did RJJ duck Nigel Benn or Steve Collings? i dont think he would of if they was calling him out and was willing to come to the US and fight, no way RJJ would duck such a ****ty fighter like Collings

Roy ducked a lot of fighters.

Here's what Benn said in May 1995: "Roy Jones is a *****cat, Roy don't want no fight. I'd fight him in his backgarden"
But after Benn's poor performance against Nardiello and RJjnr's awesome performance against Pazienza, Benn was made to rethink and then admitted that RJjnr was righteously 'the man' .. after the McClellan fight I think Benn was p4p no.2 .. but with Benn on the slide (he dropped outside top 5 after poor performances against Nardiello and Perez) he knew that all he could do was just throw everything at RJjnr for three or four rounds and hope for the best, and he DID want the fight ..

Here are the quotes from Benn the following day after his fight with Nardiello-

Ian Darke: "The guy you would really love to fight is Roy Jones Jnr, but that is going to be a hard fight to make politically, you thinks he's number one."

Benn: "I dont mind being number two to Roy Jones and I would really really like to fight Roy Jones. He will frighten me, and thats what I need and he does that. But I'm not saying ooooooh I'm scared of him, but I will be up for that fight. I will be up for that fight like a mother, so please God, Don King, Frank Warren, I will fight him in his back garden, wait my back garden. I'd love to fight him, he is the only one who is gonna give me that real fear, Gerald McClellan never gave me no real fear. I'm talking about, this guy is really going to put the fear of God in me."


Steve Collins on Sky after the Benn II fight-

Ian Darke: "Now you have beaten Chris Eubank twice and now Nigel Benn twice, Who do you want now?"

Steve Collins: "The fight I've been looking for, for a long time is Roy Jones. But Roy Jones is running scared, he fights nobodies, he fights men with prison records not boxing records. If Roy Jones doesn't fight then people will remember him as the man who was afraid of Steve Collins. Eubank had a much longer unbeaten record than Roy Jones, just as much skill as Roy Jones, better names on his record than Roy Jones like Nigel Benn and Michael Watson, what Roy Jones has is speed and power but if I can withstand Nigel's best shots then I will have no problem withstanding whatever Roy Jones throws at me. And with me being the out and out forward punching pressure fighter I first used to upset Eubank and win every fight since, I think he knows he's better off avoiding Steve Collins. I'm a monster at super, Nigel's shots were bouncing off me, I'm not saying they didn't hurt because they did but I'm not doing myself any favours if I wanna fight Roy Jones, He's more scared."

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above is my post from another thread (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=929509#post929509) copied and pasted.


Now,

My opinion is that no he did not duck Benn or Collins .. the truth is that Don King wanted options on RJjnr so the Benn fight wasnt happening, but then RJjnr's people were at the Malinga fight and they had a contract ready for Benn to sign but Benn lost the fight and retired ..

According to ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY on this board, Collins wanted 5 MILLION to fight RJjnr which was fantasy money so the fight didn't happen, that was stupid money to ask for

Collins Told Hbo He Wanted 5 Milion For The Fight. That Is Why The Fight Never Happened.

Thanks for setting the record straight about that. People on these boards seem to think it's only Roy fault that these fights didn't happen.

QUESTION: Steve, Roy Jones Jnr showed absolutely no interest in fighting you for a unification fight at super-middleweight. It's difficult to believe that the man who has been the best pound-for-pound fighter for the past 10 years or more would have been scared of you in the slightest. What was the real reason the fight never even got to the negotiation table?
James Slattery
STEVE COLLINS: Well James, I travelled to Pensacola to see Roy Jones fight and I actually climbed into the ring after his fight. I accused him of avoiding me and I challenged him live on national TV. At the post-fight conference I spoke to Jones and the press, I called him a coward and a yellow dog and I offered to fight him, winners take all. I would have beaten Roy Jones and he knew it!

source: http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,12-1160284,00.html

Steve Collins Would Have Stood No Chance Against The 168 Pound Jones. None At All.

Steve Collins Would Have Stood No Chance Against The 168 Pound Jones. None At All.
I agree totally, i think the best collins could have done is last the distance due to his very good chin. However, Collins did want the fight bad and actually went to Florida on the Roy Jones Vs Mike McCulliam card and called him out.
No doubt i think Jones would have beaten him but Collins demanding 5 million for the fight....this is like ending the fight right there. Why would Collins be so greedy if he really believed he could take Jones?

QUESTION: Steve, Roy Jones Jnr showed absolutely no interest in fighting you for a unification fight at super-middleweight. It's difficult to believe that the man who has been the best pound-for-pound fighter for the past 10 years or more would have been scared of you in the slightest. What was the real reason the fight never even got to the negotiation table?
James Slattery
STEVE COLLINS: Well James, I travelled to Pensacola to see Roy Jones fight and I actually climbed into the ring after his fight. I accused him of avoiding me and I challenged him live on national TV. At the post-fight conference I spoke to Jones and the press, I called him a coward and a yellow dog and I offered to fight him, winners take all. I would have beaten Roy Jones and he knew it!

source: http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,12-1160284,00.html
Is this the same Steve Collins that claims Rocky Marciano would of beaten Muhammad Ali?

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/smalltalk/story/0,13852,1359507,00.html

So who was the toughest man ever to step into the ring?
In my mind, it will always be Rocky Marciano. He was the hardest of the hardest. The best heavyweight ever. He would have beaten Muhammad Ali.

But he was only 13 stone 8 pounds - a lot less than most modern heavyweights...
[Interjects] Yeah, but he was the same size as Tyson and could hit like Tyson - and had more durability and hardness.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/smalltalk/story/0,13852,1359507,00.html

Collins is deranged.

Steve Collins Would Have Stood No Chance Against The 168 Pound Jones. None At All.

I agree. To me Jones was at his best at that weight & Collins would've been thoroughly DOMINATED. He might not have been KO'ed but he would've lost bad.

source for that last quote? Not that I don't believe you...

"Don't you go tellin me I aint wanna fight nobody, I bend over backwards tryin to get my pops to get me in with Terry Norris in 1990, tryin to fight Terry Norris. A few years later you got Nunn gonna fight whoever comes out on top out of Benn or Eubanks and I was gonna fight whoever came out on top of that, but Benn and Eubanks drew and then Nunn lost so what could I do? Nunn and Benn fightin in England on same card, they both win and fight eachother, I gonna fight the winner of that but Nunn went and lost didnt he. So then as soon as Nunn loses I tries to get hold of Michael Moorer, if he wins the heavyweight title I gonna fight him, he won the title and then he not wanna fight me, wouldn't do it. I was gonna fight all the mother ****ers when I was coming up, now I'm on top so I just fights whoever they put in my way. If my opponents aint good enough for you, that aint my fault. I dont wipe em' out I shut em' out, just shut em' out, all of em', I could wipe em' out but I left RJ behind a long while ago. So dont ya'll go tellin me. I put a whoopin on everyone I ever fought and I'll keep doin it til I get bored and cant be bothered to do it no more" Roy Jones Jnr 2001

source for that last quote? Not that I don't believe you...
"Don't you go tellin me I aint wanna fight nobody, I bend over backwards tryin to get my pops to get me in with Terry Norris in 1990, tryin to fight Terry Norris. A few years later you got Nunn gonna fight whoever comes out on top out of Benn or Eubanks and I was gonna fight whoever came out on top of that, but Benn and Eubanks drew and then Nunn lost so what could I do? Nunn and Benn fightin in England on same card, they both win and fight eachother, I gonna fight the winner of that but Nunn went and lost didnt he. So then as soon as Nunn loses I tries to get hold of Michael Moorer, if he wins the heavyweight title I gonna fight him, he won the title and then he not wanna fight me, wouldn't do it. I was gonna fight all the mother ****ers when I was coming up, now I'm on top so I just fights whoever they put in my way. If my opponents aint good enough for you, that aint my fault. I dont wipe em' out I shut em' out, just shut em' out, all of em', I could wipe em' out but I left RJ behind a long while ago. So dont ya'll go tellin me. I put a whoopin on everyone I ever fought and I'll keep doin it til I get bored and cant be bothered to do it no more" Roy Jones Jnr 2001

source for that last quote? Not that I don't believe you...
Sorry, yeh its from KO magazine the one featurin carl 'The truth' Williams

Steve Collins Would Have Stood No Chance Against The 168 Pound Jones. None At All.
That's exactly what Sam Soliman said about Hatton's chances against Tszyu

who the hell is Collins??? another european guy??

Collins could of taken Roy to places that Roy has never been before if he stuck to him like glue and made it get ugly on the inside. Collins was so determined against Eubank and beyond,awesome infact. But Collins back in his middleweight days was just a tough boxer-puncher/counter-puncher,although the only fighter he truly lost to at middleweight was Mike McCallum when he froze and gave away the first half of the round. He was robbed by back-to-back losses in his opponents backyards and lost faith for years until getting his chance against Eubank,finding fame and fortune overnight. Even though he was a formidable opponent at middleweight,he was better than ever against Eubank. He completely changed his boxing style into an all-out slugger/marauding warrior for Eubank and it worked so he stuck to it,That Collins was a world-beater. Collins was a ****ing BEAST at 168.

Collins first wanted to fight Roy after Roy beat Hopkins because Collins was IBF number one contender at the time,then a year later he wanted a unification fight with Roy at middleweight in 1994. But I really do not think that Collins in the days before he called himself the Celtic Warrior even stood a chance against Roy (Collins didn't call himself the Celtic Warrior until he was in his 30s),not a single chance. However that marauding warrior beast in his 30s definately stood a chance!

Pull your head out your ass, Collins stands no chance against Roy Jones Junior. He wouldn't of stood a chance against a PRIME Eubank or a PRIME Benn either. Eubank was robbed at Mill Street on that St Patricks Day 10 years ago, & Collins used disgraceful tactics beforehand anyway. Benn was totally shot after McClennan fight.

That's exactly what Sam Soliman said about Hatton's chances against Tszyu
Hatton was nine yrs younger than Zoo and Zoo had been very inactive. Collins was five yrs older than RJJ and RJJ had been putting on breathtaking displays every couple mnths.

Hatton is better than Collins
RJJ is better than Zoo

Hatton was quick and Zoo wasnt

Collins was sslloooooooooww.., RJJ was FAST!

stupid comparison dude, stupid.

and 5mill dollars 10 yrs ago just for some unknown irish fighter is just a joke, i mean 10 yrs ago mind, what a total joke

did RJJ duck Nigel Benn or Steve Collings? i dont think he would of if they was calling him out and was willing to come to the US and fight, no way RJJ would duck such a ****ty fighter like Collings

u must be from england..benn ducked roy and steve collins wasnt were fighting..he is and was a nobody.

Collins would cause Roy problems and if you cant see that then theres something not right with you,I'm talking about the 95-97 bull of war here and he would cause Roy problems by being at Roy's chest. Roy has not ever had an opponent with the workrate,fearlessness and durablity of Collins,if Collins managed to cause alot of infighting with Roy then his aggressiveness and workrate would win him some rounds.

Stevie Collins was always very awkward and ultra-tough .. and The Celtic Warrior he became would cause ANYBODY problems! Stevie was always as tough as nails but Boston's Steve Collins could be outboxed with speed and good defence .. however, you just have to remember that Boston's Steve Collins is NOT The Celtic Warrior .. lets get this straight, NOBODY would be able to 'dominate' The Celtic Warrior, I think that those who say Collins has no chance are both very biased towards RJjnr and are only considering Boston's Steve Collins rather than The Celtic Warrior version of Steve Collins!

I'm a fan of RJjnr but I appreciate Stevie and what he went on to achieve after letting his frustration out on Eubank's sparring partner Pyatt that took him out of depression .. and with the help of a hypnotist, Freddie Roach, and a weight-training coach he somehow managed to defeat Eubank (though controversial) ending Eubank's long undefeated record in a huge shock upset with tonnes of determination in front of his Irish people and then live the life that he'd always dreamed .. respect ..

Collins would cause Roy problems and if you cant see that then theres something not right with you,I'm talking about the 95-97 bull of war here and he would cause Roy problems by being at Roy's chest. Roy has not ever had an opponent with the workrate,fearlessness and durablity of Collins,if Collins managed to cause alot of infighting with Roy then his aggressiveness and workrate would win him some rounds.

I compare Collins to Merqui Sosa & he'd get dominated just the same. If you ever saw him fight he was a durable pressure chest to chest type fighter & Jones destroyed & dominated fighters like that. The 94-97 version Jones would be extremely hard to beat for anyone from 175 down to middle.

I compare Collins to Merqui Sosa & he'd get dominated just the same. If you ever saw him fight he was a durable pressure chest to chest type fighter & Jones destroyed & dominated fighters like that. The 94-97 version Jones would be extremely hard to beat for anyone from 175 down to middle.
With all due respect,Merqui Sosa wasn't The Celtic Warrior.

With all due respect,Merqui Sosa wasn't The Celtic Warrior.

They're similar in styles but Collins may have been a little more polished but not by much. Regardless Jones would've embarassed Collins into retirement.

Benn would have ****ED JONES UP SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY. I like Jones, keep this in mind. I'm just saying, Benn would definately have beaten jones back then inside six rounds. This is why Jones never fought him..

Nigel Benn is the type of person who would actually have a chance vs 12 or 13 regular people beating him down in a parking lot because he'd KEEP GETTING BACK UP...


I can see Jones watching a Benn fight in the mid 90s..."Damn, that guys tough, I don't wanna **** with that monster.."

as much as i like jones, i laughed when he said this on the Countdown to Tarver Jones 3..."other people should bet dey money on me cuz im ready to give my life"

88 Benn Vs 91 RJ would of been scarey while it lasted, I'd probably go with Benn because rushing in more (RJ tended to rush in abit back then) against the Benn of 88 would be a big, big mistake for anybody.

Benn that fought McClellan against Jones Jr that fought Toney would be a damn good fight, both men are more brittle than McClellan and Toney, but you'd have to go with Benn if he turned it into a slugfest and Jones Jr decided to trade.

So what was the McCallum V Collings fight like

So what was the McCallum V Collings fight like
Collins suffered stage fright but once he got into the fight I would say that he won about three or four of the last five or six rounds, I remember the fight featured alot of infighting with the judges favoring McCallum's accuracy over Collins' aggression although every round round was very competitive, I mean that no round McCallum won was a blowout and every round was close .. McCallum was stripped of the WBA title for not giving Collins a rematch, I believe Collins could of outworked McCallum a couple years later in the rematch when McCallum was an older, slower, less active version, it would of probably been either 6-6 or 7-5 either way if they had a rematch because Collins wouldnt be so nervous from the start ..
Collins certainly was robbed against Reggie Johnson and I believe Reggie Johnson around that time would of been a little too slick and quick for McCallum around that time (although the McCallum that fought Collins a couple of years earlier would of had way too much for Reggie Johnson) ..

McCallum quickly let it be known after the Collins fight that no ammount of money would entice him back into a ring with Collins again! A few years ago Mike described Collins as "the hardest man I ever faced" ..

Stevie Collins was calling out Roy Jones at every opportunity for no fewer than six years (93 to 99) and the German Darius was calling out Roy Jones at every opportunity for no fewer than seven years (96 to 03),now how those fights didnt ever happen well only Roy can answer that.

This issue is debated a lot...but if we were being truly honest - Roy Jones wud have outclassed these opponents.

Nigel Benn was finished after the GMac fight - i think that fight took everything out of benn and he was neva the same fighter again. I think Roy wud have picked Benn apart cos of Benn's straight up go forward style. In an interview Juy Juy sent couple of days ago benn himself spoke of roy jones with the utmost of respect and basically said he was second to him in the diviison

I think the collins fight wud have been a bit like the roy v vinne p fight....pressure fighter who roy picks off - thou i think steve collins wud have made it a lot closer.

For me steve collins fought the wat glen johnson fights now - and i think we all agree in roy jones' prime he wudnt have lost to johnson.

u must be from england..benn ducked roy and steve collins wasnt were fighting..he is and was a nobody.
Nah man im in canada, never been 2 england in my life

Stevie Collins was calling out Roy Jones at every opportunity for no fewer than six years (93 to 99) and the German Darius was calling out Roy Jones at every opportunity for no fewer than seven years (96 to 03),now how those fights didnt ever happen well only Roy can answer that.
You know, it's ****ing Ridiculous when you think about it. All the best fighters were calling out Jones Jr but he didn't fight any of them. It's ridiculous man. I remember when Collins was coming out of retirement in 1999 to challenge Jones Jr, why didn't the fight happen then FFS?

did RJJ duck Nigel Benn or Steve Collings? i dont think he would of if they was calling him out and was willing to come to the US and fight, no way RJJ would duck such a ****ty fighter like Collings


NO.

Roy fought by far the best guy at 168 in James Toney why have to fight the # 2 or # 5 guy?

NO.

Roy fought by far the best guy at 168 in James Toney why have to fight the # 2 or # 5 guy?
At the time of the Toney-Jones fight, Benn and Eubank were top two at 168. However, Toney was lb4lb #1 (defeated lb4lb star Nunn at 160 and remained unbeaten despite poor performances, then Whitaker on the slide at the same time as Toney pulls out good wins against Littles and Williams).

At the time of the Toney-Jones fight, Benn and Eubank were top two at 168. However, Toney was lb4lb #1 (defeated lb4lb star Nunn at 160 and remained unbeaten despite poor performances, then Whitaker on the slide at the same time as Toney pulls out good wins against Littles and Williams).


You are so full of **** it is amazing. James Toney was regarded as one of the 3 best p4p fighters on the planet at that time yet you try and tell me he was ranked 3rd in his own division.

Please dont forget wins over Mike McCallum and Iran Barkley for Toney aswell.

You are so full of **** it is amazing. James Toney was regarded as one of the 3 best p4p fighters on the planet at that time yet you try and tell me he was ranked 3rd in his own division.

Please dont forget wins over Mike McCallum and Iran Barkley for Toney aswell.
The unknown Toney became a lb4lb star after defeating lb4lb star Nunn, but despite poor performance after poor performance he was remaining unbeaten and so couldn't really drop out of the lb4lb rankings. He got his gifts against a washed-up McCallum at 160, and Barkley was atleast five years past his best. It wasn't until his win over undefeated Tim Littles (after suffering a cut eye from a clash of heads with Littles, Toney was given one more and just went out there and stopped him) that he clawed his way into top five lb4lb. And it wasn't until Whitaker's poor performances and Toney's impressive win over Prince Charles Williams that Toney became lb4lb #1.

But the top two at 168 had been Benn and Eubank for years, they had about 50 world title fights between them at that weight and their fights were screened World-Wide whereas Toney only made about two of three defences at that weight and his fights were only screened in America (those that were screened at all).

KO Magazine rankings had Benn and Eubank top two at 168, with Toney lb4lb #1. And rightfully so.

And anyway after Benn defeated top five lb4lb McClellan he became lb4lb #2, while Toney dropped out of the lb4lb rankings altogether after his loss to Griffin (although I think he did enough to get a draw with Griffin).

Zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz huh wha huh? Oh are you still talking?

And anyway after Benn defeated top five lb4lb McClellan he became lb4lb #2, while Toney dropped out of the lb4lb rankings altogether after his loss to Griffin (although I think he did enough to get a draw with Griffin).

and who was number 1 £4£ during this period? oh thats right....Roy Jones Jr.

Face it - benn wud have lost to roy jones. benn didnt even beat eubank or collins! He wasnt even the best fighter in britain. Oh and watson beat him to, and malinga. Damn.

did RJJ duck Nigel Benn or Steve Collings? i dont think he would of if they was calling him out and was willing to come to the US and fight, no way RJJ would duck such a ****ty fighter like Collings

don't know if he ducked them, but he sure had no reason too. At the time, neither one of those guys would have stood a chance against Jones.

I think the Benn against G Man ot the PreGMAN Benn if he was at his best woulda broken RJJs glass chin at some point and it pains me to say this becauseRJJ is one of my herso. Collins would have been outclassed

benn didnt even beat eubank or collins! He wasnt even the best fighter in britain. Oh and watson beat him to, and malinga. Damn.
I think Benn beat Eubank at 168 (Eubank got it all wrong in his preparations 'filling out' for Benn, he looked so sloppy compared to his usual slick self), and Benn certainly would of beaten Collins if he wasn't shot. We all know what happened in the Watson fight, Benn looked awesome. I felt Malinga did enough to get a draw with Benn in the first fight, but if the referee did his job right Benn would of won the second fight even though he was shot (if referee hadn't called that clear slip at the end a "knockdown" Benn would of got the decision in second Malinga fight).

You'll remember after the second Collins fight, when the crowd were booing Benn, Collins grabbed the microphone and said "You people should be ashamed of yourselves, that man (Benn) is the best fighter that Britain has ever produced so get up on your feet and give him a round of applause."

Hatton was nine yrs younger than Zoo and Zoo had been very inactive. Collins was five yrs older than RJJ and RJJ had been putting on breathtaking displays every couple mnths.

Hatton is better than Collins
RJJ is better than Zoo

Hatton was quick and Zoo wasnt

Collins was sslloooooooooww.., RJJ was FAST!

stupid comparison dude, stupid.
By the way I dont rate Hatton or Tszyu as highly as most, I think PBF would be far too quick for Tszyu is they fought and RJJ is different class to Hatton or Tszyu they couldnt carry his jockstrap. (Nige was better p4p than Hatton IMO).

Hatton isnt even the best 140 pounder in britain let alone the world.

(Witter is the only fighter who has a chance against PBF)

Moschino - Roy Jones one of my heroes to...i just dont think been wud have connected. I reckon RJJ wud have run away as much as he cud and out box the guy....kinda like wat pbf wud try and do against hatton. I really wanna see that fight happen...i dont think pbf can knock hatton out (hatton took some serious licks against tzyu and survived fine) so i reckon it will go 12rds watever....

I just watched a couple of Collins fights & i agree this guy was one tough cookie, he could walk through punches. He had no talent though and just relied on brawling tactics. Collins VERY dirty fighter- uses the head alot (leads with head and rubs his head against opponents head kind of thing), grabbin opponents arm while he bashes in uppercuts or kidney shots or elbows to neck. A disgrace to the sport of boxing which is supposed to be an art not a streetfight. Collins looks to me like he never really learned how to punch properly, but ofcourse he was very effective cos i guess opponents werent expectin poor quality and such awkward brawling. With a good referee he would be DQ'd against RJJ or if he tried to trade punches then RJJ would batter him and I'd fear for Collins health,

That guy Collins was actually grabbin a guy in a headlock from da front with one arm while he pounded away at him with his other arm, some body needed to teach him a lesson

I just watched a couple of Collins fights & i agree this guy was one tough cookie, he could walk through punches. He had no talent though and just relied on brawling tactics. Collins VERY dirty fighter- uses the head alot (leads with head and rubs his head against opponents head kind of thing), grabbin opponents arm while he bashes in uppercuts or kidney shots or elbows to neck. A disgrace to the sport of boxing which is supposed to be an art not a streetfight. Collins looks to me like he never really learned how to punch properly, but ofcourse he was very effective cos i guess opponents werent expectin poor quality and such awkward brawling. With a good referee he would be DQ'd against RJJ or if he tried to trade punches then RJJ would batter him and I'd fear for Collins health,
Was one of those fights against Carr?

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