Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.

I acutally had the first fight a draw. Only because Hopkins gave away the first four rounds. Anyway i expect Taylor to be more relaxed and be more accurate with his punches. I expect Hopkins to come out fighting right from the bell, should make for a great fight.

I acutally had the first fight a draw. Only because Hopkins gave away the first four rounds. Anyway i expect Taylor to be more relaxed and be more accurate with his punches. I expect Hopkins to come out fighting right from the bell, should make for a great fight.

Absolutely. I think Nard is going to rush him right when the fight starts.....and put Taylor back on queer street where he was at the end of the last fight.

He now knows that Taylor does not hit hard enough to get him out of there.

Hopkins T.K.O. 7

To be honest at 41 and as great of shape and as diciplined as he is, I don't know how his body could take an early start and keep it up till the end of the fight. Taylor aint going down on a single punch so Bhops gonna have to work him good. I expect him to be less tentative but I truly doubt he'll get a quick start.

Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.


hopkins stops taylor. We will finnally get to see the exciting side of hopkins. I really believe he will stop taylor next time around

hopkins stops taylor. We will finnally get to see the exciting side of hopkins. I really believe he will stop taylor next time around


What Hopkins learned about Taylor in the first 5 rounds of the last fight he will take advantage of from the very start of this one. he will measure his pace but i see him stopping taylor one way or the other

I thought hopkins won the first fight.

I still cant believe a judge gave taylor round 12, just dont get it.

This is my most eagerly anticipated fight left this year after Corrales-Castillo 2.

I think Taylor will win again. Hopkins can't go all out any earlier than he did in the first fight otherwise he would have.

I see Taylor by UD.

This is my most eagerly anticipated fight left this year after Corrales-Castillo 2.

I think Taylor will win again. Hopkins can't go all out any earlier than he did in the first fight otherwise he would have.

I see Taylor by UD.

That is a very legitimate point. Hopkins felt the punches early on....and seemed reluctant to let his hands go to say the least.

The only difference is: His legacy as a fighter is on the line.

That is a very legitimate point. Hopkins felt the punches early on....and seemed reluctant to let his hands go to say the least.

The only difference is: His legacy as a fighter is on the line.

This dosn't mean **** to fighters these days. Look at jones, his was on the line.

What did he deliver? A piss poor show. I think hopkins will win this time around, but " legacy " dosn't mean **** to me anymore.

Legacy's don't talk these days. Money does.

Close fight still, but Tayler got tis. He promised ta Knockout, he'll deliver it. LOL!

I think it will be a great rematch. Hopkins does what he thinks is necessary to win and often not a lot more. He has lost his first one in a long time and he is going to be hungry to restore his status quo. I think he'll up his early pace, and push to win all rounds. I think he will probably win on points if age has not slowed him. He might if we are lucky push for a knock down if Taylor's power fades later in the fight as it did last time.

In his last few fights Hopkins has coasted the first half of the fight and come on strong in the late rounds. I don't think he has the body to start strong and maintain it. Unless he headbutts and concusses Taylor again, it will be a much clearer win for Taylor this time around.

In the first fight, Hopkins didn't want anything to do with Taylor's early power. There were some quiet rounds in there that Hopkins will need to steal second time around. It's possible, but you won't see a crazy Hopkins trying to KO Taylor in the early rounds, just like you didn't see a bold RJJ going all out to KO Tarver. It's just not his style, never was and won't be in the second fight.

All the talk is about what Hopkins can do differently, but don't expect Taylor to play along. He now knows what to expect from Hopkins and is working in the gym.

It should be a great fight. Taylor by comfortable UD.

In his last few fights Hopkins has coasted the first half of the fight and come on strong in the late rounds. I don't think he has the body to start strong and maintain it. Unless he headbutts and concusses Taylor again, it will be a much clearer win for Taylor this time around.

In the first fight, Hopkins didn't want anything to do with Taylor's early power. There were some quiet rounds in there that Hopkins will need to steal second time around. It's possible, but you won't see a crazy Hopkins trying to KO Taylor in the early rounds, just like you didn't see a bold RJJ going all out to KO Tarver. It's just not his style, never was and won't be in the second fight.

All the talk is about what Hopkins can do differently, but don't expect Taylor to play along. He now knows what to expect from Hopkins and is working in the gym.

It should be a great fight. Taylor by comfortable UD.

Yeah but the last fight ended with Taylor being put on queer street by a more agressive Hopkins in the later rounds as opposed to the early ones.

Hopkins TKO 10 Taylor.

Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.
I agree with you on all that and I think Hopkins ends up stopping him this time around.

Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.
AMEN BROTHER COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!

this time around everything will be different. in the first fight, Hopkins underestimated taylor ( i did, too for that matter ). Now that Nard isn't the champ anymore he'll be in the right headspace for this rematch - a desperate man who will have to work every round to get his title back. i've seen interviews with Taylor, he's taking old Hops really lightly this time - i've even heard him say " This time i'm gonna knock him out ." Taylor is making a mistake, i think he'll be throwing one punch at a time in there, trying to load up and knock Hops out. Nard needs to lay a body beating on this kid early, tire him out and then take every round on the cards, though i'd love to see a late stoppage. Bottom line is: A motivated Hopkins will win, he should have won the first fight but he gave up too many rounds

this time around everything will be different. in the first fight, Hopkins underestimated taylor ( i did, too for that matter ). Now that Nard isn't the champ anymore he'll be in the right headspace for this rematch - a desperate man who will have to work every round to get his title back. i've seen interviews with Taylor, he's taking old Hops really lightly this time - i've even heard him say " This time i'm gonna knock him out ." Taylor is making a mistake, i think he'll be throwing one punch at a time in there, trying to load up and knock Hops out. Nard needs to lay a body beating on this kid early, tire him out and then take every round on the cards, though i'd love to see a late stoppage. Bottom line is: A motivated Hopkins will win, he should have won the first fight but he gave up too many rounds
a unmotivated Hopkins could beat Taylor as well as a motivated one all you have to do is not pay the judges off and the victory would be his. He won that whole fight should have been a unanimous decision on hops part but they gave it to the younger up and coming star because he was unable to do it himself in the ring!

Everyone is talking about the adjustments that Bhop is going to make, but failed to mention the ones Taylor will make.

First off, I think he finally learned to keep his right in when he's throwing a jab.

Someone mentioned that Bhop felt Taylor's power and knows he can handle it...NEWFLASH Taylor didn't really land a clean power shot on him the entire fight. Most were partially blocked/parried.

Taylor is a hard puncher, and if he lands a flush one, it could be lights out. He ate Bhop's BEST shots in the 11th and 12th, and stayed on his feet.

Taylor by late stoppage or UD.

Hopkins will be a little slower, and Taylor is still improving. Hopkins will still have to give away early rounds and maybe look harder for the KO. Taylor will fight much smarter though. He stood up to what is likely Hopkins best and has more confidence and is battletested now. Hopkins just flat out blew that fight, he gave it away. He has to try harder earlier and may not have the stamina to carry a full 12 rds worth of fighting.

Everyone is talking about the adjustments that Bhop is going to make, but failed to mention the ones Taylor will make.

First off, I think he finally learned to keep his right in when he's throwing a jab.

Someone mentioned that Bhop felt Taylor's power and knows he can handle it...NEWFLASH Taylor didn't really land a clean power shot on him the entire fight. Most were partially blocked/parried.

Taylor is a hard puncher, and if he lands a flush one, it could be lights out. He ate Bhop's BEST shots in the 11th and 12th, and stayed on his feet.

Taylor by late stoppage or UD. Experience is a beautiful thing with Taylor ahead in the fight those last 4 rounds were a clinic on how to whup ass.Taylor has that knowledge at his disposal to learn and prepare from. Yet that isnt what Hopkins is going to show at 40 years old he can pull out techniques and pace himself because Taylor will so tuned in on those last four rounds and not letting them happen again. Hopkins will box Taylor with controlled and calculated aggression and introduce Taylor too a whole new level of boxing especially if he can get off to an early start. :crazy:

That is a very legitimate point. Hopkins felt the punches early on....and seemed reluctant to let his hands go to say the least.

The only difference is: His legacy as a fighter is on the line.
the only thing on the line is Taylor, how the hell is hopkins legacy on the line thats just absurd, probably one of the most pathetic things I have heard in awhile!

First let me ask you how can Hopkins legacy be on the line when the guy held the title for 10 years didnt lose in 10 years fought atleast 2 times a year during that time and so on. So answer me this how is Hopkins legacy on the line? I didnt think it was either thank you.

Second how can you say he was reluctant to let his hands go he fought harder at the end of the fight than he did in the whole first half, so if he was holding back his punches because he was afraid of getting hit by ***** ***** taylor he definately didnt show it because the way Hop fought was the way he always fights. So once again I think what you said is wrong and I just proved it.

Have any more points to make?

I already know Hopkins is going to beat him and make him look horrible this time around so I'm not even worried about this fight for Hopkins.

I already know Hopkins is going to beat him and make him look horrible this time around so I'm not even worried about this fight for Hopkins.
ONCE AGAIN AMEN BROTHER!

Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.


a gift decision?! against the #1 p4p guy? dont kid yourself,that **** dosent happen.

Hopkins didnt fight that fight any diffrent than his previous fights,Taylor was supposed to give in the late rounds,thats what hopkins was counting on,as always,and to a degree this did happen,but not nearly to the extent Hop needed it to.He also fought a green Taylor,but taylors past that now,Im sure he'll beat Hop,that only way i see hop winning is if he get a gift decision.

Hop may be more agressive but i doubt it'll be to his advantge,he'd have to keep that pace 12 rounds,which really he isnt use to.

the only thing on the line is Taylor, how the hell is hopkins legacy on the line thats just absurd, probably one of the most pathetic things I have heard in awhile!



It is absurd, but what happens now does have a say in how a fighters career is viewed. Look at RJJ and his last 3 fights. Some now look at those fights and downgrade his whole career because of that. The same will happen with Hopkins if he loses the rematch. Hopkins and RJJ both were supreme at a time when no serious rivalries were there to boost their careers (this wasn't anytihng like the Hagler/Leonard/Hearns/Duran era LOL).

It doesn't matter if it's fair or not, that's the way it is.

Hopkins is old. A 40 year old body (even though it's in-shape) will not be able to handle the younger, more experienced Taylor. Taylor knows he got a lucky decision, he knows in the people's eyes he's not that legitimate so he's going to train hard, and UD Hopkins. Another couple of months has gone by whereas Hopkins isn't getting any younger. I think Hopkins will take it to Taylor in the first couple of rounds to get his respect, but will pay for it in the later rounds. Taylor UD 12.

a gift decision?! against the #1 p4p guy? dont kid yourself,that **** dosent happen.

Hopkins didnt fight that fight any diffrent than his previous fights,Taylor was supposed to give in the late rounds,thats what hopkins was counting on,as always,and to a degree this did happen,but not nearly to the extent Hop needed it to.He also fought a green Taylor,but taylors past that now,Im sure he'll beat Hop,that only way i see hop winning is if he get a gift decision.

Hop may be more agressive but i doubt it'll be to his advantge,he'd have to keep that pace 12 rounds,which really he isnt use to.
ARE YOU BRITTISH?

Hopkins is old. A 40 year old body (even though it's in-shape) will not be able to handle the younger, more experienced Taylor. Taylor knows he got a lucky decision, he knows in the people's eyes he's not that legitimate so he's going to train hard, and UD Hopkins. Another couple of months has gone by whereas Hopkins isn't getting any younger. I think Hopkins will take it to Taylor in the first couple of rounds to get his respect, but will pay for it in the later rounds. Taylor UD 12.

there's good reasons why hopkins has chosen to be a conservative starter and plodder in last several fights.don't agree with some posters that nard is going to use a different gameplan.

i see nard stepping it up a little bit more in early rounds and fighting more dirtier.which is legit to me.do what ever you have to to win.but be ready to recieve in kind.

taylor immediately after last fight talked about the mistakes he made.and will ammend them with more accurate and less anxious blows.and won't wear himself down early. and hopefully use dirty tactics to spoil hopkins.

i'm still amazed that the bone splitting head butt taylor aquired didnt take more wind out of his sail.

taylor gained two years of expierience from the great bernard last fight.and with all this extra time to train will show up twice as good and beat bernard convincingly imo.

Taylor will pound Hopkins this time around, and I mean pound him.

Taylor will pound Hopkins this time around, and I mean pound him.

I highly doubt that

Give me some points/karma Diego. By rights, you should be off this forum...

I see Taylor winning this again. I think he will do it for all 12 rounds, instead of not losing any rounds in the first 9. The first 9 rounds Taylor won 7, 2 rounds was even. *****kins only won the last 3 rounds.

*****kins will run like a bunny again, so if that happens, I will go with Taylor by UD win. If *****kins get brave this time, he will get knocked out this time. I also think that we need a good ref in the rematch, that Nady ******* let *****kins get away with many fouls.

*****kins is one of the dirtiest boxers I've ever seen. He's been a great champ, but also he has no class, fights like a ***** & cries like a *****.

Many people don't know **** about Taylor, I've seen many fights from Taylor, the guy is a great boxer & can punch very hard. I don't see *****kins winning the rematch period.

i find it strange that taylor is the money odds underdog.just like i found it strange wklit was underdog.

i know vegas uses offshore box to set their odds but i sort of smell a skunky smell here(and i don't mean cannabis indica.)

well don't matter. just more money for me to win!!

and corrales being rated underdog...i love it!!!

i love that smell.

I still cant believe a judge gave taylor round 12, just dont get it.
He was trying to make up for giving Hopkins 2 early rounds that no one else did. Of course Hopkins doesn't mention that when he talks about the crappy scoring.

i find it strange that taylor is the money odds underdog.just like i found it strange wklit was underdog.

i know vegas uses offshore box to set their odds but i sort of smell a skunky smell here(and i don't mean cannabis indica.)

well don't matter. just more money for me to win!!

and corrales being rated underdog...i love it!!!

i love that smell.

Corrales is the favorite, i dont know where you get your odds

Corrales is the favorite, i dont know where you get your odds

damn...you're right hitman. just flipped to betting odds. corrales -150.

two weeks ago they had corrales as underdog.

can anyone back me up on this.

it wasn't intentional hitman.

a gift decision?! against the #1 p4p guy? dont kid yourself,that **** dosent happen.

Yeah so, I'm not going to lower myself to stating random conspiracy theories....but think about it.

1.) Hopkins is not exactly a good friend of boxing's general establishment

2.) He just so happened to hold all the major MW belts

3.) Taylor is new blood.


Taylor was supposed to give in the late rounds,thats what hopkins was counting on,as always,and to a degree this did happen,but not nearly to the extent Hop needed it to.

I thought he gave enough for Hopkins to win the fight.



Hop may be more agressive but i doubt it'll be to his advantge,he'd have to keep that pace 12 rounds,which really he isnt use to.

Hopkins best shot is to be agressive. He had trouble trying to potshot Taylor from the outside.

Hopkins is used to fighting the entire 12 rounds. Watch his fights with Echols, Holmes, Mercado 1, Johnson etc. Even though the Johnson fight did not go the distance. He can be as busy as anyone on the inside.

Runwithknives..

I actually agree...

Hopkins TKO 7..

Runwithknives..

I actually agree...

Hopkins TKO 7..

I had such high hopes for you... :nonono:

I had such high hopes for you... :nonono:

Honestly, Hopkins will KO this guy..

Taylor did nothing in the first fight, just throw a bunch of meaningless punches that did nothing..

He did not even outbox hopkins in a single round...

Hopkins is going to KO Taylor in under 10-11 rounds. I don't think the gameplan will change much from Hopkins BUT he's going to be a bit more active in the 1st 4-5 rounds on Taylor, so he at least gets a couple rounds on the scorecards.

Hopkins is one of the craftiest fighters in the game and his defence is just awesome. He took Taylor's punches and he now knows Taylor can't punch so I think Hopkins will let his hands go somewhere around round 8 and KO Taylor once and for all.

He will go down as history as one of the best middleweights EVER.

I had such high hopes for you... :nonono:

You wanted to bet.

I'll bet 200 million points straight up.

hopkins is ganna make EASY WORK of taylor
he'll ko taylor in a easy fight 4 him

Do you think he will be less tentative against Taylor this time around? I personally think so. The average fan seems to be under the impression that he is solely limited to boxing from the outside....and does not posess the ability to mix it up on the inside.

Sure buddies. Keep telling yourselves that. Taylor might need to remember he is dealing with one of the most diverse pugilists to ever fight in this division, as well as one of the best INSIDE fighters.

This rematch means alot to me....because if Taylor wins LEGITIMATELY this time.....I will obviously give him due credit. As it stands...he recieved a gift decision in a fight where he was outlanded and outboxed by the craftier fighter.

Actually the casual fan thinks Hopkins will crush Taylor in a rematch, at least the ones I've encountered. I post on this Hajime No Ippo (boxing anime) forum and those guys only very casually follow boxing. Every single one of them think Hopkins will come out much more aggressively, many think he'll knock Taylor out.

I won't be surprised of any outcome except Hopkins knocking Taylor out early. Right now I'm leaning toward Taylor, though I'm not confident at all.

Actually the casual fan thinks Hopkins will crush Taylor in a rematch, at least the ones I've encountered. I post on this Hajime No Ippo (boxing anime) forum and those guys only very casually follow boxing. Every single one of them think Hopkins will come out much more aggressively, many think he'll knock Taylor out.

I won't be surprised of any outcome except Hopkins knocking Taylor out early. Right now I'm leaning toward Taylor, though I'm not confident at all.

Exactly, now that would be shocking.I mean when people say he will KO taylor,i dont see where theyre coming from considering hopkins isnt known as a KO guy.

i think taylor is going to be more of a game fighter this time around. but hopkins is still more crafty and probably more hungry too. he won that first fight flat out 116-112, close rounds go to the champ, not the challeger who didn't land an 1/8 of the punches he threw per round. hopkins has been the best conditioned fighter in boxing for years, starting fast and going the distance isnt going to be an issue with him, he gets stronger as the fight goes on, no worries there. i think he's going to make taylor fight harder sooner in the fight and pressure him into making mistakes. with a rigorous body attack early hopkins should have taylor out of there by the 10th rd.

like i said taylor will be more game this time. i'm sure he learned a lot in his last fight and he'll correct a lot of his mistakes,and have more confidence. but having more confidence might be his downfall in this fight because he'll be in closer and easier to hit, making himself more open to be countered.
even if taylor makes the proper corrections of his mistakes in the first fight, that only covers the first fight. hopkins has more to offer than what he brought in the first fight, he has more tricks that taylor isnt going to be ready for. he has a whole labyrinth of boxing skill, knowledge, and tactics.like an encyclopedia. all taylor has is a book about as intricate as " See Spot Run "

hopkins wins in a more challenging fight before the end of the 10th rd.
hopkins 10th rd tko/ko........

You wanted to bet.

I'll bet 200 million points straight up.

Its on for 200mill.

Personally, I didn't think that Hopkins took the first rounds off and coasted. I thought he displayed magnificent defensive skill with his footwork and upper body movement. If he isn't able to knock down Taylor on December 3, I hope that his corner of the ref does the right thing and calls the fight before Jermaine ends up taking too much punishment that would hinder his return. I thought it was a terrible beating that Hopkins gave to Joppy and his corner didn't stop the fight (although I suspect that the side bet between the two fighters might have had a bit to do with that decision).

Hopkins is too old to outpoint Taylor over 12 rounds. Hopkins needs a KO, but didn't get one against a headbutted and tired Taylor in the first fight when he was behind on the scorecards, and it won't be any easier this time.

I don't agree that Hopkins is somehow coming in to the second fight so much better than he was in the first, and Taylor will be the same as he was in the first fight or worse. That makes no sense. The only thing Taylor needs to add is more stamina and it's a clear win for him. Hopkins won't trade with a fresh Taylor. I agree that he needs to, because a KO is his best strategy. Will Hopkins take that risk? I would love to see it, but don't expect to.

Everyone can say what they want but Hopkins CANNOT start with a bang and come out smokin'.

Bernard's talking like He is going to knock him out, but once the fight starts it's going to be safety first once again. I personally think this will be Hopkins last fight, and He will go out on a winning note.

He's going to need all the tricks of the trade to beat the younger Taylor but I think he can do it.

Hopkins confused Taylor the first fight and nothing shows me he won't do it again.