Germany should be banned from boxing, its a disgrace how time after time they continue to rob fighters. The belts should refuse to sanction fights there anymore.

I accept hometown decisions, its been part of boxing since it began but a hometown decision is IMO where the home fighter wins the close rounds, its not them winning every round regardless of how they perform!!

I can only think of a couple of times when a fighters been "robbed" in the UK. When Johnny Nelson fought Guillermo Jones i'd consider that unfair even tough the fight was a draw and when Scott Harrison beat Victor Polo it caused a few deabates. Even then when it wasnt really robbing i felt sorry for the opponents so the German fans surely must feel like fools because ALL OF THEIR FIGHTS ARE FIXED!!

Dont confuse Germany with other european countrys, they are on their own when it comes to biased decisions.

YES!!!

Not only the judges are fixed, but ALSO the referee and ****.

No. Because not every single fight that takes place in Germany results in a bad decision.

In my opinion.....if you ban Germany...

You should ban ****ing Las Vegas. Its ten times worse.

No. Because not every single fight that takes place in Germany results in a bad decision.

In my opinion.....if you ban Germany...

You should ban ****ing Las Vegas. Its ten times worse.
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ban both?

i remembered being so pissed off at the decisin of ottke vs reid
reid had him knockedown the ref down everything to help ottke , now they act as if he was the best supermiddleweight at the time, he would of been ko'd by the top 15 supermiddleweights around if he'd faced them outside germany

No. Because not every single fight that takes place in Germany results in a bad decision.

In my opinion.....if you ban Germany...

You should ban ****ing Las Vegas. Its ten times worse.
especially on a club level boxing. Reminds me of Snatch a little bit.

No. Because not every single fight that takes place in Germany results in a bad decision.

In my opinion.....if you ban Germany...

You should ban ****ing Las Vegas. Its ten times worse.
How many Las Vegas robberies have you seen?

How many Las Vegas robberies have you seen?

****. Let me list them all.

Give me a second.

How many Las Vegas robberies have you seen?


how many german robberies have you seen

****. Let me list them all.

Give me a second.

They can't be controversial decisions though...

Germany has had lot of PURE BIGGGGGG robberies...

I just saw the Brewster Laquini(?) and it WAS hilarious. Every round went to the German even though he did't do **** at times. **** was RIDICULOUS. EVen the between round replays were funny. The German would get pounded by Brewster but they'll show a replay of the other guy landing a jab. It was as sickening as it was funny.

how many german robberies have you seen

It's evident that like 99% of fights in Germany have been robberies..Why else would it have such a bad name?

How many Las Vegas robberies have you seen?

De La Hoya was robbed against Tito, but i suppose he shouldnt have assumed he'd won run for the last few rounds.

Its hardly the same as losing every round but still winning the fight(Ottke vs Reid)

How many Las Vegas robberies have you seen?

De La Hoya v.s. Sturm
De La Hoya v.s. Mosley 2
Bernard Hopkins v.s. Jermaine Taylor
De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad
George Foreman v.s. Axel Schulz

and the list goes on and on.

Funny how the two bolded are german fighters.

Crying about us getting unfair treatment in Germany is retarded....especially when they get equally as bad treatment here.

De La Hoya v.s. Sturm
De La Hoya v.s. Mosley 2
Bernard Hopkins v.s. Jermaine Taylor
De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad
George Foreman v.s. Axel Schulz

and the list goes on and on.

Funny how the two bolded are german fighters.

Crying about us getting unfair treatment in Germany is retarded....especially when they get equally as bad treatment here.

While I do believe that DLH won against Trinidad I wouldnt call it a flat out robbery. The fact is that DLH ran and didnt do enough to win convincingly. A little of the same can be said for BHop vs Taylor.

De La Hoya v.s. Sturm
De La Hoya v.s. Mosley 2
Bernard Hopkins v.s. Jermaine Taylor
De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad
George Foreman v.s. Axel Schulz

and the list goes on and on.


De La Hoya v.s. Sturm = wasnt a clear robbery IMO, but i think Sturm won that by a couple of points.

De La Hoya v.s. Mosley 2 = Agreed

Bernard Hopkins v.s. Jermaine Taylor = Taylor beat Hopkins, this definitely wasnt a robbery.

De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad = yeah, DLH got robbed in this fight.

George Foreman v.s. Axel Schulz = cant remember seeing this.

De La Hoya v.s. Sturm = wasnt a clear robbery IMO, but i think Sturm won that by a couple of points.

De La Hoya v.s. Mosley 2 = Agreed

Bernard Hopkins v.s. Jermaine Taylor = Taylor beat Hopkins, this definitely wasnt a robbery.

De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad = yeah, DLH got robbed in this fight.

George Foreman v.s. Axel Schulz = cant remember seeing this.


Foreman v.s. Schulz is one of the biggest robberies in the history of the heavyweight division. I gave Foreman 3 rounds in that fight.

Hopkins won 115-113 on my card against Taylor.

It's evident that like 99% of fights in Germany have been robberies..Why else would it have such a bad name?


that's just crazy, man

The only 2 fights on that list that were BIG robberies was DLH-Sturm/Mosley..

I think they were all robberies, but they weren't flat out robberies...

The only 2 fights on that list that were BIG robberies was DLH-Sturm/Mosley..

I think they were all robberies, but they weren't flat out robberies...

Name all the robberies from Germany you know of.

Except Valuev/Donald and Reid/Ottke.

Foreman v.s. Schulz is one of the biggest robberies in the history of the heavyweight division. I gave Foreman 3 rounds in that fight.

Hopkins won 115-113 on my card against Taylor.

Do you have the Foreman fight?

Even if Hopkins did win he can only blame himself, he wasnt even fighting for the first half of the fight. Thats probably the worst fight plan i've ever seen anyone attempt.

Name all the robberies from Germany you know of.
LoL

I haven't really seen to many there but I know Ottke-Reid which was not only robbery from the judges but also the referee actually you're right, not every fight in Germany is a robbery.

You win.

Do you have the Foreman fight?

Even if Hopkins did win he can only blame himself, he wasnt even fighting for the first half of the fight. Thats probably the worst fight plan i've ever seen anyone attempt.

No I dont have it. I saw that fight a long time ago and it still remains a complete robbery. Anyone will tell you that.

Even Slipx. He is as big a Foreman fan as you will find on this forum.

I am also sure he thought Foreman recieved a gift.

Name all the robberies from Germany you know of.

Except Valuev/Donald and Reid/Ottke.

Its pretty hard to remember them because there not big fights, all i know is everytime i watch eurosports(shows a lot of German fights) i see someone getting robbed.

Sven Ottke was probably the worst for biased decisions, i've never seen an unbeaten fighter get beat so many times.

Do you have the Foreman fight?

Even if Hopkins did win he can only blame himself, he wasnt even fighting for the first half of the fight. Thats probably the worst fight plan i've ever seen anyone attempt.



Final PunchStat Report

Punches Landed / Thrown


Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
Hopkins 96 / 326 18 / 109 78 / 217
Taylor 86 / 453 36 / 264 50 / 189

Its pretty hard to remember them because there not big fights, all i know is everytime i watch eurosports(shows a lot of German fights) i see someone getting robbed.

Sven Ottke was probably the worst for biased decisions, i've never seen an unbeaten fighter get beat so many times.

Ok sure. I will agree Germans have a strange system in place for reffing and judging fights.

But going back to the point of the thread, I say no. You cant ban Germany without banning Las Vegas.

It is equally as bad. And maybe worse in a sense because of the big names and marquis fights.

Final PunchStat Report

Punches Landed / Thrown


Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
Hopkins 96 / 326 18 / 109 78 / 217
Taylor 86 / 453 36 / 264 50 / 189


Fights aren't judged by punch stats.

I think Hopkins won, but not because of punch stats.

Ok sure. I will agree Germans have a strange system in place for reffing and judging fights.

But going back to the point of the thread, I say no. You cant ban Germany without banning Las Vegas.

It is equally as bad. And maybe worse in a sense because of the big names and marquis fights.

I know there may be quit some robberies at Vegas...

BUT

Compare the ratio and percentage...

Fights aren't judged by punch stats.

I think Hopkins won, but not because of punch stats.


sure... but the stats are quite informative in showing that Hopkins landed more total punches and more power punches.

I know there may be quit some robberies at Vegas...

BUT

Compare the ratio and percentage...

I have seen plenty of Klitschko fights broadcast in Germany. Most of them ended in knockout so that might skew the percentage a bit slightly.

I know there may be quit some robberies at Vegas...

BUT

Compare the ratio and percentage...


compare the ratio and percentage?

do you even have the data to compute these?

sure... but the stats are quite informative in showing that Hopkins landed more total punches and more power punches.

Listen man,

Fights are not judged by the number of punches and power punches landed. He didn't do **** for the first 5-6 rounds, he may have beat the **** out of Taylor, but Taylor won because he was throwing punches n ****.

Ok sure. I will agree Germans have a strange system in place for reffing and judging fights.

But going back to the point of the thread, I say no. You cant ban Germany without banning Las Vegas.

It is equally as bad. And maybe worse in a sense because of the big names and marquis fights.

The thing that really gets me about German fights is that no matter now bad the decision is the fans will always applaud the winner. When i see a bad decision in Vegas the fans normally acknowledge their man should have really lost.

If not ban them they shoudl at least investigate some of these decisions, especially something as bad as Ottke vs Reid, i know everyone keeps mentioning that fight but it just goes to show how bad it really was.

But i suppose fighters go to Germany knowing the could get robbed, but they take the risk because the moneys so good.

compare the ratio and percentage?

do you even have the data to compute these?

Listen...

There are ten thousand more title fights at Vegas then there is at Germany...

A very small ratio of these fights are robberies, where in Germany a large percentage end in robberies.

The thing that really gets me about German fights is that no matter now bad the decision is the fans will always applaud the winner. When i see a bad decision in Vegas the fans normally acknowledge their man should have really lost.

If not ban them they shoudl at least investigate some of these decisions, especially something as bad as Ottke vs Reid, i know everyone keeps mentioning that fight but it just goes to show how bad it really was.

But i suppose fighters go to Germany knowing the could get robbed, but they take the risk because the moneys so good.

I admit. Reid v.s. Ottke was horrible.

Keep in mind though. Here in the States, robberies are common.

three names:

Emmanuel Augustus Burton.

Listen man,

Fights are not judged by the number of punches and power punches landed. He didn't do **** for the first 5-6 rounds, he may have beat the **** out of Taylor, but Taylor won because he was throwing punches n ****.


Power Punches Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Hopkins 2/6 5/13 4/6 5/19 7/17 2/6 3/10 3/12 5/19 15/43 16/33 11/33
Taylor 2/13 8/17 1/11 4/20 6/17 11/18 5/11 2/16 2/15 3/19 1/10 5/22


Hopkins landed more power punches in rounds 3,4,5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Final PunchStat Report

Punches Landed / Thrown


Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
Hopkins 96 / 326 18 / 109 78 / 217
Taylor 86 / 453 36 / 264 50 / 189

Fights are judged round by round, Hopkins could have landed 10x as many punches as Taylor but it doesnt change the fact Hopkins lost the first 6 rounds because he didnt even try to fight.

While I do believe that DLH won against Trinidad I wouldnt call it a flat out robbery. The fact is that DLH ran and didnt do enough to win convincingly. A little of the same can be said for BHop vs Taylor.

Oh god.

One judge gave 3 of the first 4 rounds to Trinidad. Also the 12th to De La Hoya.

That fight = Fix from hell.

Fights are judged round by round, Hopkins could have landed 10x as many punches as Taylor but it doesnt change the fact Hopkins lost the first 6 rounds because he didnt even try to fight.

his advantage in power-punching was well distributed over rounds, as shown in the post that precedes yours

Hopkins dominated in terms of power-punching in 8 out of 12 rounds, including rounds 3,4, and 5.

I admit. Reid v.s. Ottke was horrible.

Keep in mind though. Here in the States, robberies are common.

three names:

Emmanuel Augustus Burton.

I only see the bigger fights in US, so i probably dont see these robberys. Here in the UK fights normally get judged correctly, theres always a few debates about close decision but thats always going to happen because its personal opinion.

I like Augustus, but he does get a few bad decisions. Surely a man who give Mayweather trouble should have a better record than he does.

Oh god.

One judge gave 3 of the first 4 rounds to Trinidad. Also the 12th to De La Hoya.

That fight = Fix from hell.

I think De La Hoya made Trinidad look bad in that fight, he was on a whole different level of ability.

his advantage in power-punching was well distributed over rounds, as shown in the post that precedes yours

Hopkins dominated in terms of power-punching in 8 out of 12 rounds, including rounds 3,4, and 5.

I dont think stats prove anything, power punching is a part of what wins the round but there's other factors that get taken into consideration(i.e. ring generalship and aggression).

Nautilus...

stfu with your Hopkins was robbed, yes he was, but all your points are stupid and don't make sence...

A robbery is a fight where everyone knows the fighter lost..

Hopkins ran for the first half of the fight.

I dont think stats prove anything, power punching is a part of what wins the round but there's other factors that get taken into consideration(i.e. ring generalship and aggression).


I agree, but generalship and aggession are very subjective categories.

u cant ban germany cause u wont see any more Felix Sturm

robberries in germany at the world level are obvious .

but just check at the euro level . sometimes it s more than roberry , last euro welterweight championship fight i saw , a french dude beated michael trabant so bad he looked like elefant man , and the scores were 119-108 for the german . the french fighter even said that the german fighter came to apologize .

but as for banning , well no , just watch tyson-lewis , the biggest fight in recent history and a ****in biased referee in eddie cotton .
in front of the whole world . welcome to boxing

I agree, but generalship and aggession are very subjective categories.

That's your opinion! Were you at the fights?
What did Hopkins do to say WHOA! NO WAY IN HELL TAYLOR WON THAT FIGHT?!

Taylor threw punches and they looked like they landed so the judges gave Taylor the rounds...

Nautilus...

stfu with your Hopkins was robbed, yes he was, but all your points are stupid and don't make sence...

A robbery is a fight where everyone knows the fighter lost..

Hopkins ran for the first half of the fight.



hey, punk, if i knew this dumb, insulting post was coming, i would have never talked to you

you are not worth talking to

hey, punk, if i knew this dumb, insulting post was coming, i would have never talked to you

you are not worth talking to

Ok, I apologize, sorry about that...

but what I am saying is there is NO WAY you can compare Hopkins-Taylor to Reid-Ottke etc.

Ok, I apologize, sorry about that...

but what I am saying is there is NO WAY you can compare Hopkins-Taylor to Reid-Ottke etc.


OK


Yep, Hopkins-Taylor is controversial and is not a high-way robbery by any means. I agree on that.

Judging here in the states is so damn bad, that Stevie Johnston had to return the belt to JLC himself because Ken Morita failed his math class.

..............knock your man out and you don't have to worry about bad decisions

I agree, but generalship and aggession are very subjective categories.

So are power shots, when you see James Toney throw punches they dont look like power shots but they are. How can anyone other than the fighters know if they are power shots or not??

I just saw the Brewster Laquini(?) and it WAS hilarious. Every round went to the German even though he did't do **** at times. **** was RIDICULOUS. EVen the between round replays were funny. The German would get pounded by Brewster but they'll show a replay of the other guy landing a jab. It was as sickening as it was funny.

I guess we wern't watching the same fight then. KRASNIQUI in my opinion WAS winning most of the rounds, they were close rounds, but Krasniqui was winning MOST of them before the stoppage. It was a great fight. No foul play I saw. Dont denegrate what was a great fight with stupid politcal nonsense. I have not seen the Valuev fight, but there are robberies in counties not named Germany all the time. Blatanat ones.

Did you see Meehan Brewster?

..............knock your man out and you don't have to worry about bad decisions

You should have told Larry Donald that before his fight :rolleyes:

Did you see Meehan Brewster?


Ok, I agree with you...

Ban germany AND Don King.

Ok, I agree with you...

Ban germany AND Don King.

dont be an idiot. Mosely De La Hoya. Nope, Don King wasn't involved in that.

Chavez-Whitaker.

u cant ban germany cause u wont see any more Felix Sturm

Its not banning the sport there, no one other than the German government can do that, its stopping world title fights until the judging improves.

I think thats fair because the judging has been terrible.

I feel bad for Larry Donald. But everybody knows he really won the fight. He is promoted by Don King. If he keeps fighting well I am sure he find his way to a title shot. And who do you think Don wanted to win this fight. Valuev or Donald? I would opine that Ruiz vs Valuev is a more promotable bout that Ruiz Donald. And isn't Ruiz sueing King? Valuev might match up better against Ruiz, A man you would assume is on King's ****list.

dont be an idiot. Mosely De La Hoya. Nope, Don King wasn't involved in that.

STFU, you the idiot, I didn't disagree with you..

Go **** yourself you ugly *****, you look like a old ***** and that your boyfriend just cummed on your ugly ass face.

Either that, or you wearin a mask.

Go **** yourself you ugly *****,

.

I dont know if I can oblidge to that in a literal sense.

Deepest Apology, Chet