Oh my god!! I have'nt seen combacks thats pathetic since Evo was here. Thats was just sad.



Oh yeah Im way off base when I say Wlad has no stamina, no chin and no heart. I mean my god how on earth could I have ever come to think that of him. Thanks for pointing it for me. Now its just seems silly to think that of Wlad.

on a side note. I tried to give Tracy Karma, but then it tells me I need to spread it around so I start giving it out and now it tells me I have given to much. Im confused

why do you bother to respond to this guy. i suppose it is fun, but i can't see it being fun.

Oh my god!! I have'nt seen combacks thats pathetic since Evo was here. That was just sad.



Oh yeah Im way off base when I say Wlad has no stamina, no chin and no heart. I mean my god how on earth could I have ever come to think that of him. Thanks for pointing it for me. Now its just seems silly to think that of Wlad.

on a side note. I tried to give Tracy Karma, but then it tells me I need to spread it around so I start giving it out and now it tells me I have given to much. Im confused

Same here Jose; I keep trying to give it to you and a couple others and it says I have to spread it around...well, I do that and it say's that I've given too much out and cant give more for 24 hrs...crazy :confused:

Wlad is the most offensively skilled heavy to come along in the last 30 years. Throw out the Sanders loss and your left with the early career loss to the hard assed Ross Purrity and the shady situation with Brewster. That's not nearly enough to write off a guy who destroyed Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline and many other good fighters. He is only 28 years old and the jury is still out on him. Tracylee might think that only his loyal fans would still say he has a chance. I say that only a true hater would dismiss a guy like Wlad at this point in time.

Wlad is the most offensively skilled heavy to come along in the last 30 years. Throw out the Sanders loss and your left with the early career loss to the hard assed Ross Purrity and the shady situation with Brewster. That's not nearly enough to write off a guy who destroyed Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline and many other good fighters. He is only 28 years old and the jury is still out on him. Tracylee might think that only his loyal fans would still say he has a chance. I say that only a true hater would dismiss a guy like Wlad at this point in time.

sigh...I dont HATE anyone, and I'm getting damn tired of people who have never met me telling me how I feel.

sigh...I dont HATE anyone, and I'm getting damn tired of people who have never met me telling me how I feel.


Do you like Wlad ? ;)

Wlad is the most offensively skilled heavy to come along in the last 30 years. Throw out the Sanders loss and your left with the early career loss to the hard assed Ross Purrity and the shady situation with Brewster. That's not nearly enough to write off a guy who destroyed Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline and many other good fighters. He is only 28 years old and the jury is still out on him.

I like this. I agree completely.

Do you like Wlad ? ;)

Just read her posts. She thinks that Manny is only training Wlad because he is paying him well, and Wlad's career is over at 28 when there are virtually no top heavyweights under 30. She hates Wlad.

Just read her posts. She thinks that Manny is only training Wlad because he is paying him well, and Wlad's career is over at 28 when there are virtually no top heavyweights under 30. She hates Wlad.

Maybe you have a point.

Tracee, do you hate or not hate, like or not like Wlad, and why ?

and Wlad's career is over at 28 when there are virtually no top heavyweights under 30.

This is exactly why I don't understand why people write off Wlad.
Wlad is a brilliant young fighter. He is the Olympic champion.

He lost his last fight, but someting was obviously wrong in that fight.

`No stamina' story does not fly, since he went even faster with Mercer. Maybe there was something wrong with preparation -- modern sports use nutrition and supplements that can heavily affect the energy levels at any given point. Kostya Tzyu felt victim to that in his fight with Phillips.

`No chin' story is nonsense. He certainly does have a good chin compared to Lennox. He does have a good chin compared to Byrd. He does have a good chin compared to Sanders, Rahman, and others. His chin is not granite, but he does have a good chin.

`No heart' story is garbage. I think he does have tremendous heart. He has never given up himself; in each of his losses the fight has been stopped by the referee or the coner.

He is the Olympic Champion. Only the guys who have chin, heart, and stamina become Olympic Champions.
Olympic Champs? ;) I'm sorry to dis-agree. Heart? Yes Chin? Yes But STAMINA? Not neccesarilly. Remember that they are amateurs, less rounds.

the nly reason wlad wont become champ and rein.he might become champ but the klits wont last... DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE NO LEGS 22 inches is the same as syd vanderpool syd vanderpool.. i think vlad is the best heavy offensively beside tyson.. but defensivelly with 22 inchhighs he wont be able to get in dog fights thats why im thinking danny williams might upset vitali if he leans on him and fghts a physical fight ..not just box ,, fight

Olympic Champs? ;) I'm sorry to dis-agree. Heart? Yes Chin? Yes But STAMINA? Not neccesarilly. Remember that they are amateurs, less rounds.


Even if stamina is a problem, I am sure Wlad has worked on it.

Regarding the "amateur" boxing, it is a somewhat different sport, but it is not amateur. There used to be a whole world outside the U.S. where "amateur" boxing was the only option, and all boxers in that sport were professional; they made living from this sport. There were many great boxers whom we know and respect that made that "amateur" sport great.

Neuraxis wrote: Funny how Wlad has never been KO'd yet Roidless Jones has been KO'd twice.

He has been stopped thrice. That's just as worse.
Betting that Wladdy will be stopped again by Touch of Sleep.

Rattled confidence, poor stamina and GLASS CHIN. perfect. :rolleyes:

the nly reason wlad wont become champ and rein.he might become champ but the klits wont last... DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE NO LEGS 22 inches is the same as syd vanderpool syd vanderpool.. i think vlad is the best heavy offensively beside tyson.. but defensivelly with 22 inchhighs he wont be able to get in dog fights thats why im thinking danny williams might upset vitali if he leans on him and fghts a physical fight ..not just box ,, fight

The relevant question is how much Wlad and Vitaly can squat.
The sheer volume of muscle is not so important. That's why Arnold never was and never could be the weight-lifting champion like Vlasov. There is a correlation between volume and power, but it is not as strong as one might think.

Rattled confidence, poor stamina and GLASS CHIN. perfect. :rolleyes:

Arguments please.

Wlad has been stopped thrice, twice in just over a year. Here's some money saying that Touch of Sleep will have Wladdy napping on the canvas.

Wlad has been stopped thrice, twice in just over a year. Here's some money saying that Touch of Sleep will have Wladdy napping on the canvas.

TOS will be out.

Neuraxis wrote: Funny how Wlad has never been KO'd yet Roidless Jones has been KO'd twice.

He has been stopped thrice. That's just as worse.
Betting that Wladdy will be stopped again by Touch of Sleep.

Just as worse. I don't see how.

TOS will be out partying after Wladdy is put to sleep and will quietly napping on the canvas.

That's what I would have said. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

That's what I would have said. Thanks for saving me the trouble.


You bore me. I will ignore you.

Arguments please.

You're only as good as your last fight. Make that 2 fights. :)

I don't need to be redundant and quote all the posters in this thread nautilus.

You're only as good as your last fight. Make that 2 fights. :)

I don't need to be redundant and quote all the posters in this thread nautilus.

Two fights? Wlad TKO'd Nicholson two fights ago.

Even if stamina is a problem, I am sure Wlad has worked on it.

Regarding the "amateur" boxing, it is a somewhat different sport, but it is not amateur. There used to be a whole world outside the U.S. where "amateur" boxing was the only option, and all boxers in that sport were professional; they made living from this sport. There were many great boxers whom we know and respect that made that "amateur" sport great.
Hey I don't have problem with that arguement, amateur or proffesional that's still boxing and I love both. I only mentioned that, to point out that difference in STAMINA requirements in order to be a champ in the amateur ranks than in the PRO.

You are as good as your last fight, thanks Mai. Looking at Wlad's conquests after his defeat to Corrie Sanders, Nicholson and Moli don't count; they're not even in the third tier.

Klitschko blew it when he gassed out against Brewster. Don't tell me he was drugged now.

You're only as good as your last fight. Make that 2 fights. :)

I don't need to be redundant and quote all the posters in this thread nautilus.


Don't. We just like your avatar, and not your arguments. :)

Hey I don't have problem with that arguement, amateur or proffesional that's still boxing and I love both. I only mentioned that, to point out that difference in STAMINA requirements in order to be a champ in the amateur ranks than in the PRO.

Perfectly agree.

The relevant question is how much Wlad and Vitaly can squat.
The sheer volume of muscle is not so important. That's why Arnold never was and never could be the weight-lifting champion like Vlasov. There is a correlation between volume and power, but it is not as strong as one might think.

believe me i dont think they squat at all 22 inches is nothiing at heavy weight..there hasnt been a heavyweight champion with legs that small since tony tucker and before that the early 40s

Squatting has more to do with weightlifting than boxing. And muscles won't stop TOS from KTFO'ing Wlad.

Example: Tito and Joppy. Joppy had muscles, Tito knocked him out.

Arguments? What arguments?

believe me i dont think they squat at all 22 inches is nothiing at heavy weight..there hasnt been a heavyweight champion with legs that small since tony tucker and before that the early 40s

You may be right, but I'll present a differing point of view.

I seriously did weightlifting at some point. I was a champion of my home city, the third largest city in Russia, by the age of 20. (I quit at 20 to go to US for my PhD). I have seen couple of very slim guys who could really LIFT ! They had no thighs but they could really LIFT; somehow they did not need large muscles to do that. I think Wlad and Vit have that "slim" body type. They do not have large muscles compared to Tyson, but I think they are strong. ;)

Squatting has more to do with weightlifting than boxing. And muscles won't stop TOS from KTFO'ing Wlad.

Example: Tito and Joppy. Joppy had muscles, Tito knocked him out.

Arguments? What arguments?
you need both the skill and the muscles if you just have muscles youll always lose to skill but if you have both then you can be great.. i think its more likely that williams beat vitali

you need both the skill and the muscles if you just have muscles youll always lose to skill but if you have both then you can be great.. i think its more likely that williams beat vitali


It will be over in 2 rounds, just like with K. Johnson. K. Johnson had high-volume thighs, and that did help him drop on his bottom smoothly. :p

Funny how Wlad has never been KO'd yet Roidless Jones has been KO'd twice.

typical of what a wlad fanboy would say :rolleyes: a tko stands for technical KNOCKOUT :cool:

typical of what a wlad fanboy would say :rolleyes: a tko stands for technical KNOCKOUT :cool:

He's never been knocked out by a single punch. I think that's what Neuraxis meant. :cool:

If you want to be technical, fine. If a boxer wins by KO/TKO, it still counts on the "win by knockout" total of a fighter's record.

Example: Tito is 41-1 with 34 knockouts. He didn't win all 34 by "KO", some by KO and some by TKO. But they are statistically the same.

^^^it may be what he meant but it is not what he wrote. wlad has been tko'ed and iam assuming he is in his prime. roy was never tko'ed in his prime and was only recently knocked out at the age of 35 , which is old for any fighter let alone one that has been fighting for at least 25 years (since he was six i believe).

this is directed toward nautilus.

^^^it may be what he meant but it is not what he wrote. wlad has been tko'ed and iam assuming he is in his prime. roy was never tko'ed in his prime and was only recently knocked out at the age of 35 , which is old for any fighter let alone one that has been fighting for at least 25 years (since he was six i believe).
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OK, let's leave out RJJ whom I respect deeply for beating Hopkins and Toney. Lennox got knocked out twice by a single punch. That never happenned to Wlad. ;)

whether its one punch or 10 punches either way wlad has been stopped.

whether its one punch or 10 punches either way wlad has been stopped.

yes he was.

Enough. We will see Saturday night if Wlad still belongs in the title picture. Showtime is showing it for free (if you have the subscription).

But a good PPV (if there is such a thing) awaits in Tito vs. Mayo.

boxing should be brought back to network tv. in what other sport do you have to pay to see big games or matches? none. people like don king are bringing down the sport for personal gain.**** ppv

oh bye the way wlad will lose :D

boxing should be brought back to network tv. in what other sport do you have to pay to see big games or matches? none. people like don king are bringing down the sport for personal gain.**** ppv

oh bye the way wlad will lose :D

Wlad will win. Our hearts know that. :cool:

^^^ mine says he will lose

^^^ mine says he will lose


Wlad will win, because Tatyana told me so. Whatever she tells me always comes true. Tatyana is an angel.

well then this could be the first time she is wrong then :D

well then this could be the first time she is wrong then :D


My heart tells me she is not wrong. :p

:cool: we'll see friday

:cool: we'll see friday

saturday, you mean :cool:

yeah im tried :p

yeah im tried :p


oki-doki, then. ;)

Just read her posts. She thinks that Manny is only training Wlad because he is paying him well, and Wlad's career is over at 28 when there are virtually no top heavyweights under 30. She hates Wlad.

It's very presumptious of you to tell anyone how they "feel". Having a different opinion on your beloved fighter doesnt make me a hater. Believe it or not, just cause I dont worship him and have blind faith in him does not mean I hate him. Dont presume to tell me or anyone else how I feel ok? I dont do it to you...I dont know you and have no idea who you love or hate; same goes for me where you are concerned. Thank you.

It's very presumptious of you to tell anyone how they "feel". Having a different opinion on your beloved fighter doesnt make me a hater. Believe it or not, just cause I dont worship him and have blind faith in him does not mean I hate him. Dont presume to tell me or anyone else how I feel ok? I dont do it to you...I dont know you and have no idea who you love or hate; same goes for me where you are concerned. Thank you.

Tracylee, I am sure Neuraxis did not mean to offend you. Neuraxis is really a good guy. I think Klitschko fans are just a little puzzled why there are non haters that will actually go out of their way to say negative things about the Klitschkos and make fun of them. Neuraxis also probably doesn't like anyone presuming how Emanual Steward thinks, unless it is the absolute truth. Who knows, maybe I am wrong about how Neuraxis thinks. I should not presume either.

Tracylee, I am sure Neuraxis did not mean to offend you. Neuraxis is really a good guy. I think Klitschko fans are just a little puzzled why there are non haters that will actually go out of their way to say negative things about the Klitschkos and make fun of them. Neuraxis also probably doesn't like anyone presuming how Emanual Steward thinks, unless it is the absolute truth. Who knows, maybe I am wrong about how Neuraxis thinks. I should not presume either.

The thing is, I'm not going out of my way to say negative thing's or make fun of them; I'm doing what I do at this boxing forum and that is post my opinion, be it good or bad. If their fan's wouldnt always put me on the defense there is some positive thing's that I could say about them (example: the recognition they've brought to the Ukraine, etc..) I dont target the Klitschko's; I post what I think about other boxer's too, but if some of it is negative their fan's dont jump on me and accuse me of hating all the time. It's silly; it's like I have to either love them or hate them. It's neither for me.
And what I meant was Manny Steward would be a fool NOT to take their money, now wouldnt he?

The thing is, I'm not going out of my way to say negative thing's or make fun of them; I'm doing what I do at this boxing forum and that is post my opinion, be it good or bad. If their fan's wouldnt always put me on the defense there is some positive thing's that I could say about them (example: the recognition they've brought to the Ukraine, etc..) I dont target the Klitschko's; I post what I think about other boxer's too, but if some of it is negative their fan's dont jump on me and accuse me of hating all the time. It's silly; it's like I have to either love them or hate them. It's neither for me.
And what I meant was Manny Steward would be a fool NOT to take their money, now wouldnt he?

I don't know Tracylee. Who knows if he is in it for money, or for wanting to create one more champion. I can't answer that question, I don't want to presume anything. But, I do hope Emanual Steward is there to create one more champion.

I don't know Tracylee. Who knows if he is in it for money, or for wanting to create one more champion. I can't answer that question, I don't want to presume anything. But, I do hope Emanual Steward is there to create one more champion.

Me too; just understand he's not doing it for free. Anyway, the rest of what I said I stand by; but sent you good karma for atleast not jumping on me and accusing me of hating :)

I like this campaign.

with Emanuel Steward, Wlad will be better, whether he ends up being champion or not, he needs to build himself back up, and Manny knows all about that. he did it for Lennox, he will do it for wlad. He looked good in his last fight, until he turned pale and passed out. brewster didnt beat him, brewster was taking a severe beating, so i dont think anyone should judge Manny because of that fight. the truth will be found out tonight, someone's getting knocked out, i just hope its not Wlad.

It will be over in 2 rounds, just like with K. Johnson. K. Johnson had high-volume thighs, and that did help him drop on his bottom smoothly. :p
kirk johnsons thighs arent that big and he was obese in the fight

^^^ very obese he was 262 pounds thats like 20 pounds higher than his second highest weight. johnson should come in at 225-230 to be succesfull

It's very presumptious of you to tell anyone how they "feel". Having a different opinion on your beloved fighter doesnt make me a hater. Believe it or not, just cause I dont worship him and have blind faith in him does not mean I hate him. Dont presume to tell me or anyone else how I feel ok? I dont do it to you...I dont know you and have no idea who you love or hate; same goes for me where you are concerned. Thank you.

I'm sorry but saying the things you said about Manny can't make you anything else but a hater. There is a difference between constructive criticism and plain hate. I take it you know little about Manny and the Klitschko's relationship.

Wlad will win, because Tatyana told me so. Whatever she tells me always comes true. Tatyana is an angel.

Is Tatyana still around these forums?

Oh my god!! I have'nt seen combacks thats pathetic since Evo was here. That was just sad.



Oh yeah Im way off base when I say Wlad has no stamina, no chin and no heart. I mean my god how on earth could I have ever come to think that of him. Thanks for pointing it for me. Now its just seems silly to think that of Wlad.

on a side note. I tried to give Tracy Karma, but then it tells me I need to spread it around so I start giving it out and now it tells me I have given to much. Im confused

How do you give Karma?

Is Tatyana still around these forums?


Tatyana will not be around this forum any more. I think this will be good for her. This place is not good for angels. My first message in this thread was my way of saying Goodbye to her.
:)

How do you give Karma?


You just click on the Karma button of the user you want to give it to. Then you pick good or bad Karma.

I never give bad Karma, I only give good Karma or don't give at all. It is silly, but it is fun.

I'm sorry but saying the things you said about Manny can't make you anything else but a hater. There is a difference between constructive criticism and plain hate. I take it you know little about Manny and the Klitschko's relationship.

All I said was that he was being well paid; guess that was wrong and he's training them for free, huh? So, with that you've decided I'm a hater, for that's all I CAN be.....whatever you say; I love debating with anyone BUT Klitschko fans (wonder why; I'm sure it CAN only be hate, right?) I think I would know better than you what I like, dislike, love and hate. Dont you?
What I DO hate is for someone that's never met me, and never will, to try and tell me what I feel. Glad you told me; I never knew. :rolleyes:

All I said was that he was being well paid; guess that was wrong and he's training them for free, huh? So, with that you've decided I'm a hater, for that's all I CAN be.....whatever you say; I love debating with anyone BUT Klitschko fans (wonder why; I'm sure it CAN only be hate, right?) I think I would know better than you what I like, dislike, love and hate. Dont you?
What I DO hate is for someone that's never met me, and never will, to try and tell me what I feel. Glad you told me; I never knew. :rolleyes:


I think Tracy is cool, and I like arguing with her, although I think last time I argued with her was in April...? Or maybe I never even argued, can't remember. :cool:

All I said was that he was being well paid; guess that was wrong and he's training them for free, huh? So, with that you've decided I'm a hater, for that's all I CAN be.....whatever you say; I love debating with anyone BUT Klitschko fans (wonder why; I'm sure it CAN only be hate, right?) I think I would know better than you what I like, dislike, love and hate. Dont you?
What I DO hate is for someone that's never met me, and never will, to try and tell me what I feel. Glad you told me; I never knew. :rolleyes:

Nice try, if that was all you had said I would not have had any problem with it. But that's not what you said.
"I'm sure Manny Steward is being paid WELL to 'think otherwise' too!"

I think Tracy is cool, and I like arguing with her, although I think last time I argued with her was in April...? Or maybe I never even argued, can't remember. :cool:

I like you too and thanks! I cant remember when we argued either; maybe we should make an appointment to do just that?? :p :) I'm too exhausted to do it right now; I've just returned from treating my daughter to a movie, the arcade and dinner; she deserved it after being sick all week. Now I need a break! :eek:

Nice try, if that was all you had said I would not have had any problem with it. But that's not what you said.
"I'm sure Manny Steward is being paid WELL to 'think otherwise' too!"

NIce try?? According to whom? You? Pardon the hell out of me if I dont word my sentences just the way you like! And pardon me for not caring if you like the way I word them to begin with. What is your problem? I just logged in for the first time since this morning and your whining about my sentences and telling me I'm so full of hate. Are you just bored or what?

NIce try?? According to whom? You? Pardon the hell out of me if I dont word my sentences just the way you like! And pardon me for not caring if you like the way I word them to begin with. What is your problem? I just logged in for the first time since this morning and your whining about my sentences and telling me I'm so full of hate. Are you just bored or what?

This isn't that difficult. You are implying that Manny is only doing it for the money which is rather insulting to Manny and the Klitschkos. Manny has been friends with the Klitschkos since he met them during the 1996 Olympics. Manny used to commentate for a lot of Wlad's fights. He was really over the top in his praising of Wlad during his fights. He said that he would training Wladimir if he didn't have LL. He also said that Wlad has a better straight right and hook than Lewis.

I'm too exhausted to do it right now; I've just returned from treating my daughter to a movie, the arcade and dinner; she deserved it after being sick all week. Now I need a break! :eek:

I am exhausted too :). My 2 year old has had a flue all week. My wife and I took him to a huge toy store "Toys for Us" today. Then he likes all kinds of machines, so we took him to another shop where there are many machines and appliances. Right now I have to work because I have to give three talks in a row at U of Chicago this month. :eek:

This isn't that difficult. You are implying that Manny is only doing it for the money which is rather insulting to Manny and the Klitschkos. Manny has been friends with the Klitschkos since he met them during the 1996 Olympics. Manny used to commentate for a lot of Wlad's fights. He was really over the top in his praising of Wlad during his fights. He said that he would training Wladimir if he didn't have LL. He also said that Wlad has a better straight right and hook than Lewis.


Well, the only thing that will make you happy MAYBE is to say "good for you, good for Wlad, good for Manny, good for the whole world" ...unlike you, I have other thing's to do than analyze someone's words down to splitting hairs. If I insulted you by IMPLYING anything that upset your applecart then deal with it. You dont have to like my posts or opinions; I sure dont like all of yours, but I dont make a federal case out of them either. What do you want, an apology? If so, keep wanting...it'll be a while.

Geeze, what a joke. I've got a boxing match to watch...I do hope you find someone else to nitpick though; best of luck with that.

I am exhausted too :). My 2 year old has had a flue all week. My wife and I took him to a huge toy store "Toys for Us" today. Then he likes all kinds of machines, so we took him to another shop where there are many machines and appliances. Right now I have to work because I have to give three talks in a row at U of Chicago this month. :eek:

Well I hope yours get's to feeling much better soon. NOthing is as depressing as your babe being sick I know :confused:

*bump* wow :omfg:

Just wanna say that Wlad may be a titleholder but he is definately not undisputed or lineal champion.

nautilus how's your little kid doing?

Just wanna say that Wlad may be a titleholder but he is definately not undisputed or lineal champion.

Wladimir IS the champion at HW. He has the linear, RING, WBO, IBF, and WBO titles. He also should be the WBA champion, since Chagaev was the rightful titleholder not Valuev.

If not for Vitali, he would be undisputed. But Vitali will retire at the end of this year.

Wladimir has a greater claim to being "undisputed" than Haye had at cruiserweight, since Wlad has defeated all the top HWs except Vitali. Haye ducked the best at CW: Cunningham, Adamek and G. Jones.

Just wanna say that Wlad may be a titleholder but he is definately not undisputed or lineal champion.

Of course he's lineal champion, you moron.

Props on the prediction to Nautilus BTW.

Wladimir IS the champion at HW. He has the linear, RING, WBO, IBF, and WBO titles. He also should be the WBA champion, since Chagaev was the rightful titleholder not Valuev.

If not for Vitali, he would be undisputed. But Vitali will retire at the end of this year.

Wladimir has a greater claim to being "undisputed" than Haye had at cruiserweight, since Wlad has defeated all the top HWs except Vitali. Haye ducked the best at CW: Cunningham, Adamek and G. Jones.

David Haye beat the best in Mormeck who was coming off a great win over O'neil Bell.
Guillermo Jones is ducking the sport of boxing and should be stripped off his belt. Mad overrated fighter.

David Gaye IMO ducked the two Klits but at CW he was a great champ.

David Haye beat the best in Mormeck who was coming off a great win over O'neil Bell.
Guillermo Jones is ducking the sport of boxing and should be stripped off his belt. Mad overrated fighter.

Poor Guillermo Jones wants to fight, but he's is a victim of old Don King "shelving" him.

But I agree he needs to be stripped, it's now 20 months since he's fought.

Poor Guillermo Jones wants to fight, but he's is a victim of old Don King "shelving" him.

But I agree he needs to be stripped, it's now 20 months since he's fought.

It's funny how Chagaev got stripped for BS reasons, while Guillermo Jones gets to keep his title even though he's not fought in forever.

It's funny how Chagaev got stripped for BS reasons, while Guillermo Jones gets to keep his title even though he's not fought in forever.

Exactly...

Don King fighters receive special treatment from the WBC and WBA.

Just wanna say that Wlad may be a titleholder but he is definately not undisputed or lineal champion.

Bull ****ing ****. Wlad IS THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION according to Ring Magazine and MOST people in the world.

Just wanna say that Wlad may be a titleholder but he is definately not undisputed or lineal champion.

ring champ= the champ dude

ring champ= the champ dude

Most definitely. Wlad is the current champion.