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Steak
06-06-2011, 07:57 PM
What fighters changed drastically from one style to another during their career? I dont mean along the lines of them becoming shot, but as in the changed their style and were equally as successful past prime as they were pre prime.

Ill go ahead and mention Barrera. Was rewatching his old war against Kennady McKinney, and the guy was just a brutal brawler. compare that to his technical war against Marquez, its a huge change. yet both those versions of him were still very good. I think his transformation started in motion after the Junior Jones fights, where he learned to have a lot better defense and started gaining a lot more boxing ability.

any other good ones? and go ahead and name when you think they started to change, if you have any idea.

DarkTerror88
06-06-2011, 08:05 PM
What fighters changed drastically from one style to another during their career? I dont mean along the lines of them becoming shot, but as in the changed their style and were equally as successful past prime as they were pre prime.

Ill go ahead and mention Barrera. Was rewatching his old war against Kennady McKinney, and the guy was just a brutal brawler. compare that to his technical war against Marquez, its a huge change. yet both those versions of him were still very good. I think his transformation started in motion after the Junior Jones fights, where he learned to have a lot better defense and started gaining a lot more boxing ability.

any other good ones? and go ahead and name when you think they started to change, if you have any idea.

Young Foreman was a slugger who tried to KTFO as quickly as possible. But the Older Foreman used his Jab to set up punches and (short) combos in a style like a boxer puncher. emphasis on puncher.

Hopkins became more technical and counter puncher-y as his career advanced.

Steak
06-06-2011, 08:12 PM
Young Foreman was a slugger who tried to KTFO as quickly as possible. But the Older Foreman used his Jab to set up punches and (short) combos in a style like a boxer puncher. emphasis on puncher.

Hopkins became more technical and counter puncher-y as his career advanced.
actually young Foreman liked to set up his punches too, as shown in his fights with Peralta and Chuvalo. He kind of got full of himself and after the Frazier fight, and got a lot more wild.


Hopkins is a good one however.

NChristo
06-06-2011, 08:17 PM
Wlad Klitschko, when he hooked up with Steward obviously became a much more cautious boxer to preserve his stamina and not put himself in as much risk.

Hector Camacho after the Rosario fight, way more defensive and couldn't pull the trigger.

2 most obvious ones that first came to mind.

DarkTerror88
06-06-2011, 08:17 PM
actually young Foreman liked to set up his punches too, as shown in his fights with Peralta and Chuvalo. He kind of got full of himself and after the Frazier fight, and got a lot more wild.


Hopkins is a good one however.

This is true but as i know Younger Foreman would also wing off punches and hookercuts in an array to overwhelm his opponent, even though he was able to set up punches and did at times (pre championship). But older foreman HAD TO change his style to set up combos because he didnt have the stamina or ability to wing punches and have it work. You know what i mean?

Steak
06-06-2011, 08:21 PM
This is true but as i know Younger Foreman would also wing off punches and hookercuts in an array to overwhelm his opponent, even though he was able to set up punches and did at times (pre championship). But older foreman HAD TO change his style to set up combos because he didnt have the stamina or ability to wing punches and have it work. You know what i mean?
yup, Foreman also changed up to that cross armed block which was a pretty big change.

I sort always just jump at the opportunity to say that Foreman wasnt always a wild crude brawler, because in some of his fights he was more controlled and would set up his shots.

NChristo
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
Forgot Lloyd Honeyghan as well, changed his style after the Curry fight, he changed from a boxer puncher into a slugger and more of a crowd pleasing style.

DarkTerror88
06-06-2011, 08:24 PM
yup, Foreman also changed up to that cross armed block which was a pretty big change.

I sort always just jump at the opportunity to say that Foreman wasnt always a wild crude brawler, because in some of his fights he was more controlled and would set up his shots.

I agree. But after he beat Frazier he thought that just throwing flailing swinging wide a** punches would always work. As evident in the Fights with Ali and Lyle and maybe the Young fight. I cant remember that fight too well so im not gonna cite it. I think that his pre title run, his jab and combos were magnificent and would have been much better that way for the rest of the 70s.

Flo_Raiden
06-06-2011, 08:32 PM
Hopkins, Camacho, and Barrera, as already mentioned.

Juan Manuel Marquez also had a little style adjustment, who started as more of a safety first fighter early on but has since then became more hittable while at the same time more exciting.
Pacquiao and Duran are also obvious choices since they both started from a rampaging slugger to a more refined boxer puncher with controlled aggression.

IronDanHamza
06-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Obviously very recent but the first one that actually came to my mind was Floyd Mayweather Jr decideing to stop throwing combintions when he moved to 147.

Steak
06-06-2011, 09:58 PM
Obviously very recent but the first one that actually came to my mind was Floyd Mayweather Jr decideing to stop throwing combintions when he moved to 147.
I dont think that counts as a transformation personally. Mayweather still has the ability to throw combinations, and still will when he gets the opportunity. but a lot of the time he cant risk it because of the opponent type. He wasnt throwing combos against Castillo either, and that was a while back before 147.

its more of a style matchup thing than a career transformation, imo.

talip bin osman
06-06-2011, 09:59 PM
What fighters changed drastically from one style to another during their career? I dont mean along the lines of them becoming shot, but as in the changed their style and were equally as successful past prime as they were pre prime.

Ill go ahead and mention Barrera. Was rewatching his old war against Kennady McKinney, and the guy was just a brutal brawler. compare that to his technical war against Marquez, its a huge change. yet both those versions of him were still very good. I think his transformation started in motion after the Junior Jones fights, where he learned to have a lot better defense and started gaining a lot more boxing ability.

any other good ones? and go ahead and name when you think they started to change, if you have any idea.

excellent example... watching the barrera in the mckinney fight then the barrera in the 2nd juarez fight is like watching two totally different fighters...

IronDanHamza
06-06-2011, 10:02 PM
I dont think that counts as a transformation personally. Mayweather still has the ability to throw combinations, and still will when he gets the opportunity. but a lot of the time he cant risk it because of the opponent type. He wasnt throwing combos against Castillo either, and that was a while back before 147.

its more of a style matchup thing than a career transformation, imo.

We will never see Mayweather throw combinations like he did vs Augustus or Gatti ever again.

He could have against Baldomir, Marquez, Mosley, Judah and possibly got them out of there.

He just doesn't really throw combinations anymore.

I get what you're saying, though.

Steak
06-06-2011, 10:07 PM
We will never see Mayweather throw combinations like he did vs Augustus or Gatti ever again.

He could have against Baldomir, Marquez, Mosley, Judah and possibly got them out of there.

He just doesn't really throw combinations anymore.

I get what you're saying, though.
While I agree we probably wont see Mayweather throw those kind of combos again, he still has the potential to if he were to fight someone lower calibur without much defense. probably also someone who didnt pose too much of an offensive risk either, like Alfonso Gomez.

but, I have seen a change in Mayweathers style over the years, although not as drastic as someone like Barrera.

joseph5620
06-06-2011, 11:16 PM
What fighters changed drastically from one style to another during their career? I dont mean along the lines of them becoming shot, but as in the changed their style and were equally as successful past prime as they were pre prime.

Ill go ahead and mention Barrera. Was rewatching his old war against Kennady McKinney, and the guy was just a brutal brawler. compare that to his technical war against Marquez, its a huge change. yet both those versions of him were still very good. I think his transformation started in motion after the Junior Jones fights, where he learned to have a lot better defense and started gaining a lot more boxing ability.

any other good ones? and go ahead and name when you think they started to change, if you have any idea.




Matthew Saad Muhammad. Earlier in his career he was a counter puncher/boxer with a very good jab. I've read that it all changed after the first Marvin Johnson fight. Also, Arturo Gatti became much more of a boxer when he started working with Buddy McGirt. I think it prolonged his career. Also Humberto Gonzalez went from power punching slugger to boxer after getting knocked out by Michael Carbajal. It worked in his favor when he outboxed Carbajal twice in rematches. Barrera is probably the best example.

Perfect Plex
06-06-2011, 11:23 PM
Early on, pre his KO losses Wladamir Klitschko was alot more agressive and pushed the fight more. He didn't seem to fight as upright or as cautious.

Now a days he likes to be very cagey and figure his opponent out, work behind his jab and get him down the stretch. Which has made him a much more difficult fighter to beat.

studentofthegam
06-07-2011, 04:18 PM
yup, Foreman also changed up to that cross armed block which was a pretty big change.

I sort always just jump at the opportunity to say that Foreman wasnt always a wild crude brawler, because in some of his fights he was more controlled and would set up his shots.Hehehe

Obviously very recent but the first one that actually came to my mind was Floyd Mayweather Jr decideing to stop throwing combintions when he moved to 147.He definitely changed when moving up. I think it had a lot to do with those hands.

A lot of people say Barrera bbut he seemed to go back and forth with his style and always did. I lean more towards Marquez. I never thought I'd see the day when he'd rather just fight it out like a dog. But lately he has been wide open. Also Gatti was a good example but it probably hurt him to try and be the boxer against Floyd. Against most though it made me really proud of his transformation.

MRBOOMER
06-08-2011, 03:38 AM
Joe calzaghe. Early in his career he hit pretty hard and could get you outta there but as his hands got worse he started slapping people and throwing tons of punches

The Surgeon
06-08-2011, 05:38 AM
Juan Manuel Marquez really switched it up and turned FIGHTER over the last few years, Guy was a Warrior in a boxers skin now he's just flat out Warrior although a highly skilled warrior

Something Jr
06-08-2011, 08:47 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned Cotto yet. Although it's still a work in progress, he has shifted from a pressure fighter/body snatcher to a more refined boxer under Manny Steward.

The Surgeon
06-09-2011, 06:35 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned Cotto yet. Although it's still a work in progress, he has shifted from a pressure fighter/body snatcher to a more refined boxer under Manny Steward. I feel like Cotto has made only a slight adjustment and has merely gone back to being more patient and fighting methodically like he did on his way up, as the KO's kept piling up he got more and more aggresive but he was never just an all out pressure fighter, he fought that way against Quintana and Judah but that was smart tactics, the fans and HBO tried to pigeon hole Cotto as a Chavez type guy but in truth he was always more versatile and mobile, if less effective...

SCtrojansbaby
06-09-2011, 10:39 PM
B-Hop from up until the Tito fight was an aggressive come forward KO artist

From the Tito fight until the second Taylor fight he was the super cautious counterpuncher who almost exclusively fought off his back foot

The 175 B-Hop IMO is the best one as he put it all together and instead of fighting off his back foot he smothers his opponents.

TintaBoricua
06-10-2011, 03:19 AM
Obviously very recent but the first one that actually came to my mind was Floyd Mayweather Jr decideing to stop throwing combintions when he moved to 147.

I didn't follow boxing until late 2006 but have ever since been absorbed by the sport.

And yes, this is very noticeable when watching fights from Floyd back in the day. The fluidity, speed, and precision with which he could throw combinations was astounding (Mitchell, Gatti, Bruseles).

He's much more cautious when he opens up now, though.

The Surgeon
06-10-2011, 05:16 AM
I guess u could say Ricky Hatton too, he was a an absalote Terror coming up, relentless and non stop but turned into a smash and grab type of guy earning him nicknames like Ricky the wrestler ect! I think it might have more to do with levels of opposition than anything else tho