http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-shoot1oct01,0,33725.story?coll=la-home-nation

Only in America :nono:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-shoot1oct01,0,33725.story?coll=la-home-nation


...You may have more than a few people "jumping the gun" so to speak. I could see a road rage incident or two escalating into a he said she said incident in which somebody gets shot when they weren't going to "attack" the other person. They are refering to it more as the "stand your ground rule" by the way. It will definitely get more than a few scumbags shot for being scumbags but it is a tricky law to say the least. Another reason I should probably go purchase my first firearm.

...You may have more than a few people "jumping the gun" so to speak. I could see a road rage incident or two escalating into a he said she said incident in which somebody gets shot when they weren't going to "attack" the other person. They are refering to it more as the "stand your ground rule" by the way. It will definitely get more than a few scumbags shot for being scumbags but it is a tricky law to say the least. Another reason I should probably go purchase my first firearm.
Your a Floridian and you dont own a firearm?!? :eek:

Your a Floridian and you dont own a firearm?!? :eek:


....A 3 year old and a 5 year old are two good reasons not to own one.

I'm suprised a left winger like Lukahnli has a problem with that.

I don't like it.

I'm suprised a left winger like Lukahnli has a problem with that.

I don't like it.

That statement makes no sense Jack.

Only in America :nono:

Don't start putting down America again if you want our truce to last.

Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. the **** heads that will shoot you for nothing already have guns anyway. If i was a **** ass that was about to hold some joint up i would definetly think twice if everyone in the mofo may be packing

Sometimes those are the best reasons to own one. You have to be responsiable of course, but when it comes to protecting my family, my wife and I are both card carrying gun owners.


...Yeah, I understand that owning now is much safer with gun locks and stuff like that. I may actually purchase soon and definitley get one that can't be used without circumventing safeguards. I will also put it in my bedroom closet attic space. It has no ladder and is impossible to get to for a kid.

That statement makes no sense Jack.

Yes it does.

It makes jack_the_rippuh sense.

Bernhard Goetz was a hero.

**** these scumbag thiefs and thugs. If someone is threatening your life or property they deserve to have their heads blown off.

Just ask my boy Charles Bronson

Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. the **** heads that will shoot you for nothing already have guns anyway. If i was a **** ass that was about to hold some joint up i would definetly think twice if everyone in the mofo may be packing

Right on my man. I pity the fool who breaks into my home unwelcome.

Right on my man. I pity the fool who breaks into my home unwelcome.
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lol at the plate and spoon.

Its a good law, though the LA times and other liberal papers/sites are painting florida to be the next wild west, read the law and you will see there isnt anything wrong with it. Before you had to flee and only if you could not flee could you then use deadly force (if it was warrented). Also this law now protects the victims from being sued by the criminals for protecting themselves.

http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=hb024902c2.html&Directory=session/2005/House/bills/billtext/html/

I like the fact that you can bring your gun to work and if the company tells you not to carry it you can have their asses hauled into jail.

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I think if followed and interpeted properly it is an o.k. law...too many people innocent people have tp run scared or just give up if confronted with an armed criminal and should have every right if possible to defend themselves and that includes killing them if they feel they have no other choice. ;)

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You sick bastard. :mad:

You truley are a jedi santino. :D

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LOL badblood strikes again.

Gun violence in the States is ****ed up. I feel sorry for you guys with that. How did it get so out of hand?

Gun violence in the States is ****ed up. I feel sorry for you guys with that. How did it get so out of hand?

An armed citizenry is a vital part of our history.

An armed citizenry is a vital part of our history.

I guess that explains it to a certain extent, but the same is true of other countries. Germany was militarized before the States even existed...though I guess it's had all its aggresive tendencies "reformed" out of it. Even France though was pretty militaristic for a while.

Gun violence in the States is ****ed up. I feel sorry for you guys with that. How did it get so out of hand?

You wont get such nonsense in Canada. Good ol Canada. You are Canadian, right? :confused:

You wont get such nonsense in Canada. Good ol Canada. You are Canadian, right? :confused:

Yeah, I'm a canuck :cool: . I didn't say that cause I was trying to badmouth the States or anything. But everyone will agree I'm sure that the gun violence is way out of hand. I don't even think changing the laws would do it, it's part of the culture. It's not like it's that hard to get a gun up here if you wanted to.

When I was in the UK I felt safer than I even do here. You guys know how to keep things in good order.

Yeah, I'm a canuck :cool: . I didn't say that cause I was trying to badmouth the States or anything. But everyone will agree I'm sure that the gun violence is way out of hand. I don't even think changing the laws would do it, it's part of the culture. It's not like it's that hard to get a gun up here if you wanted to.

When I was in the UK I felt safer than I even do here. You guys know how to keep things in good order.

Yeah it is safer here, thats for sure. Illegal to own a gun here. Period.

Although, we do have a binge drinking problem here which does lead to much violence and does make people feel very unsafe with all these drunken guys roaming around late at night.

They calling it the Wild Wild West law, now in the airport they have warnings for vistors to be careful, I heard about it a few months ago, a drug dealer was talking about it...I could shoot someone on the street if I think he wants to invade my property(house)..

Yeah it is safer here, thats for sure. Illegal to own a gun here. Period.

Although, we do have a binge drinking problem here which does lead to much violence and does make people feel very unsafe with all these drunken guys roaming around late at night.

UK = Soccer hooligans

Brits are still cool with me though.

Just don't be bad mouthing the US and we're cool.

The country that I've been to that I felt the safest in was Spain. People there are all friendly (ETA terrorists excepted, of course).

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my link does work and your link is just stupid (Troll)

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Would you quit posting that!

I know in my home state (Iowa) just about anybody can get a consealed weapons permit. Unless your a criminal. You take a class and get check out by the sheriff and stuff. After that you can pack heat almost anywhere, except bars, and other places that are serving alcohol.
Then if your lifes in danger you can use deadly force. Our local coroner less than a year ago shot and killed his wifes ex husband for comming into his house. No charges filed.

Im sorry, i might get unpopular by saying this but....

Anyone who thinks its ok to carry a gun around, needs their head checked out.

Guns are a sign of society going mad and the law is not airtight. It will be abused, and its simply wrong by any normal constitution to allow people to shoot.

Its just as bad as England having said that. ****ing cops going round shooting innocent civilians in train stations. NOT EVEN THE ****ING JUDGES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE A DEATH PENALTY TO ANYONE (and thats after the case has passed through judge and jury). So what the **** gives the damn police the right to kill people!

Sorry. Im against the whole thing....

P.s i didnt read the article, i picked up the topic of conversation from what people said. So correct me if im wrong on any matter like that....

Im sorry, i might get unpopular by saying this but....

Anyone who thinks its ok to carry a gun around, needs their head checked out.

Guns are a sign of society going mad and the law is not airtight. It will be abused, and its simply wrong by any normal constitution to allow people to shoot.

Its just as bad as England having said that. ****ing cops going round shooting innocent civilians in train stations. NOT EVEN THE ****ING JUDGES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE A DEATH PENALTY TO ANYONE (and thats after the case has passed through judge and jury). So what the **** gives the damn police the right to kill people!

Sorry. Im against the whole thing....

P.s i didnt read the article, i picked up the topic of conversation from what people said. So correct me if im wrong on any matter like that....
You have never been to America have you?This also is not about the police it is about citizens good working law abiding citizens being able to defend themselves against *******s.No pun just saying.

You have never been to America have you?
Nope. But i know my principles, so i dont need to.

If I ever go to America, I'm never gonna **** with a Yank coz they all carry guns there. They even go to bed with one.

You have never been to America have you?This also is not about the police it is about citizens good working law abiding citizens being able to defend themselves against *******s.No pun just saying.
Seriously. Guns = wrong move.

If I ever go to America, I'm never gonna **** with a Yank coz they all carry guns there. They even go to bed with one.
"Whats to stop it blowing your balls off everytime you sit down"

We have too loose gun controls if you ask me.

that being said, the cops in Englad were right in shooting that guy. He left from a suspicious house, jumped a barrier to the "tube" and was dressed suspiciously. They thought he was a suicide bomber. Dude shouldnt have been an illegal alien.
Seriously. Guns = wrong move.

What most people dont realize that there are tons of people who do. Ive met many, many people who do have their concealed weapons permit and you would never guess it.

"Whats to stop it blowing your balls off everytime you sit down"

I didn't mean **** as in sex, what I meant was I wouldn't get into an agro or tussle with a Yank. Most prob. pull a gun out and blow your head off.

I didn't mean **** as in sex, what I meant was I wouldn't get into an agro or tussle with a Yank. Most prob. pull a gun out and blow your head off.
Nah, you got me confused homie. :D

you said they virtually go to sleep with their gun. Then i said that quote from Snatch. Read it over you will understand....

Seriously. Guns = wrong move.
I somewhat agree...I am not allowed to own a gun due to past situations but thats neither here nor there... it is the way it is and Criminals are not allowed to have guns but still do...meaning the average Joe needs to have the right to defend himself against these people.This is not England it is quite violent all over here.

We have too loose gun controls if you ask me.

that being said, the cops in Englad were right in shooting that guy. He left from a suspicious house, jumped a barrier to the "tube" and was dressed suspiciously. They thought he was a suicide bomber. Dude shouldnt have been an illegal alien.
Im sorry, i hope this doesnt end up in a flame war now, but i strongly disagree with what you just said.

He left from a suspicious house (so did the postman that morning), he jumped the barrier (thats a rumour that was false, as witnesses and CCTV showed), he was dressed suspiciously (no that was also false, he was dressed in a denim jacket). And the dude shouldnt have been an illegal alien (he wasnt, he had a permit to be here, and he did nothing illegal).

In my book, what happened to him is murder... Simple as.

And in my book, murder is unacceptable.

Nah, you got me confused homie. :D

you said they virtually go to sleep with their gun. Then i said that quote from Snatch. Read it over you will understand....

Okay, get it now. Snatch was an okay film. But not that good. Got a bit boring for me.

I somewhat agree...I am not allowed to own a gun due to past situations but thats neither here nor there... it is the way it is and Criminals are not allowed to have guns but still do...meaning the average Joe needs to have the right to defend himself against these people.This is not England it is quite violent all over here.
Guns = ****ed up society.

If America want to put a cease to gun crime, the education system needs to be improved. As does the availability of these weapons and the gun crime culture that exists in America needs to be tackled. And in my opinion the best way to do this is not to give everyone a gun, but to eliminate guns.

Okay, get it now. Snatch was an okay film. But not that good. Got a bit boring for me.
Are you kidding me?

That film is one of my favourite films of all time....

Oh well. :)

Guns = ****ed up society.

If America want to put a cease to gun crime, the education system needs to be improved. As does the availability of these weapons and the gun crime culture that exists in America needs to be tackled. And in my opinion the best way to do this is not to give everyone a gun, but to eliminate guns.
Why so England can take us over again?LOL You just don't understand it is in our history ,our culture,hearts as Americans to be free to be armed.Don't forget history we were not always the ****ERS....We have been the ****EES and won't be ever again because we are well armed.

Why so England can take us over again?LOL You just don't understand it is in our history ,our culture,hearts as Americans to be free to be armed.Don't forget history we were not always the ****ERS....We have been the ****EES and won't be ever again because we are well armed.
Mega respect for you on everything else.

But not this. I wont comment on that post. I dont feel a need to. All i will say is. Invasion is not imminent. lol.

Mega respect for you on everything else.

But not this. I wont comment on that post. I dont feel a need to. All i will say is. Invasion is not imminent. lol.
I know I was just making an example...we tend to stick to what our forfathers wrote in law way back on very few subjects as Americans but Free Speech and right to bear Arms are just not the one not two of those subjects.

well im glad you want your cops to ask questions when they think they have a suicide bomber. not realistic.
Im sorry, i hope this doesnt end up in a flame war now, but i strongly disagree with what you just said.

He left from a suspicious house (so did the postman that morning), he jumped the barrier (thats a rumour that was false, as witnesses and CCTV showed), he was dressed suspiciously (no that was also false, he was dressed in a denim jacket). And the dude shouldnt have been an illegal alien (he wasnt, he had a permit to be here, and he did nothing illegal).

In my book, what happened to him is murder... Simple as.

And in my book, murder is unacceptable.

well im glad you want your cops to ask questions when they think they have a suicide bomber. not realistic.
Im glad you think its OK to murder innocent people.

Not even judges have that power. Now the police think they do.

Dont ****ing think so.

Im glad you think its OK to murder innocent people.

Not even judges have that power. Now the police think they do.

Dont ****ing think so.
you are being too sensitive...Life is a mother****er and has no mercy..you would be so kind if a member of your immediate family was one of these *******s victims...Tupac would be dissapointed in you.

you are being too sensitive...Life is a mother****er and has no mercy..you would be so kind if a member of your immediate family was one of these *******s victims...Tupac would be dissapointed in you.
2pac hated corrupt police, corrupt society, ****ed up rules, double standards. I stand against all of those equally.

Im not being too sensitive. Its simple as that. Murder is not forgiveable. Whether its in Iraq (illegal occuption for those that dont know), or whether its in your own country. The dude was killed, he was innocent. Thats all there is to it. If the government passes the new terrorism bill they want to pass the state of this country will be so bad IMO.

2pac hated corrupt police, corrupt society, ****ed up rules, double standards. I stand against all of those equally.

Im not being too sensitive. Its simple as that. Murder is not forgiveable. Whether its in Iraq (illegal occuption for those that dont know), or whether its in your own country. The dude was killed, he was innocent. Thats all there is to it. If the government passes the new terrorism bill they want to pass the state of this country will be so bad IMO.
Your right but missing the point....

he represented a threat.
only fools would question a would be suicide bomber
Im glad you think its OK to murder innocent people.

Not even judges have that power. Now the police think they do.

Dont ****ing think so.

dude shouldnt have been running from cops.
2pac hated corrupt police, corrupt society, ****ed up rules, double standards. I stand against all of those equally.

Im not being too sensitive. Its simple as that. Murder is not forgiveable. Whether its in Iraq (illegal occuption for those that dont know), or whether its in your own country. The dude was killed, he was innocent. Thats all there is to it. If the government passes the new terrorism bill they want to pass the state of this country will be so bad IMO.

dude shouldnt have been running from cops.
He wasnt running from the cops. And anyway. Its not a crime to run away from the cops, and neither was anything else he did during that day. He was a law abiding citizen.

he represented a threat.
only fools would question a would be suicide bomber
He represented as much of a threat as the normal average guy walking down the street. No threat at all.....

he was running and left a suspicious home under surveillance
if you think hes going to kill someone the cops shouldnt take a chance in capturing him alive
what if he was a bomber? you want him alive? he aint gonna be taken down alive. hes gonna blow himself up before being caught killing people.
He represented as much of a threat as the normal average guy walking down the street. No threat at all.....

Guns = ****ed up society.

If America want to put a cease to gun crime, the education system needs to be improved. As does the availability of these weapons and the gun crime culture that exists in America needs to be tackled. And in my opinion the best way to do this is not to give everyone a gun, but to eliminate guns.

Get off your high horse and take your balls out of your purse.

Come on, we do have a gun problem. We dont need all the guns we have. My family doesnt have a gun for those that think guns = freedom.
Get off your high horse and take your balls out of your purse.

Come on, we do have a gun problem. We dont need all the guns we have. My family doesnt have a gun for those that think guns = freedom.

Who gives a rat's ass about your family?

You're flaming....
Who gives a rat's ass about your family?

You're flaming....

I'm just saying your families actions aren't the determining factor for what is right or normal.

Guns are one of thiose divisive issues like abortion. There is no right or wrong answer. Just individual opinions.

Why do we need so many guns? There is no need.
I'm just saying your families actions aren't the determining factor for what is right or normal.

Guns are one of thiose divisive issues like abortion. There is no right or wrong answer. Just individual opinions.

Why do we need so many guns? There is no need.

So don't own one. But don't tell me that I can't have one.

Why not make bombs legal too? Why stop at guns?

Why not make bombs legal too? Why stop at guns?

Don't be stupid. The vast majority of americans who own guns have them for one of 3 reasons. Hunting, sport, home defense.

Criminals and gang bangers have guns for other reasons, but what do you think would happen if personal gun ownership was suddenly made illegal? Here's a hint, criminals and gang bangers would still have guns and everyone else would be defenseless.

You know yourself gangs arent going after families. Theyre going after other gang members.

You know yourself gangs arent going after families. Theyre going after other gang members.

Armed robbery happens all the time. Thugs breaking into private homes and businesses trying to take **** that doesn't belong to them.

Punks deserve to get shot.

By cops, not civilians.
Armed robbery happens all the time. Thugs breaking into private homes and businesses trying to take **** that doesn't belong to them.

Punks deserve to get shot.

Im sorry, i might get unpopular by saying this but....

Anyone who thinks its ok to carry a gun around, needs their head checked out.

I really don't understand why anyone would need to have their head checked out but that is your opinion your entitled to it.

Guns are a sign of society going mad and the law is not airtight. It will be abused, and its simply wrong by any normal constitution to allow people to shoot.

Guns are not a sign of a society going mad, every society since the creation of firearms has them. Your right the law is not airtight, you know what no law is airtight hence why there is so much litigation and leangthy trials. If it wasn't for our society having firearms WE AMERICANS would not have a Constitution.

Its just as bad as England having said that. ****ing cops going round shooting innocent civilians in train stations. NOT EVEN THE ****ING JUDGES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE A DEATH PENALTY TO ANYONE (and thats after the case has passed through judge and jury). So what the **** gives the damn police the right to kill people!

Don't know enough about that situation to comment

Sorry. Im against the whole thing....

Again your opinion and your entitled to it.

P.s i didnt read the article, i picked up the topic of conversation from what people said. So correct me if im wrong on any matter like that....

You notice how I didn't comment on the above issue because I didn't know anything about it? You might want to learn to do the same...Beter to have people think you are stupid then prove to them you are.

Have a good one

Social inequality leads to violence, not necessarily guns. That's why countries with big gaps between rich and poor have higher crime rates. Brazil is one of the worst offenders for this and crime there is terrible. The States has the higest gap among first world countries so it has problems as well.

I don't agree with rampant gun ownership but I think harping on it too much clouds the real issues. As for this law, it's a little odd but I don't think it's really going to chance things. People don't determine their behaviour solely based on what's legal and what's not. As a very different example, here in Ontario the laws against women going topless were struck down a few years ago, but the streets aren't exactly full of breast-baring women.

Have I mentioned how much I love my Glocks? :luvbed:

I really don't understand why anyone would need to have their head checked out but that is your opinion your entitled to it.



Guns are not a sign of a society going mad, every society since the creation of firearms has them. Your right the law is not airtight, you know what no law is airtight hence why there is so much litigation and leangthy trials. If it wasn't for our society having firearms WE AMERICANS would not have a Constitution.



Don't know enough about that situation to comment



Again your opinion and your entitled to it.



You notice how I didn't comment on the above issue because I didn't know anything about it? You might want to learn to do the same...Beter to have people think you are stupid then prove to them you are.

Have a good one
Dont tell me what i can and cant post on, and what i can and cant look at.

I decided not to look at the article, because i couldnt be bothered. But what i cant understand is. Why are you *****ing about it? The topic is clearly, along the lines of, are guns right or wrong (in florida), but i decided to make it more of an open discussion.

So dont tell me, just cos i havent read the article that i cant post here. **** outta here.

Ps Btw, every society has guns. But not on the level that America does, and not with the same uncontrollable element that America has it. And there are many airtight laws. The reason cases go on for so long is due to the complexity of the case....

Get off your high horse and take your balls out of your purse.
Huh? Since when did you feel the need to write **** like this to me. Usually me and you have proper discussions. We try not to go down to the level of certain trolls on these boards when talking to each other. Whats changed all of a sudden?

And why dont you agree with what i said. Education and reducing the availability of guns would help the situation a lot in my opinion. That alongside a better, less corrupt police force and a more effective police force, would lead to all time low's in gun crime if you ask me.

Where do you disagree?

Social inequality leads to violence, not necessarily guns. That's why countries with big gaps between rich and poor have higher crime rates. Brazil is one of the worst offenders for this and crime there is terrible. The States has the higest gap among first world countries so it has problems as well.

I don't agree with rampant gun ownership but I think harping on it too much clouds the real issues. As for this law, it's a little odd but I don't think it's really going to chance things. People don't determine their behaviour solely based on what's legal and what's not. As a very different example, here in Ontario the laws against women going topless were struck down a few years ago, but the streets aren't exactly full of breast-baring women.

That's a shame.

Huh? Since when did you feel the need to write **** like this to me. Usually me and you have proper discussions. We try not to go down to the level of certain trolls on these boards when talking to each other. Whats changed all of a sudden?

Possibly because he feels you are 'putting down' america with your comments. This is what he said to me when I stated that you would only find this gun law in America. Yet at the same time he calls Canadians uncivilised for clubbing Seals. Hypocrite.

Possibly because he feels you are 'putting down' america with your comments. This is what he said to me when I stated that you would only find this gun law in America. Yet at the same time he calls Canadians uncivilised for clubbing Seals. Hypocrite.
Im not putting America down at all. I was making a general statement about any country in the world that relaxes gun laws like this. I think i said. Funs = ****ed up society or something like that.

That wasnt only specific to America. I also criticised the UK and its gun situation blah blah....

Possibly because he feels you are 'putting down' america with your comments. This is what he said to me when I stated that you would only find this gun law in America. Yet at the same time he calls Canadians uncivilised for clubbing Seals. Hypocrite.

STFU for christ sakes. Canadians are fine, my comment was a joke, but I wouldn't expect somebody who cant tell a billion from 10 million or somebody who thinks humans can bare offspring with other species to know that. :rolleyes:

Clubbing seals is uncivilized but only a tiny fraction of Canadians do it.

You guys think you have all the answers but you don't know **** about our history or our culture. We have plenty of gun safety education in the US and 99.9% of gun owners never fire their gun at another human.

If you don't want to own a gun don't buy one. If you feel unsafe visiting the US don't visit. But save the holier than thou bs for somebody who cares.

You guys think you have all the answers but you don't know **** about our history or our culture. We have plenty of gun safety education in the US and 99.9% of gun owners never fire their gun at another human.

If you don't want to own a gun don't buy one. If you feel unsafe visiting the US don't visit. But save the holier than thou bs for somebody who cares.
I wasnt talking about a decent gun education. I was talking about a decent education overall. A step in the right direction in life, so these "gangsters" dont abuse the laws laid down and begin to shoot people. I dont need to know about your culture to tell you what would work IMO. RE-education leads to a much lower chance of criminals recommiting offences when they leave prison. Thats a fact.


I do feel safe enough to visit the US, and no i wont buy a gun, because i dont feel the need to, nor do i think it is proportional to the threat.

And if you dont care, then dont come on the thread. You have posted here at least 3-4 times, so you must care....

Dont tell me what i can and cant post on, and what i can and cant look at.

Never told you what you could and can't do, offered some friendly advice.


I decided not to look at the article, because i couldnt be bothered.

If you couldn't be bothered to look at the article and the reason the article was written why did you bother to post on it?

But what i cant understand is. Why are you *****ing about it?

exactly what am I *****ing about?

The topic is clearly, along the lines of, are guns right or wrong (in florida), but i decided to make it more of an open discussion.

No the topic is clearly on the New "Stand Your Ground Law" that went into effect October 1st 2005. Perhaps if you read the article, hell read the title of the thread you wouldn't now be looking like an idiot. Its fine to open the discussion a bit but you should educate yourself on the topic of the thread first

So dont tell me, just cos i havent read the article that i cant post here. **** outta here.

Hey, your right who am I to say "hey stop posting like an idiot" feel free to continue, I know better now of the ignorance you possess, thank you for making that perfectly clear.

Ps Btw, every society has guns. But not on the level that America does, and not with the same uncontrollable element that America has it. And there are many airtight laws. The reason cases go on for so long is due to the complexity of the case....

Well you should look at the Swiss where every Adult male is required by law to own a firearm. Also as far as the UK goes...

"If guns are outlawed," an American bumper sticker warns, "only outlaws will have guns." With gun crime in Britain soaring in the face of the strictest gun control laws of any democracy, the UK seems about to prove that warning prophetic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

well thats all for now, have a nice day.

P.S. figured I would give you a gift before I left so there isnt any hard feelings

:bottle:

Later

HAHAHAHA!!!! :lol1:

i say **** it lets get armed up to the nines

Never told you what you could and can't do, offered some friendly advice.




If you couldn't be bothered to look at the article and the reason the article was written why did you bother to post on it?



exactly what am I *****ing about?



No the topic is clearly on the New "Stand Your Ground Law" that went into effect October 1st 2005. Perhaps if you read the article, hell read the title of the thread you wouldn't now be looking like an idiot. Its fine to open the discussion a bit but you should educate yourself on the topic of the thread first



Hey, your right who am I to say "hey stop posting like an idiot" feel free to continue, I know better now of the ignorance you possess, thank you for making that perfectly clear.



Well you should look at the Swiss where every Adult male is required by law to own a firearm. Also as far as the UK goes...

"If guns are outlawed," an American bumper sticker warns, "only outlaws will have guns." With gun crime in Britain soaring in the face of the strictest gun control laws of any democracy, the UK seems about to prove that warning prophetic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

well thats all for now, have a nice day.

P.S. figured I would give you a gift before I left so there isnt any hard feelings

:bottle:

Later
You're not clever, you are stupid.

PBDS, Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law? Reply to Thread

^^Thats the name of the thread. Now tell me that i was posting on the wrong topic and that i need to educate myself on the topic before i post on it. Fool.

Perhaps if you read the article, hell read the title of the thread you wouldn't now be looking like an idiot. Its fine to open the discussion a bit but you should educate yourself on the topic of the thread first

^^Wrong. Wrong. And did i mention ... Wrong? Who is looking like the idiot now that the word Florida was in the thread? You.

If you couldn't be bothered to look at the article and the reason the article was written why did you bother to post on it?
I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off. People who get boners over the fact i admitted to not reading the article and subsequently told people to correct me if im wrong. You attempted to. Got it wrong yourself and now you look like a lil *****.

Have a ****e day.

That's a shame.

Could be both a good and bad thing, though, right?

Could be both a good and bad thing, though, right?
Hey what happened to Bombardier?

Just hit you up with some good k. You looked mighty weak there :D.

You're not clever, you are stupid.

PBDS, Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law? Reply to Thread

^^Thats the name of the thread. Now tell me that i was posting on the wrong topic and that i need to educate myself on the topic before i post on it. Fool.



^^Wrong. Wrong. And did i mention ... Wrong? Who is looking like the idiot now that the word Florida was in the thread? You.


I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off. People who get boners over the fact i admitted to not reading the article and subsequently told people to correct me if im wrong. You attempted to. Got it wrong yourself and now you look like a lil *****.

Have a ****e day.
Commenting on something you know nothing about doesn't make you look cool in other peoples eye - at least not anyone with half a brain.
Every word you type spews stupidity.

Commenting on something you know nothing about doesn't make you look cool in other peoples eye - at least not anyone with half a brain.
Every word you type spews stupidity.
I know nothing about it eh?

Well thats your opinion. I would like to hear your opinion on what i put forward, or even a better way to approach the problems in America and around the world....

Lets hear it. Until then. Shhhh.

You're not clever, you are stupid.

PBDS, Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law? Reply to Thread

^^Thats the name of the thread. Now tell me that i was posting on the wrong topic and that i need to educate myself on the topic before i post on it. Fool.

Well didn't realize at first PBDS was someone's user name so in that light I guess we all failed.



^^Wrong. Wrong. And did i mention ... Wrong? Who is looking like the idiot now that the word Florida was in the thread? You..

Well, actually you still do, for one that sentence doesn't make any sense. Are you refering that I didnt include "Florida" in what I was saying the topic was about? If so I thought you had the intelligence to scroll up.


I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off. People who get boners over the fact i admitted to not reading the article and subsequently told people to correct me if im wrong. You attempted to. Got it wrong yourself and now you look like a lil *****.

Have a ****e day.

Well its quite obvious you are a Troll, though you didn't piss me off, once again proving you are a failure.

oh and thanks for the Negative Karma (like I care)
Have a nice day Lil TROLL

Hey what happened to Bombardier?

Just hit you up with some good k. You looked mighty weak there :D.

Bombardier with a capital 'B' still exists, but I have to get this user up to 100 posts to join a lounge J! started up. Thing is with my old username I'm admin of the Fight Lounge so I can't join another.

I know I'm sort of breaking the rules here, but hopefully Rick won't mind. I've never played the secret identity game like a lot of other people.

Oh yeah, thanks for the k :D . I just wish I could add a custom name but it's empty right now.

I know nothing about it eh?

Well thats your opinion. I would like to hear your opinion on what i put forward, or even a better way to approach the problems in America and around the world....

Lets hear it. Until then. Shhhh.
Exig, a word of advice, do not argue gun laws or anything about guns to these 2 guys, they will make you look foolish, trust me on this one.

Exig, a word of advice, do not argue gun laws or anything about guns to these 2 guys, they will make you look foolish, trust me on this one.
Im not arguing gun laws with these dudes. I am saying basically, guns are bad news. A lot of people (mainly americans from what i have read so far) disagree with my viewpoint.

ffcracker's viewpoint is pending.....

I know nothing about it eh?

Well thats your opinion. I would like to hear your opinion on what i put forward, or even a better way to approach the problems in America and around the world....

Lets hear it. Until then. Shhhh.
Repost the points that you have made in a clear and understandable post and I will reply to them.
Most of your posts have such bad english that I find it very hard to read them without getting "lost in translation".

So I guess it comes down to being a Yes or No question and you still failed.





Well, actually you still do, for one that sentence doesn't make any sense. Are you refering that I didnt include "Florida" in what I was saying the topic was about? If so I thought you had the intelligence to scroll up.




Well its quite obvious you are a Troll, though you didn't piss me off, once again proving you are a failure.

oh and thanks for the Negative Karma (like I care)
Have a nice day Lil TROLL
Nothing was a yes or no question. And how did i fail? You cant fail in a discussion. Its not a mission/objective. Its expression.

You said to me, i dont know what im talking about (paraphrased). So i said, yes i do, i am talking about whether guns are good or bad in Florida. You then contradicted me, telling me i am wrong and that i should read the thread title, along with a load of other bull****. So i did it. And to my surprise, what do i find:

"... Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law?..."

So i was correct all along. This duscussion was about whether guns are good or bad (in florida) basically...

I am a troll? Yeah i trolled someone who has posted less than 20 times...














No.

Repost the points that you have made in a clear and understandable post and I will reply to them.
Most of your posts have such bad english that I find it very hard to read them without getting "lost in translation".
Guns = ****ed up society.

If America want to put a cease to gun crime, the education system needs to be improved. As does the availability of these weapons and the gun crime culture that exists in America needs to be tackled. And in my opinion the best way to do this is not to give everyone a gun, but to eliminate guns.
In the words of JHoover. "I thought you had the intelligence to scroll up".

Oh and clear English. Well this is the post i made like 4 pages back.... And the english is legible. Now would you care to answer?

Or did the = sign throw you off?

Im not arguing gun laws with these dudes. I am saying basically, guns are bad news. A lot of people (mainly americans from what i have read so far) disagree with my viewpoint.

ffcracker's viewpoint is pending.....
This is one I can understand!

Guns are not bad news. People that kill people ith guns are.

I have seven guns and not a single one of them has ever killed anyone. If they were evil wouldn't they have done so in the 15+ years I have owned them? The reason they don't is because I am a good, lawfull person that has no intentions of ever useing them in an illegal way.

Put a criminal in front of someone he wants to kill and he will kill that person. Gun or no gun, the man will die. Weather it's by the criminals hands or by another weapon he can find at his disposal.

Cops always "shoot darky" regardless of the situation or location.

Cops don't like non-whites.

This is one I can understand!

Guns are not bad news. People that kill people ith guns are.

I have seven guns and not a single one of them has ever killed anyone. If they were evil wouldn't they have done so in the 15+ years I have owned them? The reason they don't is because I am a good, lawfull person that has no intentions of ever useing them in an illegal way.

Put a criminal in front of someone he wants to kill and he will kill that person. Gun or no gun, the man will die. Weather it's by the criminals hands or by another weapon he can find at his disposal.
I disagree. Oh and btw:

Repost the points that you have made in a clear and understandable post and I will reply to them.
Most of your posts have such bad english that I find it very hard to read them without getting "lost in translation".

Coming from the man who spelt whether wrong. Dont tell me my English needs improving....

This is one I can understand!

Guns are not bad news. People that kill people ith guns are.

I have seven guns and not a single one of them has ever killed anyone. If they were evil wouldn't they have done so in the 15+ years I have owned them? The reason they don't is because I am a good, lawfull person that has no intentions of ever useing them in an illegal way.

Put a criminal in front of someone he wants to kill and he will kill that person. Gun or no gun, the man will die. Weather it's by the criminals hands or by another weapon he can find at his disposal.

People are not always so in control of their behaviour though. Put the gun argument aside for a second. Think of this way: some people are born alcholoics, more or less. They drink and then they can't stop. So they have to stay away from the stuff altogether. If they can then they lead a normal life, if not they **** things up back. It's an issue of temptation.

I don't know, the gun issue is tough. But it's interesting how in the States everyone breaks the issue down in terms of personal responsibility. As in, you have have complete control over your actions and everything you do is totally your fault, and that socio-economic factors don't come into play. This isn't necessarily untrue to a certain extent, but it's a tricky way of thinking. In the 19th century people used this sort of reasoning to justify that poor people and black people were somehow stupider than rich white folks, since they hadn't been able to elevate themselves in society properly.

Just a thought here.

You said to me, i dont know what im talking about (paraphrased). So i said, yes i do, i am talking about whether guns are good or bad in Florida. You then contradicted me, telling me i am wrong and that i should read the thread title, along with a load of other bull****. So i did it. And to my surprise, what do i find:

"... Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law?..."

So i was correct all along. This duscussion was about whether guns are good or bad (in florida) basically...


no again you are Wrong, the discusion is on florida's new Law "The Stand your Ground Law" not about whether guns are good or bad in florida.

A troll, in the context of the Internet or other online discussion forums, is a person who posts inflammatory messages for the primary purpose of disrupting the discussion or upsetting its participants. The word or its variant, trolling, is also used to describe such messages or the act of posting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Hope that helps.

People are not always so in control of their behaviour though. Put the gun argument aside for a second. Think of this way: some people are born alcholoics, more or less. They drink and then they can't stop. So they have to stay away from the stuff altogether. If they can then they lead a normal life, if not they **** things up back. It's an issue of temptation.

I don't know, the gun issue is tough. But it's interesting how in the States everyone breaks the issue down in terms of personal responsibility. As in, you have have complete control over your actions and everything you do is totally your fault, and that socio-economic factors don't come into play. This isn't necessarily untrue to a certain extent, but it's a tricky way of thinking. In the 19th century people used this sort of reasoning to justify that poor people and black people were somehow stupider than rich white folks, since they hadn't been able to elevate themselves in society properly.

Just a thought here.
And how true is that. Saying - i wont shoot anyone so the law is cool with me, is simply irresponsible.

Also, guns are an unecessary thing, and i dont care if you're an American or an Uzbekhistanian, guns dont need to be used. And the fact people feel the need for one, shows how ****ed up the police and all that is (society basically).

I tried to warn you exig.

I tried to warn you exig.

I guess he better watch out if he ever goes to Florida, since they're already "threatened" by him they could open fire immediately. :killyou:

haha, sorry guys, couldn't resist that one :) .

People are not always so in control of their behaviour though. Put the gun argument aside for a second. Think of this way: some people are born alcholoics, more or less. They drink and then they can't stop. So they have to stay away from the stuff altogether. If they can then they lead a normal life, if not they **** things up back. It's an issue of temptation.

I don't know, the gun issue is tough. But it's interesting how in the States everyone breaks the issue down in terms of personal responsibility. As in, you have have complete control over your actions and everything you do is totally your fault, and that socio-economic factors don't come into play. This isn't necessarily untrue to a certain extent, but it's a tricky way of thinking. In the 19th century people used this sort of reasoning to justify that poor people and black people were somehow stupider than rich white folks, since they hadn't been able to elevate themselves in society properly.

Just a thought here.
Thats very true but their has to be a point that people take resoncibility for there actions and not put the blame on an object.

no again you are Wrong, the discusion is on florida's new Law "The Stand your Ground Law" not about whether guns are good or bad in florida.

A troll, in the context of the Internet or other online discussion forums, is a person who posts inflammatory messages for the primary purpose of disrupting the discussion or upsetting its participants. The word or its variant, trolling, is also used to describe such messages or the act of posting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Hope that helps.
I never said that this duscussion was solely about that topic. I said it is "along the lines of" that. As it was. When i entered the thread, people had mentioned the July 7 terrorist attacks and were also supporting the law. I then told people what i thought on the topic. It evolved from a question directed at one poster (pbds), to a discussion about guns and whether they are necessary and what not. So i am correct and you are wrong....

Also, i didnt disrupt the discussion. You did. Firstly you were new to the discussion, secondly you decided to target me and tell me that i should read the article otherwise i might somehow look stupid or my opinion wont be respected. What the **** has that got to do with the discussion. You come on here and talk **** like that. Then call me a troll....

Rethink that one....

People kill people not guns. Guns are nothing more that a tool just like a knife, or a hammer.

Bombardier with a capital 'B' still exists, but I have to get this user up to 100 posts to join a lounge J! started up. Thing is with my old username I'm admin of the Fight Lounge so I can't join another.

I know I'm sort of breaking the rules here, but hopefully Rick won't mind. I've never played the secret identity game like a lot of other people.

Oh yeah, thanks for the k :D . I just wish I could add a custom name but it's empty right now.

Now that neils lounge is gone I guess I need to find another home.

I tried to warn you exig.
To not argue on gun laws or anything gun related....

Well i havent argued on any gun laws as of yet, and i have not directly talked about the guns themselves. I said they were a symptom of a society going mad, and that in my opinion any gun possession is wrong. Even in the hands of the police, who we know cant be trusted with them....

Now that neils lounge is gone I guess I need to find another home.
The Fancy lounge welcomes you. :cool:

The Fancy lounge welcomes you. :cool:
As it does everyone.... :cool:

Im not arguing gun laws with these dudes. I am saying basically, guns are bad news. A lot of people (mainly americans from what i have read so far) disagree with my viewpoint.

ffcracker's viewpoint is pending.....

Guns kick ass! Go to a range and give one a try, you might like it. Believe it or not guns can be used for other things than shooting people.

As for the education system, America's is second to none. Most of the studies that show the US ed system falling behind other countries are flawed because they compare all American students to the top students in other countries. The top students in the US can compete and surpass the top students anywhere.

As it does everyone.... :cool:
Now if YSI would stop crashing I would have so many more fights up. :mad:

I disagree. Oh and btw:

But why do you disagree?
Didn't people get killed before the invention of the gun?
Once the gun was invented did people stop beating each other to death?
Did people stop stabbing people to death (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4733097.stm) after the invention of the gun?
How can you disagree that a killer wouldn't kill without a gun...


Coming from the man who spelt whether wrong. Dont tell me my English needs improving....
Sorry that I spelt a word wrong - at least you were able to understand what I was saying.

ps
Thank you for improving your English. Trust me, I do not think you are un cool for this. Feel free to type like this in all of your posts.

Well i havent argued on any gun laws as of yet, and i have not directly talked about the guns themselves. I said they were a symptom of a society going mad, and that in my opinion any gun possession is wrong. Even in the hands of the police, who we know cant be trusted with them....

Actually you did..."Guns are a sign of society going mad and the law is not airtight. It will be abused, and its simply wrong by any normal constitution to allow people to shoot."

But as far as Your opinion about Gun possession being wrong in the hands off everyone. If we didn't have guns we would just use something else, whether it would be knives, clubs, automobiles etc we will use it if we have a murderous desire. The Human species has not evolved enough to have this utopia of sorts..if so there would be no "violent" sports such as Football or Boxing.

So i was correct all along. This duscussion was about whether guns are good or bad (in florida) basically...



That's not what the article is about. You should read it and then comment.

....A 3 year old and a 5 year old are two good reasons not to own one.


I agree with you.

I hated having ours in the house.

Since he got arrested, they had to be turned in.

Cops always "shoot darky" regardless of the situation or location.

Cops don't like non-whites.
What about the black and latino cops? Who do they like to kill? :confused:

What about the black and latino cops? Who do they like to kill? :confused:
White people. :D

Actually you did..."Guns are a sign of society going mad and the law is not airtight. It will be abused, and its simply wrong by any normal constitution to allow people to shoot."

But as far as Your opinion about Gun possession being wrong in the hands off everyone. If we didn't have guns we would just use something else, whether it would be knives, clubs, automobiles etc we will use it if we have a murderous desire. The Human species has not evolved enough to have this utopia of sorts..if so there would be no "violent" sports such as Football or Boxing.

But, the level of violence varies from country to country. In much of Europe it's nearly non-existent. In Canada it's nearly that good. In the States it's unusually high, third world country high in some places. And this isn't an insult or a dig. It's a fact that has to be faced up to and until it is the problem won't be solved.

People kill people not guns. Guns are nothing more that a tool just like a knife, or a hammer.
Amen, brother badblood! :D

I guess he better watch out if he ever goes to Florida, since they're already "threatened" by him they could open fire immediately. :killyou:

haha, sorry guys, couldn't resist that one :) .

Shouldn't you be clubbing a seal? :p

Homer Simpson: A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool. Like a hammer or a screwdriver or...or...an alligator.

Krusty: Hey, jutz, guns aren't toys! They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face!

:D

Amen, brother badblood! :D
I will see you 2 fat ****s later tonight, go to sleep now and be at work on time or I will fire yall like I did Edgar. :D

Shouldn't you be clubbing a seal? :p

Nah, I had seal for breakfast, I'm good :D .

But, the level of violence varies from country to country. In much of Europe it's nearly non-existent. In Canada it's nearly that good. In the States it's unusually high, third world country high in some places. And this isn't an insult or a dig. It's a fact that has to be faced up to and until it is the problem won't be solved.
I have to agree with the comparison of the USA to Canada.
Canada has nearly as many guns it it as the USA (per capita) but has far fewer gun related deaths.
This isn't because guns are "nicer" in Canada than they are in the USA. It means there is problem with the people.
Canadians are about as close to Americans as you can get. We all drive the same cars, watch the same TV show, ect... but Americans are still more likely to kill than a Canadian.
I do not know what the answer is but I know it's not the fault of an inanimate object like a gun.

But, the level of violence varies from country to country. In much of Europe it's nearly non-existent. In Canada it's nearly that good. In the States it's unusually high, third world country high in some places. And this isn't an insult or a dig. It's a fact that has to be faced up to and until it is the problem won't be solved.

The answer you and exig are looking for is drugs. Or more precisely drug laws and all the easy money that can be obtained from them.

Make drugs legal and the crime in this country would all but disappear.

I have to agree with the comparison of the USA to Canada.
Canada has nearly as many guns it it as the USA (per capita) but has far fewer gun related deaths.
This isn't because guns are "nicer" in Canada than they are in the USA. It means there is problem with the people.
Canadians are about as close to Americans as you can get. We all drive the same cars, watch the same TV show, ect... but5 Americans are still mor elikely to kill than a Canadian.
I do not know what the answer is but I know it's not the fault of an inanimate object like a gun.
Im not placing blame on the inanimate object, im placing blame in the hands of those who allow these backward laws....

The answer you and exig are looking for is drugs. Or more precisely drug laws and all the easy money that can be obtained from them.

Make drugs legal and the crime in this country would all but disappear.

You're absolutely right. Good k coming your way.

The war on drugs is sheer lunacy. More so than Iraq or gun control or any other issue you can throw out there. It's a manfuactured problem that is made worse by the actions taken against it. It's also probably the most corrupt area of international foreign policy. A few guys here and in the drug-prducing countries are getting rich off of our tax dollars by making the system work for them.

We have drug laws up here as well but they aren't enforced nearly to the degree that they are in the States. And we don't have the military aspect to it either.

The answer you and exig are looking for is drugs. Or more precisely drug laws and all the easy money that can be obtained from them.

Make drugs legal and the crime in this country would all but disappear.
Yes, that is a major part of it.
I fail to understand why people cannot make the connection between our crime today and the crimes during prohibition.

Great post.

Yes, that is a major part of it.
I fail to understand why people cannot make the connection between our crime today and the crimes during prohibition.

Great post.
Did you say great toast?!?

I never said that this duscussion was solely about that topic. I said it is "along the lines of" that. As it was. When i entered the thread, people had mentioned the July 7 terrorist attacks and were also supporting the law. I then told people what i thought on the topic. It evolved from a question directed at one poster (pbds), to a discussion about guns and whether they are necessary and what not. So i am correct and you are wrong....

Also, i didnt disrupt the discussion. You did. Firstly you were new to the discussion, secondly you decided to target me and tell me that i should read the article otherwise i might somehow look stupid or my opinion wont be respected. What the **** has that got to do with the discussion. You come on here and talk **** like that. Then call me a troll....

Rethink that one....

When you entered the thread, as far as I can see no one brought up the July 7th Terrorist attacks. So you are incorrect. but in your defence there were some that were speaking of guns in general.

I was not New to the thread, I had posted twice before you posted, try and keep up. So you state something like this..
"i didnt read the article, i picked up the topic of conversation from what people said. So correct me if im wrong on any matter like that...." and then when I corrected you you now say I targeted you. And I call you a troll for this comment you made. "I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off."

you are the only one who can change what you have become Lil Troll

Have a nice day

A lot of Republicans think guns equal freedom.

Well Bush is confiscating Iraqis' freedom every day by taking their guns away.

Care to explain this Pbds?
And how true is that. Saying - i wont shoot anyone so the law is cool with me, is simply irresponsible.

Also, guns are an unecessary thing, and i dont care if you're an American or an Uzbekhistanian, guns dont need to be used. And the fact people feel the need for one, shows how ****ed up the police and all that is (society basically).

Yes, that is a major part of it.
I fail to understand why people cannot make the connection between our crime today and the crimes during prohibition.

Great post.

I don't know, I'm hoping that in 20-30 years the drug laws will start to be relaxed. At least with marijuana to start. I mean, what person 40 or under these days has not tried pot at least once?

When you entered the thread, as far as I can see no one brought up the July 7th Terrorist attacks. So you are incorrect. but in your defence there were some that were speaking of guns in general.

I was not New to the thread, I had posted twice before you posted, try and keep up. So you state something like this..
"i didnt read the article, i picked up the topic of conversation from what people said. So correct me if im wrong on any matter like that...." and then when I corrected you you now say I targeted you. And I call you a troll for this comment you made. "I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off."

you are the only one who can change what you have become Lil Troll

Have a nice day
Ok lets start from the top.

Rodgers had mentioned the July 7th attacks. And as you mentioned people were talking about guns, and people were showing their support for this "Shoot first" scheme. Which i oppose.

Secondly. When i said you were new, i was referring to the fact that you entered the discussion between me and Santino (mainly) and interrupted it telling me to read the article because i admitted i hadnt done, because i picked up the topic of conversation from everyone else.

You didnt correct me, as i asked people to. You basically told me that i have no business posting on this thread, if i havent read the article attached with it. Which is bull****, because as i have stated, i am going on principle. I know my principle on guns and so i dont need to read the article to have the right to express my principle on guns.... Simple as that.

"I did it purposefulyl to piss you off" was a sarcastic comment. Since when does someone admit to not reading the article, to piss someone off.....

Also stop calling me a troll. I didnt disrupt the conversation, i carried it on. You, in fact did disrupt the conversation, thus diverting my posts away from the actual matter (like i was posting on before) onto a more trivial matter. (ie whether i had read the damn article or not).

A lot of Republicans think guns equal freedom.

Well Bush is confiscating Iraqis' freedom every day by taking their guns away.

Care to explain this Pbds?
First time i have agreed with you right here.

Thats one for the diaries....

Well you think potential suicide bombers should be talked to while in a crowd of people.
First time i have agreed with you right here.

Thats one for the diaries....

Well you think potential suicide bombers should be talked to while in a crowd of people.
Emphasis on potential.

As it turned out, the dude was innocent, and his family have to live with that. The police have no right to be carrying guns, nor detain anyone for 2 ****ing months (a law they are trying to introduce atm). If the judges cant decide on someones fate (like whether they die or live) then nobody should be making decisions like that. Especially when the evidence was half hearted to say the least....

Btw he didnt run nor did he wear "suspicious" clothing.... Nor did he refuse the orders of the police or jup the ticket boundary. Those are police lies and they have been exposed just recently....

Hah, you're gonna wait to see if a suicide bomber suspect turns into a bomber? Wow. Theres no logic in that.

Dude got what he asked for. He shouldnt have been suspicious and stopped when people with guns told him to.
Emphasis on potential.

As it turned out, the dude was innocent, and his family have to live with that. The police have no right to be carrying guns, nor detain anyone for 2 ****ing months (a law they are trying to introduce atm). If the judges cant decide on someones fate (like whether they die or live) then nobody should be making decisions like that. Especially when the evidence was half hearted to say the least....

Btw he didnt run nor did he wear "suspicious" clothing.... Nor did he refuse the orders of the police or jup the ticket boundary. Those are police lies and they have been exposed just recently....

Hah, you're gonna wait to see if a suicide bomber suspect turns into a bomber? Wow. Theres no logic in that.

Dude got what he asked for. He shouldnt have been suspicious and stopped when people with guns told him to.
I would rather wait to find out than risk killing innocent civilians this way....

He wasnt suspicious. And suspicious is objective. I could say you look suspicious right now. Bob down the road might disagree. You cant have a rule over someones life based upon opinion about who is suspicious and who isnt....

The english justice system will prevail, these officers and those conspiring will be punished.... and that supports my argument even more....

Thats classic. Just classic. Would you mind waiting with the potential suicide bomber? (rhetorical question = no answer required)
I would rather wait to find out than risk killing innocent civilians this way....

He wasnt suspicious. And suspicious is objective. I could say you look suspicious right now. Bob down the road might disagree. You cant have a rule over someones life based upon opinion about who is suspicious and who isnt....

The english justice system will prevail, these officers and those conspiring will be punished.... and that supports my argument even more....

Thats classic. Just classic. Would you mind waiting with the potential suicide bomber? (rhetorical question = no answer required)
Right ok let me get this straight. So you say my logic is ****ed up. Now i will test out your logic....

Anyone who is suspicious shoot them because they may detonate a device....

Ok then, so i will shoot you then? And because you looked "suspicious" its ok. Even though you werent a terrorist after all. Oh well, you looked suspicious.... So now your dead...

Dont think so.

Ok lets start from the top.

Rodgers had mentioned the July 7th attacks. And as you mentioned people were talking about guns, and people were showing their support for this "Shoot first" scheme. Which i oppose.)

Well Rodgers never posted until after you, the only thing mentioed about terrorist before you posted was the March 11th attack on Spain. It isn't a scheme and shoot first is an innacurate statement that the media has labeled this. Before you had to by law flee and only if you were not able to flee could you legally defend yourself. This law changed that so that now you can Stand your ground and defend yourself, this doesn't only have to do with firearms. The law also protects you from a lawsuit from the criminal who you defended yourself from.

Secondly. When i said you were new, i was referring to the fact that you entered the discussion between me and Santino (mainly) and interrupted it telling me to read the article because i admitted i hadnt done, because i picked up the topic of conversation from everyone else.

No, you never addressed Santino or quoted him in your original post, not to mention you post on a public forum, so that means you wished for anyone and everyone to reply to you, If you wish it to remain private I would suggest useing Private messages or email.



"I did it purposefulyl to piss you off" was a sarcastic comment. Since when does someone admit to not reading the article, to piss someone off.....

Sarcasm is generally lost in a written format without the aid of a smiley or stateing it was sarcasm, and many people admit to not reading articles.


Also stop calling me a troll. I didnt disrupt the conversation, i carried it on. You, in fact did disrupt the conversation, thus diverting my posts away from the actual matter (like i was posting on before) onto a more trivial matter. (ie whether i had read the damn article or not).

I never diverted your posts I spoke of gun related issues in the posts to you which you have mostly ignored.

Are you coming to work or what??

yeah you are 15 mins late WTF.... :D

****!! by the time he get's here he'll be over an hour late. :mad:

****!! by the time he get's here he'll be over an hour late. :mad:
He is fired **** it....

He is fired **** it....
Just like I did his friend Edgar yesterday.

Just like I did his friend Edgar yesterday.
Get em badblood I am glad I don't work for you..I am late everyday but have been there for 6 years and have a good position.

Get em badblood I am glad I don't work for you..I am late everyday but have been there for 6 years and have a good position.
Got to run this place with an iron fist. :D

Got to run this place with an iron fist. :D
I understand....mighty boss.LOL take care of business.

I love it when I get home.

i live in kennesaw georgia and it is against the law NOT to own gun if you own a house. damn right i own a gun. ****ed up **** happens every day. that ****ed up **** is not going to happen to me or my family. damn right i'll shoot a ****er before asking questions if i feel my daughter is in danger because some punk as gang banger is in my house trying to steal to support the gang. you people that would rather sit by and watch your wife get raped by 4-5 chumps and molest your daughter while you sit back with a gun in your mouth go right the **** ahead. i know i am trained well enough to take out at least 5 before one of them gets a shot off. you know if you live in your cushy little town and don't need to worry then thats totaly up to you. when i moved into my neighborhood that was still being built at the time, they found one of my neighbors in the trunk of a car in the back of the subdivision. she was bound raped and shot. not gonna happen to my family if i can help it. i have enough guns for my whole neighborhood. my brother in law owns a gun shop. all i have to say is this......you better go ahead and teach your family to fire a weapon now because you never know when they are going to need it.

as for the quote by.... He wasnt running from the cops. And anyway. Its not a crime to run away from the cops, and neither was anything else he did during that day. He was a law abiding citizen.

i don't know about england but if you even hint you are gonna run from the cops its a crime in the states. why wouldn't it be a crime? that clown was running from ther cops plain and simple.

and this one is even more stupid....... Why not make bombs legal too? Why stop at guns?

do i even need to comment on this one?

what about this one........... You know yourself gangs arent going after families. Theyre going after other gang members.

ok i'll comment. if you think gangs are only hurting gangs then you are in need of some serious education about the situation. in one day at one mall there were 4 drive by shootings at one time. the victims.... a 73 year old lady, a lady in her mid 40's and her son, and a 20 year old male. all of which had no ties to any gang. the reason for being shot? initiations.

By cops, not civilians.

bull****! if they are trying to harm or potentially could harm me or my family or anyone around me for that matter they are gonna get smoked.

Nothing was a yes or no question. And how did i fail? You cant fail in a discussion. Its not a mission/objective. Its expression.

You said to me, i dont know what im talking about (paraphrased). So i said, yes i do, i am talking about whether guns are good or bad in Florida. You then contradicted me, telling me i am wrong and that i should read the thread title, along with a load of other bull****. So i did it. And to my surprise, what do i find:

"... Do you care to Comment on Florida's new "Shoot First" Law?..."

So i was correct all along. This duscussion was about whether guns are good or bad (in florida) basically...

I am a troll? Yeah i trolled someone who has posted less than 20 times...


No.

actually you are wrong on this one. the subject has nothing to do with are guns good or bad in florida. as a matter of fact what it does have to do with is whether or not the "shoot first" law was right or wrong. this law is not limited to guns only. if i beat some clown to death, and i mean dead, with a baseball bat because i am threatend by him i can do so within the law. if i am defending myself with my fists and they happen to die then i did it legally as long as i was defending myself. i no longer have to try and run from these fools any more. guns are mearly the weapon of choice by most because that is what we are being faced with. do you see some idiot trying to rob a store with a knife? the question was not are guns good or bad. the question was is the new law that you can use it defending yourself good or bad.

Also, i didnt disrupt the discussion. You did. Firstly you were new to the discussion, secondly you decided to target me and tell me that i should read the article otherwise i might somehow look stupid or my opinion wont be respected. What the **** has that got to do with the discussion. You come on here and talk **** like that. Then call me a troll....

Rethink that one....

actually i do recall this quote here that would make you a troll....

I did it, purposefully just to piss people like you off. People who get boners over the fact i admitted to not reading the article and subsequently told people to correct me if im wrong. You attempted to. Got it wrong yourself and now you look like a lil *****.

Have a ****e day.

well you answered the below quote with the above quote. i think you meant what you said the first time. it sounds more true. the second one sounds like you are trying to cover your ass.

"I did it purposefulyl to piss you off" was a sarcastic comment. Since when does someone admit to not reading the article, to piss someone off.....

....Bout damn time you started weighing in on some issues again Freecloud. :)

....Bout damn time you started weighing in on some issues again Freecloud. :)

i still read the forums alot but rarely find much interesting anymore. this is still the # boxing site around to be for sure. this one i just couldn't pass by. personally i could care less what anyones opinion is for themselves on guns. its when they start saying that i shouldn't have one myself. the problem exists that terrible things happen to innocent people while in thier own homes or while driving thier car or while at the mall shopping. police are not everywhere all the time and can't protect me while i'm taking a "proper" ****. i feel it is my right to bear arms as stated in the constitution of this country. i can tell you now that when that was writen it was so that people could protect themselves.

like i said though i read the forums daily and keep to myself. all these noobs around here are kind of annoying.

Just like I did his friend Edgar yesterday.
That was no friend of mine.

That was no friend of mine.
Dont lie, you and Jamie went out with him and Aramis all the time.

I'm suprised a left winger like Lukahnli has a problem with that.

I don't like it.

First of all, I am not a left winger. I am registered Republican. Second of all, I never said whether I had a problem with it or not.

Third of all, I have trouble seeing why a typical left winger would be in favor of that law.

As far as gun ownership goes.....I like having a nice sharp Katana instead.

First of all, I am not a left winger. I am registered Republican. Second of all, I never said whether I had a problem with it or not.

Third of all, I have trouble seeing why a typical left winger would be in favor of that law.

You realize what you say 10 pages later doesn't count?

Your staff took nearly three days before giving you a way to respond to what I said.

The thing what makes me so special is because I can ask a question and put just about anyone in an uncomfortable spot...your post & the facts behind it is an example.

As far as you being a registered Republican, I don't buy it.
You voted for Clinton.

**** me, I'm with Dr. Freecloud! Put him in charge of law enforcement in the UK!! :D

Lol

First of all, I am not a left winger. I am registered Republican. Second of all, I never said whether I had a problem with it or not.

Third of all, I have trouble seeing why a typical left winger would be in favor of that law.

So bizare but for some strange reason I always assumed LuKahnLi was a Brit :confused:

So bizare but for some strange reason I always assumed LuKahnLi was a Brit :confused:

Ha! Means Europeans believe I am as smart as they are.

You realize what you say 10 pages later doesn't count?

Your staff took nearly three days before giving you a way to respond to what I said.

The thing what makes me so special is because I can ask a question and put just about anyone in an uncomfortable spot...your post & the facts behind it is an example.

As far as you being a registered Republican, I don't buy it.
You voted for Clinton.

Just cuz I am registered Republican doesn't mean I am a party line voter.

For example, in the next Senatorial races I will vote for Chuck Schumer, a Democrat. But against Hillary Clinton an incumbent democrat.

I voted for Pataki in the last Governor race but will vote for Elliot Spitzer a Democrat in the next race.

And if 2008 presidential election comes down to McCain and Hillary Clinton. I would vote McCain. I would vote for McCain over just about ANY democratic candidate I can think of.

lukhanli i always thought you were democrat too .

lukhanli i always thought you were democrat too .

Socially I am pretty liberal.

Procedurally and Policy-wise I am very conservative.

Small Government, States Rights, Lower taxes....etc. Those are the Republican values which appeal to me.

Those with the last name Bush do not reflect ANY of these values.

There is a difference between Republican and Neo Conservative.

i am right wing myself

You realize what you say 10 pages later doesn't count?

Your staff took nearly three days before giving you a way to respond to what I said.

The thing what makes me so special is because I can ask a question and put just about anyone in an uncomfortable spot...your post & the facts behind it is an example.

As far as you being a registered Republican, I don't buy it.
You voted for Clinton.

It took me three days because I don't always work in front of a computer.

i am right wing myself

There is a difference between right wing European and right Wing American though.

Oh and if I was eligible to vote between Clinton and Dole. I WOULD have voted for Bill Clinton.

There is a difference between right wing European and right Wing American though.


that s what i was about to point out .

in a french point of view i am a dangerous money hungry capitalist , in a yankke point of view i am a communist .

that s what i was about to point out .

in a french point of view i am a dangerous money hungry capitalist , in a yankke point of view i am a communist .

In America we are too hung up on parties. I vote for WHOEVER I believe will be the most capable, honest and effective leader. Democrat or Republican.

Terri Schaivo is a good litmus test to seperate the true Republicans from the Neo Conservatives.

If you support the Government intervention on Terri Schaivo, then you are probably a Neo Con.

If you were against it, then you are a REAL Republican.

It took me three days because I don't always work in front of a computer.

What are you trying to say? I'm a nerd with no life?

What are you trying to say? I'm a nerd with no life?

If I wanted to say that, I would have.

Dr Freecloud. About your post:

Running from the police when you havent commited a crime and have no involvement in a crime, is not a crime... If they are trying to stop you when they have no reason to. That is in fact an unlawful act, on their behalf.

As far as the "i did it to piss you off" comment that i made. I genuinly said that sarcastically.... However if you choose not to believe me what can i do to change your opinion. Tis one downfall of the internet. You cant guage someones tone of facial expression and all that. But i did say that as a sarcastic comment. It was all down to interpretation.

Peace.

In America we are too hung up on parties. I vote for WHOEVER I believe will be the most capable, honest and effective leader. Democrat or Republican.

The last honest presidential candidate we had was Jimmy Carter.

The last honest presidential candidate we had was Jimmy Carter.

Notice my other criteria included 'capable' and 'effective'.

An example of a President being dishonest. "I don't believe anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Dr Freecloud. About your post:

Running from the police when you havent commited a crime and have no involvement in a crime, is not a crime... If they are trying to stop you when they have no reason to. That is in fact an unlawful act, on their behalf.

As far as the "i did it to piss you off" comment that i made. I genuinly said that sarcastically.... However if you choose not to believe me what can i do to change your opinion. Tis one downfall of the internet. You cant guage someones tone of facial expression and all that. But i did say that as a sarcastic comment. It was all down to interpretation.

Peace.

that may stand true where you live and it may not. i don't know. what i do know is that if the police are, for whatever reason, trying to arrest you and you evade them, here it is a crime. if you have no reason to run from the police then don't. if you are an innocent person then don't risk getting your ass shot. if i go to any country and there are a few police after me i sure the hell ain't gonna run. one other thing that i don't believe was mentioned is whether or not these were uniformed police officers that shot that dude in england. seems like i heard they were not. i can't remember though. i'm not saying what happened was all together right. i had the F.B.I. come to my house looking for an ex of mine that was wanted for questioning about a murder. i pulled up to my house and there was thier car in front they had just stepped off the front porch and were about to leave. they were calm and showed proper i.d. so i let them in and told them what i knew which was not much since i hadn't dated her for about 2 years. in case you're wondering what happened to her she got off scott free. she started stripping and met kris benson while working. they are now married and she has been considered baseballs hottest wife. http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/297/
enough about her though.

as for the did it to piss you off comment...thats cool man it doesn't really matter to me. but if you come to my house to piss me off..........
:killyou:
j/k but seriously man its all good. i understand that you have your feelings on guns and we have ours.

that may stand true where you live and it may not. i don't know. what i do know is that if the police are, for whatever reason, trying to arrest you and you evade them, here it is a crime. if you have no reason to run from the police then don't. if you are an innocent person then don't risk getting your ass shot. if i go to any country and there are a few police after me i sure the hell ain't gonna run. one other thing that i don't believe was mentioned is whether or not these were uniformed police officers that shot that dude in england. seems like i heard they were not. i can't remember though. i'm not saying what happened was all together right. i had the F.B.I. come to my house looking for an ex of mine that was wanted for questioning about a murder. i pulled up to my house and there was thier car in front they had just stepped off the front porch and were about to leave. they were calm and showed proper i.d. so i let them in and told them what i knew which was not much since i hadn't dated her for about 2 years. in case you're wondering what happened to her she got off scott free. she started stripping and met kris benson while working. they are now married and she has been considered baseballs hottest wife. http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/297/
enough about her though.

as for the did it to piss you off comment...thats cool man it doesn't really matter to me. but if you come to my house to piss me off..........
:killyou:
j/k but seriously man its all good. i understand that you have your feelings on guns and we have ours.
Yeah in the UK, if your innocent you can do what the **** you want around police ....

I understand what you are saying... You would stop normally, to find out the problem and all that... But im just saying, it wouldnt be illegal if you didnt stop in the street for a policeman...

Peace.

What about the black and latino cops? Who do they like to kill? :confused:

Please, they're just tanned white people. They still pick on the minorities.

Guns cause cancer which can only be cured by medicine cause thats the law

First of all, I am not a left winger. I am registered Republican.

First, prove your a "registered Republican"

Second, It doesn't matter how you register, you can still be a "left winger".

A "left winger" registering as a republican just allows you to get into some republican conventions and act like a dick.

Is that what Bill O'Reilly does? He said hes a registered independent when Al Franken obtained his voting card... registered Republican he is.
First, prove your a "registered Republican"

Second, It doesn't matter how you register, you can still be a "left winger".

Registering a republican just allows you to get into some republican conventions and act like a dick.

Is that what Bill O'Reilly does? He said hes a registered independent when Al Franken obtained his voting card... registered Republican he is.

I don't know anything about Al Franken. I don't watch the sundance (aka gay) channel.

hey rodgers=bust, is that you dressed up for halloween in your avatar? just curious. I figured you'd go as Allen Iverson.

No, its Malcolm X. A very good black man.
hey rodgers=bust, is that you dressed up for halloween in your avatar? just curious. I figured you'd go as Allen Iverson.

I don't know anything about Al Franken. I don't watch the sundance (aka gay) channel.

Clever calling a liberal station "gay". Real politically astute.

Thats all it is. Name calling = no point.
Clever calling a liberal station "gay". Real politically astute.

hey shoot first .....ask questions later :D

Clever calling a liberal station "gay". Real politically astute.

I'm not calling it gay, that's what it's known as.

No, its Malcolm X. A very good black man.

oh, what'd he do that was so good? Didn't he get shot? I figure that'd be bad. or wait, did he get shot? I didn't watch the whole movie. Denzel probably should've got the Academy Award for that role, from what I hear. They definitely screwed him over for his role on Glory.

No, its Malcolm X. A very good black man.
hey your acting white....most blacks know what kind of a lying fraud trouble maker farrakan is....Sharpton too even though he is very funny.

hey your acting white....most blacks know what kind of a lying fraud trouble maker farrakan is....Sharpton too even though he is very funny.

Those guys aren't Malcolm X though. In fact Farrakan was probably involved in the plot to assassinate him. Malcolm was recanting his more radical views, which is why he was eliminated.

Im talking about Malcolm X being a good black man. Malcolm X is revered in most black homes while MLK is seen as an oreo by a lot of blacks (I know this personally). MLK's "tea with the enemy" approach is highly overrated by US textbooks. These US textbooks fail to mention Malcolm X for his militant calls for retaliation to the oppressors.
hey your acting white....most blacks know what kind of a lying fraud trouble maker farrakan is....Sharpton too even though he is very funny.

I'm not calling it gay, that's what it's known as.

Oh, well maybe I'm missing something. But it's not like Franken is only on that station, you picked it out so you could toss in the gay reference.

It's like me calling Bush an Arab because his face shows up on Al-Jazeera.

He told blacks being oppressed to fight back. Not stage sit ins. He was implicated in various murders of landlords in Chicago that overpriced housing to blacks. This was Malcolms only fault, his calls for violence but he had a good message. "Fight for your rights."
oh, what'd he do that was so good? Didn't he get shot? I figure that'd be bad. or wait, did he get shot? I didn't watch the whole movie. Denzel probably should've got the Academy Award for that role, from what I hear. They definitely screwed him over for his role on Glory.

Im talking about Malcolm X being a good black man. Malcolm X is revered in most black homes while MLK is seen as an oreo by a lot of blacks (I know this personally). MLK's "tea with the enemy" approach is highly overrated by US textbooks. These US textbooks fail to mention Malcolm X for his militant calls for retaliation to the oppressors.
ooppps my bad was reading out of my ass....sorry.

I'm not sure if you can say that MLK's approach was entirely wrong, though, can you? I mean, for a while the NOI were talking about seceding from the US and crazy things like that. If King wasn't around there might have a been a bit of a credibility issue at times with the civil rights movement. You need both the extreme and the moderate voice working at the same time.

Well said... but I like how Malcolm told blacks to pick up guns (and they did) scaring those that oppressed them and killed them and lynched them.
I'm not sure if you can say that MLK's approach was entirely wrong, though, can you? I mean, for a while the NOI were talking about seceding from the US and crazy things like that. If King wasn't around there might have a been a bit of a credibility issue at times with the civil rights movement. You need both the extreme and the moderate voice working at the same time.

Well said... but I like how Malcolm told blacks to pick up guns (and they did) scaring those that oppressed them and killed them and lynched them.

Yeah, I tend to enjoy the violent approach to things as well. Maybe that's cause we're all boxing fans, though :) .

Anyone know the story about the first Floyd Patterson - Ali matchup? It turned into this big political fight because Floyd was a staunch integrationist while Ali was big in the NOI. Got realy ugly, became more than just about boxing.

Didnt know about Patterson, but I knew Ali called Frazier a suburbanite when it was Frazier who grew up in the ghetto, not Ali.
Yeah, I tend to enjoy the violent approach to things as well. Maybe that's cause we're all boxing fans, though :) .

Anyone know the story about the first Floyd Patterson - Ali matchup? It turned into this big political fight because Floyd was a staunch integrationist while Ali was big in the NOI. Got realy ugly, became more than just about boxing.

Didnt know about Patterson, but I knew Ali called Frazier a suburbanite when it was Frazier who grew up in the ghetto, not Ali.

Yeah, Ali started to be a bit of a jackass in the Frazier era. It was obvious that Frazier took all that personally but he kept on coming with the insults.

Patterson's a bit of a sad case. Really brooding and depressed a lot of the time. Had anxiety problems before big fights and was embarassed pretty bad by both Liston and Ali. Later in life he was appointed commissioner of the New York State boxing comission but was let go when it was revealed (in a public hearing of some kind, don't know the details) that his memory was full of holes. He could hardly remember anything about his career. The weak chin was his downfall, he took too much damage.

Having said that Floyd is one of my favourtie heavyweights of all time. When he was fighting, you could paint him and hang the picture in a museum, his style was so classic.

Combat, that was the game that came with the Atari 2600 back in the day. I had like 10 copies of that damn game. Had over 150 atari games, but a lot of them were duplicates. About 80 different atari games.

Patterson was missing screwed up in the head. Like Tyson.
Yeah, Ali started to be a bit of a jackass in the Frazier era. It was obvious that Frazier took all that personally but he kept on coming with the insults.

Patterson's a bit of a sad case. Really brooding and depressed a lot of the time. Had anxiety problems before big fights and was embarassed pretty bad by both Liston and Ali. Later in life he was appointed commissioner of the New York State boxing comission but was let go when it was revealed (in a public hearing of some kind, don't know the details) that his memory was full of holes. He could hardly remember anything about his career. The weak chin was his downfall, he took too much damage.

Having said that Floyd is one of my favourtie heavyweights of all time. When he was fighting, you could paint him and hang the picture in a museum, his style was so classic.

First, prove your a "registered Republican"

Second, It doesn't matter how you register, you can still be a "left winger".

A "left winger" registering as a republican just allows you to get into some republican conventions and act like a dick.

How am I supposed to prove that? Send you guys a picture of the fliers the local GOP sends out?

I thought the Republican party was a "big tent" party anyways.

I am registered Republican because there are more politicians on that side I like on a federal level. NY State Republicans are notoriously NOT party line voters.

And why the hell would I claim to be with a party I am not? I just happen to really dislike the current administration which happens to call themselves Republicans.

How am I supposed to prove that? Send you guys a picture of the fliers the local GOP sends out?

I thought the Republican party was a "big tent" party anyways.

I am registered Republican because there are more politicians on that side I like on a federal level. NY State Republicans are notoriously NOT party line voters.

And why the hell would I claim to be with a party I am not? I just happen to really dislike the current administration which happens to call themselves Republicans.


...You guys don't have voter registration cards that show your party affiliation on them? Allows you to vote in primaries and such. Not that I'm doubting what your saying or asking you to prove anything. It's just that you have to register as one or the other and have it on your voter registration card in some states.

I am about to go pick up a Veal parm Sub.



Mmmmmm

Oh, well maybe I'm missing something. But it's not like Franken is only on that station, you picked it out so you could toss in the gay reference.

It's like me calling Bush an Arab because his face shows up on Al-Jazeera.


Franken was on Letterman recently and plugged his show as being on the "Sundance channel". Letterman made a serious comment about that being the gay network. Franken admitted the gay audience was the networks target audience and that was out of his control.

Make of it what you will.

Franken is the one who plugged the Sundance channel.

All I said was "I don't watch the Sundance channel". Is that a problem for you?

Franken was on Letterman recently and plugged his show as being on the "Sundance channel". Letterman made a serious comment about that being the gay network. Franken admitted the gay audience was the networks target audience and that was out of his control.

Make of it what you will.

Franken is the one who plugged the Sundance channel.

All I said was "I don't watch the Sundance channel". Is that a problem for you?

Nah, no problem, it's not a big deal, or at least I was making a big deal out of nothing. btw though I don't know why you are trying to start trouble with LuKahnLi in the other thread, seeing as he is one of the friendliest, smartest, and most reasonable posters around here. Just because he doesn't agree with your views. I understand that mnash is an antagonizer so things will get pretty heated, but you're not winning any credibility points by trying to give LuKahnLi a hard time.

Im an antagonizer? :mad:

Nah, no problem, it's not a big deal, or at least I was making a big deal out of nothing. btw though I don't know why you are trying to start trouble with LuKahnLi in the other thread, seeing as he is one of the friendliest, smartest, and most reasonable posters around here. Just because he doesn't agree with your views. I understand that mnash is an antagonizer so things will get pretty heated, but you're not winning any credibility points by trying to give LuKahnLi a hard time.

IMO - He claims to be things he's not. He acts like he knows about things he doesn't. He uses this site too much for his political soap box. I don't think he should be trying to influence people on this site to follow his political views.

His comments are provoking me, not the other way around. I don't go starting political threads.

Beyond that, I really do think he's an ok guy. After a good debate, we've even exchanged good K. I have no problem W/him.

Im an antagonizer?

Well, maybe you're just a persistent arguer. I think sometimes you're too hard on people, but you know we're cool so I'm just making an observation here, you can take it or leave it :) .

IMO - He claims to be things he's not. He acts like he knows about things he doesn't. He uses this site too much for his political soap box. I don't think he should be trying to influence people on this site to follow his political views.

His comments are provoking me, not the other way around. I don't go starting political threads.

Beyond that, I really do think he's an ok guy. After a good debate, we've even exchanged good K. I have no problem W/him.

Well, I don't know if it's as bad as all that, but I understand your point of view. There used to be a lot more political threads up here in the old days, as I'm sure you know (hell, I'm a newcomer compared to you). They would come from both the left and right, I just think of LuKahnLi as a throwback to that era.

Lukahli is like any other political poster except he doesnt think along political lines. He's real careful to cite his sources and use facts for his arguments.

He gave an article on a stupid Florida law and basically what I saw in this thread was a lot of republican backing up and denial. This is an irresponsible law without a doubt but there are biased republicans in this thread that wont admit the truth about the lack of merit of this law.
IMO - He claims to be things he's not. He acts like he knows about things he doesn't. He uses this site too much for his political soap box. I don't think he should be trying to influence people on this site to follow his political views.

His comments are provoking me, not the other way around. I don't go starting political threads.

Beyond that, I really do think he's an ok guy. After a good debate, we've even exchanged good K. I have no problem W/him.