View Full Version : Shane Mosley Vs prenell Whitaker


MRBOOMER
06-11-2011, 03:59 PM
At light weight prime for prime

BigStereotype
06-11-2011, 04:09 PM
Shane rears back and loads up when he throws his punches and doesn't like a jab. He's fast enough to get away with the haymakers most of the time, but that's not good enough against Pernell Whitaker. Whitaker makes him miss badly all night and pops him with that jab. Not even really competitive.

IronDanHamza
06-11-2011, 04:19 PM
Whitaker UD.

120-108

Completely different class of fighter.

B.U.R.N.E.R
06-11-2011, 04:43 PM
Shane never stood a chance against a guy like Whitaker. Prime or not. He never fared well against elite guys who could box, move and jab effectively. I know Shane was past it but even a D class fighter like Sergio Mora gave him major trouble.

Shanes style is best suited for Brawlers like Margarito, Mayorga,Vargas, etc

The Surgeon
06-11-2011, 04:47 PM
Im a big Mosley fan and really big on him as a lightweight but Whittaker is all wrong for Shane, comftable win for Sweat Pea.

And i think it goes without saying its a distance job

IronDanHamza
06-11-2011, 05:03 PM
Im a big Mosley fan and really big on him as a lightweight but Whittaker is all wrong for Shane, comftable win for Sweat Pea.

And i think it goes without saying its a distance job

No question.

Shane has a great chin and if anyone is stopping him it's certainly not Whitaker.

But I genuinely don't see Shane winning a single round against Whitaker.

The Surgeon
06-11-2011, 05:13 PM
No question. Shane has a great chin and if anyone is stopping him it's certainly not Whitaker. But I genuinely don't see Shane winning a single round against Whitaker. Id give him a couple of Mercy rounds coz he's my boy! lol

Ur probably right tho, it certainly wouldnt be competitive

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 05:15 PM
Shane doesn't have a problem with guys who move he has a problem with big guys who move. Shane(along with Edwin Valero) is IMO the hardest puncher to ever grace the lightweight I think its a 50/50 fight with Shane winning by KO or Pernell getting a decision.

lightsout_finit
06-11-2011, 05:16 PM
Whitaker would outbox Mosley soundly.
Mosley gets gassed out at lightweight. A guy who makes you miss los tires you out twice as fast.

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 05:20 PM
Whitaker would outbox Mosley soundly.
Mosley gets gassed out at lightweight. A guy who makes you miss los tires you out twice as fast.


LOL one of trademarks of a prime Mosley was that he NEVER gassed.

New England
06-11-2011, 05:27 PM
Shane doesn't have a problem with guys who move he has a problem with big guys who move. Shane(along with Edwin Valero) is IMO the hardest puncher to ever grace the lightweight I think its a 50/50 fight with Shane winning by KO or Pernell getting a decision.



the same edwin valero who hit antonio demarco with his best punches for 9 rounds?

the same edwin valero who only fought 60 rounds as a pro, and nobody better than demarco?

you're making an assessment of all time great talent based on that?

you 've got to be joking

i was big on valero
i thought he was a very underrated ring technician. in the amateurs he had a reputation as a classic make you miss type boxer.
his power was honestly not that special at LW


oscar de la hoya was a much better puncher at LW than either man
you can ask common de la hoya - mosley opponents
or just see it, because it's blatantly obvious.


jesse james leija fought both men
and he said the difference between the two is that oscar punches like a heavyweight


but of course you make it a habit of being wrong as humanly possible

so congrats on parring the course lol!





whitaker in a drubbing
shane's durable enough to make a stoppage virtually impossible
but he's not banking many rounds, if any.

The Surgeon
06-11-2011, 05:33 PM
Mosley gets gassed out at lightweight.

Disagree. Mosley had an excellent engine back then

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 05:37 PM
the same edwin valero who hit antonio demarco with his best punches for 9 rounds?

the same edwin valero who only fought 60 rounds as a pro, and nobody better than demarco?

you're making an assessment of all time great talent based on that?

you 've got to be joking

i was big on valero
i thought he was a very underrated ring technician. in the amateurs he had a reputation as a classic make you miss type boxer.
his power was honestly not that special at LW

but of course you make it a habit of being wrong as humanly possible

so congrats on parring the course lol!


ummm Valero stopped Demarco. Also WTF makes you think those were his best shots did you not notice the gigantic cut Valero had that was clearly bothering him.

Valero knocked out Antonio Pitlua in 2 rounds Pitlua was known for having a rock solid chin, he reportedly hadn't been knocked down in over a decade

Oh and Vincente Mosquera was by far the best fighter who Valero faced not Demarco

New England
06-11-2011, 05:48 PM
ummm Valero stopped Demarco. Also WTF makes you think those were his best shots did you not notice the gigantic cut Valero had that was clearly bothering him.

Valero knocked out Antonio Pitlua in 2 rounds Pitlua was known for having a rock solid chin, he reportedly hadn't been knocked down in over a decade

Oh and Vincente Mosquera was by far the best fighter who Valero faced not Demarco


if i remember correctly he never even took him off his feet. i don't want to re-watch each round, but i'm about 97% certain he couldn't even drop him.

the corner had to retire him, i'm certain of that. and it took nine rounds


the point is that valero was banging on demarco's face and chest for nine rounds and didn't even break him down until the second half of the fight

i never said they went the distance
i said that he ate valero's best punches for 9 rounds


the best puncher ever at LW lol.


that cut wasn't bleeding into his eye, certainly not to the point where it would effect his ability to dish out his "ATG" power on friggin antonio demarco.


nowhere near ATG power, dude
listen to your support
pitalua?
mosquera?


are you even serious?


ATG punching power?
the best ever at LW? LW is one of the deepest divisions in the history of the sport


valero went less than 20 rounds at the full LW limit.
pitalua was in his late 30's
mosquera fought as low as 120 lbs and made a career at or around FW, and was never a factor above 130.


you're calling that the best ever?


im sorry to belabor the point
but i literally laughed out loud when i heard you believe valero is the ATG power puncher at LW
then puked up a bit of bile into my mouth

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 06:16 PM
if i remember correctly he never even took him off his feet. i don't want to re-watch each round, but i'm about 97% certain he couldn't even drop him.

the corner had to retire him, i'm certain of that. and it took nine rounds


the point is that valero was banging on demarco's face and chest for nine rounds and didn't even break him down until the second half of the fight

i never said they went the distance
i said that he ate valero's best punches for 9 rounds


the best puncher ever at LW lol.


that cut wasn't bleeding into his eye, certainly not to the point where it would effect his ability to dish out his "ATG" power on friggin antonio demarco.


nowhere near ATG power, dude
listen to your support
pitalua?
mosquera?


are you even serious?


ATG punching power?
the best ever at LW? LW is one of the deepest divisions in the history of the sport


valero went less than 20 rounds at the full LW limit.
pitalua was in his late 30's
mosquera fought as low as 120 lbs and made a career at or around FW, and was never a factor above 130.


you're calling that the best ever?


im sorry to belabor the point
but i literally laughed out loud when i heard you believe valero is the ATG power puncher at LW
then puked up a bit of bile into my mouth


LOL so stopping a guy in 9 rounds means you can't be all time great puncher?

LOL that feather fisted bum George Foreman went 10 rounds with Levi Forte

How about that turd with pillows on his hand Thomas Hearns I mean he went 10 rounds with Mike Colbert.

Steward
06-11-2011, 06:18 PM
No contest ruling by the board.

Shane for steriods and Pernell for coke.

.... apologies, Poor joke.

But i'd give it to Pernell.

This is however a fight between two of the top ten best lightweights ever and i wouldn't be surprised if it was close, mosley maybe scoring a knockdown with one of those quick rights ala Roger Mayweather managed to if Pernell uncharacteristically got lazy. Jab is obviously crucial in this fight.

phallus
06-11-2011, 06:45 PM
mosley wouldn't even hit whitaker once in the entire fight, prime whitaker has the skills to make mosley look like a retard. easy UD win for pernell

IronDanHamza
06-11-2011, 06:51 PM
No contest ruling by the board.

Shane for steriods and Pernell for coke.

.... apologies, Poor joke.

But i'd give it to Pernell.

This is however a fight between two of the top ten best lightweights ever and i wouldn't be surprised if it was close, mosley maybe scoring a knockdown with one of those quick rights ala Roger Mayweather managed to if Pernell uncharacteristically got lazy. Jab is obviously crucial in this fight.

Shane Mosley isn't even close to the Top 30 Lightweights ever.

No way on this planet is he anywhere near the Top 10.

young_robbed
06-11-2011, 06:52 PM
Pernell wins hands down

New England
06-11-2011, 06:52 PM
LOL so stopping a guy in 9 rounds means you can't be all time great puncher?

LOL that feather fisted bum George Foreman went 10 rounds with Levi Forte

How about that turd with pillows on his hand Thomas Hearns I mean he went 10 rounds with Mike Colbert.



if that's all they had going for their historic punching resume's

then yes, they wouldn't be great punchers

if that's all their ledgers contained there would be many men who had done much more in terms of punching at their respective weights who would be considered greater

but then you go through their records
and actually watch them fight
and see that it's not the case




lets switch gears, here
why do you think valero should be so highly regarded in historic terms as a LW puncher?

what has he done?

knocked out urbano antillon in the gym?
beat erik morales up in the gym?
stopped a bunch of guys in round 1?

so did shannon the cannon
and tyrone brunson



what do you base your ranking of valero on, sctrojansbaby?
o where o where did his legendary LW punching reputation come from?
the guy only fought 70 rounds as a pro
and less than 20 were at the full LW limit...

you're calling him the GOAT puncher at LW based on this body of work?

or are you saying:
"the power i saw when valero punched is greater than any LW i've seen with my eyes."

both are bogus assortments in my eyes
absolutely bogus

think about the tenure of the LW division
it;s been around as long as men have been boxing



why are you so unwilling to learn is what i really want to know
you don't listen to anybody but your own wild self
and you're almost always flat out wrong

IronDanHamza
06-11-2011, 06:57 PM
Edwin Valero the hardest puncher at LW of all time?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I have decided that you are on a wind up.

You genuinely cannot be serious.

New England
06-11-2011, 06:59 PM
Edwin Valero the hardest puncher at LW of all time?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I have decided that you are on a wind up.

You genuinely cannot be serious.


that's seriously what i'm thinking

he's so consistently wrong he could make money betting on fighters he thinks are going to lose.

he'd retire young and drive a jaguar




and i was huge on valero, too
i thought he had the stuff

but it didn't have much if anything to do with pure punching power.

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 07:00 PM
if that's all they had going for their historic punching resume's

then yes, they wouldn't be great punchers

if that's all their ledgers contained there would be many men who had done much more in terms of punching at their respective weights who would be considered greater

but then you go through their records
and actually watch them fight
and see that it's not the case




lets switch gears, here
why do you think valero should be so highly regarded in historic terms as a LW puncher?

what has he done?

knocked out urbano antillon in the gym?
beat erik morales in the gym?
stop a bunch of guys in round 1?

so did shannon the cannon
and tyrone brunson



what do you base your ranking of valero on, sctrojansbaby?
o where o where did his legendary LW punching reputation come from?
the guy only fought 70 rounds as a pro
and less than 20 were at the full LW limit...

you're calling him the GOAT puncher at LW based on this body of work?

or are you saying:
"the power i saw when valero punched is greater than any LW i've seen with my eyes."

both are bogus assortments in my eyes
absolutely bogus

think about the tenure of the LW division
it;s been around as long as men have been boxing



why are you so unwilling to learn is what i really want to know
you don't listen to anybody but your own wild self
and you're almost always flat out wrong


LOL so if Hearns had stopped boxing after beating Mike Colbert he wouldn't have been a great puncher? Did he all of a sudden start punching hard when he fought Pipino Cueves?

Watch the fights look at the results and its obvious Valero's power THAT great.

New England
06-11-2011, 07:12 PM
LOL so if Hearns had stopped boxing after beating Mike Colbert he wouldn't have been a great puncher? Did he all of a sudden start punching hard when he fought Pipino Cueves?[I][B]

Watch the fights look at the results and its obvious Valero's power THAT great.



that's not at all what i'm saying


i'm saying that valero did next to nothing at LW
next to nothing
not nearly enough to even begin to carve out that sort of reputation

to be considered the best puncher of all time at LW you have to ... you know... do something at LW.


and i couldn't disagree more about valero's punching power. especially at LW. scrap the resume for this point. i'm talking about watching the guy and the damage he's able to do to the man he's fighting
he was not the best puncher of all time at LW
not even close. just look at his fight with demarco, which, like it or not, was his biggest fight at LW and his hardest fight.
if he's the GOAT puncher at LW demarco has a superhuman chin (which he does not)
valero landed big punches on him all night, and the effect didn't really start to show up until demarco started to double over a bit in his corner between some of the rounds late in the fight

i don't need you to tell me to watch fights of valero's
like i said, he was a guy i was very high on the guy. i thought he had the goods because he was a subtle boxer. like many other people in the boxing world i thought his power was well overrated. you take it to a new level, though

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 07:40 PM
not even close. just look at his fight with demarco, which, like it or not, was his biggest fight at LW and his hardest fight.
if he's the GOAT puncher at LW demarco has a superhuman chin (which he does not)

LOL yeah and Valero stopped him what more can you ask for?

And again Valero had a HUGE cut on his forehead which clearly slowed him down some

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 07:48 PM
LOL yeah and Valero stopped him what more can you ask for?

And again Valero had a HUGE cut on his forehead which clearly slowed him down some

If Valero is the greatest puncher ever at 135, than LaMar Clark, at 43-3 (42) is the greatest heavyweight puncher ever. I mean since level of opposition doesn't matter this only stands to reason, right?

B.U.R.N.E.R
06-11-2011, 08:10 PM
Jab to be fair. I dont think that just because Valeo KO'd bums means that they all had glass beards. I think the kid genuinely could crack.....

With that said......

Umm yeah. Saying valero is the hardest hitter at arguably boxings deepest division is just silly.

talip bin osman
06-11-2011, 08:12 PM
At light weight prime for prime

shane will be eating a steady dose of jab all night long man... and pea had an excellent jab that is very very accurate...

i know itvwasnt at 135 but if you watch his bouts with winky and vernon, shane was very prone to this type of punch...

pea wont KO him but i feel it will be a very convincing UD for him over shane...

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 08:20 PM
Jab to be fair. I dont think that just because Valeo KO'd bums means that they all had glass beards. I think the kid genuinely could crack.....

With that said......

Umm yeah. Saying valero is the hardest hitter at arguably boxings deepest division is just silly.

Im not saying he couldn't hit, he obviously could. But he was a guy who was carefully brought up and matched, and never against anyone truly threatening. Anyone can ko a guy who can't fight back, but Valero never proved he was the huge puncher some would have us believe by fighting guys who weren't a level below him, but in an even level and higher.

talip bin osman
06-11-2011, 08:34 PM
Im not saying he couldn't hit, he obviously could. But he was a guy who was carefully brought up and matched, and never against anyone truly threatening. Anyone can ko a guy who can't fight back, but Valero never proved he was the huge puncher some would have us believe by fighting guys who weren't a level below him, but in an even level and higher.

he was slowly getting there until the tragic sequences of his life began rolling... the potential fight with jorge barrios would have been great, maybe a scuffle with katsidis would rival gatti-ward...

anyway i think he was the john mugabi of this era...:)

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 08:41 PM
If Valero is the greatest puncher ever at 135, than LaMar Clark, at 43-3 (42) is the greatest heavyweight puncher ever. I mean since level of opposition doesn't matter this only stands to reason, right?


LOL Valero's last 8 fights were title fights. Demarco and Pitlua were both good C+ kind of fighters. Velazquez was a tough veteran and I would argue Mosquera was at least a B level fighter its not Valero's fault that he beat him in to retirement.

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 09:03 PM
LOL Valero's last 8 fights were title fights. Demarco and Pitlua were both good C+ kind of fighters. Velazquez was a tough veteran and I would argue Mosquera was at least a B level fighter its not Valero's fault that he beat him in to retirement.

You're kidding, right? Valero's resume is a joke if you want to compare him to great lightweight punchers like Duran, Ike Williams, Joe Gans, , Lew Jenkins, Jack Blackburn, Battling Nelson and others who not only knocked out the same kind of stiffs as Valero, but true world class competition as well. Lol, at Valero's title fights. Face the facts, Valero never fought a true threat at 130 or 135, he is one of the most overrated fighters of the last 20 years.

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 09:14 PM
You're kidding, right? Valero's resume is a joke if you want to compare him to great lightweight punchers like Duran, Ike Williams, Joe Gans, , Lew Jenkins, Jack Blackburn, Battling Nelson and others who not only knocked out the same kind of stiffs as Valero, but true world class competition as well. Lol, at Valero's title fights. Face the facts, Valero never fought a true threat at 130 or 135, he is one of the most overrated fighters of the last 20 years.


LOL no one said his resume was as good as theirs but you compared him to LaMar Clark which is phuking dumb.

As i said Vincete Mosquera was clearly a threat and a very good young fighter not Valero's fault he beat him in to retirement.

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 09:28 PM
LOL no one said his resume was as good as theirs but you compared him to LaMar Clark which is phuking dumb.

As i said Vincete Mosquera was clearly a threat and a very good young fighter not Valero's fault he beat him in to retirement.

Lol, you're giving me one guy who got his title out of a cereal box and wouldn't even be a fringe contender in an era of 1 champion per division to try and justify how hard Valero hit in comparison to fighters who ko'd real and tough competition? :lol1:

SCtrojansbaby
06-11-2011, 09:39 PM
Lol, you're giving me one guy who got his title out of a cereal box and wouldn't even be a fringe contender in an era of 1 champion per division to try and justify how hard Valero hit in comparison to fighters who ko'd real and tough competition? :lol1:


What are you talking about? Mosquera didn't win a vacant title

If you can't see that Mosquera was very good young fighter then there is no point in continuing this.

New England
06-11-2011, 09:44 PM
LOL Valero's last 8 fights were title fights. Demarco and Pitlua were both good C+ kind of fighters. Velazquez was a tough veteran and I would argue Mosquera was at least a B level fighter its not Valero's fault that he beat him in to retirement.




well since you put it that way


valero is the greatest puncher not only at LW, but ever at any weight
he could knock out a rhino

/ thread



thank you for showing us the light

any craic lad?
06-11-2011, 10:58 PM
that's not at all what i'm saying


i'm saying that valero did next to nothing at LW
next to nothing
not nearly enough to even begin to carve out that sort of reputation

to be considered the best puncher of all time at LW you have to ... you know... do something at LW.


and i couldn't disagree more about valero's punching power. especially at LW. scrap the resume for this point. i'm talking about watching the guy and the damage he's able to do to the man he's fighting
he was not the best puncher of all time at LW
not even close. just look at his fight with demarco, which, like it or not, was his biggest fight at LW and his hardest fight.
if he's the GOAT puncher at LW demarco has a superhuman chin (which he does not)
valero landed big punches on him all night, and the effect didn't really start to show up until demarco started to double over a bit in his corner between some of the rounds late in the fight

i don't need you to tell me to watch fights of valero's
like i said, he was a guy i was very high on the guy. i thought he had the goods because he was a subtle boxer. like many other people in the boxing world i thought his power was well overrated. you take it to a new level, though

Sorry SC this is why im a fan of EV also maybe he might have proven himself to be one of the greatest punchers of all time but with his opposition it cant be argued (though i agree that Mosquera was his best win he won the title in US against a very good Thai and Valero fought him in Panama in front of a very hostile crowd).To me he had all the skills to be a great boxer/puncher nice handspeed,foot movement,very good in the combinations and a winners mentality but he had bad habits breathing through his mouth and leaving his hands awfully low.Hes a the great what if?Sadly

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 11:11 PM
What are you talking about? Mosquera didn't win a vacant title

If you can't see that Mosquera was very good young fighter then there is no point in continuing this.

Looking good against other prospects and fringe contenders doesn't make you a worthy name to be mentioned amongst great fighters who have been ko'd by PROVEN punchers against top comp. Sorry man, but you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.

Ziggy Stardust
06-12-2011, 02:01 AM
well since you put it that way


valero is the greatest puncher not only at LW, but ever at any weight
he could knock out a rhino

/ thread



thank you for showing us the light

I'd green K you for the priceless sarcasm alone but I got to spread it around some more :chuckle9:

PS. NOW it let me send it to you :chuckle9:

Poet