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Big Op
06-06-2011, 09:04 PM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

do you agree with this list if not explain why.

JAB5239
06-06-2011, 09:44 PM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

do you agree with this list if not explain why.i can't disagree or agree im not 100 years old.

Overall is a crappy list that has been discussed here many times. There are so many things to pick apart that I don't even know where to start. :dunno:

Big Op
06-06-2011, 09:56 PM
Overall is a crappy list that has been discussed here many times. There are so many things to pick apart that I don't even know where to start. :dunno:
you can start by who is more credible someone whose profession is being a boxing analyst or someone who posts on boxingscene who has no credibility in what he thinks/says are the greatest fighters

BigStereotype
06-06-2011, 10:02 PM
you can start by who is more credible someone whose profession is being a boxing analyst or someone who posts on boxingscene who has no credibility in what he thinks/says are the greatest fighters

Working on ESPN doesn't make you credible hahaha That list has Oscar significantly ahead of Arguello and Pernell Whitaker at 44th. And last I checked, you too post on boxing scene so...yeah.

Big Op
06-06-2011, 10:06 PM
Working on ESPN doesn't make you credible hahaha That list has Oscar significantly ahead of Arguello and Pernell Whitaker at 44th. And last I checked, you too post on boxing scene so...yeah.
but really some posters on here have whitaker and monzon ahead of julio cesar chavez despite him being a three division champ and facing the best there was

BigStereotype
06-06-2011, 10:13 PM
but really some posters on here have whitaker and monzon ahead of julio cesar chavez despite him being a three division champ and facing the best there was

Whitaker is ahead of Chavez, unquestionably.

talip bin osman
06-06-2011, 10:41 PM
there were some corrections made to this ESPN list done by mr. cox on a rival website...

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/espn.html

JAB5239
06-06-2011, 10:41 PM
you can start by who is more credible someone whose profession is being a boxing analyst or someone who posts on boxingscene who has no credibility in what he thinks/says are the greatest fighters

I appreciate you getting this out of the way and immediately letting us know this was a troll thread. But to answer your question....I know plenty of posters on here and other sites that show more insight and knowledge of the sport of boxing than most sports analysts. And considering one of the main criteria for this list was mainstream appeal, this list can never give an accurate description of the 50 greatest fighters all time.

Big Op
06-06-2011, 10:45 PM
there were some corrections made to this ESPN list done by mr. cox on a rival website...

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/espn.html
it's basically the same sh1t

talip bin osman
06-07-2011, 02:18 AM
but really some posters on here have whitaker and monzon ahead of julio cesar chavez despite him being a three division champ and facing the best there was

dont complain man... instead, defend it... why JCC must be rated ahead of whitaker and monzon...

Marcov
06-07-2011, 02:52 AM
Not a bad list, I would make a few changes myself but I bet if each of us put up a list, none of them would match 100%!

SBleeder
06-07-2011, 07:12 AM
Way too many heavyweights. There are nine on the list, and six in the top 20 alone.

Where the heck is Ricardo Lopez?

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 11:24 AM
but really some posters on here have whitaker and monzon ahead of julio cesar chavez despite him being a three division champ and facing the best there was

I'm no fan of Monzon but Chavez would have to stand on his Mommy's shoulders just to kiss Monzon's azz.

PS. Maybe your "face hurts" because it's slamming repeatedly into Julio Cesar Crybaby's pubic bone :bottle:

Poet

Big Op
06-07-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm no fan of Monzon but Chavez would have to stand on his Mommy's shoulders just to kiss Monzon's azz.

PS. Maybe your "face hurts" because it's slamming repeatedly into Julio Cesar Crybaby's pubic bone :bottle:

Poet
hmmm...six time world champion and three division world champ..holds the record for most defenses of a title,most title fights,most title fight victories and he is tied with joe louis for most title defended by ko.so again why should monzon rate higher than jcc ?

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 12:52 PM
hmmm...six time world champion and three division world champ..holds the record for most defenses of a title,most title fights,most title fight victories and he is tied with joe louis for most title defended by ko.so again why should monzon rate higher than jcc ?

Monzon didn't have 100 fights against Tijauana cab drivers. End thread.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 12:53 PM
hmmm...six time world champion and three division world champ..holds the record for most defenses of a title,most title fights,most title fight victories and he is tied with joe louis for most title defended by ko.so again why should monzon rate higher than jcc ?

Monzon didn't have Don King paying off judges and refs to throw fights to him. End thread.

Poet

Big Op
06-07-2011, 12:58 PM
no logical explanation as to why monzon should rate higher than jcc

who did monzon fight that matches jcc resume? nino benvenuti lmao

Big Op
06-07-2011, 01:02 PM
he is in the same league as edwin valero killing wives is very popular amongst south american boxers

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:03 PM
no logical explanation as to why monzon should rate higher than jcc

who did monzon fight that matches jcc resume? nino benvenuti lmao

Nino Benvenuti was a better fighter than anyone Chavez beat.....and Monzon KOed him twice. Bennie Briscoe, Emile Griffith, Jose Napoles, and Rodrigo Valdez were also better fighters than anyone Chavez beat.....and Monzon went 6-0 against them.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:04 PM
he is in the same league as edwin valero killing wives is very popular amongst south american boxers

And Chavez whinged like a little b1tch when he didn't get his way :bottle:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:07 PM
And btw.....Monzon was the UNDISPUTED champion of a LEGITIMATE weight class (Middleweight) making 14 defenses of that UNDISPUTED crown. Chavez was mearly a long time BELT HOLDER in two bogus super/junior divisions. NEXT!!!!!

Poet

Walt Liquor
06-07-2011, 01:10 PM
marciano at 14???????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:13 PM
marciano at 14???????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

Apparently Heavyweights give the peeps over at ESPN a big fat woody :rolleyes9:

Poet

Big Op
06-07-2011, 01:18 PM
if you old farts don't like the list why don't you make your opinion count and become boxing analysts for espn or the ring instead of being boxing analysts for boxingscene ?

anyways i'm out.remeber to eat cheerios it's good for the heart

Barn
06-07-2011, 01:20 PM
And btw.....Monzon was the UNDISPUTED champion of a LEGITIMATE weight class (Middleweight) making 14 defenses of that UNDISPUTED crown. Chavez was mearly a long time BELT HOLDER in two bogus super/junior divisions. NEXT!!!!!

Poet
Surely #10 is a bit to low then. ;)

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:22 PM
if you old farts don't like the list why don't you make your opinion count and become boxing analysts for espn or the ring instead of being boxing analysts for boxingscene ?

anyways i'm out.remeber to eat cheerios it's good for the heart

That's right Junior! You run home to your Mommy.....just remember to tell her how you got your trolling azz pwned by an "old fart" on Boxing Scene :boxing:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
06-07-2011, 01:25 PM
Surely #10 is a bit to low then. ;)

I rate by overall ability adjusted by resume. Purely in terms of resume and achievements Monzon blows Chavez away.....it's just no contest :boxing:

Poet

Walt Liquor
06-07-2011, 01:27 PM
Apparently Heavyweights give the peeps over at ESPN a big fat woody :rolleyes9:

Poet

i have no idea how someone lets these types of lists get publicly produced from a sports network....


I just read the list until I got there and stopped, no need to putz around on it.

studentofthegam
06-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Where is Naseem Hamed? Terrible list man.:boxing:

Really the list isnt all that bad. Its some I disagree with but no one is gonna agree completely with any opinionated list.

Barn
06-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Where is Naseem Hamed? Terrible list man.:boxing:

Really the list isnt all that bad. Its some I disagree with but no one is gonna agree completely with any opinionated list.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooool

where is naseem hamed?????????????????????????????

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studentofthegam
06-07-2011, 02:57 PM
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooool

where is naseem hamed?????????????????????????????

l0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000lI thought someone might get a kick out of that.

Barn
06-07-2011, 03:07 PM
I thought someone might get a kick out of that.
I definitely did.

IronDanHamza
06-07-2011, 04:43 PM
Oscar in the Top 50 fighters of all time :rofl: :rofl:

No Pacquaio?

Ohhhhhhhhh how times have changed in the casual world of Boxing.

Big Op
06-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Oscar in the Top 50 fighters of all time :rofl: :rofl:

No Pacquaio?

Ohhhhhhhhh how times have changed in the casual world of Boxing.
too bad your opinion means sh1t lol

IronDanHamza
06-07-2011, 04:53 PM
too bad your opinion means sh1t lol

Clearly, neither does ESPN's.

JAB5239
06-07-2011, 05:19 PM
For all you guys getting sucked into this troll thread, this was the criteria used to compile this list.

In-ring Performance
Achievements
Dominance
Mainstream Appeal

Not resume
not longevity
Not quality of opponent

In other words its a joke!

NChristo
06-07-2011, 05:33 PM
Mainstream appeal used to measure how great a boxer is but not their quality of opponent ?.

If that's the case then Naseem probably should be top 50, jus sayin.
































:dunno:

JAB5239
06-07-2011, 05:49 PM
Mainstream appeal used to measure how great a boxer is but not their quality of opponent ?.

If that's the case then Naseem probably should be top 50, jus sayin.




:dunno:



It's a messed up list that shows no consistency toward its own criteria. If it did Tyson would have to rank much, much higher than 50. The list is a joke!

Big Op
06-07-2011, 05:56 PM
yes but this is the criteria they go for nowadays

In-ring Performance
Achievements
Dominance
Mainstream Appeal

The Surgeon
06-07-2011, 05:56 PM
I cant get down with that list, not one bit. It sux.

Theres alot of great fighters in there but i argue their positioning, and ther are actually a few odd picks in the full stop.

BigStereotype
06-07-2011, 05:58 PM
no logical explanation as to why monzon should rate higher than jcc

who did monzon fight that matches jcc resume? nino benvenuti lmao

Yeah, Benvenuti's a good place to start. That's like saying "Who did Ali beat that matches Wlad's resume? Foreman lmao"

The Surgeon
06-07-2011, 06:00 PM
yes but this is the criteria they go for nowadays

In-ring Performance
Achievements
Dominance
Mainstream Appeal

Mainstream appeal is odd no! What the hells that a criteria for? Stupid idea imo

Vadrigar.
06-07-2011, 06:12 PM
So Sugar Ray Leonard is below Johnson and Dempsey, that's not right.

JAB5239
06-07-2011, 06:14 PM
yes but this is the criteria they go for nowadays

In-ring Performance
Achievements
Dominance
Mainstream Appeal

Who exactly goes for that? Certainly not any boxing historian I know of. Maybe you could give me the names of a few and I can check out their work?

JAB5239
06-07-2011, 06:18 PM
Mainstream appeal is odd no! What the hells that a criteria for? Stupid idea imo

Achievements is a geared towards todays fighters also. It eliminates fighters like Burley and Langford who were not allowed to fight for titles.