View Full Version : How long would it take (to train at boxing) and be able to defend yourself?


kyzz
06-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I have zero background in fighting (or any of the martial arts), I work out here and there but that's as far as that goes.

Over the last 4 months (that short of time) I've been involved in three fights with a bunch of dumb, homophobic, usually (drunk) idiots, and after reading a lot of articles/interviews/etc I saw boxing recommended over and over (stuff like Muay Thai was too, but I'm really just concerned with being able to punch and take a punch).

So basically my question is how long will it take (assuming I join a club and go for 3 days a week) for me to be able to defend myself against 99% of thugs (who's lives consist of nothing more than starting **** with people). You know the kind of people I'm talking about....

Would I need to go hard and practice for, say, 3 months (3x a week)? 6 months (3x a week)? I just want to learn enough to defend myself and of course, after I reach that level, will probably go a few times a month to brush up on anything.

Thanks for the help

fordhamboxing
06-01-2011, 10:38 PM
Six months of boxing consistently (depends on how easy you learn) and you'll hold your own. Two years and you'll fvck up just about anybody but another, more experienced boxer. I've been boxing 2 years and I haven't gotten into a fist fight since I started. I've sparred friends though and it hasn't been pretty for them.

Josh_Shing
06-02-2011, 02:01 AM
My suggestion, and i know from experience, try learning tactics and moves that will actually work in the street. I love boxing and i've always been interested in it since i was a kid, long before i learned some karate or when Pacquiao blazed the scene, but boxing is a sport and learning just boxing won't always work. It's different when you're fighting in the ring and when you're in the street. There's things you're not allowed to do in the ring and when you're in the street, you can do whatever that'll protect you from your attacker. Of course, boxing will toughen you up and it'll do a hell of a lot of good for you, but just remember that you can do a lot more in the street than just punch. What if the guy has a knife? If you're quick on your feet, it's best to run because maybe you can out run them and not need to fight. Because honestly, what are the chances your attacker is as conditioned as you are? But if it doesn't work, you gotta know how to block/parry/disarm someone with a knife. You also won't have any headgear or gloves when you're in the street (I assume) so blocking with your hands won't be quite as easy. I guess basically what i'm trying to say is, draw techniques from other fighting styles as well while you're learning boxing. Hell, i heard pacquiao has been practicing a punch from Bruce Lee (the quick, body strike you often see him do when he warms up) It's seen as 'dirty boxing', but the streets are dirty too.

But really, at all costs, especially if you're not really in to the fighting to spend years training, stay away from street fights. Just learn enough to defend yourself and try to gain respect in the hood you're in.

Rockin'
06-02-2011, 02:07 AM
6 months and your still a beginner. I would say that in my 4th year I became pretty confident about what I could do. In that time I had won titles in the Golden Gloves and Diamond Gloves in Detroit. There is alot to learn in the ring and alot of different styles that you will encounter and have to learn to deal with. Now later on when I turned pro I had full confidence in myself and my skills should I have ended up in a scrap. Now that took years and years of hard work and dedication.

If you are joining boxing so that you can learn to fight and then go into the streets and kick some ass you're going about it the wrong way. What's to gain in a street fight besides cracked knuckles and possibly getting shot or stabbed. You know that once you kick a bullies ass theres going to be one who is bigger and badder than the last who will step up and start with you, it's a never ending cycle. If you want to fight then fight in the ring where you can do it with pride and dignity. The fools who fight in the street only fight against people they figure don't know how to fight and people that they figure they can beat up. The people who really know how to fight will be down at a gym fighting other people who know how to fight. If those fools on the street could really fight then they would be in the gym fighting people who can fight.

Nothing will truely ever be gained from a street fight......Rockin':boxing:

Rockin'
06-02-2011, 02:18 AM
My suggestion, and i know from experience, try learning tactics and moves that will actually work in the street. I love boxing and i've always been interested in it since i was a kid, long before i learned some karate or when Pacquiao blazed the scene, but boxing is a sport and learning just boxing won't always work. It's different when you're fighting in the ring and when you're in the street. There's things you're not allowed to do in the ring and when you're in the street, you can do whatever that'll protect you from your attacker. Of course, boxing will toughen you up and it'll do a hell of a lot of good for you, but just remember that you can do a lot more in the street than just punch. What if the guy has a knife? If you're quick on your feet, it's best to run because maybe you can out run them and not need to fight. Because honestly, what are the chances your attacker is as conditioned as you are? But if it doesn't work, you gotta know how to block/parry/disarm someone with a knife. You also won't have any headgear or gloves when you're in the street (I assume) so blocking with your hands won't be quite as easy. I guess basically what i'm trying to say is, draw techniques from other fighting styles as well while you're learning boxing. Hell, i heard pacquiao has been practicing a punch from Bruce Lee (the quick, body strike you often see him do when he warms up) It's seen as 'dirty boxing', but the streets are dirty too.
with those words you're just:wank:................Rockin':boxing:

kyzz
06-02-2011, 01:38 PM
If you are joining boxing so that you can learn to fight and then go into the streets and kick some ass you're going about it the wrong way. What's to gain in a street fight besides cracked knuckles and possibly getting shot or stabbed. You know that once you kick a bullies ass theres going to be one who is bigger and badder than the last who will step up and start with you, it's a never ending cycle. If you want to fight then fight in the ring where you can do it with pride and dignity. The fools who fight in the street only fight against people they figure don't know how to fight and people that they figure they can beat up. The people who really know how to fight will be down at a gym fighting other people who know how to fight. If those fools on the street could really fight then they would be in the gym fighting people who can fight.

Nothing will truely ever be gained from a street fight......Rockin':boxing:

Honestly I don't go out LOOKING for fights, I dont want to fight, I just want to learn to defend myself. I mean what do you do when some guy comes up to your table at a Pizza shop (for example) and tells you to "****ing get out of his seat" (when he never sat there to begin with). I suppose I could just leave and give him what he wants, but I'd rather give him what he deserves.

But of course, like Josh said, the best thing to do (in most cases) is to avoid the fight at all costs and that's something (whether I learn boxing or not) I will do.

..David..
06-02-2011, 02:13 PM
Joining a boxing gym and seriously training for that purpose only ?

Buy yourself a tazer or a Baton and you will do better.

Learning the sweet science its not an easy task.

Toy Story 3
06-02-2011, 03:31 PM
It all depends on how good you can focus and how fast you pick it up. Some learn faster than others. Don't worry about all that. Just go in there and take your time. It's a confidence you build from training and sparring. To learn how to take a good hit you gotta spar. Getting hit never feels good but sparring will toughin you up. Boxing helps with self defense but if the street fight goes to the ground, they have a weapon, or it's people tryna jump you, boxing may become irrelevant. It all depends on the situation.

Josh_Shing
06-02-2011, 03:34 PM
with those words you're just:wank:................Rockin':boxing:

Seriously? You're going to reply with THAT? Rockin', listen, i respect you and thank you for giving me tips on my shadow boxing because you helped point out something i neglected to see, but with a reply like that you give me the vibe that you're just a kid. Maybe your head just wasn't on straight at the time, idk. I've got no serious beef with you even after you said that though, know that. kyzz just wants self-defense. He's not that in to learning the sweet science. What i said were just words that could maybe help him in his situation with a realistic point of view. If he wants, he can learn boxing and challenge his bullies to a fight in the ring instead of doing it in the street. That's a way for respect to be earned.

Honestly, i'm a little concerned for your sake kyzz. If you taze his ass in front of his friends, he might come back with a gun. Take care, peace.

Rockin'
06-02-2011, 10:59 PM
Seriously? You're going to reply with THAT? Rockin', listen, i respect you and thank you for giving me tips on my shadow boxing because you helped point out something i neglected to see, but with a reply like that you give me the vibe that you're just a kid. Maybe your head just wasn't on straight at the time, idk. I've got no serious beef with you even after you said that though, know that. kyzz just wants self-defense. He's not that in to learning the sweet science. What i said were just words that could maybe help him in his situation with a realistic point of view. If he wants, he can learn boxing and challenge his bullies to a fight in the ring instead of doing it in the street. That's a way for respect to be earned.

Honestly, i'm a little concerned for your sake kyzz. If you taze his ass in front of his friends, he might come back with a gun. Take care, peace.



In my opinion your telling him that he should learn different moves to go out and engage in these idiotic fights, almost encouraging him as though it can be done. And while it is possible that it could be done, it's essentially futile. "My suggestion, and i know from experience, try learning tactics and moves that will actually work in the street." I am no kid and while I may have shot back negatively with the comment and gesture I still feel I said what needed to be said, if it offended you then you understand how I felt reading your reply to him.

Why even try to put confidence in him when "knowing from experience" you know that fighting in the street is worthless. Beat his ass one day and he comes back with a knife. Beat his ass again and he comes back with 3 friends and a gun, it's never ending. If he is in a situation were he HAS to fight what will be will be. But there are truely few situations were fighting is the only option. I learned my trade so that I wouldn't have to fight in the streets. And you know what, I never really had too..........Rockin':boxing:

killsomething
06-02-2011, 11:13 PM
Let me preface this by saying that I have zero background in fighting (or any of the martial arts), I work out here and there but that's as far as that goes.

Over the last 4 months (that short of time) I've been involved in three fights with a bunch of dumb, homophobic, usually (drunk) idiots, and after reading a lot of articles/interviews/etc I saw boxing recommended over and over (stuff like Muay Thai was too, but I'm really just concerned with being able to punch and take a punch).

So basically my question is how long will it take (assuming I join a club and go for 3 days a week) for me to be able to defend myself against 99% of thugs (who's lives consist of nothing more than starting **** with people). You know the kind of people I'm talking about....

Would I need to go hard and practice for, say, 3 months (3x a week)? 6 months (3x a week)? I just want to learn enough to defend myself and of course, after I reach that level, will probably go a few times a month to brush up on anything.

Thanks for the help

It completely depends on you. You'll make quicker progress joining a track club anyway. You're never safe in a streetfight, remember that. In it or after it.

killsomething
06-02-2011, 11:23 PM
I mean what do you do when some guy comes up to your table at a Pizza shop (for example) and tells you to "****ing get out of his seat" (when he never sat there to begin with).

You calmly lay a large knife on the table, finish chewing, and say "I'd prefer not to."

Josh_Shing
06-02-2011, 11:46 PM
In my opinion your telling him that he should learn different moves to go out and engage in these idiotic fights, almost encouraging him as though it can be done.

:pat: Dude that's completely the opposite of what i was trying to say. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but the point of my previous messages was to get him to learn self defense IN CASE OF SITUATIONS WHERE HE HAS TO DEFEND HIMSELF. Going around the neighborhood looking for fights is like having a death wish. I may have had my share of street fights, but never did i look for them. I used what i knew to defend myself and my friends when i needed to and only did enough to subdue my attacker. I always tried to make peace in the end, and it worked out for me in the end. I'm not saying what worked for me will work for him, i'm just tossing suggestions for what he could do. Hell, the majority of the time when i was bullied, i cracked a joke cuz i was a bit of a smart ass in school.

I actually like killsomething's idea for what to say when he's eating at the pizza shop again. Another one could be "Buy me a slice of pepperoni and i'll go". If he happens to be one of those that spits on it before he gives it to you, take it, and give it to one of his friends that didn't see the spitting and say "hey i couldn't finish this its yours" or something, and then leave. That way the bully spent/wasted money and his friend ate spit pizza lol. :firedevil

Young Money
06-02-2011, 11:51 PM
If you are seriously interested in defending yourself on the street with boxing, I reccomend reading the following books:


Championship Streetfighting: Boxing As A Martial Art
Ned Beaumont

http://www.amazon.com/Championship-Streetfighting-Boxing-Martial-Art/dp/0873649346


The Savage Science Of Streetfighting: Applying The Lessons Of Championship Boxing To Serious Street Survival
Ned Beaumont

http://www.amazon.com/Savage-Science-Streetfighting-Applying-Championship/dp/1581601239/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b


They are both available on Amazon and give some good boxing skills that are applicable to the street.

If you're short on cash then get the 'The Savage Science Of Streetfighting: Applying The Lessons Of Championship Boxing To Serious Street Survival' which is the second book he wrote and encompasses some of the first book.

Rockin'
06-02-2011, 11:53 PM
:pat: Dude that's completely the opposite of what i was trying to say. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but the point of my previous messages was to get him to learn self defense IN CASE OF SITUATIONS WHERE HE HAS TO DEFEND HIMSELF. Going around the neighborhood looking for fights is like having a death wish. I may have had my share of street fights, but never did i look for them. I used what i knew to defend myself and my friends when i needed to and only did enough to subdue my attacker. I always tried to make peace in the end, and it worked out for me in the end. I'm not saying what worked for me will work for him, i'm just tossing suggestions for what he could do. Hell, the majority of the time when i was bullied, i cracked a joke cuz i was a bit of a smart ass in school.

I actually like killsomething's idea for what to say when he's eating at the pizza shop again. Another one could be "Buy me a slice of pepperoni and i'll go". If he happens to be one of those that spits on it before he gives it to you, take it, and give it to one of his friends that didn't see the spitting and say "hey i couldn't finish this its yours" or something, and then leave. That way the bully spent/wasted money and his friend ate spit pizza lol. :firedevil

We both have the same views, except for giving a piece of pizza that had been spit on to a friend.

I guess that I misunderstood your original post, my bad..............Rockin':boxing:

Rockin'
06-02-2011, 11:57 PM
If you are seriously interested in defending yourself on the street with boxing, I reccomend reading the following books:


Championship Streetfighting: Boxing As A Martial Art
Ned Beaumont

http://www.amazon.com/Championship-Streetfighting-Boxing-Martial-Art/dp/0873649346


The Savage Science Of Streetfighting: Applying The Lessons Of Championship Boxing To Serious Street Survival
Ned Beaumont

http://www.amazon.com/Savage-Science-Streetfighting-Applying-Championship/dp/1581601239/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b


They are both available on Amazon and give some good boxing skills that are applicable to the street.

If you're short on cash then get the 'The Savage Science Of Streetfighting: Applying The Lessons Of Championship Boxing To Serious Street Survival' which is the second book he wrote and encompasses some of the first book.

books will never teach anybody to fight. Training in a gym with seasoned instructors and sparring with others will help to teach you...........Rockin':boxing:

Young Money
06-03-2011, 12:01 AM
books will never teach anybody to fight. Training in a gym with seasoned instructors and sparring with others will help to teach you...........Rockin':boxing:

The books are to compliment his boxing training - I never said to only read them and forget about hitting the gym.

Learning how to box and fighting on the street are 2 different things which he needs to understand.

Rockin'
06-03-2011, 12:10 AM
The books are to compliment his boxing training - I never said to only read them and forget about hitting the gym.

Learning how to box and fighting on the street are 2 different things which he needs to understand.

The kid has no training at all, zero. Mentioning books at this time is just rediculous.

Now granted, reading these books could put some innovative ideas in his head but that's it.............Rockin':boxing:

Young Money
06-03-2011, 12:20 AM
The kid has no training at all, zero. Mentioning books at this time is just rediculous.

Now granted, reading these books could put some innovative ideas in his head but that's it.............Rockin':boxing:

Again, the books are to compliment his training.

He can train and learn how to box all day but his primary goal is being able to handle himself on the street - these are 2 different things.

I box and I've read these books, I can tell him from personal experience they are useful at any level of experience.

Rockin'
06-03-2011, 12:26 AM
Again, the books are to compliment his training.

He can train and learn how to box all day but his primary goal is being able to handle himself on the street - these are 2 different things.

I box and I've read these books, I can tell him from personal experience they are useful at any level of experience.

whatever floats your boat man...........Rockin':boxing:

Young Money
06-03-2011, 01:21 AM
whatever floats your boat man...........Rockin':boxing:

lol it seems I touched a nerve, just need to keep an open mind :boxing:

Rockin'
06-03-2011, 01:40 AM
lol it seems I touched a nerve, just need to keep an open mind :boxing:

Lol, the only thing that you are touching is yourself in believing the b.s that you write. I have an open mind but when somebody tells me that you can learn to fight from a book it's pure b.s. Anyway, I would doubt that you've boxed for any real period of time and would have used moves you've learned in street fights.

When I find that I'm dealing with a young kid who thinks he knows everything I just grow bored, laugh and walk away. LOL,................Rockin':boxing:

Young Money
06-03-2011, 03:03 AM
Lol, the only thing that you are touching is yourself in believing the b.s that you write. I have an open mind but when somebody tells me that you can learn to fight from a book it's pure b.s. Anyway, I would doubt that you've boxed for any real period of time and would have used moves you've learned in street fights.

When I find that I'm dealing with a young kid who thinks he knows everything I just grow bored, laugh and walk away. LOL,................Rockin':boxing:

Rockin' no need to get aggressive, if you actually read what I wrote, and I have repeated many times, you cannot learn how to fight from simply reading a book, it is a tool to help compliment your boxing training. Mabye a lesson in comprehension and humility is in check?

Rockin'
06-03-2011, 09:55 AM
Rockin' no need to get aggressive, if you actually read what I wrote, and I have repeated many times, you cannot learn how to fight from simply reading a book, it is a tool to help compliment your boxing training. Mabye a lesson in comprehension and humility is in check?

I still stand that a book won't teach you a thing. Ask any world champion, contender, etc if they ever learned anything about how to fight in a ring from a book. If you find one let me know. And what I wrote had no aggression in it, people with more than a year on the site could vouch for that.

I do however like how you come acrossed all calm and victim like and then end your posts shooting a smart ass remark or two at me. Take your book fighting to the playground where it might do you some good...........Rockin':boxing:

Be_kind_rewind
06-04-2011, 12:10 AM
6 months and your still a beginner. I would say that in my 4th year I became pretty confident about what I could do. In that time I had won titles in the Golden Gloves and Diamond Gloves in Detroit. There is alot to learn in the ring and alot of different styles that you will encounter and have to learn to deal with. Now later on when I turned pro I had full confidence in myself and my skills should I have ended up in a scrap. Now that took years and years of hard work and dedication.

If you are joining boxing so that you can learn to fight and then go into the streets and kick some ass you're going about it the wrong way. What's to gain in a street fight besides cracked knuckles and possibly getting shot or stabbed. You know that once you kick a bullies ass theres going to be one who is bigger and badder than the last who will step up and start with you, it's a never ending cycle. If you want to fight then fight in the ring where you can do it with pride and dignity. The fools who fight in the street only fight against people they figure don't know how to fight and people that they figure they can beat up. The people who really know how to fight will be down at a gym fighting other people who know how to fight. If those fools on the street could really fight then they would be in the gym fighting people who can fight.

Nothing will truely ever be gained from a street fight......Rockin':boxing:


I hate this guy he's so ****in awesome... Do you get gloves with a diamond in it?

Rockin'
06-04-2011, 12:56 AM
I hate this guy he's so ****in awesome... Do you get gloves with a diamond in it?


I recieved a trophey, a couple of t-shirts and a dat-a-boy with a rap on the back.......... no diamond...........Rockin':boxing:

Clegg
06-04-2011, 01:17 AM
I'm not an experienced boxer, but I'd say 3 things:

1. The boxing training I did do (just over a year) gave me better co-ordination/movement and a basic understanding of punching. So I think even limited experience may be beneficial in self-defense situations.

2. The key word in the above point is 'may'. The last street fight I had, I probably looked no more experience than any random person because I lost my temper and composure and just repeatedly threw sloppy right hands. I think you need the right mentality in order to use controlled-aggression, otherwise your training might be for nothing. But like I say, I don't have that much experience and I lost my temper. Maybe the majority of people have maintained technique in a situation like that.

3. If you like boxing and think you'd enjoy the training, go for it. But if you don't enjoy it then I doubt you'll do it for long, even if it does help in the street. Most people who get into anything for the wrong reasons usually don't stick at it.

moal
06-04-2011, 02:31 PM
Maybe if you don't carry yourself like a b*tch noone will want to fight you.

Reggie Miller
06-04-2011, 05:50 PM
I think it would be easier to learn just how to throw straight punches.

Just about every streetfight I've seen, theres been guys throwing wild looping shots and I always see these videos and wish one day someone would throw a shot straight down the pipe and end the fight.

Boxing is good for self defence because most boxers, am or pro can KO just about anyone with one punch to the jaw, but its also dangerous because your boxing training can be used against you if you go to court and you could possible be given a harsher sentence because of it.

I'd still learn to box properly if I were you, because when you're in the heat of battle, your mind and body go through alot, you need to learn to be calm and control your breathing when your adrenaline is flowing and punches are being thrown. Along with learning how to throw correct punches and also receiving punishment but still continuing to fight, you'll learn alot.

I'd work more on ****in someones body up then shots to the chin/face, I knew a guy in my gym class who KO'd a guy with one punch in the street and he fell backwards, smacked his head about as hard as you can when hit.... and died 6 days later. He's in jail now.

Also remember that boxing/fighting isn't just physical, its a mental game too.

killsomething
06-05-2011, 01:26 AM
I'd work more on ****in someones body up then shots to the chin/face, I knew a guy in my gym class who KO'd a guy with one punch in the street and he fell backwards, smacked his head about as hard as you can when hit.... and died 6 days later. He's in jail now.

Yeah but I bet the other guy called him a ***git first so he had it coming..

Right?...

andrefabre
06-12-2011, 03:21 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I have zero background in fighting (or any of the martial arts), I work out here and there but that's as far as that goes.

Over the last 4 months (that short of time) I've been involved in three fights with a bunch of dumb, homophobic, usually (drunk) idiots, and after reading a lot of articles/interviews/etc I saw boxing recommended over and over (stuff like Muay Thai was too, but I'm really just concerned with being able to punch and take a punch).

So basically my question is how long will it take (assuming I join a club and go for 3 days a week) for me to be able to defend myself against 99% of thugs (who's lives consist of nothing more than starting **** with people). You know the kind of people I'm talking about....

Would I need to go hard and practice for, say, 3 months (3x a week)? 6 months (3x a week)? I just want to learn enough to defend myself and of course, after I reach that level, will probably go a few times a month to brush up on anything.

Thanks for the help

reply:6months/6days a week with proper coaching/when you reach a good level of defense 3 days a week to continue to keep in shape!coach andre:andrefabre@hotmail.com

JoHnNyBoXeR
06-12-2011, 03:54 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I have zero background in fighting (or any of the martial arts), I work out here and there but that's as far as that goes.

Over the last 4 months (that short of time) I've been involved in three fights with a bunch of dumb, homophobic, usually (drunk) idiots, and after reading a lot of articles/interviews/etc I saw boxing recommended over and over (stuff like Muay Thai was too, but I'm really just concerned with being able to punch and take a punch).

So basically my question is how long will it take (assuming I join a club and go for 3 days a week) for me to be able to defend myself against 99% of thugs (who's lives consist of nothing more than starting **** with people). You know the kind of people I'm talking about....

Would I need to go hard and practice for, say, 3 months (3x a week)? 6 months (3x a week)? I just want to learn enough to defend myself and of course, after I reach that level, will probably go a few times a month to brush up on anything.

Thanks for the help

It will take however long it takes until u feel comfortable in your stance and throwing punches. Depends on the individual