View Full Version : Liles and Collins "ducked" Roy Jones


Pastrano
06-10-2011, 07:03 PM
What a pile of rubbish. But HBO had to believe their wonderboy was the one that was being ducked, not the other way around.:nonono:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAP2JdvnDkY&feature=related

musiol
06-10-2011, 07:12 PM
jones kicks the **** out both collins was tough but his skills sukd he would of got batterd silly

Pastrano
06-10-2011, 07:30 PM
jones kicks the **** out both collins was tough but his skills sukd he would of got batterd silly

Doesnt matter dude, we are talking about who ducked who. Its a fact that Collins had started calling out Jones ever since he won the title from Eubank in '95. Jones never offered him a fight as far as I know. Same with Liles. Yea, Jones would probably beat them both, but why did he decline fighting them?

Daddy T
06-10-2011, 08:05 PM
Doesnt matter dude, we are talking about who ducked who. Its a fact that Collins had started calling out Jones ever since he won the title from Eubank in '95. Jones never offered him a fight as far as I know. Same with Liles. Yea, Jones would probably beat them both, but why did he decline fighting them?

exactly roy beats em all but certainly in collins's case jones ducked him no doubt about it ... collins was crying out for the fight and doing everything he could to get it. Jones simply didn't want it. Why? probably cause it would be a harder nights work than beating up on some contender.

I bet if Jones could go back in time he'd do more to make the collins and also Darius fights happen and maybe even the hopkins rematch. Conclusive wins there which he surely would have got (in the first two and probably in the third) would have gone a long way to confirming him as the best of the modern era - as it is its harder to make that argument. He may have been top dog at both super middle and light heavy but he did not clean out the divisions as he should and could have.

Boxing Bob
06-10-2011, 08:58 PM
yeah, Jones was a coward, if his mind were straight Haugen handles Sweet Pea, Hagler trembled when someone mentioned Mike McCallum, Sumbu Kalambay was an ATG, and Donald Curry & Marlon Starling are HOF fighters. Tell em Pastrano

Ziggy Stardust
06-10-2011, 10:54 PM
Collins is another fighter Pastrano gives bonus points for his pigmentation :rolleyes9:

Poet

Perfect Plex
06-10-2011, 11:08 PM
Why would Roy Jones need to duck Steve Collins? Jones would of destroyed him. He fought way better fighters in the likes of Toney, Reggie Johnson, Hopkins, Hill, Griffin anyway

JAB5239
06-11-2011, 05:40 AM
Why would Roy Jones need to duck Steve Collins? Jones would of destroyed him. He fought way better fighters in the likes of Toney, Reggie Johnson, Hopkins, Hill, Griffin anyway

I think Jones would have beaten Collins, but it was a fight worth making and one that he deserved in my opinion.

Toney616
06-11-2011, 07:06 AM
What a pile of rubbish. But HBO had to believe their wonderboy was the one that was being ducked, not the other way around.:nonono:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAP2JdvnDkY&feature=related
Jones admitted that he was in talks with Liles at the ibhof after the Eric Lucas fight. I think it fell through because Liles did not like the purse split.

As for Collins, I cant see how he could of had a remote chance. The fact that he had a belt which was practically worthless didn't help much either

BattlingNelson
06-11-2011, 10:34 AM
It is hardly news that a lot of deserving fighters are missing from Jones' resumé. Collins is just one of many.

Toney616
06-11-2011, 11:06 AM
It is hardly news that a lot of deserving fighters are missing from Jones' resumé. Collins is just one of many.
I can't see how Collins would of stood a chance. Liles and Nunn at smw would of been interesting. They really should of interviewed Liles and Collins, so they could tell their side

BattlingNelson
06-11-2011, 12:16 PM
I can't see how Collins would of stood a chance. Liles and Nunn at smw would of been interesting. They really should of interviewed Liles and Collins, so they could tell their side
I don't think there's a fight (outside heavyweight) where Jones wouldn't have been favoured to win. This just doesn't alter the fact that many names are missing on his record and that is what hinders him from being mentioned as one of the top ATG's. He certainly had the skills.

Pastrano
06-12-2011, 03:58 PM
Collins brought constant pressure and was not a bad boxer, technician either. He gave even McCallum a tough fight, McCallum was at his peak and Steve was quite young, 25-26. I think he hadn't yet reached his peak or maturity as boxer. And still he managed to give Bodysnatcher a relatively close fight. How? With constant pressure. Nobody likes constant pressure, if somebody claims he does he's talking bs. That somebody deals with it better than others is a different story. But nobody deals with it better than with a style that has less pressure.

Boxing Bob
06-12-2011, 09:18 PM
And after Jones watched tapes of this unrelenting pressure Collins was bringing, Roy couldn't stop trembling. After weeks of not sleeping caused by the sheer terror at the thought of fighting Collins, Roy phoned Seth Abraham (HBO's big dog) and begged him not to pair him with Collins. After careful thought (he knew of Collins pressure also),Seth relented and let Roy off the hook by having him face the much easier James Toney. As dumb as this sounds the thought that Jones ducked Liles is even more stupid!

Daddy T
06-13-2011, 09:26 AM
And after Jones watched tapes of this unrelenting pressure Collins was bringing, Roy couldn't stop trembling. After weeks of not sleeping caused by the sheer terror at the thought of fighting Collins, Roy phoned Seth Abraham (HBO's big dog) and begged him not to pair him with Collins. After careful thought (he knew of Collins pressure also),Seth relented and let Roy off the hook by having him face the much easier James Toney. As dumb as this sounds the thought that Jones ducked Liles is even more stupid!

i don't think ur too up on the timeframes mate - the toney fight was 3 or 4 years before people seriously started calling for jones v collins at super middle - if you think a win over collins wouldn't have improved jones's resume i don't have much else to say to you ... he should have brought the pain to at least one of Benn/Eubank/Collins trio - i don't think anybody here is seriously saying they think he would have lost any of these fights but nobody with sense is claiming that wins over any one of these guys wouldn't have improved his cv

Boxing Bob
06-13-2011, 05:57 PM
Stone, who were these people who were seriously calling for a Jones/Collins match up? The Brits? Pastrano? The thread stated that Roy ducked Collins and Liles, which anyone with any boxing sense (that excludes you Pastrano) knows is just plain silly. That version of Jones could probably whip them both at the same time. My grind here is with Pastrano who seems to want to make people believe that Pernell Whitaker, Marvin Hagler, and Roy Jones were not really great fighter but media creations and that they ducked serious competition. When called on his bull*****, he responds with crude comments not facts or even good humored remarks (like mine).

Boxing Bob
06-13-2011, 06:13 PM
Stone, the next thing Patrano will suggest is that your hero and mine (Duran), moved up from lightweight to duck Jim Watt

forget
06-13-2011, 06:21 PM
With Liles you can blame Don King because King did not want to lose a champion. And with Collins after Reggie Johnson and McCallum, he was better going after the lesser wbo belt. Either way both these guys would have been dominated by Jones Jr. badly.

Toney616
06-14-2011, 12:12 PM
With Liles you can blame Don King because King did not want to lose a champion..
King wanted to make the fight. Through out the early 90's he tried to unify the belts.

And with Collins after Reggie Johnson and McCallum, he was better going after the lesser wbo belt. .
He had the wbo belt and wanted to unify with Jones

Either way both these guys would have been dominated by Jones Jr. badly.
Liles would of given Jones a hard time. Lampley said himself that Jones back then didnt want to fight any southpaws. Which is why he avoided Nunn

Pastrano
06-14-2011, 01:08 PM
King wanted to make the fight. Through out the early 90's he tried to unify the belts.

He had the wbo belt and wanted to unify with Jones

Liles would of given Jones a hard time. Lampley said himself that Jones back then didnt want to fight any southpaws. Which is why he avoided Nunn

Sooo, Roy got a southpaw scare too? Weelll...looks like both greatest American fighters have it. Floyd and Roy. Americans are such wimps...

SCtrojansbaby
06-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Sooo, Roy got a southpaw scare too? Weelll...looks like both greatest American fighters have it. Floyd and Roy. Americans are such wimps...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

from 1998-2001 7 out of Roy's 8 opponents were southpaws

Pastrano
06-14-2011, 01:38 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

from 1998-2001 7 out of Roy's 8 opponents were southpaws

Name them. How many of them were first class?

Control-
06-14-2011, 03:42 PM
I don't agree with the 'why would he duck them when he would easily beat them?' stuff. That's a silly way of looking at any situation.

However, John Scully is a friend of both Collins and Jones and says that Collins was offered the fight but wanted more money. He has an account here so people can always PM him for more details if they're really interested.

Toney616
06-16-2011, 08:36 AM
Name them. How many of them were first class?
John Scully
If Jones had ducked anybody at 168 pounds it was Frank
Liles. Fabulous Frank was a huge super middleweight
with solid wins over a still useful Merqui Sosa, an
underrated Michael Nunn, and had avenged his only defeat
with an electrifying knockout over Tim Littles. If
Jones had wanted to avoid anybody at 168 pounds during
his tenure as IBF champ it would have been Liles, not
Calzaghe.
Trainer and former world title challenger John Scully
commented, ” If there was anyone in the game who I think
Roy maybe wasn't in so much of a big hurry to fight,
from what I have gathered over time, it would be Frankie
Liles and Michael Nunn. They were tall southpaws with
good range and difficult styles. Roy knew Frankie very
well from the amateurs and, as a matter of fact, Frankie
was the only guy who I ever saw give Roy a standing
eight count (at the 1988 U.S. Championships). Roy would
have fought him, I believe, but he wouldn't have been
first on his list.”
http://www.boxingscene.com/reality-check-roy-jones-never-ducked-joe-calzaghe--15286

IMDAZED
06-16-2011, 10:24 AM
Collins is another fighter Pastrano gives bonus points for his pigmentation :rolleyes9:

Poet

:lol1: :lol1:

I was about to 'x' out of this thread thoroughly disgusted when I saw this response.

Pastrano
06-21-2011, 03:47 PM
Take a look at this, Collins is there in the ring with Jones and is challenging him, calling him out but Jones pretends he doesn't see him and goes on with his narcissistic tirade. Man, the guy was such a prick sometimes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Erh4RKbHE&feature=player_embedded