View Full Version : Jess Willard vs. David Haye


BigStereotype
05-28-2011, 10:13 PM
Who wins this ugly matchup? I think Haye, just based on certain athletic superiority, but Willard could punch his head off with a well-placed uppercut. It would probably be a clinch-fest, but it's probably going to be a pretty cool knockout.

Barn
05-28-2011, 10:15 PM
David Haye Mid rounds KO.

DarkTerror88
05-28-2011, 10:21 PM
Unless Haye needs to shield his eyes from the sun i like him in a mid/late round KO

Scott9945
05-28-2011, 11:01 PM
We'll know so much more about Haye in fives weeks. But since I have a low opinion of Willard I'll pick him by decision for now.

The Surgeon
05-30-2011, 02:15 PM
Haye outclasses him then stops him

La_Vibora
05-30-2011, 04:55 PM
Willard KOs Haye in the 23rd round.

Sheppirino
05-30-2011, 09:22 PM
I'll go with Haye by 6th rnd KO or less. Haye wouldn't fight him with the early ferocity that Dempsey did but he'd hurt him nonetheless.

I really never really had a high opinion on Willard. To me he was just a big guy without much skill. Kind of like Primo Carnera (don't know if I spelled his name right). Sure he beat Johnson but Jack was already past his prime.

Unless Willard beat some other guys I don't know about.

Spartacus Sully
05-30-2011, 09:34 PM
SD haye

i really dont see how haye is going to ko willard when even dempsey couldnt.

BigStereotype
05-30-2011, 10:44 PM
SD haye

i really dont see how haye is going to ko willard when even dempsey couldnt.

Is there any chance of that fight seeing the second round if even Steve Smoger was the ref today? That was a first round KO modern day, no doubt about that.

JAB5239
05-30-2011, 11:07 PM
Is there any chance of that fight seeing the second round if even Steve Smoger was the ref today? That was a first round KO modern day, no doubt about that.

Than again....I love playing Devils advocate.....Dempsey would have had to go to a neutral corner by todays rules and never have been allowed to stand over him ready to pounce the second he rose from the canvas. Seconds are precious and these just might have given Willard enough to recover and go on. :davil2:

BigStereotype
05-30-2011, 11:43 PM
Than again....I love playing Devils advocate.....Dempsey would have had to go to a neutral corner by todays rules and never have been allowed to stand over him ready to pounce the second he rose from the canvas. Seconds are precious and these just might have given Willard enough to recover and go on. :davil2:

Maybe from the first one, but he was basically unconscious after the third knockdown. He could barely raise his arms to defend himself. Those shots to the temple as he was getting up couldn't have helped but, even with a neutral corner, I can't see him buying himself more than maybe another round in the best possible situation. And the best possible situation would probably be Dempsey tripping out of the ring hahaha Point being, I don't think Willard was particularly resistant toward the stoppage, I just think the ref was a sadist.

Spartacus Sully
05-31-2011, 01:00 AM
Maybe from the first one, but he was basically unconscious after the third knockdown. He could barely raise his arms to defend himself. Those shots to the temple as he was getting up couldn't have helped but, even with a neutral corner, I can't see him buying himself more than maybe another round in the best possible situation. And the best possible situation would probably be Dempsey tripping out of the ring hahaha Point being, I don't think Willard was particularly resistant toward the stoppage, I just think the ref was a sadist.

couldnt raise his arms? have you seen willards stance? unless he was throwing punches his arms wernt raised.

had there been a neutral corner rule it would have saved willard atleast 3, possibly 4 different knockdowns in the first round alone given him quite some time to recover, and a much better chance of getting his jab in, a jab that nearly took demseys head off in the first round. modern day rules willard vs dempsey may very well have made it to the 7th where dempsey slows down to a crawl from exhaustion and willard knocks him out.

haye is no dempsey and he isnt going to be doing anywhere near enough damage to knock out, let alone knock down willard. his best bet is to move and hit move an hit while he runs a marathon in 3 min bursts like he did vs SNV.

if he uses his speed he might pull off a UD but id imagine willards gonna tag him on the way in more then enough to get the judges to question who really won it.

Ziggy Stardust
05-31-2011, 01:23 AM
the 7th where dempsey slows down to a crawl from exhaustion and willard knocks him out.

And this is based on.....what exactly? Because a past-it and inactive Dempsey had stamina issues against Tunney? :thinking9:

Poet

Spartacus Sully
05-31-2011, 01:37 AM
And this is based on.....what exactly? Because a past-it and inactive Dempsey had stamina issues against Tunney? :thinking9:

Poet

dempsey was not the same person in the second and third round as he was in the first. wrestling with the 240 lb giant was taking its toll.


after putting some more thought into it, it could also be that he didnt know how much longer the fight was going to last so he decided to pace himself after the first round, perhaps a mix of both.

BigStereotype
05-31-2011, 11:57 AM
couldnt raise his arms? have you seen willards stance? unless he was throwing punches his arms wernt raised.

had there been a neutral corner rule it would have saved willard atleast 3, possibly 4 different knockdowns in the first round alone given him quite some time to recover, and a much better chance of getting his jab in, a jab that nearly took demseys head off in the first round. modern day rules willard vs dempsey may very well have made it to the 7th where dempsey slows down to a crawl from exhaustion and willard knocks him out.

haye is no dempsey and he isnt going to be doing anywhere near enough damage to knock out, let alone knock down willard. his best bet is to move and hit move an hit while he runs a marathon in 3 min bursts like he did vs SNV.

if he uses his speed he might pull off a UD but id imagine willards gonna tag him on the way in more then enough to get the judges to question who really won it.

You're reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally reaching here.

The Surgeon
05-31-2011, 12:07 PM
**** this, Willard was a big lumbering Oaf, he gets turned, outmonouvered and outclassed, Haye hits hard enough and precise enough to KO his ass too

BigStereotype
05-31-2011, 12:36 PM
**** this, Willard was a big lumbering Oaf, he gets turned, outmonouvered and outclassed, Haye hits hard enough and precise enough to KO his ass too

He had a mighty right hand, though and Haye isn't exactly a block of granite.

The Surgeon
05-31-2011, 01:00 PM
He had a mighty right hand, though and Haye isn't exactly a block of granite.

No but he is slick enough to avoid it long enough to do the damage himself

young_robbed
05-31-2011, 01:16 PM
No but he is slick enough to avoid it long enough to do the damage himself

I think it would look like the Valuev fight, but it completely depend it willard catches him or not