View Full Version : UFC Is Starting To Become Uninteresting To Watch!


photomane
06-05-2011, 11:06 AM
The fight with Guida last night was a perfect example. I believe the UFC has peaked and is slowly declining in peoples interest because of the rule system which lets fighters just lay and hold, your thoughts?


ps: The boxing fights Froch vs Johnson and Chavez Jr last night were 10 times more exciting...

RlCKY
06-05-2011, 11:54 AM
I agree somewhat. The top guys seem to be losing their hunger so to speak...GSP, Silva are more interested in fighting "safe" to get the decision and fight on to see another day. Can you blame them, though? (not the point I understand) The guys just aren't making enough money to go out there and put it all on the line, because there are only a select guys who don't work day jobs to support their families.

Dana White is a smart guy and an excellent promoter and will figure out a way to take it to the next level. Just like the May-Pac fight, too much money to not make it work

$BloodyNate$
06-05-2011, 12:22 PM
Dude that was one fight...the rest of the card was awesome.

Go troll somewhere else.

kaps
06-05-2011, 12:41 PM
The fight with Guida last night was a perfect example. I believe the UFC has peaked and is slowly declining in peoples interest because of the rule system which lets fighters just lay and hold, your thoughts?


ps: The boxing fights Froch vs Johnson and Chavez Jr last night were 10 times more exciting...

Then stop watching it, stop posting about it too....

Boxingtech718v2
06-05-2011, 01:23 PM
Like the one guy said Fighters aren't getting paid ish.

Monte Fisto
06-05-2011, 01:37 PM
The fight with Guida last night was a perfect example. Wow, talk about different POVs. I didn't watch the UF* in its entirety last night, and I only saw the last two rounds of Guida-Pettis, but, I thought the Guida-Pettis fight was about a C+. It wasn't great, but, good.

Guida wasn't just laying on top of him, he was constantly trying to improve his position and trying to score the best he knew how. But, Pettis on the other hand was doing a good job with controlling Guida's wrist throughout. That's MMA.

Maybe you should tell the UF* to change their rules and not allow anymore grabbing of the wrists.

Pettis on the other hand was trying to make things happen while on his back , but, Guida was doing a solid job defending the sub attempts.

southcentralcar
06-05-2011, 02:09 PM
they should change the judging system. strikes should be more important then takedowns and all of this ground game bulls.hit.. guida was moving a lot trying to improve his position.. so what ? at the end of the fight both of them were equally tired and undamaged.. i wouldve called it a draw then maybe fighters would actually start taking chances and try to damage their opponents

Monte Fisto
06-05-2011, 02:30 PM
they should change the judging system. strikes should be more important then takedowns and all of this ground game bulls.hit.. guida was moving a lot trying to improve his position.. so what ? at the end of the fight both of them were equally tired and undamaged.. i wouldve called it a draw then maybe fighters would actually start taking chances and try to damage their opponents

I don't know about strikes being more important than a takedown. I mean, one can argue that executing a takedown is more difficult than landing a punch or a kick. So, from that POV, I'm okay with that or atleast make the takedown and or a landed strike scored the same way, but, I don't agree with your suggestion.

However, I don't like it when a guy simply gets credit for staying on top of of his opponent and that's all they really do, while the guy on the bottom is working his butt off while on his back.

I guess it's kinda like boxing, when fighter A has his opponent against the ropes, but, all they're doing is leaning on them, but, the guy that has his back against the ropes is actually throwing punches, yet, it's the guy who had the "dominant position" that gets the credit.

And, as for your last comment, about not even giving any credit to the guy who is holding the dominant position and attempting to transition to get to an even better position.

I disagree, why shouldn't a guy get credit for remaining in a dominant position while attempting get to an even better position. But, the guy on his back should get credit for sub attempts ?

Marchegiano
06-05-2011, 03:28 PM
LMAO C+? LoL maybe for gay ****....for an MMA fight that was an F-. I dunno where or how MMA gets worse...that was old guy laying on top of another thrusting his shoulder into the latter's chin repeatedly for 15mins.....horrible.


That under card sucked ass. I mean it was awesome if you like watching a bunch of guys who suck at everything...****ing circling to the right amateur bull****...this TUF was one of the worst.

southcentralcar
06-05-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't know about strikes being more important than a takedown. I mean, one can argue that executing a takedown is more difficult than landing a punch or a kick. So, from that POV, I'm okay with that or atleast make the takedown and or a landed strike scored the same way, but, I don't agree with your suggestion.

However, I don't like it when a guy simply gets credit for staying on top of of his opponent and that's all they really do, while the guy on the bottom is working his butt off while on his back.

I guess it's kinda like boxing, when fighter A has his opponent against the ropes, but, all they're doing is leaning on them, but, the guy that has his back against the ropes is actually throwing punches, yet, it's the guy who had the "dominant position" that gets the credit.

And, as for your last comment, about not even giving any credit to the guy who is holding the dominant position and attempting to transition to get to an even better position.

I disagree, why shouldn't a guy get credit for remaining in a dominant position while attempting get to an even better position. But, the guy on his back should get credit for sub attempts ?

talking about the dominant position.. i think it should only be significant if youre landing punches if not then why even consider it a dominant position. if youre just laying on top of another guy but not doing **** i dont think it makes any difference wether youre on top or not. and again it should be normal punches not some shoulder shrugs.

ƒallenloki
06-05-2011, 04:47 PM
That fight was trash.

Spartacus Sully
06-05-2011, 05:11 PM
The fight with Guida last night was a perfect example. I believe the UFC has peaked and is slowly declining in peoples interest because of the rule system which lets fighters just lay and hold, your thoughts?


ps: The boxing fights Froch vs Johnson and Chavez Jr last night were 10 times more exciting...

mma is checkers, lots of kings, lots of action.

we all grow up and stop playing checkers.

Las Vegas,
06-05-2011, 07:23 PM
Starting? Ever since Lesnar lost to Velasquez it's been this way. Whenever the undercard sucks, usually the main event is good. Whenever the main event sucks the undercard is usually good. There are extremely rare occasions now that both are awesome.

I learned a lesson though. If the main event involves anyone other the exciting fighters chances are it won't be exciting. I don't watch MMA to watch tactical battles, I watch for excitement.

Which is why I watch Strikeforce. Those guys know they don't get cut after 1 loss, so they decide to do a good job to entertain the fans even at the cost of losing.

$BloodyNate$
06-05-2011, 07:38 PM
I can agree it's lost some stream but I don't think it's becoming uninteresting to watch at all. I think it's lost steam since the UFC 80's. Their's been good fights since then but not as consistent as their use to be because of a combo of things.

Fighters don't get paid enough and it's becoming acceptable to play it safe to win. A few years ago and before it was all about finishing fights. Everybody wanted to be the next Rampage, the next GSP back when he was exciting, the next shogun, now everybody just wants to lay on each other.

I'm telling you if they switched the rules over to Japanesse rules it'd be one of the best sports out there up there with with the NBA and the NFL. Wrestling shouldn't win you fights, although it's a great asset to help you win but if your just laying there praying not to get KO'd or submitted that's just ridiculous.

Clegg
06-05-2011, 08:22 PM
I'd like to see more 5 round fights. A lot of the time, 3 rounders don't really prove who the better fighter is.

F l i c k e r
06-05-2011, 08:32 PM
I can agree it's lost some stream but I don't think it's becoming uninteresting to watch at all. I think it's lost steam since the UFC 80's. Their's been good fights since then but not as consistent as their use to be because of a combo of things.

Fighters don't get paid enough and it's becoming acceptable to play it safe to win. A few years ago and before it was all about finishing fights. Everybody wanted to be the next Rampage, the next GSP back when he was exciting, the next shogun, now everybody just wants to lay on each other.

I'm telling you if they switched the rules over to Japanesse rules it'd be one of the best sports out there up there with with the NBA and the NFL. Wrestling shouldn't win you fights, although it's a great asset to help you win but if your just laying there praying not to get KO'd or submitted that's just ridiculous.


They do get paid enough. If your gonna tell me you can't live off 5k for 2 months, something is wrong with the way you live. Nick got paid 175k for beating Daley and not to long before that he was claiming he was broke. C'mon now, you can't live off that money for more than a month? Not to mention their walking billboard status, 17 sponsors on their pants. That's free product(clothes etc.) and money.


Regarding topic: As for the UFC becoming uninteresting. It's true. I really don't want to watch anyone that I don't already like. Because the guys I like are generally gonna bring it. Not lay on dudes for 3-5 rounds. It's sad when you can't even watch a title fight because you know dude is gonna just lay on each other all fight.

I like Okami, he wrestles but recently he's been bringing it. Kos is a wrestler but he brings it. Ben Henderson is a wrestler but he brings it. So, I ain't hating.

THE_BIG_HURT
06-05-2011, 09:03 PM
I can agree it's lost some stream but I don't think it's becoming uninteresting to watch at all. I think it's lost steam since the UFC 80's. Their's been good fights since then but not as consistent as their use to be because of a combo of things.

Fighters don't get paid enough and it's becoming acceptable to play it safe to win. A few years ago and before it was all about finishing fights. Everybody wanted to be the next Rampage, the next GSP back when he was exciting, the next shogun, now everybody just wants to lay on each other.

I'm telling you if they switched the rules over to Japanesse rules it'd be one of the best sports out there up there with with the NBA and the NFL. Wrestling shouldn't win you fights, although it's a great asset to help you win but if your just laying there praying not to get KO'd or submitted that's just ridiculous.

I was just talking with my cousin about this last night. We watch both MMA and Boxing (our true loyalty does lay with boxing though) and i was all about Guida getting this win but him laying there was just tough to watch. I used to argue with people who didnt watch boxing because they claimed "boxers just hold and hug eachother the whole time" now it seems these wrestlers are killing the mma game with their "holding and hugging"

Guida/Pettis
Noguiera/Davis
GSP/Koshcheck are just a few of the bigger fights recently that put people to sleep because one guy just decided to out "wrestle" the other.

$BloodyNate$
06-05-2011, 09:40 PM
They do get paid enough. If your gonna tell me you can't live off 5k for 2 months, something is wrong with the way you live. Nick got paid 175k for beating Daley and not to long before that he was claiming he was broke. C'mon now, you can't live off that money for more than a month? Not to mention their walking billboard status, 17 sponsors on their pants. That's free product(clothes etc.) and money.


Regarding topic: As for the UFC becoming uninteresting. It's true. I really don't want to watch anyone that I don't already like. Because the guys I like are generally gonna bring it. Not lay on dudes for 3-5 rounds. It's sad when you can't even watch a title fight because you know dude is gonna just lay on each other all fight.

I like Okami, he wrestles but recently he's been bringing it. Kos is a wrestler but he brings it. Ben Henderson is a wrestler but he brings it. So, I ain't hating.

Thats the thing though, should they really have to be like a normal person and have to budget to do what they love to do when boxers are making a lot more? I mean it'd be smart and I see your point but it still ain't fair. I get you shouldn't get greedy since they have to pay more fighters then boxing and show more fights but here's how I see it.

$5,000 is what I think they should be paying all TUF contestants to support them after it's over. Most of the ones who's deserve a second look if they lose in the semi's of the house tournament usually get a fight on ****e tv anyways.

But for prelims of ****e TV cards...

-I think rookies or low level prelim fighters $10-15,000
-High level prelim fighters should get $15-25,000.
-Low level main card fighters $25-35,000.
-High level main card fighters $35-45,000 which what they paid Carwin to fight Lesnar, disgusting.
-1st-2nd time main eventers $40-55,000.
-Low level main eventer $55-65,000.
-Then high level main eventers $65-no more then probably $100,000 because sometimes they do have a guy like Lil Nog or Sanchez in the main event. They could even justify getting 200-250,000 since they have fought for a title and had big fights in major past MMA cards.

For PPV's...

-Low level prelim fighter get about $15-$25,000
-High Level prelim fighter $25-$50,000
-Low level main card $50-$200,000.
-High level main card $250,000 up to a few million maybe it's a just recent champion.
-Main eventers & co-main eventers should at least get a million or 2. Even more depending on if their champion, even more if their multiple time defending champions like Edgar, GSP, Silva.


I was just talking with my cousin about this last night. We watch both MMA and Boxing (our true loyalty does lay with boxing though) and i was all about Guida getting this win but him laying there was just tough to watch. I used to argue with people who didnt watch boxing because they claimed "boxers just hold and hug eachother the whole time" now it seems these wrestlers are killing the mma game with their "holding and hugging"

Guida/Pettis
Noguiera/Davis
GSP/Koshcheck are just a few of the bigger fights recently that put people to sleep because one guy just decided to out "wrestle" the other.

I couldn't agree more. I like them both equally and can appreciate everything about them but both have their good and *****ty fights at times. It's not like one's more consistent then the other.

I just think if they had japanesse type scoring and rules and people knew they couldn't just lay on you and you could win by multiple submission attempts off your back we'd be seeing much better fights since they would know every little thing counts not just takedowns but what happens after. I don't like control being apart of the scoring unless everything is equal. Like Grispi-Roop last night that first round was pretty much full of good strikes from the bottom from Roop and submission attempts by Grispi, they were equal in that too me so I would give that round to Grispi for them takedowns.

F l i c k e r
06-05-2011, 10:30 PM
Thats the thing though, should they really have to be like a normal person and have to budget to do what they love to do when boxers are making a lot more? I mean it'd be smart and I see your point but it still ain't fair. I get you shouldn't get greedy since they have to pay more fighters then boxing and show more fights but here's how I see it.

$5,000 is what I think they should be paying all TUF contestants to support them after it's over. Most of the ones who's deserve a second look if they lose in the semi's of the house tournament usually get a fight on ****e tv anyways.

But for prelims of ****e TV cards...

-I think rookies or low level prelim fighters $10-15,000
-High level prelim fighters should get $15-25,000.
-Low level main card fighters $25-35,000.
-High level main card fighters $35-45,000 which what they paid Carwin to fight Lesnar, disgusting.
-1st-2nd time main eventers $40-55,000.
-Low level main eventer $55-65,000.
-Then high level main eventers $65-no more then probably $100,000 because sometimes they do have a guy like Lil Nog or Sanchez in the main event. They could even justify getting 200-250,000 since they have fought for a title and had big fights in major past MMA cards.

For PPV's...

-Low level prelim fighter get about $15-$25,000
-High Level prelim fighter $25-$50,000
-Low level main card $50-$200,000.
-High level main card $250,000 up to a few million maybe it's a just recent champion.
-Main eventers & co-main eventers should at least get a million or 2. Even more depending on if their champion, even more if their multiple time defending champions like Edgar, GSP, Silva.


I see what you mean but one payout we never see is the ticket gate and ppv sells. We never hear how much money fighters get from that revenue. In boxing we hear all the time about how Floyd gets so and so a cut of the gate. Where as UFC we never hear that.

I think UFC fighters may be getting paid more than we think. Think about it, what was the payouts for Affliction fights? Every dude was getting like 20-30k for fighting. Yet no one jumps ship from UFC to affliction?

Maybe that's why UFC fighters look like they get paid peanuts but all own houses and apparently don't do anything but live at the gym. lol

elgranluchadore
06-05-2011, 11:15 PM
yeah the last 3 or so main events have been crap but carwin vs dos santos that is gonna be good i pray

pbmike
06-06-2011, 01:23 AM
I'd like to see more 5 round fights. A lot of the time, 3 rounders don't really prove who the better fighter is.

they cant even fight for 3 rounds most fighters get tired smh 15min gased boxers 36 min, and all this should take out wrestling then what u got is thai fighting i admit its brutal but why not watch two guy fight with there hands wearing 10oz gloves that inflicts pain instead of 4oz so u can catch somebody with a lucky punch and ko them so you can really see whos better. and best thing yet a 10 - 8 round when u get knocked down, makes it more interesting that will be a great sport just my opinion

F l i c k e r
06-06-2011, 02:04 AM
they cant even fight for 3 rounds most fighters get tired smh 15min gased boxers 36 min, and all this should take out wrestling then what u got is thai fighting i admit its brutal but why not watch two guy fight with there hands wearing 10oz gloves that inflicts pain instead of 4oz so u can catch somebody with a lucky punch and ko them so you can really see whos better. and best thing yet a 10 - 8 round when u get knocked down, makes it more interesting that will be a great sport just my opinion

i don't know. why enter a topic about something you don't like?

RichardPerez
06-06-2011, 04:38 AM
the rest of the card sucked just as much... be real.

Kimo
06-06-2011, 08:58 AM
The fight was not as bad as people say! There was some great groundwork, reversals...Pettis was constantly working for submissions and almost succeeded. It's more the result that's frustrating...cos Guida won without doing any damage at all.