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DarkTerror88
06-15-2011, 11:59 PM
How can you define heart and how can determine when someone truly actually had it? Which fighter(s) has the most heart out of them all? How can you measure heart?

I cannot begin this thread as I do not have in me to try and decide who has more heart than anyone else.

Good luck gentlemen.

JAB5239
06-16-2011, 12:28 AM
How can you define heart and how can determine when someone truly actually had it? Which fighter(s) has the most heart out of them all? How can you measure heart?

I cannot begin this thread as I do not have in me to try and decide who has more heart than anyone else.

Good luck gentlemen.

Harry Greb or Sam Langford. Both were undersized and partially blind for parts of their respective careers and taking on the best fighters of ANY color.

Joe Gans and Jack Johnson. Both were breaking down and crossing the color line to question white superiority at a time when blacks were still being lynched for looking at white women

I think any of these 4 are suitable choices.

Terry A
06-16-2011, 12:35 AM
Harry Greb or Sam Langford. Both were undersized and partially blind for parts of their respective careers and taking on the best fighters of ANY color.

Joe Gans and Jack Johnson. Both were breaking down and crossing the color line to question white superiority at a time when blacks were still being lynched for looking at white women

I think any of these 4 are suitable choices.

All those are good examples.

I'll add Ali staying in there with Norton w/ a broken jaw, Holmes finishing the fight w/ Norton with a torn bicep muscle and Joe Frazier getting up 6 times during his 1st fight with Foreman.

Barnburner
06-16-2011, 03:55 AM
How can you define heart and how can determine when someone truly actually had it? Which fighter(s) has the most heart out of them all? How can you measure heart?

I cannot begin this thread as I do not have in me to try and decide who has more heart than anyone else.

Good luck gentlemen.

No heart ;)

DarkTerror88
06-16-2011, 09:54 AM
No heart ;)

There are so many great fighters that I don't want to dishonor all the greats when trying to puck one.

I would probably go with Langford and Greb who literally were underdogs. Blind ones at that.

Boxing Bob
06-16-2011, 05:14 PM
JM Marquez comes to mind. Getting knocked down 3 times and getting his beak busted(in the 1st round) against Pac, and then fighting on at least even terms for the rest of the bout. That knock down against Katsidis looked to me like the kind of shot 95% don't get up from. He got up and scored his own stoppage. True heart in my book.

$Natedatpkid$
06-16-2011, 06:26 PM
JM Marquez comes to mind. Getting knocked down 3 times and getting his beak busted(in the 1st round) against Pac, and then fighting on at least even terms for the rest of the bout. That knock down against Katsidis looked to me like the kind of shot 95% don't get up from. He got up and scored his own stoppage. True heart in my book.

Exactly who came to mind. I'm not saying he has the biggest heart of all time but one of the best today, never staying down after knockdowns, always gets up and whoops that ass.

Heart to me is the ability to get back up after getting knocked down, the ability to take somebodys best shots and keep coming after em, and fighting everybody, no ducks.

I'd like to throw Muhammad Ali out there as well, fought EVERYBODY in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights EVER. Fought his biggest challenges(Frazier & Norton) 3 times and even though he had nothing more to prove in the sport took on Larry Holmes in a courageous effort.Kinda had ****y heart too, just standing in front of against the ropes probably the hardest hitter ever in Foreman.

PRINCE O' PROSE
06-16-2011, 09:40 PM
Kennedy McKinney.

House of Stone
06-17-2011, 05:15 AM
Arturo Gatti round 9 v Ward ...
Diego Corrales round 10 v Castillo ... nuff said

RubenSonny
06-17-2011, 09:42 AM
I cannot say enough about Azumah Nelson taking Salvador Sanchez to hell.

IronDanHamza
06-17-2011, 10:26 AM
Speaking of him in the other thread I think Jake Lamotta deserves a mention.The man would fight anyone and give it his all.

We know that he threw the Billy Fox fight but what choice did he have? He wanted a title shot and it was becoming an increasing difficult task considering.

He fought the fighter I consider to be the greatest fighter of all time 6 times and took the fight to him and took a hel of a lot of punishment. He fought Zivic 4 times, Lloyd Marshall, Marcel Cerdan and of course Ray Robinson 6 times.Most of the time lacking physical and athletic gifts. Which say's a whole lot about his heart.

That's without a long list of solid fights he fought many in which he was behind and being outboxed and turned the fights round due to sheer heart, literally sheer heart. Obviously the most notable being the Laurent Dauthuille fight with the famous last 15 second knock out.

I'm not sure how much credibility this has but according to the Raging Bull film allegedly Jake Lamotta was very upset that he would never get to fight Joe Louis, therefore wouldn't never be able to be the best. :lol1: Again, I'm not sure how credible that is, but, it genuinely wouldn't suprise me if Jake were to say that.

Bottom line, Jake Lamotta is the epitome of 'heart', the man is built from heart. The foundation of his greatness amongst his unhuman chin, is his heart.

If someone were to ask me what heart is, I would tell them to go and watch a Jake Lamotta fight.

Barnburner
06-17-2011, 11:25 AM
Speaking of him in the other thread I think Jake Lamotta deserves a mention.The man would fight anyone and give it his all.

We know that he threw the Billy Fox fight but what choice did he have? He wanted a title shot and it was becoming an increasing difficult task considering.

He fought the fighter I consider to be the greatest fighter of all time 6 times and took the fight to him and took a hel of a lot of punishment. He fought Zivic 4 times, Lloyd Marshall, Marcel Cerdan and of course Ray Robinson 6 times.Most of the time lacking physical and athletic gifts. Which say's a whole lot about his heart.

That's without a long list of solid fights he fought many in which he was behind and being outboxed and turned the fights round due to sheer heart, literally sheer heart. Obviously the most notable being the Laurent Dauthuille fight with the famous last 15 second knock out.

I'm not sure how much credibility this has but according to the Raging Bull film allegedly Jake Lamotta was very upset that he would never get to fight Joe Louis, therefore wouldn't never be able to be the best. :lol1: Again, I'm not sure how credible that is, but, it genuinely wouldn't suprise me if Jake were to say that.

Bottom line, Jake Lamotta is the epitome of 'heart', the man is built from heart. The foundation of his greatness amongst his unhuman chin, is his heart.

If someone were to ask me what heart is, I would tell them to go and watch a Jake Lamotta fight.

I've heard that also. Not from the movie though.

The Surgeon
06-18-2011, 02:54 PM
Heart to me can be battling through cuts, getting up from knockdowns, attempting to get up from KO's, taking on bigger and better foes, continuously walking into the meat grinder and through the agony because its ur only shot at a victory u arent prepared to let go...

Ive been thoroughly impressed with Gatti and Corrales in the heart department in recent years, along with Jmm and i hate to say it Margacheato - he was getting THRASHED by Manny and must have been in pain with the damage that was done to him but kept going forward and never even for one second contemplated withdrawing and importantly he kept trying to WIN the fight not just see it out

Obviously the Moore vs Durelle fight needs a shout, Marciano had a big heart too but imho the man with the biggest heart in boxing history is Smokin Joe Frazier :boxing: