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MegaHold
07-06-2011, 06:49 PM
Hi

I'll keep this as brief as possible.

My routine is like this:

I do weightlifting aimed at gaining strength throughout the week including squats, bench, deadlift etc and two boxing sessions:

Boxing A - 12 x 4 minute rounds, 1 minute rest in between each round, on bag
Boxing B - short bursts of left/right on bag, then hooks, then body shots (all on bag), finish off with ab/neck work

Routine is like:

Mon - Boxing A
Tue - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Wed - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Thu - Boxing B
Fri - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Sat - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Sun - Rest

I do no running as of now. After weightlifting I do a couple of bodyweight exercises but I also currently do no circuits/bodyweight exercises.

I've been doing this the past few weeks as I haven't been able to get to my boxing club. I've been hitting it fairly hard I'd say, but today (Wednesday) I got down to the club and did sparring, hadn't done sparring in a while.

to be honest I felt ****. I got in the ring and just felt weak, and dizzy - was it nervous energy? I feel gutted, and it's getting to me a lot already. I really want to do well but I was too nervous to throw punches, felt like I was slow and weak and dizzy?! Pissed me off when I got out. I feel like I have potential, but I just felt light and useless today - and got hit, whilst I was barely hitting the other guy - and he was lighter/younger than me. Is it just nerves?

What am I doing wrong? How do I increase speed, endurance, power, everything?

Thanks a lot!

Side question: will dropping bodyfat (and minimal muscle/strength) and therefore weight, make me punch and move faster?

Also, if it was nerves, is there anything I can do to toughen my mindset? agh.

Thanks, sorry for all the text.

KeepOnPushing
07-06-2011, 07:02 PM
Hi

I'll keep this as brief as possible.

My routine is like this:

I do weightlifting aimed at gaining strength throughout the week including squats, bench, deadlift etc and two boxing sessions:

Boxing A - 12 x 4 minute rounds, 1 minute rest in between each round, on bag
Boxing B - short bursts of left/right on bag, then hooks, then body shots (all on bag), finish off with ab/neck work

Routine is like:

Mon - Boxing A
Tue - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Wed - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Thu - Boxing B
Fri - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Sat - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Sun - Rest

I do no running as of now. After weightlifting I do a couple of bodyweight exercises but I also currently do no circuits/bodyweight exercises.

I've been doing this the past few weeks as I haven't been able to get to my boxing club. I've been hitting it fairly hard I'd say, but today (Wednesday) I got down to the club and did sparring, hadn't done sparring in a while.

to be honest I felt ****. I got in the ring and just felt weak, and dizzy - was it nervous energy? I feel gutted, and it's getting to me a lot already. I really want to do well but I was too nervous to throw punches, felt like I was slow and weak and dizzy?! Pissed me off when I got out. I feel like I have potential, but I just felt light and useless today - and got hit, whilst I was barely hitting the other guy - and he was lighter/younger than me. Is it just nerves?

What am I doing wrong? How do I increase speed, endurance, power, everything?

Thanks a lot!

Side question: will dropping bodyfat (and minimal muscle/strength) and therefore weight, make me punch and move faster?

Also, if it was nerves, is there anything I can do to toughen my mindset? agh.

Thanks, sorry for all the text.



The bolded, u gotta run man , just have to .......

and also i feel your pain about getting in the ring and feeling ****ty and slower and not how u look on the bag , sparring def. isn't the same as working on the bag at all because you're not defending yourself on the bag and you're more relaxed because you're not worried about being hit and no body weight is being leaned on you and you're also moving around a lot more ..

but you have to run


and also what type of weight lifting are u doing? if your looking to increase your speed i'd suggest lighter lifting but lots of reps at a high pace ...

folks can get up in lifting a "Ton" and build up a ton of muscle mass and turn themself into one big bulky machine, yea you will look good in the mirror and for the ladies but for boxing you will get worn out so quickly like that , bulk is so hard to carry around in boxing, im stll trying to get rid of that myself because i played a different sport before i started boxing, i had to cut how much weight i lift way down ...i do a lot of light lifting but a lot of reps.

jjbj2
07-06-2011, 07:04 PM
You need cardio. Honestly, you feel tired because of lack of endurance and stamina. Yea, you are strong but you aren't going to last long either.

Also, I think you need to revisit your schedule which is have two days of rest instead of one. You are probably over-training yourself even the military has two days of rest (Saturday and Sunday) during non-training days.

Look at the boxers they do like 10-20 minutes of cardio before hitting the bags. I just watched Real Sports with Bryant Gumble last night and Anne Wolfe trained her boxers with cardio too running along the highway. So, really cardio really helps.

Hope this helps. Also, the food you are eating might be affecting you too. Headaches, too much fatty acids in your diet? Sh1tty feeling, too much carbohydrates like bread, rice, or starch in your food?

MegaHold
07-06-2011, 07:05 PM
hmm okay. I'll get running, what kind of distance/duration are we looking at?

Also, anything else wrong with my routine?

edit
On training days yeah I eat a lot of carbs, moderate/fair amount of fats and generally solid amount of protein each day.

I eat a fair amount of carbs.

MegaHold
07-06-2011, 07:16 PM
Any answers to the post just above?

ALSO - I sweat LOADS, honestly I get build up heat so quick doing minimal exercise, I've always sweated loads. This is probably mostly genetic, but will carido stop me sweating so much?

mushahadeen
07-06-2011, 07:19 PM
no running? what???

MegaHold
07-06-2011, 07:24 PM
So what distance should I run and how frequently?

Will more cardio stop me getting as hot/sweaty? I get really hot/sweaty after minimal exercise, mainly genetics but still.

jjbj2
07-06-2011, 07:35 PM
hmm okay. I'll get running, what kind of distance/duration are we looking at?

Also, anything else wrong with my routine?

edit
On training days yeah I eat a lot of carbs, moderate/fair amount of fats and generally solid amount of protein each day.

I eat a fair amount of carbs.

Since you want a decent advice here it is:

Mon - Running 10 minutes (moderate pace), Boxing A
Tue - Heavy Weightlifting, Boxing B
Wed - Light Weightlifting, Boxing A
Thu - Light run 10 minutes (jogging pace), Boxing B
Fri - Heavy Weightlifting, Boxing A
Sat - Running 20 minutes (jogging pace), Rest
Sun - Rest

You are relegated from moderate pace to jogging pace because you are just a beginner. You can tweak this schedule when you feel comfortable increasing the pace. As an athlete should not have problems running in a treadmill at moderate pace #6 then for jogging pace #5. If you can't last 10 minutes at #6 moderate pace then you don't really have endurance and need to build it up.

Also, decrease your carbohydrates intake. You should assign days MON, THU, and SAT are good days to eat spaghetti or pizza or meal with bread, rice, or starch in it. Also, the next day it will help you because you'll be doing heavy lifting of weights and you are not eating a heavy meal the day before running too which helps preventing stitches or cramps.

You probably will have to go on light meals too like soup, fish, and vegetables during the days before going to run.

Your food schedule will look like this:

MON - Meat, starch, etc.
TUE - Meat, soup, vegetables no bread, rice...
WED - Fish, vegetables, soup no bread, rice...
THU - Meat, starch, etc.
FRI - Fish, vegetables, soup no bread, rice...
SAT - Meat, starch, etc.
SUN - Fish, soup, vegetables no bread, rice...

I wasn't against your protein diet. You need protein to help the muscles recover which is why protein is found just about in every health pills sold in GNC. You might just need to tone down the protein diet. I know a friend of mine he lost weight just by eating meat, fruits and vegetables for two months from 220 lbs to 195 lbs but it broke him because it punishes the body too much. You need carbohydrates too. You need bread/rice in your body.

Hope this helps.

MegaHold
07-06-2011, 07:41 PM
Thanks a lot bro!

Also, if I were to slowly lose around 8lbs of fat (and minimal muscle, up to 1lb of muscle if I prolonged the weight loss) do you think I would be able to move/hit faster? or will 8lbs not do a hell of a lot? It must help me in some way, like for endurance?

thanks again.

jjbj2
07-06-2011, 07:42 PM
So what distance should I run and how frequently?

Will more cardio stop me getting as hot/sweaty? I get really hot/sweaty after minimal exercise, mainly genetics but still.

Distance? Right now, just assessing whether you can go for 10 minutes on a treadmill is good gauge in how much stamina and endurance you have.

Do the schedule for at least 2 weeks then after that you should have a goal. 2 mile running should be easy for you. The military has it that doing a 2 mile run in 15:30 minutes for a healthy person between 17-21 is the bare minimum the maximum is 13:00 minutes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Physical_Fitness_Test#Scoring

That link above is the military physical fitness test. If you do the maximum then you are above average, an elite. If you do above and beyond then you are a professional or an amateur athlete who do these things everyday and getting paid for it.

jjbj2
07-06-2011, 07:51 PM
Thanks a lot bro!

Also, if I were to slowly lose around 8lbs of fat (and minimal muscle, up to 1lb of muscle if I prolonged the weight loss) do you think I would be able to move/hit faster? or will 8lbs not do a hell of a lot? It must help me in some way, like for endurance?

thanks again.

Here is what I learned from taking nutritional classes in college.

Usually, losing weight is good for the overall health. Endurance benefits from lose of weight.

And also, height and weight comes to play when it comes to gaining and losing weight. Tall person let us say 6'1 and above losing weight to 147 lbs is crazy especially for adults because it takes careful planning (from training to eating) to come down to such weight. It might affect strength too because of lose of muscle mass (the body will eat the muscle and protein shakes, pills, and whatnot slows it down but the body will eat itself still). And for the short person 5'6 gaining weight is better because the body is not eating itself but increasing in mass overall. Also, there are people who are just naturally skinny and fat. So, I don't know who you are I can't tell if you are naturally skinny or fat. Or you became athletic because of years doing it. I know people in the military who were never athletic but are forced to become athletic because of PT tests and whatnot. So, they have have a different curve from you.

I'm rambling... I don't know. I can't tell. Not enough information.

MegaHold
07-06-2011, 07:56 PM
Yes I used to do bodybuilding, I know a lot about nutrition etc it's cool, I know how to cut and gain weight. I'm only 17 but I'm 5'9 165 ish at around 13.5% bodyfat I'd say (I'm small for someone who works out I think, but meh, I workout at home and still live at home obviously ha)

Anyway...

I know how to cut slowly and maintain muscle/strength as much as possible, but I'm more interested in what dropping fat will do for me.

I know how to get there, but once I get there, will I notice more speed/endurance basically? or not much of a difference?

jjbj2
07-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Yes I used to do bodybuilding, I know a lot about nutrition etc it's cool, I know how to cut and gain weight. I'm only 17 but I'm 5'9 165 ish at around 13.5% bodyfat I'd say (I'm small for someone who works out I think, but meh, I workout at home and still live at home obviously ha)

Anyway...

I know how to cut slowly and maintain muscle/strength as much as possible, but I'm more interested in what dropping fat will do for me.

I know how to get there, but once I get there, will I notice more speed/endurance basically? or not much of a difference?

Now, I have some good information.

Yes, dropping from 165 lbs to let 157 lbs will give you speed. Endurance, yes because you will be lighter and go farther in the track. I was thinking you were 6'1 and older. Also, you are 17 years old. And you are still growing. I don't really want to suggest losing weight because you are still a teenager. You have a good chance of going 6 feet tall.

Ideal weight for you is 160 lbs to 150 lbs without doing any google search. Still, what are you after in boxing? Strength or speed? If you are going for speed then yes losing weight is a must. 5'9 you can be competing at Lightweight which is 135lbs. Although, you mentioned you are a bodybuilder then Lightweight will be hard on your body. So, I'll go with Welterweight 147lbs just so you have both speed and power.

Your body fat can still go down by a percent realistically I see you going down from 13.5% to 12-% (due to weight loss). You are cut. Damn. I should have known. Anyways, good luck.

MegaHold
07-07-2011, 06:24 AM
Ha. I dunno I have fairly high standards because I'm used to wanting to look better all the time. I wouldn't say I'm very cut, but 8% bodyfat would definitely be.

Is it unhealthy to lose weight at 17?

And I don't know if I'd want to go down to 147 - something like 155 would be better for my body I think just now?

In boxing I'm probably looking for speed yes, I have some strength from using weights etc, I feel like I'm slow if anything.

Poppa Mathysse
07-07-2011, 10:26 AM
Hi

I'll keep this as brief as possible.

My routine is like this:

I do weightlifting aimed at gaining strength throughout the week including squats, bench, deadlift etc and two boxing sessions:

Boxing A - 12 x 4 minute rounds, 1 minute rest in between each round, on bag
Boxing B - short bursts of left/right on bag, then hooks, then body shots (all on bag), finish off with ab/neck work

Routine is like:

Mon - Boxing A
Tue - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Wed - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Thu - Boxing B
Fri - Weightlifting, Boxing A
Sat - Weightlifting, Boxing B
Sun - Rest

I do no running as of now. After weightlifting I do a couple of bodyweight exercises but I also currently do no circuits/bodyweight exercises.

I've been doing this the past few weeks as I haven't been able to get to my boxing club. I've been hitting it fairly hard I'd say, but today (Wednesday) I got down to the club and did sparring, hadn't done sparring in a while.

to be honest I felt ****. I got in the ring and just felt weak, and dizzy - was it nervous energy? I feel gutted, and it's getting to me a lot already. I really want to do well but I was too nervous to throw punches, felt like I was slow and weak and dizzy?! Pissed me off when I got out. I feel like I have potential, but I just felt light and useless today - and got hit, whilst I was barely hitting the other guy - and he was lighter/younger than me. Is it just nerves?

What am I doing wrong? How do I increase speed, endurance, power, everything?

Thanks a lot!

Side question: will dropping bodyfat (and minimal muscle/strength) and therefore weight, make me punch and move faster?

Also, if it was nerves, is there anything I can do to toughen my mindset? agh.

Thanks, sorry for all the text.

summarize ur post to 3 or 4 sentences... i aint readin all dat sh1t... :bottle:

MegaHold
07-07-2011, 01:00 PM
lol summarized..

Training hard and consistently for a few weeks, couldn't make it to club so no sparring, went back to club and did sparring and felt worse than before - pretty *****.

so I'm asking what I'm doing wrong? advice basically on how to improve power/agility/speed/strength/endurance and mental edge/nervous energy maybe.

ChowAce
07-07-2011, 04:27 PM
I think you felt like **** sparring because you haven't sparred in a while. Running helps but mostly for getting that 1 minute rest in between rounds. If you want good endurance, strength, and speed while sparring, just spar more. If you can't make it to your gym just simulate 3 minute rounds on a heavy bag throwing lots of punches (100+). Go for 5-10 rounds depending on how you feel. I am not saying neglect running but doing hard 3 minute rounds on the heavy bag really helps because it simulates sparring or boxing more. The endurance you build from running is anaerobic, which will be most useful for recovering in between rounds. I run 3 days a week for 30 minutes each time at a normal pace. You can also throw in 1 more day and do interval sprints which will also help explosiveness.