"New rule: American must recall the president. That's what this country needs – a good old-fashioned, California-style recall election, complete with Gary Coleman, ****o actresses, and action film stars. And just like Schwarzenegger's predecessor here in California, George Bush is now so unpopular, he must now defend his job against…Russell Crowe, because at this point I want a leader who will throw a phone at somebody. In fact, let's have only phone throwers. Naomi Campbell can be the vice president.

"Now I kid, but seriously, Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you anymore. There's no more money to spend; you used up all of that. You can't start another war because you also used up the army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people. Yeah, listen to your mom, the cupboard's bare, the credit card's maxed out, and no one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished.

"Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service. And the oil company. And the baseball team. It's time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or spaceman? Now, I know what you're saying, you're saying that there are so many other things that you as president could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, there a lot left to do. There's a war with Venezuela, and eliminating the sales tax of yachts, turning the space program over to the church and Social Security to Fannie Mae, giving embryos the vote.

"But sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poor, I'm surprised you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a ****ty president, but even he never conceded an entire metropolis to rising water and snakes. On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon, and the city of New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country, I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. So yes, God does speak to you, and what he's saying is, 'Take a hint.'"

-Bill Maher, HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher," Sept. 9, 2005

Maher's most powerful line:
"It's time for the people who support the war to start doing the fighting [in Iraq]."

So true, and considering you have old ****s like Pbds supporting the war, I'd like to see him over there fighting and trading off between killing innocent Iraqis with his M16 "for freedom" and rubbing Bengay on his knees.

Maher's most powerful line:
"It's time for the people who support the war to start doing the fighting [in Iraq]."

So true, and considering you have old ****s like Pbds supporting the war, I'd like to see him over there fighting and trading off between killing innocent Iraqis with his M16 "for freedom" and rubbing Bengay on his knees.

Are you obsessed with PB? He hasn't been here in days yet you keep mentioning him.

Don't you realize how BORING these political discussions will be WITHOUT people who disagree with you?

Maher's most powerful line:
"It's time for the people who support the war to start doing the fighting [in Iraq]."


I think it's time for whiny liberal **** to leave this country.....and move to a place they appreciate.

Like Bhagdad or Afghanistan.

I think it's time for whiny liberal **** to leave this country.....and move to a place they appreciate.

Like Bhagdad or Afghanistan.

Oh calm yourself. Does that statement upset you that much?

Thats true, but its also frustrating when people like Pbds blindly support people too. Bush can do no wrong in his views.

And Im tired of hearing about people my age dying for this gain's financial gains and when people over here say "I support the troops" but vote this dummy president back again. They don't support the troops really and now Bush is talking about an exit strategy/time frame (didn't he get on Kerry's case for this).

Oh calm yourself. Does that statement upset you that much?

I am not the least bit upset. I am pointing out a fact.

There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treasonus terrorism IMO.

Ward Churchill = Terrorist.

Really if you are so dismissive of what other people say because of your assumptions about them, you will learn nothing new.

I've only one thing to say..

I don't care how "good" the Republicans say our economy is... there's no way we wont be in a huge deficit.

I don't like this America that here today. God help you if you're black, latino (you Runwithknives are latino, you coconut), gay, non-Christian).

Its true I don't like this America today. You're right Knives.

PS: Saudi Arabia is far more repressive than Saddam ever was. Pick up a textbook and read how far Saddam was in women's rights, freedom of religion for that region. You know Muqtada Sadr in Fallujah, that *****e cleric that caused too uprisings that killed countless civilians and over 150 of our troops? Remember that cleric?

Well, his father tried doing the same thing against Saddam. Saddam didn't play that ****. Saddam captured Sadr's father, killed him by setting his beard on fire. That's what I call keeping religious morons in check.

I am not the least bit upset. I am pointing out a fact.

There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treasonus terrorism IMO.

Ward Churchill = Terrorist.

Ward Churchill said something stupid. He is not a terrorist. A terrorist KILLS people. Churchill didn't kill anyone that we know of.

To say that someone who speaks their mind is a traitor, is itself treason to the spirit of this country.

Ward Churchill said something stupid. He is not a terrorist. A terrorist KILLS people. Churchill didn't kill anyone that we know of.

I dont agree with that. The defenition of Terrorism applies to other areas not limited to killing innocents. Terrorism is a school of thought; opposing the interests of a country as a whole. You saw that Bill Maher interview with Ward Churchill and the guy who lost a bunch of family in the 9/11 attacks right? Did you see the look on his face after Churchill said they deserved to die?



To say that someone who speaks their mind is a traitor, is itself treason to the spirit of this country.

You are right. Though legal I believe is highly unethical.

YOUR DUMBEST POST EVER. TERRORISM IS "OPPOSING THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COUNTRY." WOW, so Osama in Pakistan is not a terrorist. He's loved their even more than their dictator. His interests are in step with his country's peoples' interests; Killing the West and establishing Islamic law in Pakistan.

Second, Ward Churchhill has his own opinion and he's should be able to express them in a free society however unpopular they might be. Stupid people don't like to hear what they dont agree with.... I dont necessarily agree with him but I sure dont agree with those trying to limit his right of free speech.
I dont agree with that. The defenition of Terrorism applies to other areas not limited to killing innocents. Terrorism is a school of thought; opposing the interests of a country as a whole. You saw that Bill Maher interview with Ward Churchill and the guy who lost a bunch of family in the 9/11 attacks right? Did you see the look on his face after Churchill said they deserved to die?




You are right. Though legal I believe is highly unethical.

Second, Ward Churchhill has his own opinion and he's able to express them in a free society however unpopular they might be. Stupid people don't like to hear what they dont agree with.... I dont necessarily agree with him but I sure dont agree with those trying to limit his right of free speech.

It does not suprise me that you support the 9/11 attacks.

I dont agree with that. The defenition of Terrorism applies to other areas not limited to killing innocents. Terrorism is a school of thought; opposing the interests of a country as a whole. You saw that Bill Maher interview with Ward Churchill and the guy who lost a bunch of family in the 9/11 attacks right? Did you see the look on his face after Churchill said they deserved to die?

You are right. Though legal I believe is highly unethical.

Terroism is TERRORISING people. It is not disagreeing with the government!!! Where do you think you are, the Soviet Union?

It does not suprise me that you support the 9/11 attacks.

When did Rogers say that?

God, there are more sides than Terrorists and the United States, I don't care WHAT the President says.

Hahha, you're lame. I don't support 9/11 one ioda. But America must realize the things it does when it blindly supports Israel when the world blames Israel at the same time. To think that blindly supporting Israel and fueling hatred for our government isnt an expected response by Muslims is beyond me.
It does not suprise me that you support the 9/11 attacks.

I never said I supported 9/11 EVER! I support Churchhill's constitutional right to the freedom of speech.

I support Churchhills argument that our blind support for Israel fuels Muslim hatred of our country, and their only source of fighting back with is terrorism because they can't go to war.

Never said I agree with Muslims, which I don't.

But Republicans act like there is no possible reason that people would be willing to kill themselves to kill many Americans. Republicans are wrong!

I am a hispanic and I don't think I need "God's help" in order to live in this "America of today". We're not living in the 60's and everything is not race related; it is ridiculous to say that the government is racist. Oppressing the poor and uneducated yes, but not being racist... It is time, if you're a minority, that you stop blaming the country for your situation and you start making a change in your life yourself.

I am a hispanic and I don't think I need "God's help" in order to live in this "America of today". We're not living in the 60's and everything is not race related; it is ridiculous to say that the government is racist. Oppressing the poor and uneducated yes, but not being racist... It is time, if you're a minority, that you stop blaming the country for your situation and you start making a change in your life yourself.

Ah, but the majority of the poor and uneducated ARE the minorities.

Yes, uneducated and poor go hand and hand with race unfortunately here in America.

Yes, uneducated and poor go hand and hand with race unfortunately here in America.

Funny. Because there are actually more middle class black people than poor ones.

In fact, There are more poor TOTAL white people in america than black people.

That is a FACT.

Funny. Because there are actually more middle class black people than poor ones.

In fact, There are more poor TOTAL white people in america than black people.

That is a FACT.

What study to you cite and what is this study considering "middle class"?

The fact that there are MORE poor white people than black makes sense because there is a larger number of white than black in this country. What we need to look at is the ratio of poor black people to the total black population compared to the ratio of white poor people to the population of white people.

What study to you cite and what is this study considering "middle class"?

That was stated by a guest on the Bill Maher show and the former mayor of San Fransisco Concurred.

He is a black man himself.

Middle class = Not empoverished.

That was stated by a guest on the Bill Maher show and the former mayor of San Fransisco Concurred.

He is a black man himself.

See my other post.

Condi Rice is black too.....even though most of my black friends refuse to admit it.

The fact that there are MORE poor white people than black makes sense because there is a larger number of white than black in this country. What we need to look at is the ratio of poor black people to the total black population compared to the ratio of white poor people to the population of white people.

Beezlebub hit the nail on the head. Race does not go hand in hand with poverty. Maybe lack of education........considering minorities are usually more interested in crime, drugs, and violence.

There are more minorities in jail than white people.

FACT.

Ah, but the majority of the poor and uneducated ARE the minorities.

I really don't understand the hang up that some poster in this place have with race. White trash gets ****ed over just as much as every other poor section in our society.

In capitalism the goal of government in to, to simply put it, make money even if it means overlookin or relegating a sector of society. SCARCITY, sirs... I suggest you take a course in Macroeconomics or basic economics to better understand this matter. Not much is about color and race for those who look beyond that, unfortunately we have been told that the color of our skin determines our place in society and sadly many of you agree with this by bringing the race card to every and any issue discussed here.

Republicans and not the devil and Democrats, sure as ****, are not angels... I am not a republican.

The republicans tell you that they are gonna piss on you, the democrats tell you the same, but they might give you a plastic bag before peeing on you.

The republicans tell you that they are gonna piss on you, the democrats tell you the same, but they might give you a plastic bag before peeing on you.

Republicans Blow and Democrats Suck.

Republicans Blow and Democrats Suck.

We even though you and I seem to have opposite political views I can appreciate and respect the fact that you have actually something to say, as opposed to some people here who sound like they're repeating something they heard on a ****ing rap song.

We even though you and I seem to have opposite political views I can appreciate and respect the fact that you have actually something to say, as opposed to some people here who sound like they're repeating something they heard on a ****ing rap song.

I am not afraid to be labeled as P.I.

In fact I think people are too sensitive to the race issue.

US threatened to bomb Pakistan 'back to stone age' after 9/11: Musharraf

Thu Sep 21, 4:15 PM ET

The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" in 2001 unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror, President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview.

Musharraf, whose support for the US-led invasion of Afghanistan was instrumental in the fall of the hardline Taliban regime after the September 11, 2001 attacks, said the threat came from former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage.

The Pakistani leader said the comments were delivered to his intelligence director, according to selected transcripts of the interview with CBS television's "60 Minutes" investigative news programme due to be broadcast Sunday.

"The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Musharraf said.

"I think it was a very rude remark," Musharraf says in the interview. "One has to think and take actions in the interests of the nation, and that's what I did."

Shortly after the September 11 attacks, Pakistan abandoned its support for the Taliban, which was sheltering Al-Qaeda leaders, and became a front-line ally in the US-led "war on terror."

Pakistan has arrested several senior Al-Qaeda members including Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 2001 attacks.

The South Asian country has also deployed around 80,000 troops on the rugged border with Afghanistan to hunt pro-Taliban and Al-Qaeda linked militants who sneaked into the area after fleeing the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Armitage's alleged threat also demanded that Pakistan turn over border posts and bases for the US military to use in the war in Afghanistan, which ended with the Taliban regime's collapse in late 2001.

Other "ludicrous" demands required Pakistan to suppress domestic expressions of support for militant attacks on US targets, according to the CBS, which produces 60 Minutes.

"If somebody's expressing views, we cannot curb the expression of views," it quoted Musharraf as saying.

In the interview, Musharraf also reveals an embarrassing episode in which former CIA director George Tenet confronted him in 2003 with proof that Pakistan's top nuclear scientist was passing secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea.

Abdul Qadeer Khan, held as hero in Pakistan for helping to make the country a nuclear power, admitted giving away nuclear secrets in a televised confession in February 2004, exposing a global black market in nuclear technology.

"He (Tenet) took his briefcase out, passed me some papers. It was a centrifuge design with all its numbers and signatures of Pakistan. It was the most embarrassing moment," Musharraf says.

It was only then, he says, that he realised that not only had blueprints been leaked, but that centrifuges themselves -- a crucial technology needed to enrich uranium to weapons grade -- were being passed on, CBS said.

Musharraf denies that anyone in the government or military was aware of the leak.

He pardoned Khan the same month, but the ailing scientist has since lived under virtual house arrest in a leafy diplomatic sector in Islamabad and makes no public appearances.

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