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Uselesspoop
06-03-2011, 09:06 PM
Yesterday i sparred for the first time in the gym. I prefer to box and move around. My hands are usually not covering my face as i finds that it limits my movements and i just feel awkward with my hands at my face.

The boxing coach is pretty unhappy and constantly tells me i am not muhammad ali and asks me to keep my hands up...

I started boxing 2 years ago, joined for 1 month, quit for 2 years, and about a month ago, my friends and i brought gloves to school to spar. I've always used a style similar to muhammad ali, floy may weather...

What should i do? I don't think i want to ever switch styles..

Gio
06-03-2011, 09:38 PM
Many things you do in boxing are not natural and feel awkward at first. You havent even developed a "style" with one month of training. Listen to YOUR boxing coach. I'm damn certain he knows more about the game than you do.

killsomething
06-04-2011, 02:06 AM
Yesterday i sparred for the first time in the gym. I prefer to box and move around. My hands are usually not covering my face as i finds that it limits my movements and i just feel awkward with my hands at my face.

The boxing coach is pretty unhappy and constantly tells me i am not muhammad ali and asks me to keep my hands up...

I started boxing 2 years ago, joined for 1 month, quit for 2 years, and about a month ago, my friends and i brought gloves to school to spar. I've always used a style similar to muhammad ali, floy may weather...

What should i do? I don't think i want to ever switch styles..

It's your first time sparring. You don't even have a style. Ask the trainer to put you in with a guy who has over 3 fights and see what he does to you.

When you're that new you HAVE to keep your hands up, you're just not good or experienced enough to avoid all the shots with your reflexes. It only takes one good one to get through.

Bullrush
06-04-2011, 02:36 AM
thats what every coach is saying to people that havent proven themselfs and drop their hands in sparring. ive been told that as well, everybody drops their hands. and your coach is right when he says that. youre not ali. only skilled fighters like sergio martinez can get away with dropping their hands like that, it takes many years (if youre gonna get it at all) to have this ability. if you do that early on you will get used to it without even having the skills to do that and the first time you spar somebody who can really box he will pick you apart.

so get used to placing your hands on your face and build a shell when danger is imminent. you dont have to run around in a peek a boo style but in close range do whats best for you and protect your face properly, so get your hands up. once you get used to the timing, once you understand anticipating shots and once you see them coming you can start dropping your hands a little and instead move your head and then counter. but again, you cant do any of that right now if you just started out with sparring. keep sparring and eventually you will get there

major handz
06-04-2011, 02:39 AM
It means you have to crawl before you walk.

eventually you will develop your true style but start with the basics .

Uselesspoop
06-04-2011, 06:03 AM
thank you very much guys, i finally understand his reasons now. i will try to remember to keep my hands up. thanks!

TheAuthority
06-05-2011, 07:22 AM
I must admit, I do find it very annoying when inexperienced lads try to be all fancy.

I coach a guy who also thinks he his Muhammed Ali. He just won't keep his front hand up. I wouldn't mind if he knew what he was doing (I'm happy for some of our boxers to keep their hands down at times - but these lads know what they are doing). What annoys me the most about him is that he is more concerned about looking the part than actually using this style to beat his opponents.

Do you fight with your hands down because you genuinely find you are more effective or because you think it makes you LOOK more stylish?

If your coach wants you to fight with the high guard then do as he says. Ask yourself this: Who knows more about boxing? If you know more than him, find a new coach.

Another point worth mentioning, most coaches like to work with lads who listen to them. I will always go out of my way to make time for lads who listen. If a boxer doesn't listen to me, what is the point of me trying to teach him???

Good luck.

bernardotelo
06-05-2011, 07:48 AM
dang how could anyone be like muhammad ali ? only if you were stupid would you want such a thing

Uselesspoop
06-05-2011, 11:42 AM
@TheAuthority

thanks for your input! Honestly, i feel that it is more effective for me when i have my hands down at my chest level. I naturally like to move around and love to jab alot.

Being fancy is not important to me. I love the way Mike Tyson fights but i never try to follow his way because it just doesn't feel right.

I am more of a defensive counter puncher and i like pernell whitaker/floyd/muhammad ali.

thanks all and now i will try my best to follow my coach wishes and keep my hands up all time!

BOXING'SSAVIOR
06-05-2011, 01:00 PM
op, post back here after a sparring session with a serious amature

....hes going to be like :hitit: ; bc ur leaving ur face open and ur just depending on reflex.

some people can get away with it, but very few.

keep ur guard up.

after u learn ur range and ur oppenents, u can drop ur hand if ur out of his range, but b sure to throw ur gaurd up as he closes in (which a lot of times can b faster than u notice; therefore ur getting slumpd :boxing: )


good luck with ur boxing goals for 2011

TheAuthority
06-05-2011, 05:21 PM
@TheAuthority

thanks for your input! Honestly, i feel that it is more effective for me when i have my hands down at my chest level. I naturally like to move around and love to jab alot.

Being fancy is not important to me. I love the way Mike Tyson fights but i never try to follow his way because it just doesn't feel right.

I am more of a defensive counter puncher and i like pernell whitaker/floyd/muhammad ali.

thanks all and now i will try my best to follow my coach wishes and keep my hands up all time!

Watch the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmBD9k7a6I&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Listen what the coach say from 2:10 onwards (in fact just watch the whole video - this coach really knows his stuff - and watch the rest too) regarding "playing" about with your front hand.

You may find this style effective and your coach may be happy for you to use this style too. You still have some protection but you also have a bit of freedom - a happy medium.

Ignoring your coach is likely to result in him ignoring you.

Hope this is of use mate.

F l i c k e r
06-05-2011, 05:28 PM
lol that's what coaches do. My friend was stationed in korea and went to a boxing gym out there and he uses the shoulder roll. He used it at the gym to spar and the coach told him "that style... no good." :rofl:

That's just what coaches do. Until you prove that you can efficiently use that style a.k.a win with it, then he will continue to harp on you about it.

them_apples
06-07-2011, 02:42 AM
@TheAuthority

thanks for your input! Honestly, i feel that it is more effective for me when i have my hands down at my chest level. I naturally like to move around and love to jab alot.

Being fancy is not important to me. I love the way Mike Tyson fights but i never try to follow his way because it just doesn't feel right.

I am more of a defensive counter puncher and i like pernell whitaker/floyd/muhammad ali.

thanks all and now i will try my best to follow my coach wishes and keep my hands up all time!

everyone feels more comfortable with their hands down at first..just like many feel more comfortable as a southpaw with the strong hand forward..your not special in this sense, It's just because you aren't conditioned enough to keep your hands up right now.. Listen to your coach. Once you get in with someone good you will realize you can't get away with this and you'll have no fundamentals to fall back on.

Cuauhtémoc1520
06-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Let me explain it in a way you can understand. It's the same reason you don't put a child on a bicycle without training wheels at first. If you do they will fall and seriously hurt themselves.

Floyd Mayweather, Ali, Roy Jones Jr, didn't just start boxing that way, they started the same way everyone else does, doing it the fundamental way.

LISTEN TO YOUR COACH, he understands this and is trying to teach you the fundamentals. I don't know who you are sparring but you come to my gym and fight with your hands down, your going to get KO'd unless you are Mayweather, Ali or Sergio Martinez.

It takes YEARS to develop the style those guys have.....YEARS.

Your going to get hurt in the long run and aren't learning anything with what you are doing and wasting your time and the time of your coach. If you have the athletic ability to pull that style off, then you will master it in the future, but for now you must learn to crawl before you can fly.