View Full Version : Did Ingemar Johansson have one of the hardest punches ever


drew75
12-21-2004, 12:15 PM
Henry cooper said he didn't even feel it he just woke up about 30 seconds later. How does Ingos Bingo compare to any of the other hard punchers.

dempseyfire
12-21-2004, 04:28 PM
His right hand was really all he had, but power-wise I believe it's up there with history's best HW punches . . .

drew75
12-21-2004, 05:10 PM
I think in his prime it measured 500 kg and Ali's was about 350 kg at his prime.

jabsRstiff
12-22-2004, 07:01 AM
Johannson's right hand is one of the bigger punches in heavyweight history.
He had no left hand to speak of, however.

The biggest hitters in heavy history had two-fisted power (Louis,Marciano,Shavers,Dempsey,Foreman,Liston,Tys on)

Ivansmamma
12-22-2004, 05:27 PM
Ingos bingo was great, if it wasen't for the London fight he would have been ranked higher. Sorry that he's got ahlzimers today. He seems to be a great guy. Sorry if this is off topic.

Mr. Ryan
12-22-2004, 05:53 PM
Ask Floyd Patterson, who was yo-yoed in the first fight. His straight right hand was an amazing punch. Didn't have anything else, I mean anything.

Ivansmamma
12-22-2004, 07:19 PM
He had pretty good defense.

Mr. Ryan
12-22-2004, 07:22 PM
He had pretty good defense.
But his chin was shaky, and I heard upon Liston's entrance into the ring for the third Patterson fight, so were his knees.

Ivansmamma
12-22-2004, 07:36 PM
But his chin was shaky, and I heard upon Liston's entrance into the ring for the third Patterson fight, so were his knees.

I agree but i still have to say he was great because
if from Sweden and Ingemar is probably the only HW champ we'll ever have.

jabsRstiff
12-23-2004, 07:04 AM
I agree but i still have to say he was great because
if from Sweden and Ingemar is probably the only HW champ we'll ever have.

Oh, that's all it takes to make a fighter great....to actually BE FROM SOMEWHERE ?

phallus
12-23-2004, 11:13 PM
But his chin was shaky, and I heard upon Liston's entrance into the ring for the third Patterson fight, so were his knees.


shaky??? Floyd Patterson had the worst chin in history, it was pure crystal, i think he was knocked out the most times of any hw champ in history

Ivansmamma
12-24-2004, 05:10 PM
Oh, that's all it takes to make a fighter great....to actually BE FROM SOMEWHERE ?

No to actually be from Sweden :rolleyes:

Ivansmamma
12-24-2004, 05:11 PM
shaky??? he had the worst chin in history, it was pure crystal, i think he was knocked out the most times of any hw champ in history

Except Patterson.

Kid Achilles
12-24-2004, 09:11 PM
Great right hand power. If Ingo hit you with anything resembling a right hand punch, he hurt you. Still the rest of him was pretty ordinary. I think you'd have to rank even Willard, Braddock, and the other lesser champions above him. As limited as they were (compared to guys like Ali, Louis, and Marciano) they at least possessed a handful of championship qualities whereas Ingo only had that punch. If you were to take it away from him, he would have been a decent journeyman at best.

MGG
12-25-2004, 02:20 PM
No, Ingemar just happened to meet one of the weakest heavyweight .

phallus
12-26-2004, 07:34 PM
Patterson was a *****, Ali KNOCKED HIM OUT WITH A JAB!

jabsRstiff
12-27-2004, 02:42 PM
Patterson was a *****, Ali KNOCKED HIM OUT WITH A JAB!


That's not remotely true.

Patterson took hundreds of punches from Ali in fight #1. A fight in which Floyd was being effected by terrible back spasms.

In fight # 2....Floyd was stopped on a cut....& from taking a beating.

dempseyfire
12-27-2004, 02:48 PM
Patterson is extreamly under-rated. He didn't have a good set of whiskers but you don't go all those rounds with Quarry and Bonavena and have a glass chin. He got knocked down (not out) the most times out of all of the HW champs but the majority of those were in the first Johansson fight and with a modern referee that fight would've been stopped after the 2nd or 3rd knockdown . . .

Mr. Ryan
12-27-2004, 03:55 PM
Patterson is extreamly under-rated. He didn't have a good set of whiskers but you don't go all those rounds with Quarry and Bonavena and have a glass chin. He got knocked down (not out) the most times out of all of the HW champs but the majority of those were in the first Johansson fight and with a modern referee that fight would've been stopped after the 2nd or 3rd knockdown . . .
No, the man was protected by Cus D'Amato from any serious opposition at heavyweight. Cus knew something long before Ingemar did. That explains Patterson's little disguise after the Liston fight.

lmnorw
02-25-2005, 03:46 PM
ingo only had 2 loses both 2 patterson a hall of famer so the man was pretty good as for his power he had patterson down 7 times in one round and ali couldnt knock him down at all in 2 fights i believe but yet he knocked down foreman so ingo could punch

M26
02-26-2005, 08:12 AM
He had one helluva right hand, thatīs true. Still, if he had the punching power of Foreman, Marciano, Tyson, Liston or Shavers, he wouldnīt have to knock Patterson down 7 times...

(When it comes to the fight between Ali and Foreman which you refer to, I have to point out that Foreman only went down from Alis combination because of exhaustion. It was not about power. I canīt see Ingo dropping Foreman)

The Phantom Menace
02-26-2005, 10:32 AM
His right hand was one of the heaviest. He was not remembered for being one of the heaviest punchers in history however.

lmnorw
02-26-2005, 12:42 PM
true i doubt ingo could even get out of the first round with foreman.but just because patterson kept getting up doesnt mean he wasnt a big time puncher for his weight..i believe the only person who knocked patterson down and made him stay down was liston and liston was a natural heavyweight and i think patterson started his career as a middleweight

Rspen46
06-14-2013, 04:33 PM
He very good power, but I would rate his HW power somewhere outside the top 20 or 25 in the history of the division, still not taking anything away from his power.
I would say the all time Hardest HW punchers & their were quite a few, would have to be put in 3 tiers, Guys like Foreman, Liston, Shavers & a few others tier 1, then 2nd tier Guys like Patterson, & others,

Ingemar would be somewhere in the 3rd Tier.

Rspen46
07-04-2013, 03:00 AM
I would say his power does not make the top 10 all time HW list, maybe top 20, does not mean anything though, because he had some awesome power, just means, I could easily pick 10 over him, & 15, 20, well by that point, it's just flip a coin over several guys if they make the top 20 or get left off.

KidKwik
07-05-2013, 01:11 AM
shaky??? Floyd Patterson had the worst chin in history, it was pure crystal, i think he was knocked out the most times of any hw champ in history

I know this is a bump thread and all that, but I don't want anybody who's still on here to think this is true. Floyd got Koed by Ingemar Johansson, Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali. 3 people. He got Koed twice by Liston and Ali though. But to say he had a glass chin..? Come on man

Bodyshot3
07-07-2013, 04:22 PM
It has to be right up there.....and I do think it is a wee bit tough/basic to judge Johansson's punching credibilty solely based on his encounters with FP and whether Floyd had a chin or not.

Eddie Machen and Henry Cooper both got stopped early by Johansson as did the much bigger Ten Hoff as well. 'Thors Hammer' was a world-class weapon and especially when you consider that Johansson was invariably bigger and heavier men.

louis54
07-10-2013, 10:11 PM
patterson said he hit harder than liston. his right was one of the hardest ever but as kid a said, otherwise he was ordinary

Sugarj
07-11-2013, 06:01 AM
shaky??? Floyd Patterson had the worst chin in history, it was pure crystal, i think he was knocked out the most times of any hw champ in history


Wrong. Only Johannson, Liston and Ali ever stopped him.

That said there were plenty of knockdowns and it is true, his chin was an area to be exploited.

Ray Corso
07-11-2013, 08:20 AM
Ingo's career was very very short (28 bouts) and his bouts with Floyd were the highlights!! He didn't fight anyone of note other than Machen & London and neither of them are top tier competitors! He obviously had a strong right hand punch but theres not much experience in a short 9 years career!

On the other hand Floyd Paterson had 40KOs in 55 wins (64 pro fights) and another 37 in 44 amatuer fights (40 wins) with a Gold Medal at the Olympics as a Middleweight!
Floyds KO percentage is high and he was only stopped off his feet by Liston and the one Ingo tko!! The others were tko on cuts or injury!

Funny how his accomplishments aren't recognized anymore as the youngest champ and the first to regain the title!! Those were high credits for Ali & Tyson so why not for Floyd who did it first????

At barely 6' and 185lbs Floyd brought power and speed and other than Listen & Ali everyone had problems with him!! Terrific competitor and a great man outside the ring he is missed today because of his high qualities as a man!
Liston was his poison and Cus knew that but Floyd insisted on the defenses!
Same thing Cus felt about Big George for Tyson, and Cus learned his lessons well !!

Ray.

SBleeder
07-11-2013, 09:46 AM
Wrong. Only Johannson, Liston and Ali ever stopped him.

That said there were plenty of knockdowns and it is true, his chin was an area to be exploited.

And the Ali stoppages were both with Patterson on his feet.

Getting knocked out by Sonny Liston (IMO the hardest puncher in heavyweight history) and Johannson are not indicative of having a glass chin.

mickey malone
07-11-2013, 03:55 PM
And the Ali stoppages were both with Patterson on his feet.

Getting knocked out by Sonny Liston (IMO the hardest puncher in heavyweight history) and Johannson are not indicative of having a glass chin.
Comparing the chins of Patterson and Johansson, i'd say it was Floyd who had the better punch resistance. When Ingo went down, it was for keeps. Remember him getting properly nailed at the end of the 12th vs Brian London, was literally saved by the bell, and had his hand raised while out on his stool.. London was'nt exactly a beast, and was handled with ease by Patterson prior to fighting Ingo..
His 'Bingo' punch is'nt quite up there with the suziQ, Foreman's uppercut, or Fraziers left hook, but was nevertheless a very potent equalizer for a fairly limited skillset..

What an extaordinary asset he was to his nation though. I defy anyone on this forum to have ever even met a Swedish boxer, let alone a European and undisputed world hvwt champ. Big ups to the man really.

Greatest1942
07-12-2013, 06:18 AM
Ingo's right hand was big..in terms of KO powers one of the best, he could and did stop a lot of guys with it...

And for a boxer who was average at best it was really the best he had.