View Full Version : Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano


DarkTerror88
06-07-2011, 07:37 AM
15 Rounds at HW
Advantage in....
Power: Rock
Speed: Joe
Stamina: Equal?
Combinations: ???
Defense(blocking and head movement):???

Someone please help me decide for the ones with ??? In them.

barfly12
06-07-2011, 07:44 AM
Frazier had a better left hook, tougher skin, and was faster. Marciano had a better right, better stamina, and never lost his power as the fight wore on. Very close, but Ali picked Marciano on this one, and I would too. Frazier was very open for the right, and that was Rocky's bread and butter. Bonavena put Frazier down twice with it in their first first. Both men had good chins with the edge slightly to Marciano. Marciano was a bit of a slow starter, but once he reached round three, look out. Joe was a very fast starter.

The Smash
06-07-2011, 09:00 AM
I think Joe would climb off the ground to win a decision. In saying that though, I wouldn't be at all concerned with who won. I'd just be sitting there, Corona in one hand Cohiba in the other, with a gigantic smile on my face.

Barn
06-07-2011, 10:30 AM
Joe wasn't a fast starter he always lost the first round.

Frazier decision. Both men have great intangibles and excellent physical attributes. Frazier excells more in the skills department and bobs and weaves his way to a close decions victory.

Barn
06-07-2011, 10:31 AM
Frazier has much better defense than Marciano in my opinion.

Southpaw Stinger
06-07-2011, 10:41 AM
They probably wouldn't be in the best of health afterwards.

Like me after I ate 3 chicken vinadloos in one night. And the beer... my god the beer!

BigStereotype
06-07-2011, 10:44 AM
This quickly turns into a punch-for-punch slugfest. I trust Marciano's chin a lot more than Frazier's. Marciano KO 8.

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 11:18 AM
They probably wouldn't be in the best of health afterwards.

Like me after I ate 3 chicken vinadloos in one night. And the beer... my god the beer!

One of the science channels did a virtual autopsy of Henry VIII.....I didn't eat for a week afterwards :puke:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 11:26 AM
Joe wasn't a fast starter he always lost the first round.

I was gonna say! Since when is Frazier a "fast starter" :chuckle9:

Poet

Southpaw Stinger
06-07-2011, 12:04 PM
One of the science channels did a virtual autopsy of Henry VIII.....I didn't eat for a week afterwards :puke:

Poet

Bet he kept Anne Boleyn's head for a week afterwards.

I would.

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Bet he kept Anne Boleyn's head for a week afterwards.

I would.

It was probably the only head he ever got from her :geek9:

Poet

studentofthegam
06-07-2011, 02:56 PM
Its funny I havent played this one out in my head. I'd strangely enough go with Marciano. He could hit a ton and could take a good one too. I think in a 7 or eight round war that Rocky gets Joe out by Ref stoppage but not without visiting a doctor right after. Bloody and hard to watch at times but definitely Marciano in the mid to late rounds.

The Surgeon
06-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Ooooh Nice fight! Tough call too, i dont think there is much in it but we would have a GREAT GREAT Fight / War on our hands gentlemen!


If pushed id go for Frazier late but who the hell knows its just a great fight

them_apples
06-07-2011, 03:34 PM
15 Rounds at HW
Advantage in....
Power: Rock
Speed: Joe
Stamina: Equal?
Combinations: ???
Defense(blocking and head movement):???

Someone please help me decide for the ones with ??? In them.

frazier has more power, more speed. Stamina goes to rocky. combinations, rocky I suppose. defense, Frazier.

winner = Frazier.

Cardinalfang
06-07-2011, 03:36 PM
I see Joe winning this one. His quality of opp is much better, He's stronger and like Rocky but a size larger. Someone said Joe has a better defence tho and I don't buy that. rocky had a good defence and better than joe's.

I still see an early war with rocky being dropped in the first round and giving joe trouble but the fight being stopped after about 8 with rocky's nose hanging off. I don't think he fought anyone as powerful as Frazier. Both great fighters but for me joe has the edge here.

Terry A
06-07-2011, 04:06 PM
Frazier had a better left hook, tougher skin, and was faster. Marciano had a better right, better stamina, and never lost his power as the fight wore on. Very close, but Ali picked Marciano on this one, and I would too. Frazier was very open for the right, and that was Rocky's bread and butter. Bonavena put Frazier down twice with it in their first first. Both men had good chins with the edge slightly to Marciano. Marciano was a bit of a slow starter, but once he reached round three, look out. Joe was a very fast starter.

Nice post. But I'll counter Bonavena putting Joe down with Archie dropping the Rock. And of the two (Bonavena in his prime vs a very old Moore), I'd bet high that Bonavena whacked harder at that time in their respective careers.

I'll take Frazier by late TKO (Ref or Rocky's cornermen call it off). Frazier would apply more pressure to Marciano then anyone else the Rock ever fought.
That's the key right there. Most everybody that Marciano fought tried to outbox him. And he never faced someone who would apply the kind of heat that Frazier would apply to him.

This one has "slobber-knocker" written all over it. A really great, action packed fight with loads of "bombs away!" punches & probably a pint or so of blood. Maybe a tooth also. But it would have been a real war.

Wild Blue Yonda
06-07-2011, 07:27 PM
What a classic this would turn out to be. They could split a series evenly, no doubt. Frazier swelled where Marciano cut. Marciano bombed with the right, where Frazier swept with the left. Both started cold, finished hot, & gave everything in-between.

My best guess, & it is indeed no more than that, is that Marciano is a little more likely to floor Frazier than vice-versa, & perhaps a knockdown, whether Frazier is hurt or not, makes the difference on the cards. Something like 7-7-1, but a 10-8 round for Marciano somewhere seals a heart-breaker for Frazier. There would be a mild chance someones' skin doesn't hold up, but I see a distance fight more often than not.

gattiwarrior
06-12-2011, 12:06 AM
1st post on boxingscene and its on 2 of my fav fighters

i think joe wins a decision because he is the all round better fighter , both will probably hit the canvas but joes's immense workrate sees him through in this one...9-6 in rounds

i dont think marciano ever fought a guy who could fight like frazier

tough tough fight but a classic

-JUGGERNAUT-
06-12-2011, 12:45 AM
frazier has more power, more speed. Stamina goes to rocky. combinations, rocky I suppose. defense, Frazier.

winner = Frazier.
Frazier has more power? In what universe do you live in?

Marciano would drop Frazier multiple times and take this bout within 3 rounds, max. We need to remember that Frazier's chin looked terrible everytime he encountered a dynamite puncher and Marciano is among the biggest bangers in history.

Ziggy Stardust
06-12-2011, 01:18 AM
Frazier has more power? In what universe do you live in?

Marciano would drop Frazier multiple times and take this bout within 3 rounds, max. We need to remember that Frazier's chin looked terrible everytime he encountered a dynamite puncher and Marciano is among the biggest bangers in history.

Well Wlad Ownz, we all know what you REALLY mean is that in your eyes Frazier has the wrong pigmentation to win :jerk0ff9:

Poet

-JUGGERNAUT-
06-12-2011, 01:52 AM
Well Wlad Ownz, we all know what you REALLY mean is that in your eyes Frazier has the wrong pigmentation to win :jerk0ff9:

Poet
Wrong!

Frazier could be as white as your pasty ass and I would still pick Marciano.

Stop being a coward and debate the facts.

Barn
06-12-2011, 06:56 AM
Frazier has more power? In what universe do you live in?

Marciano would drop Frazier multiple times and take this bout within 3 rounds, max. We need to remember that Frazier's chin looked terrible everytime he encountered a dynamite puncher and Marciano is among the biggest bangers in history.
Who Foreman?

Styles make fights and Frazier while trying to get inside to Formean was bobbing and weaving Foreman had arguably the best power in Heavyweight history and it certainly doesn't help your case when your head is moving into the punch.

Styles my friend. Besides I hate when some people jump on the power bandwagon.

Power + Average Chin = KO for power.

That's not how it works.

-JUGGERNAUT-
06-12-2011, 07:04 AM
Who Foreman?

Styles make fights and Frazier while trying to get inside to Formean was bobbing and weaving Foreman had arguably the best power in Heavyweight history and it certainly doesn't help your case when your head is moving into the punch.


So what? What if Frazier bobs and weaves into Marciano's bombs? You make absolutely no sense with this post.


Styles my friend. Besides I hate when some people jump on the power bandwagon.


And? Marciano doesn't have the style to KO Frazier? How? Because he bobs and weaves? LOL. How about expounding a little and stop stating obvious facts which don't support your stance.

Power + Average Chin = KO for power.

That's not how it works.



What? :lol1: What exactly is your point, if you have any?

Marciano has the power to flatten Frazier with a single shot.

Barn
06-12-2011, 07:24 AM
So what? What if Frazier bobs and weaves into Marciano's bombs? You make absolutely no sense with this post.

Foreman had big looping punches which caught Frazier when he was coming in, Marciano had more compact punches which would have much less effect on Frazier.
And? Marciano doesn't have the style to KO Frazier? How? Because he bobs and weaves? LOL. How about expounding a little and stop stating obvious facts which don't support your stance.

No what I'm saying is, using what I'm saying above, that's the reason Frazier was destroyed so brutally by Foreman. Of course Marciano can KO Frazier I'm not ruling out that but, you've jumped to conlusions by simply stating. Frazier got destroyed by Foreman who was a good puncher therefore using formulas.
Frazier + Good Puncher = Frazier gets KO'd

That doesn't always happen, Marciano has arguably the greatest power in HW histroy but, that didn't allow him to automatically stop fighters like Roland La Starza(I) and Charles(II). As it goes deeper than that.


What? :lol1: What exactly is your point, if you have any?

My point is you can't just blidnly state as I've said above.
Frazier + Great Puncher = Frazier gets KO'd.
Marciano has the power to flatten Frazier with a single shot.

I know that, doesn't mean it will happen.
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-JUGGERNAUT-
06-12-2011, 07:43 AM
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Foreman had big looping punches which caught Frazier when he was coming in,


So? there are more ways to drop Frazier than by using the exact same punch Foreman used. Your point seems to be that Frazier would only get dropped like a sac of crap by a Foremanesque type shot, which is absolute stupid and shows the limit of your boxing brain.

Marciano had more compact punches which would have much less effect on Frazier.


Marciano could loop his punches as well. All you need to do, to know that is, actually watch a Marciano fight you dunce. Marciano had more variety in his arsenal than throwing short punches, he could get as wild as possible or as accurate and precise as need be.


No what I'm saying is, using what I'm saying above, that's the reason Frazier was destroyed so brutally by Foreman. Of course Marciano can KO Frazier I'm not ruling out that but, you've jumped to conlusions by simply stating. Frazier got destroyed by Foreman who was a good puncher therefore using formulas.
Frazier + Good Puncher = Frazier gets KO'd



Ofcourse I would use that as an example because that is plain reality. That is what actually happened. Frazier got destroyed by a big puncher. What don't you understand about that? :lol1:


That doesn't always happen, Marciano has arguably the greatest power in HW histroy but, that didn't allow him to automatically stop fighters like Roland La Starza(I) and Charles(II). As it goes deeper than that.


The difference is that Charles and LaStarza boxed and moved, whereas Frazier doesn't take a step back. :dunce:

Obviously, there is always a slim chance Marciano won't be able to finish his opponent, but in that case he beats his opponents to a pulp. Frazier doesn't have the ability to beat Marciano, nor will his chin allow him to walk throw his bombs. Frazier was a pressure fighter, through and through, an inside fighter who would need to take immense amount of punishment and shots to work on the inside, and there is no way he will be able to take those bombs, bobbing and weaving his way through Marciano's power.

My point is you can't just blidnly state as I've said above.
Frazier + Great Puncher = Frazier gets KO'd.



Here's a suggestion, download a few Marciano fights, actually watch them, then come back here and talk boxing history. Kid. Alright La.

kendom
06-12-2011, 09:29 AM
Marciano's defense is a little underrated he has more power than Joe, but Frazier has the better boxing skills, in a fight like this its gonna turn out to be a brawl and i dont see any way Frazier would have been able to win a brawl aganist Marciano who had just as a good a chin yet more power. Marciano ko 8

House of Stone
06-12-2011, 11:50 AM
This would be a great fight but I'd be surprised if Frazier didn't take it by a wide decision (don't think there'd be a stoppage here) - ps guys with pics of wlad in their avatars need to be ignored in any discussion that involves a white man v a black man

Barn
06-12-2011, 01:09 PM
This would be a great fight but I'd be surprised if Frazier didn't take it by a wide decision (don't think there'd be a stoppage here) - ps guys with pics of wlad in their avatars need to be ignored in any discussion that involves a white man v a black man
No way is it a wide decision, Marciano's work rate keeps any fight close, except the obvious ones.

Ziggy Stardust
06-12-2011, 02:21 PM
Wrong!

Frazier could be as white as your pasty ass and I would still pick Marciano.

Stop being a coward and debate the facts.

You have a lot of nerve calling ANYONE a coward when you're hiding behind an alt.....Whatsamatter? Your regular account get banned again? :jerk0ff9:

Poet