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EMSLDB
06-06-2011, 02:05 AM
Why does winky wright get labeled as a boring fighter. His fights with fernando vargas and Jermain taylor were excellent. His fights with sam solimon, jc candelo, mosley,angel hernandez, and quartey were pretty good also His fight with hopkins was ugly and boring but thats just one fight

The Surgeon
06-08-2011, 07:58 AM
I feel like he was a dull fighter due to his defencive shell and lack of power. Ur right tho he was in some good fights particuarly vs Taylor and for the record i had Jermain 1 point up in that fight and felt Winky was out of line the way he acted with the draw

New England
06-08-2011, 09:56 AM
he basically fought for points


he didn't have serious power, but at 154 he was very strong and certainly could have broken men down.
he was also a good body puncher

had he shown the intention to walk a man down and stop him he might have had a reputation as a more exciting fighter


he began his career with more of a stick and move american style
as he aged and moved up in weight and his legs wore down and his fights got longer he developed the style he made famous

he had a very good jab
was a very solid infighter
had a dynamite chin

he's a rough go for almost anybody at 154 in his prime.

he beat vargas, too.
that decision was bogus.

and say what you want about vargas
when he was a young man he was a ****ing monster



if you haven't seen winky's fight with julio cesar vasquez i'd suggest checking it out. vasquez was a mean son of a ***** from argentina, and a much bigger man the night of the fight

winky gets horribly hurt and survives
he was less than a four year pro fighting for his first world title.

great fighters come back from losses


awesome

Walt Liquor
06-08-2011, 10:32 AM
there's a large contingent of poster on here who do not believe winky was an avoided fighter PRIOR to the Mosley fights.


:spank:

IronDanHamza
06-08-2011, 01:11 PM
there's a large contingent of poster on here who do not believe winky was an avoided fighter PRIOR to the Mosley fights.


:spank:

:lol1:

Who was he avoided by again?

I think the irony is funny that he was 'avoided' for so long but when he got his chance at a big break he turned it down.

Walt Liquor
06-08-2011, 03:07 PM
:lol1:

Who was he avoided by again?

I think the irony is funny that he was 'avoided' for so long but when he got his chance at a big break he turned it down.

:rofl::rofl:

I guess I just need to save my response in word document format so I can copy and paste it.

2000 Ring JMW ratings (post Vargas fight)
Felix Trinidad
Fernando Vargas
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Ike Quartey
Javier Castillejo
Harry Simon
Bronco McKart
Yory Boy Campas
Tony Marshall
Shibata Flores

2001 Ring JMW ratings
Title Vacant

Oscar De La Hoya
Fernando Vargas
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Javier Castillejo
Bronco McKart
Yory Boy Campas
Alex Bunema
J.C. Candelo
Roman Karmazin
Steve Roberts

2002 Ring JMW rankings
Oscar De La Hoya, Champion

Ronald (Winky) Wright
Fernando Vargas
Javier Castillejo
Daniel Santos
Shane Mosley
Kassim Ouma
Bronco McKart
Verno Phillips
Alex Bunema
Santiago Samaniego

2003- Oscar "offered" the fight.

2004 Shane fought him. after that, he was on the map. He sure didn't turn down Shane. Would you have favored Oscar or Winky in '03-'04?

Not to mention winky was top 10 for many years before 2000.

IronDanHamza
06-08-2011, 03:22 PM
:rofl::rofl:

I guess I just need to save my response in word document format so I can copy and paste it.

2000 Ring JMW ratings (post Vargas fight)
Felix Trinidad
Fernando Vargas
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Ike Quartey
Javier Castillejo
Harry Simon
Bronco McKart
Yory Boy Campas
Tony Marshall
Shibata Flores

2001 Ring JMW ratings
Title Vacant

Oscar De La Hoya
Fernando Vargas
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Javier Castillejo
Bronco McKart
Yory Boy Campas
Alex Bunema
J.C. Candelo
Roman Karmazin
Steve Roberts

2002 Ring JMW rankings
Oscar De La Hoya, Champion

Ronald (Winky) Wright
Fernando Vargas
Javier Castillejo
Daniel Santos
Shane Mosley
Kassim Ouma
Bronco McKart
Verno Phillips
Alex Bunema
Santiago Samaniego

2003- Oscar "offered" the fight.

2004 Shane fought him. after that, he was on the map. He sure didn't turn down Shane. Would you have favored Oscar or Winky in '03-'04?

Not to mention winky was top 10 for many years before 2000.

That's a nice list of the rankings there but I'm not sure of the point.

Are you saying because they are in the same weight class they avoided Winky?

You have bolded Ike Quartey. Why? Are you claiming Quartey ducked Wright?

You have bolded Oscar. Why? We know Winky turned down a fight with Oscar. Are we claiming he fought Mosley and Vargas in turn to duck Winky?

You have bolded Vargas. Vargas fought Winky already and maybe wanted to move on? I guess Vargas may have not wanted Winky but I don't know the in's and out's of that one.

I don't think Tito ducked Winky to fight the easier Bernard Hopkins at Middleweight.

Castillejo only fought Oscar in that time period so by this logic doesn't that mean he was an avoided fighter also?

No one really avoided Winky. And when his chance came to fight bigger fights for bigger money he turned them down.

jrosales13
06-08-2011, 03:41 PM
Zaveck is being avoided by Pacquiao because they're in the same weight-class and have yet to fight.

I mean that's the logic we're using when it comes to Winky.

Walt Liquor
06-09-2011, 09:27 AM
Who was the #1 IBF contender to Titio's belt when he left for the MW tourney? Winky already won the title mandatory for the IBF title and was in line for the shot at vargas before he got murked by tito, and was there for Tito. (he was there long before that as well)

Vargas was a well know ducker of winky after winky backed him up and spanked him in their first fight....

And Winky got Shane cuz Mayorga lost to Spinks and Shane needed a name on HBO..

East Side Boxing: What are you thoughts of DelaHoya. When I spoke with him last in November, he said specifically Without a doubt, Ill never step in the ring with Winky Wright. What are your thoughts about that? He had his reasons for it but what do you think his reasons were for it?

Winky Wright: I think his reasons are because he knows Im a tough fighter. Im a fighter that can do everything; I can fight, I can box. I come in shape and hes got to be prepared for a fight. He might try and say that the reason is that its not marketable when were going to show everyone its marketable with me and Shane so the DelaHoya fight will definitely be marketable. But look, Im hoping that he changes his mind after the fight (after he sees me and Mosley). You know what Im saying? I want him to say, look he deserves this fight and hes been waiting a long time and he beat everybody to get to me, and he deserves this opportunity!

This is prior to Oscar offering him 65-35 and Winky turning it down. Winky was calling out Oscar for yrs before that offer was made. Winky knew he could no longer be avoided and he wasn't after Shane had to fight him.....

I'm not saying it was a good business decision but lets not act like Winky wasn't avoided. Dan seems to think he wanted to go to England and fight mediocre guys in Europe. He wanted to go to defend his title vs Harry SImon in South Africa?????? Where the fight was announced as a draw but then changed to a W for Simon..... He was basically a champ at 154 from 1996-2004 before he got a big name.... Well, he got a big name once, put up an exciting bout that he lost but the majority of people thought he won and proved that he's a nightmare in the ring. Then he finally gets the fight with Shane 5 YEARS after the "loss" to Vargas. Obviously he wasn't content to fight b-c level guys like Dan's ridiculous theory because as soon as he made a name off of a big name, he only fought the best and big names. Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Taylor, Bhop, ancient Quartay (finally) and Pwill.

Winky was a terrible businessman and that stupid chip that he carried on his shoulder caused him to lose out on a ton of dough. he wanted to be the draw so bad, that when he was finally getting good fights, he pulled the same shi t on other guys that was done to him by Vargas, Tito and Oscar. IE, wanting more money from Floyd for a fight he would have won pretty handily. Same thing for the Taylor rematch.

Walt Liquor
06-09-2011, 09:32 AM
Zaveck is being avoided by Pacquiao because they're in the same weight-class and have yet to fight.

I mean that's the logic we're using when it comes to Winky.

Really? How long has Zavek had a belt? Has he been traveling across the globe to find someone willing to fight him?

When's the last time Zavek was here in the states fighting? When did he call out the biggest names in and around his division?

Because winky was a champ for about 3-4 years before he got Vargas. He defended his title in at least 3 different countries because he couldn't get fights.....and he was calling out everyone, especially from 2000-4 when he was a champ at JMW as well.


Yea, that's the logic we're using if one is a mental midget.

Steak
06-09-2011, 12:35 PM
who cares who 'avoided' Wright. fact is, he didnt fight them, so Im not going to add to his legacy for imaginary wins. if you really want a fight with a top level fighter and deserve a shot at them, chances are you will get your chance...you just have to make big concessions and get your name out there more.


as it is, he was a solid fighter, but not without his flaws. was a horrible type of matchup against guys like Trinidad and Mosley, but would have suffered against opponents that could have worked around his guard and kept him in his shell. Im thinking someone like Mike McCallum would have had a field day with him to be honest.

might get into the HOF. very good jab.

IronDanHamza
06-09-2011, 02:00 PM
Who was the #1 IBF contender to Titio's belt when he left for the MW tourney? Winky already won the title mandatory for the IBF title and was in line for the shot at vargas before he got murked by tito, and was there for Tito. (he was there long before that as well)

Vargas was a well know ducker of winky after winky backed him up and spanked him in their first fight....

And Winky got Shane cuz Mayorga lost to Spinks and Shane needed a name on HBO..

East Side Boxing: What are you thoughts of DelaHoya. When I spoke with him last in November, he said specifically Without a doubt, Ill never step in the ring with Winky Wright. What are your thoughts about that? He had his reasons for it but what do you think his reasons were for it?

Winky Wright: I think his reasons are because he knows Im a tough fighter. Im a fighter that can do everything; I can fight, I can box. I come in shape and hes got to be prepared for a fight. He might try and say that the reason is that its not marketable when were going to show everyone its marketable with me and Shane so the DelaHoya fight will definitely be marketable. But look, Im hoping that he changes his mind after the fight (after he sees me and Mosley). You know what Im saying? I want him to say, look he deserves this fight and hes been waiting a long time and he beat everybody to get to me, and he deserves this opportunity!

This is prior to Oscar offering him 65-35 and Winky turning it down. Winky was calling out Oscar for yrs before that offer was made. Winky knew he could no longer be avoided and he wasn't after Shane had to fight him.....

I'm not saying it was a good business decision but lets not act like Winky wasn't avoided. Dan seems to think he wanted to go to England and fight mediocre guys in Europe. He wanted to go to defend his title vs Harry SImon in South Africa?????? Where the fight was announced as a draw but then changed to a W for Simon..... He was basically a champ at 154 from 1996-2004 before he got a big name.... Well, he got a big name once, put up an exciting bout that he lost but the majority of people thought he won and proved that he's a nightmare in the ring. Then he finally gets the fight with Shane 5 YEARS after the "loss" to Vargas. Obviously he wasn't content to fight b-c level guys like Dan's ridiculous theory because as soon as he made a name off of a big name, he only fought the best and big names. Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Taylor, Bhop, ancient Quartay (finally) and Pwill.

Winky was a terrible businessman and that stupid chip that he carried on his shoulder caused him to lose out on a ton of dough. he wanted to be the draw so bad, that when he was finally getting good fights, he pulled the same shi t on other guys that was done to him by Vargas, Tito and Oscar. IE, wanting more money from Floyd for a fight he would have won pretty handily. Same thing for the Taylor rematch.

When have I ever said 'Winky would only fight B-C level fighters'?

Winky evidently was willing to fight higher level fighters than that, he proved it more than enough times.

But the fact is he wasn't avoided like you claim. You throw names like Quartey and Tito in there as if they ducked Winky when it's utterly untrue.

Why is Tito going to fight Winky Wright when he is moving to Middleweight to eventually fight Bernard Hopkins?

You say 'Quartey (finally)' as if he was available to fight Winky Wright..

He had a chance to fight Oscar and turned it down. This is a fact. So let's say Oscar said 'I won't fight him' I don't atually recall that but for arguments sake let's say he did when Winky had the chance he did the exact same thing and turned the fight down.

What about Catillejo? Was he avoided by those names also? I'm sure he would loved to have fight them as much as Winky Wright would have.

Winky may not have been able to get all the fights he wanted, who does? But to say he was notoriously avoided like you claim is just simply untrue.

And the fact still remains he had chances to fight for huge paydays against the alleged guys he 'really wanted to fight' and turned them down. No one's fault but his own.

Walt Liquor
06-13-2011, 11:24 AM
When have I ever said 'Winky would only fight B-C level fighters'?

Winky evidently was willing to fight higher level fighters than that, he proved it more than enough times.

But the fact is he wasn't avoided like you claim. You throw names like Quartey and Tito in there as if they ducked Winky when it's utterly untrue.

Why is Tito going to fight Winky Wright when he is moving to Middleweight to eventually fight Bernard Hopkins?

You say 'Quartey (finally)' as if he was available to fight Winky Wright..

He had a chance to fight Oscar and turned it down. This is a fact. So let's say Oscar said 'I won't fight him' I don't atually recall that but for arguments sake let's say he did when Winky had the chance he did the exact same thing and turned the fight down.

What about Catillejo? Was he avoided by those names also? I'm sure he would loved to have fight them as much as Winky Wright would have.

Winky may not have been able to get all the fights he wanted, who does? But to say he was notoriously avoided like you claim is just simply untrue.

And the fact still remains he had chances to fight for huge paydays against the alleged guys he 'really wanted to fight' and turned them down. No one's fault but his own.

you mentioned that winky was content to just defend his titles against b-c level guys in another thread we were talking about winky in....

you constantly ignore the fact that I'm saying he was avoided up until shane finally fought him and he made a name for himself. i'm well aware of his horrible business decisions and all the high profile fights he got.

you and steak both- yes there are guys that don't get the shots they want, rarely are those guys champs and so highly regarded for as long as winky was, so you can keep your castellejo arguments....

Bushbaby
06-13-2011, 12:00 PM
I think Winky was 1 of the best jr middleweights ever.Before Martinez,there was Winky.

IronDanHamza
06-13-2011, 01:12 PM
you mentioned that winky was content to just defend his titles against b-c level guys in another thread we were talking about winky in....

At the start of his reign he was more than happy racking up solid defneces like Keith Mulling and a Bronco McKart trilogy.

Evidently is was open to bigger fighters and wasn't afraid to get in the ring with anyone per se.

you constantly ignore the fact that I'm saying he was avoided up until shane finally fought him and he made a name for himself. i'm well aware of his horrible business decisions and all the high profile fights he got.

I know what saying.

But, he wasn't. Especially not by Quartey and Trinidad and nor was he by Oscar or Castillejo.

I guess you could argue he was by Vargas.

you and steak both- yes there are guys that don't get the shots they want, rarely are those guys champs and so highly regarded for as long as winky was, so you can keep your castellejo arguments....

Castillejo held his paper title for a good few years and racked up some decent defences during that peroid of time before he fought Oscar.

And, Castilllejo was not avoided by anyone during this title reign, despite the fact he was a champion and available to those names you have mentioned for Winky.

The same goes for Winky.

IronDanHamza
06-13-2011, 01:18 PM
I think Winky was 1 of the best jr middleweights ever.Before Martinez,there was Winky.

I think that has more to do with the fact that the Jr Middleweight division isn't even 40 years old and isn't a relitively strong division in general over it's short history.

Even with that being said, there are still a handful of fighters that are considered greater than Wright at the weight.