At least when I was in High School, I was taught that the core principles of the Republican Party and Conservativism were.....
-Strict Constructionism - Meaning: Sticking to the constitution. Not changing it unless absolutely necessary.
-Smaller Government - Keeping the bureacracy at the Federal Level as small as possible.
-State's Rights - Trying to localize as much government procedure as possible.
-Efficient Government Spending- Self explanatory.

Now using these principles, I will look at different Policies of this administration and show why they go AGAINST these values.

1 - Dept. Of Homeland Security - Instead of fixing the many dysfunctional bureacracies intended to keep this country safe (FBI, CIA, NSA etc.) This administration simply added another layer to the bureacracy that existed. This is an example of BIGGER GOVERNMENT folks.

2 - War in Iraq - Okay, here is an example of wasting tax money. Forget whether the war was necessary or not. The way money has been wasted in the process of this war is criminal. Yes halliburton I am talking about you. Having no bid contracts is NOT efficiently spending government money.

3 - Terri Schaivo - Everything about the government's intervention in this case was COMPLETELY unconstitutional.

4 - USA Patriot Act - UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! Damn near everything about it. Even the freakin Preamble.

At least when I was in High School, I was taught that the core principles of the Republican Party and Conservativism were.....
-Strict Constructionism - Meaning: Sticking to the constitution. Not changing it unless absolutely necessary.
-Smaller Government - Keeping the bureacracy at the Federal Level as small as possible.
-State's Rights - Trying to localize as much government procedure as possible.
-Efficient Government Spending- Self explanatory.

Now using these principles, I will look at different Policies of this administration and show why they go AGAINST these values.

1 - Dept. Of Homeland Security - Instead of fixing the many dysfunctional bureacracies intended to keep this country safe (FBI, CIA, NSA etc.) This administration simply added another layer to the bureacracy that existed. This is an example of BIGGER GOVERNMENT folks.

2 - War in Iraq - Okay, here is an example of wasting tax money. Forget whether the war was necessary or not. The way money has been wasted in the process of this war is criminal. Yes halliburton I am talking about you. Having no bid contracts is NOT efficiently spending government money.

3 - Terri Schaivo - Everything about the government's intervention in this case was COMPLETELY unconstitutional.

4 - USA Patriot Act - UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! Damn near everything about it. Even the freakin Preamble.


...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

Excuses excuses. Cant give Bush a free ride for 9/11.
...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.


how the war in irak is related to 9/11 is beyond my understanding

Its beyond my understanding too...
how the war in irak is related to 9/11 is beyond my understanding

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

Terri Schaivo is a direct result of 9/11?

Even if 9/11 necessitated change.....is sacrificing our rights WORTH the illusion of safety? I don't believe so.

As far as Homeland security goes, How has THAT fixed anything? As we saw from Hurricane Katrina, it helped **** everything up.

And what did the War in Iraq have to do with 9/11 when all is said and done?

how the war in irak is related to 9/11 is beyond my understanding
Damn tino. Do you hold identical political stances to me?

Thats at least 3 times i have agreed with everything you say about politics and as a rule, i dont usually enter the politics threads....

Btw, thats beyond me too....

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

I can see the need to be flexible when new circumstances arise, but I fail to see that the ways in which this administration has been flexible has actually helped anything.

Terri Schaivo is a direct result of 9/11?

Even if 9/11 necessitated change.....is sacrificing our rights WORTH the illusiion of safety? I don't believe so.

As far as Homeland security goes, How has THAT fixed anything? As we saw from Hurricane Katrina, it helped **** everything up.

And what did the War in Iraq have to do with 9/11 when all is said and done?
You know what. That was the golden statement right there....

Couldnt have said it better.

It is what i have been sticking by in my other posts about the recent Stockwell Tube Shooting of that innocent Brazilian dude who apparently "looked suspicious, therefore he should be shot" incident....

how the war in irak is related to 9/11 is beyond my understanding
Mine too......

You know what. That was the golden statement right there....

Couldnt have said it better.

It is what i have been sticking by in my other posts about the recent Stockwell Tube Shooting of that innocent Brazilian dude who apparently "looked suspicious, therefore he should be shot" incident....

And yes, safety IS an illusion.

Everybody believed they were perfectly safe on 9/10. Thinking you are safe is actually being oblivious to the dangers present.

how the war in irak is related to 9/11 is beyond my understanding
it's blatantly obvious how the war in iraq is related to 9/11...On 9/11 United States was attacked, by who? O don't know, but it is said that it was some middle eastern looking dudes, per se terrorist, but terrorist are international criminals, therefore they don't necessarily represent any country that the americans can retaliate against. The terrorist are said to have come from afghanistan, but the didn't commit the act for the afghanistan nation, so america has had the twin towers knocked down and there is no country to declare war against to retaliate against... That being said Iraq is an arab country that is known to have weapons of mass destruction in the past and is run by an arab dictator, who the world wouldn't miss...So to save face and not look like a weak nation for not doing anything in response to 9/11 Bush and his admin decide to wage a war against hussein in iraq to display to the world, the power of the US military and to show anyone else who may be thinking they too can attack the US, that the US is ready willing and able to whoop some ass...

it's blatantly obvious how the war in iraq is related to 9/11...On 9/11 United States was attacked, by who? O don't know, but it is said that it was some middle eastern looking dudes, per se terrorist, but terrorist are international criminals, therefore they don't necessarily represent any country that the americans can retaliate against. The terrorist are said to have come from afghanistan, but the didn't commit the act for the afghanistan nation, so america has had the twin towers knocked down and there is no country to declare war against to retaliate against... That being said Iraq is an arab country that is known to have weapons of mass destruction in the past and is run by an arab dictator, who the world wouldn't miss...So to save face and not look like a weak nation for not doing anything in response to 9/11 Bush and his admin decide to wage a war against hussein in iraq to display to the world, the power of the US military and to show anyone else who may be thinking they too can attack the US, that the US is ready willing and able to whoop some ass...

Hahahahahaha. Nice analysis.

And yes, safety IS an illusion.

Everybody believed they were perfectly safe on 9/10. Thinking you are safe is actually being oblivious to the dangers present.
Yeah, giving up rights, especially ones to do with freedom of speech and what not, is like hitting the self destruct button IMO.

I am studying Nazi Germany as my A-level course, and i actually see similarites in how Tony Blair is breaking down the constitution and how Hitler broke down the Democratic constitution in Germany before the second world war....

I said this before, but people dismissed it...

I truly believe that their actions are very similar... Obviously Blairs arent on the same scale yet... But hell, if he carries on this way. Whats to say he wont suspend democracy (like hitler did with article 48) and then we would be as good as a dictatorship. We have:
- An unsupported war campaign going on... (Hitler was unsupported in his actions but the WEimar Government was too weak to stop him doing what he wanted by this point)
- Various laws which remove freedoms being proposed. (hitler took away other parties and censored the press)
- Spurious terrorist claims (Hitler claimed the communist were basically terrorists)

And many other things that are symptomatic of Hitler....

We need to be cautious, thats all i will say...

it's blatantly obvious how the war in iraq is related to 9/11...On 9/11 United States was attacked, by who? O don't know, but it is said that it was some middle eastern looking dudes, per se terrorist, but terrorist are international criminals, therefore they don't necessarily represent any country that the americans can retaliate against. The terrorist are said to have come from afghanistan, but the didn't commit the act for the afghanistan nation, so america has had the twin towers knocked down and there is no country to declare war against to retaliate against... That being said Iraq is an arab country that is known to have weapons of mass destruction in the past and is run by an arab dictator, who the world wouldn't miss...So to save face and not look like a weak nation for not doing anything in response to 9/11 Bush and his admin decide to wage a war against hussein in iraq to display to the world, the power of the US military and to show anyone else who may be thinking they too can attack the US, that the US is ready willing and able to whoop some ass...


100% agree .

i think the war in irak was a way to show arab governments , who had always be reluctant to fight or even behind terrorists groups (think colonel khadafi in lybia) that they had to choose a side now , if not the US had the power to remove them .

it worked more or less , it needs to be admitted . now for the people dying everyday in IRAK , well , they die free . lucky them

i just called the FBI to snitch you .

sorry guys but i needed that green card

Yeah, giving up rights, especially ones to do with freedom of speech and what not, is like hitting the self destruct button IMO.

I am studying Nazi Germany as my A-level course, and i actually see similarites in how Tony Blair is breaking down the constitution and how Hitler broke down the Democratic constitution in Germany before the second world war....

I said this before, but people dismissed it...

I truly believe that their actions are very similar... Obviously Blairs arent on the same scale yet... But hell, if he carries on this way. Whats to say he wont suspend democracy (like hitler did with article 48) and then we would be as good as a dictatorship. We have:
- An unsupported war campaign going on... (Hitler was unsupported in his actions but the WEimar Government was too weak to stop him doing what he wanted by this point)
- Various laws which remove freedoms being proposed. (hitler took away other parties and censored the press)
- Spurious terrorist claims (Hitler claimed the communist were basically terrorists)

And many other things that are symptomatic of Hitler....

We need to be cautious, thats all i will say...


Blair needs to get the American Neo Conservative's **** out of his mouth....Talk about nazism and fascism.

it's blatantly obvious how the war in iraq is related to 9/11...On 9/11 United States was attacked, by who? O don't know, but it is said that it was some middle eastern looking dudes, per se terrorist, but terrorist are international criminals, therefore they don't necessarily represent any country that the americans can retaliate against. The terrorist are said to have come from afghanistan, but the didn't commit the act for the afghanistan nation, so america has had the twin towers knocked down and there is no country to declare war against to retaliate against... That being said Iraq is an arab country that is known to have weapons of mass destruction in the past and is run by an arab dictator, who the world wouldn't miss...So to save face and not look like a weak nation for not doing anything in response to 9/11 Bush and his admin decide to wage a war against hussein in iraq to display to the world, the power of the US military and to show anyone else who may be thinking they too can attack the US, that the US is ready willing and able to whoop some ass...
Frankly, thats not a good enough reason to wage a war on a country. Especially when it breaks UN laws or guidelines - whatever they have in place....

The war is illegal. Simple as that. Tony Blair is a ****sucker, and George Bush has the IQ of my small fingernail...

i just called the FBI to snitch you .

sorry guys but i needed that green card
You called the FBI on who? :confused: :confused:

being illegal doesnt matter at all . the UN cant enforce his rules . france used his veto against the US , and the US said ok we dont care frogs .

and that was the end of any UN credibility

You called the FBI on who? :confused: :confused:


on all of you communists terrorists . scotland yard is comming for you .

being illegal doesnt matter at all . the UN cant enforce his rules . france used his veto against the US , and the US said ok we dont care frogs .

and that was the end of any UN credibility
100% agree. But UN law does hold water. It is an actual law... Its not as if its just something that is bypassed if someone wants to start a war... and if it is, then technically the parties involved are breaking international law. That is, Tony Blair and George Dubya.

yes they are breaking international laws . but if there is nothing to stop them , so the law are pointless .


on a side note , no matter how one can dislike the politics of W bush and Blair , the real ennemies and criminals are bin laden and his fellas.

Its beyond my understanding too...


....Big newsflash right there. Everything is beyond your understanding Nash. Your the board idiot.

I can see the need to be flexible when new circumstances arise, but I fail to see that the ways in which this administration has been flexible has actually helped anything.


...Only time will tell, and we have absolutely no idea if or how many times their policies have averted disaster at the hands of terrorists.

let s be honest .

if you want to do a terrorist action , it s easy . it s very easy . nothing can stop you . maybe once but you ll manage to do it .

just throw a grenade in the subway . take a AK and pray and spray . it s just too easy .

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

So you start a war, and then put your heads back in the sand. and nothing is a direct result of 9/11, america has choices on how to react. CHOICES.

yes they are breaking international laws . but if there is nothing to stop them , so the law are pointless .


on a side note , no matter how one can dislike the politics of W bush and Blair , the real ennemies and criminals are bin laden and his fellas.
Your right. When a law isnt enforced. It might aswell not exist... Therefore its pointless.

However. whats the difference between Blar/Bush and Bin Laden. I dont see a difference.

So you start a war, and then put your heads back in the sand. and nothing is a direct result of 9/11, america has choices on own to react. CHOICES.
9/11 was bought on by American involvement in Palestine and Israel and all that stuff.....

Oh and while im on that. Do you not think it is hypocritical to stop Iran owning weapons of mass destruction, when America actively supports Israel owning weapons of mass destruction.

being illegal doesnt matter at all . the UN cant enforce his rules . france used his veto against the US , and the US said ok we dont care frogs .

and that was the end of any UN credibility

and U.S credibility, because the whole "saddam had or has WMDs was fraudulent and a hoax.

and U.S credibility, because the whole "saddam had or has WMDs was fraudulent and a hoax.
Indeed wise sir.

9/11 was bought on by American involvement in Palestine and Israel and all that stuff.....

Oh and while im on that. Do you not think it is hypocritical to stop Iran owning weapons of mass destruction, when America actively supports Israel owning weapons of mass destruction.


I do think it's hypocritical and I agree. I think it goes a little farther then Isreal and Iran though. American intervention = terrorism.

Sadly all this internet talk wont help it. Hmm...I mean we got president who puts his friends in the chair of supreme court judge. And while that nominee has slim to none experience in judging and also mind that is even President calls unflexible.

I do think it's hypocritical and I agree. I think it goes a little farther then Isreal and Iran though. American intervention = terrorism.
That is true aswell.

American intervention does equal more terrorism. They are having a fill day with their recruitment because of the war...

And all the while, we all now. America and Britain will not beat terrorism. The same guerilla tactics used in Vietnam will prevail over brute force, im afraid.

At least when I was in High School, I was taught that the core principles of the Republican Party and Conservativism were.....
-Strict Constructionism - Meaning: Sticking to the constitution. Not changing it unless absolutely necessary.
-Smaller Government - Keeping the bureacracy at the Federal Level as small as possible.
-State's Rights - Trying to localize as much government procedure as possible.
-Efficient Government Spending- Self explanatory.

Now using these principles, I will look at different Policies of this administration and show why they go AGAINST these values.

1 - Dept. Of Homeland Security - Instead of fixing the many dysfunctional bureacracies intended to keep this country safe (FBI, CIA, NSA etc.) This administration simply added another layer to the bureacracy that existed. This is an example of BIGGER GOVERNMENT folks.

2 - War in Iraq - Okay, here is an example of wasting tax money. Forget whether the war was necessary or not. The way money has been wasted in the process of this war is criminal. Yes halliburton I am talking about you. Having no bid contracts is NOT efficiently spending government money.

3 - Terri Schaivo - Everything about the government's intervention in this case was COMPLETELY unconstitutional.

4 - USA Patriot Act - UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! Damn near everything about it. Even the freakin Preamble.
Your right in theory.
However the patriot act does work, and its not forever either. Its temporary.
I agree with you on Schaivo.
The department of homeland security was needed because of the laws the clinton administration put forth. FBI, CIA and military intell could not share info. Now you have one authority who makes the ultimate choices on intelligance. Rather than FBI, and CIA bickering over whats important, whats not. etc.

Not bad finding three "contradictions". Remember Bush is no conservative. There are a lot of moderate Republicans in the house and senate.
Do you want me to spend the rest of my life listing the Democrats contradictions? I literally could spend the rest of my life doing it. It happens on a daily basis.

There is a book that I read a little while back that deals with alot of the things that you are talking about right now. It is a comparison of present day america with pre Hitler Germany. In short it states how the american mind and mentallity of the masses is subject to be swayed or taken over by a leader with BIG ideas. The book is called Ominous Parrels, I can not remember the author. Some of the authors statements seemed abit out there but many of his statements really had me thinking. Any way, it was an interesting and sometimes entertaining read and some of you guys may enjoy it. It will get you thinkin'.


Rockin' :boxing:

There is a book that I read a little while back that deals with alot of the things that you are talking about right now. It is a comparison of present day america with pre Hitler Germany. In short it states how the american mind and mentallity of the masses is subject to be swayed or taken over by a leader with BIG ideas. The book is called Ominous Parrels, I can not remember the author. Some of the authors statements seemed abit out there but many of his statements really had me thinking. Any way, it was an interesting and sometimes entertaining read and some of you guys may enjoy it. It will get you thinkin'.


Rockin' :boxing:

I might have to check that out. Im interested in the Hitler era German History. Im not a Hitler fan by anymeans. Germany did do some amazing things for a country its size. The technology was ahead of the rest of the world, and how in the hell could they afford the war front in WW2.

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

The Patriot Act is a direct violation of our forth amendment right. It's unConstitutional, completely. So is Social Security, so is welfare, and all the other social programs we have, which is something people fail to realize. Actually, FEMA is also unConstitutional, along with many other things.

The problem with the Patriot Act is that it's not going to be a temporary thing, and it's not going to be used to stop terrorism; it will be used as a tool of control of the American people, as it is being used right now.

By the way, I would be classified as extreme right wing by most people.

Your right in theory.
However the patriot act does work, and its not forever either. Its temporary.
I agree with you on Schaivo.
The department of homeland security was needed because of the laws the clinton administration put forth. FBI, CIA and military intell could not share info. Now you have one authority who makes the ultimate choices on intelligance. Rather than FBI, and CIA bickering over whats important, whats not. etc.

Not bad finding three "contradictions". Remember Bush is no conservative. There are a lot of moderate Republicans in the house and senate.
Do you want me to spend the rest of my life listing the Democrats contradictions? I literally could spend the rest of my life doing it. It happens on a daily basis.


That's true that Bush is not a conservative.

Who has the Patriot Act stopped? What good does it do except granting the US government the right to do anything they want to us, under the guise of "terrorism."

The Dept. of Homeland Security is a huge waste of money. It's not working at all. People were put in place who have no qualifications at all, and it's a huge mess.

This whole administration is a mess, though, to be honest.

I'd KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize.



I still laugh every time I see it. :D Hard core right wing is ideal, however we would never, ever, win elections with it. :(

Frankly, thats not a good enough reason to wage a war on a country. Especially when it breaks UN laws or guidelines - whatever they have in place....

The war is illegal. Simple as that. Tony Blair is a ****sucker, and George Bush has the IQ of my small fingernail...
As you stated Bush has the IQ of a small fingernail, I would say toenail myself, but to someone whom has dreamed of winning a war without never being one themself, that would be an excellent reason, especially if you are commander and chief of the most powerful military in the world...Don't you think?

Your right in theory.
However the patriot act does work, and its not forever either. Its temporary.
I agree with you on Schaivo.
The department of homeland security was needed because of the laws the clinton administration put forth. FBI, CIA and military intell could not share info. Now you have one authority who makes the ultimate choices on intelligance. Rather than FBI, and CIA bickering over whats important, whats not. etc.

Suppose you are right about the law the Clinton administration passed preventing the FBI and CIA from sharing information. Why not just repeal that law instead of creating another heaping bureacracy the information sharing has to go through?

That's true that Bush is not a conservative.

Who has the Patriot Act stopped? What good does it do except granting the US government the right to do anything they want to us, under the guise of "terrorism."

The Dept. of Homeland Security is a huge waste of money. It's not working at all. People were put in place who have no qualifications at all, and it's a huge mess.

This whole administration is a mess, though, to be honest.

Not to mention the PATRIOT Act is specifically written so law enforcement can use it to pursue ANY type of criminal activity. Not just terrorism.

If its use was restricted to terrorist activity it wouldn't be so scary.

Thanks for pointin that out.

Im willing to give up some aspects of privacy for security (true security not false security), but this Patriot Plan is very wrong.
Not to mention the PATRIOT Act is specifically written so law enforcement can use it to pursue ANY type of criminal activity. Not just terrorism.

If its use was restricted to terrorist activity it wouldn't be so scary.

let s be honest .

if you want to do a terrorist action , it s easy . it s very easy . nothing can stop you . maybe once but you ll manage to do it .

just throw a grenade in the subway . take a AK and pray and spray . it s just too easy .

EXACTLY.

Safety is an illusion. A terrorist could do ANY of that **** if they wanted to and Uncle Sam could do **** ALL about it.

Thanks for pointin that out.

Im willing to give up some aspects of privacy for security (true security not false security), but this Patriot Plan is very wrong.

TRUE SECURITY does not exist unless you become a recluse like Howard Hughes.

We need to accept that there is **** in the world that could kill us and not cower about it and hope the gubment will protect us. CUZ THEY CAN'T.

I don't agree entirely. Good intelligence has stopped so many terrorist attacks. Pakistan has foiled so many real plots (our stuff aint real plots) and they dont have a fraction of the tools we have.

The way I would have waged this war on terror would be to:

1)Overthrow Taleban
2) Pressure countries, offer incentives, for them to reign in on militants. Saudi Arabia would be much more inclined and openly willing to wage a war on terror against religious fanatics if the war in Iraq never started. Now if you're cracking down on extremist, its for Americas appeasement.
3) I would now have attacked Iran. Take out Hezbollah (number one terrorist group in the world) and overthrow the supreme leaders. Saddam would have been scared to death to have America as its neighbor in Iran. I also knew he wasnt supporting extremists, HE'S SECULAR. He's as much an infidel as we are. You have to remember during the 1970s oil embargo by Arab nations, SADDAM WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO BROKE RANK WITH THE ARABS AND SOLD US OIL. He's his own person and he has been friendly to us. Believe it or not.
TRUE SECURITY does not exist unless you become a recluse like Howard Hughes.

We need to accept that there is **** in the world that could kill us and not cower about it and hope the gubment will protect us. CUZ THEY CAN'T.

I don't agree entirely. Good intelligence has stopped so many terrorist attacks. Pakistan has foiled so many real plots (our stuff aint real plots) and they dont have a fraction of the tools we have.

The way I would have waged this war on terror would be to:

1)Overthrow Taleban
2)Pressure countries, offer incentives, for them to reign in on militants. Saudi Arabia would be much more inclined and openly willing to wage a war on terror against religious fanatics if the war in Iraq never started. Now if you're cracking down on extremist, its for Americas appeasement.

We are doing this. It doesn't work. They don't care about money.

I had to laugh when Congress passed a bill to INCREASE the reward to the Arab people for information about Bin Laden. These people who are poor as dirt, wouldn't do it for 25 million.....it is a reasonable assumption they won't do it at all.


3) I would now have attacked Iran. Take out Hezbollah (number one terrorist group in the world) and overthrow the supreme leaders. Saddam would have been scared to death to have America as its neighbor in Iran. I also knew he wasnt supporting extremists, HE'S SECULAR. He's as much an infidel as we are. You have to remember during the 1970s oil embargo by Arab nations, SADDAM WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO BROKE RANK WITH THE ARABS AND SOLD US OIL. He's his own person and he has been friendly to us. Believe it or not.

Actually before Iraq, Iran had the most moderate regime they had in decades. They were making progress on their own. But when we went into Iraq.....guess how the people voted in the next election?

We arent pressuring countries in an Iraq-war-less environment. This war made us hated... not attacking Iraq we would still have some 9/11 sympathy.

We could actually get **** done if we didnt loose some much political sway/power with this war.
We are doing this. It doesn't work. They don't care about money.

I had to laugh when Congress passed a bill to INCREASE the reward to the Arab people for information about Bin Laden. These people who are poor as dirt, wouldn't do it for 25 million.....it is a reasonable assumption they won't do it at all.



Actually before Iraq, Iran had the most moderate regime they had in decades. They were making progress on their own. But when we went into Iraq.....guess how the people voted in the next election?

I think our biggest problem in this "War on Terror" is our refusal to empathize with our enemies. It stops us from understanding them. We won't let ourselves understand WHY 9/11 happened in the first place.

Our refusal to understand our enemies also blinds us to their weaknesses.

The campaign against Islamic terrorists in the Phillipines has been FAR more successful than anywhere else in the world. The only resources devoted to it are the Filipino military and its US Special Forces advisors. We should see what they are doing right and try to copy it. And NOBODY in this administration even MENTIONS the Phillipines when they are talking about successes in the war on terror.

We arent pressure countries in an Iraq-war-less environment. This war made us hated... not attacking Iraq we would still have some 9/11 sympathy.

We offered rewards to Afghanis before Iraq. It didn't work.

why dont you do something you ALL dream to do

ATTACK FRANCE , the only country in the world as arrogant and know it all as you are .

And if you understand why some hate us... you're a traitor like that college professor out of Colorado. America has a hear no evil see no evil policy. Well it doesnt work like that.
I think our biggest problem in this "War on Terror" is our refusal to empathize with our enemies. It stops us from understanding them. We won't let ourselves understand WHY 9/11 happened in the first place.

Our refusal to understand our enemies also blinds us to their weaknesses.

The campaign against Islamic terrorists in the Phillipines has been FAR more successful than anywhere else in the world. The only resources devoted to it are the Filipino military and its US Special Forces advisors. We should see what they are doing right and try to copy it. And NOBODY in this administration even MENTIONS the Phillipines when they are talking about successes in the war on terror.

Where would we get our croissants......
why dont you do something you ALL dream to do

ATTACK FRANCE , the only country in the world as arrogant and know it all as you are .

why dont you do something you ALL dream to do

ATTACK FRANCE , the only country in the world as arrogant and know it all as you are .

And we need to confiscate Monica Belucci. For the good of our gene pool.

Well, I am out. Gotta work early tomorrow. Laters.

Not to mention the PATRIOT Act is specifically written so law enforcement can use it to pursue ANY type of criminal activity. Not just terrorism.

If its use was restricted to terrorist activity it wouldn't be so scary.

Also, not to mention that it's just about impossible for any of us, or almost anyone, really, to have a real understanding of the Patriot Act, because it's a long list of references to other acts.

Homeland Security is a fraud... a scam. Made for nothing else but to get friends a government position.

Yes, it would have made more sense to repeal those laws, but that would make too much sense, and we all know that the government is not about making sense.

why dont you do something you ALL dream to do

ATTACK FRANCE , the only country in the world as arrogant and know it all as you are .


Come on, France would retreat into the ocean before we were able to really attack...

Come on, France would retreat into the ocean before we were able to really attack...
I very much doubt it.... The french are ever more gritty since WWII in my opinion when their resistance was critisized massively. And probably rightly so in many places. But now, i think they wouldnt give a **** about a country invading them. They would die to the end if you ask me....

But you may have been joking so i cant tell.......

Suppose you are right about the law the Clinton administration passed preventing the FBI and CIA from sharing information. Why not just repeal that law instead of creating another heaping bureacracy the information sharing has to go through?


Check out the Bravo Danger intell that Congress felt didnt need to be put into the 9/11 report. They new the terrorist were in america about a year before 9/11/ But they were told repeatedly they could not exchange intell with fbi or cia.

Someone please do tell me how the Patriot Act has directly and negatively affected them.

I sure would like to know.

I can think of some positives right off hand myself, such as apprehension of fleeing criminals, including a notorious serial killers a short while back.

All this "Patriot Act" is taking my rights BS is exactly that...BS. I do the same things now I did before it was in effect.

At least when I was in High School, I was taught that the core principles of the Republican Party and Conservativism were.....
-Strict Constructionism - Meaning: Sticking to the constitution. Not changing it unless absolutely necessary.
-Smaller Government - Keeping the bureacracy at the Federal Level as small as possible.
-State's Rights - Trying to localize as much government procedure as possible.
-Efficient Government Spending- Self explanatory.

Now using these principles, I will look at different Policies of this administration and show why they go AGAINST these values.

1 - Dept. Of Homeland Security - Instead of fixing the many dysfunctional bureacracies intended to keep this country safe (FBI, CIA, NSA etc.) This administration simply added another layer to the bureacracy that existed. This is an example of BIGGER GOVERNMENT folks.

2 - War in Iraq - Okay, here is an example of wasting tax money. Forget whether the war was necessary or not. The way money has been wasted in the process of this war is criminal. Yes halliburton I am talking about you. Having no bid contracts is NOT efficiently spending government money.

3 - Terri Schaivo - Everything about the government's intervention in this case was COMPLETELY unconstitutional.

4 - USA Patriot Act - UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! Damn near everything about it. Even the freakin Preamble.



what r u talking about?

Someone please do tell me how the Patriot Act has directly and negatively affected them.

I sure would like to know.

I can think of some positives right off hand myself, such as apprehension of fleeing criminals, including a notorious serial killers a short while back.

All this "Patriot Act" is taking my rights BS is exactly that...BS. I do the same things now I did before it was in effect.

...Exactly!!! Don't do **** and you won't be accused of ****. You would think that the Feds were knocking down everyones doors and strip searching them in front of their kids. The only thing I see is the more rigorous security at airports. That's been needed for a long time and I don't mind having to take my shoes off for the screeners one bit. If that's your idea of getting your rights taken away then that's one weak ass arguement.

Someone please do tell me how the Patriot Act has directly and negatively affected them.

I sure would like to know.

I can think of some positives right off hand myself, such as apprehension of fleeing criminals, including a notorious serial killers a short while back.

All this "Patriot Act" is taking my rights BS is exactly that...BS. I do the same things now I did before it was in effect.

Just because you have no concept of what freedom is doesn't mean it's not restricting our freedoms.

The government can, at any point, go into your house and seize your property. They can listen in on every phone conversation you have. They can bug your house, etc, etc. It effectively eliminates the fourth amendment of the Constitution, which happens to be one of the most important. (actually, the first ten are the most important)

Freedom is not the ability to walk out of your house and go where you please. And, haven't you ever heard the saying "an injustice for one is an injustice for all?"

...Exactly!!! Don't do **** and you won't be accused of ****. You would think that the Feds were knocking down everyones doors and strip searching them in front of their kids. The only thing I see is the more rigorous security at airports. That's been needed for a long time and I don't mind having to take my shoes off for the screeners one bit. If that's your idea of getting your rights taken away then that's one weak ass arguement.

Damn, repulbicans piss me off almost as much as Democrats, and it's not because of their views. It's because of their blind following of their party. Anything the party does is right, and you'll never get one of them to disagree with it.

And see, what you say is exactly the problem. I don't have to do anything to be accused of something, and it doesn't matter if I've done anything wrong. The government can tap my phone lines for no reason if they want to. Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they won't. ****, why not let them put cameras all over your house just to make sure that you're not doing anything illegal. How much do they have to take before you finally get it through your thick heads that you're being taken control of. The problem with people like you guys is that it's going to be way too late by the time you finally realize what's going on.

Go read 1984 and Brave New World, you might gain some insight into what the government is doing here.

People in power want one thing, more power. Power is gained through control of the masses, and the Patriot Act efficiently, and effectively gives control of the masses under the guise of more personal safety.

I'd rather give up security than my freedoms. Better to die free than to live a slave.

...Different times call for different measures. All of those things you mention are either a direct result or an offshoot of 9/11. That attack changed everything and made it necessary that we not go about our everyday lives with our heads in the sand.

He will NEVER admit that.

Someone please do tell me how the Patriot Act has directly and negatively affected them.

I sure would like to know.

I can think of some positives right off hand myself, such as apprehension of fleeing criminals, including a notorious serial killers a short while back.

All this "Patriot Act" is taking my rights BS is exactly that...BS. I do the same things now I did before it was in effect.

From what I see, The Patriot act only negatively effects those that are trying to hide something.

From what I see, The Patriot act only negatively effects those that are trying to hide something.

Of course that's all you see. You've been blinded just like pbds has been.

Again, how far do they have to go before you realize what they're doing to you? They start with small stuff like that, and then they take bigger and bigger things. They're trying to take our freedom of religion from us, too, and speech, and press, and petition. What's next? When they start putting cameras in and around yourself "in case something happens to your house and family" so they can catch them, will you allow it because it protects you?

How much do they have to take before you figure out what they are doing to you!?

Of course that's all you see. You've been blinded just like pbds has been.

Again, how far do they have to go before you realize what they're doing to you? They start with small stuff like that, and then they take bigger and bigger things. They're trying to take our freedom of religion from us, too, and speech, and press, and petition. What's next? When they start putting cameras in and around yourself "in case something happens to your house and family" so they can catch them, will you allow it because it protects you?

How much do they have to take before you figure out what they are doing to you!?

So far, they've taken nothing from me. Nothing has changed for me, I have nothing to hide. If I were doing something illegal, it might bother me.

What bigger things can they do? I can do whatever I want. And if there is anything, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

This is what I have to say about this issue: politicians everywhere have become very adept at constructing airtight lies. It used to be that they would do illegal things and then try to cover it up. All that changed with Watergate, when they realized that sooner or later the truth comes out. So now carefully-coreographed propaganda campaigns are launched that present arguments that cannot be completely refuted.

The WMD justification for going to war with Iraq is a beauty example. In the 50s, the gov't would have just invaded Iraq and not told anyone or would have come up with some flimsy pretext of "fighting communism". But with the WMD thing they've tried to come across as really believing that there were weapons there, and that they are totally shocked that there are none. So people think, ah, they just made a mistake, that's all. Poor fellas.

Politicians everywhere do this. They have persuasiveness dwon to a science. What, you think that when they see fast food companies able to convince people to eat their crap until they're fat and have a coronary that they don't want to use the same techniques?

Saddam supported well known terrorist organizations such as Hammas and Hesbolla. He paid the families of suicide bombers.

Saddam also vowed that if he had one nuclear weapon he would use it against the United States and he would carry this vendetta to the end of his life.

Knowing those facts, I would rather invade Iraq and be wrong about WMD, than not invade and try to rebuild a destroyed New York city.

Saddam supported well known terrorist organizations such as Hammas and Hesbolla. He paid the families of suicide bombers.

Saddam also vowed that if he had one nuclear weapon he would use it against the United States and he would carry this vendetta to the end of his life.

Knowing those facts, I would rather invade Iraq and be wrong about WMD, than not invade and try to rebuild a destroyed New York city.I have no idea which country you are from. So I guess if ya verbally threatened someone and reported you to the cops about your threats, I guess i'd be okay for the authorities to show up at your house enter it w/o a warrant and do whatever the hell they want to do in it... Take what is yours, tells you what time to go to bed, when to shower, how much food you can eat,when you can have lights and it just goes on and on. All because you said something and they think that the black windowless unmarked van you have parked outside your house is for kidnapping kids. Do you see how dangerous this way of handling matters in this manner, if people in power can do this to a country what do you think they'll do w/ the average joe schmoe, folks we'd all be back in shackles,caves,huts,igloos eating our young.

I have no idea which country you are from. So I guess if ya verbally threatened someone and reported you to the cops about your threats, I guess i'd be okay for the authorities to show up at your house enter it w/o a warrant and do whatever the hell they want to do in it... Take what is yours, tells you what time to go to bed, when to shower, how much food you can eat,when you can have lights and it just goes on and on. All because you said something and they think that the black windowless unmarked van you have parked outside your house is for kidnapping kids.

I wouldn't do that and I've got nothing to hide. They have no reason to do that to me. And, your overreacting.

Also, in those circumstances, I guess it would depend on what I said. If I threatened to kill someone or a group of people, dam right I think they should.

Just be a law abiding civilized person, is that too much to ask?

I wouldn't do that and I've got nothing to hide. They have no reason to do that to me. And, your overreacting.

Also, in those circumstances, I guess it would depend on what I said. If I threatened to kill someone or a group of people, dam right I think they should.

Just be a law abiding civilized person, is that too much to ask?Oh dude I just noticed something on your sig "Boxingscene's Dr. Phil" that explains it. God help us, wherever you are. P.S. So those civilians in Iraq w/o electricity, running water, a rich oil country but its citizens right now have to lineup for blocks on end to gas up their cars, weren't and are not law-abiding for the most part.

And we need to confiscate Monica Belucci. For the good of our gene pool.

Well, I am out. Gotta work early tomorrow. Laters.Oh yeah kill their men and children and take her fine @$$ w/ us and reproduce w/ her.

Also, not to mention that it's just about impossible for any of us, or almost anyone, really, to have a real understanding of the Patriot Act, because it's a long list of references to other acts.

Homeland Security is a fraud... a scam. Made for nothing else but to get friends a government position.

Yes, it would have made more sense to repeal those laws, but that would make too much sense, and we all know that the government is not about making sense.




Come on, France would retreat into the ocean before we were able to really attack...
Hell Vince Carter already showed us how it's done(lol)