View Full Version : How would a Pea vs PBF fight at lightweight play out?


klipsch speaker
05-25-2011, 11:05 AM
or at welterweight perhaps?

bklynboy
05-25-2011, 11:48 AM
or at welterweight perhaps?

That would be an amazing fight to watch (or not). A counter puncher v a guy with the best defense I ever saw.

fitefanSHO
05-25-2011, 12:04 PM
The guys from CompuBox punchstat could take the night off. :sleeping:

Barn
05-25-2011, 12:22 PM
Pea would win a competitive decision in my opinion at lightweight. Although both had excellent defences, Pea's offense was better in my opinion. They way he would link a strong offense into an even stronger defense would be the difference between the fighters.

IronDanHamza
05-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Whitaker by close but clear descision.

studentofthegam
05-25-2011, 12:36 PM
Lightweight would be better for action. Im gonna take a stab.

Round one: I see a feeling out process because both are used to being the hunted. They trade jabs. Nothing spectacular

Round two: Pernell takes a couple more chances and lands good stuff to the body of Floyd but tries to lean in and gets knocked down (flash glove touches, not hurt)by a left over his jab.

Round three: Pernell, a little embarrassed, presses the action from the start and Floyd takes a good shot backing into the ropes. He laughs it off. He ties Whitaker up most of the round and throws some uppercuts in the clinch.

Round four: Whitaker gets a little winded from the jabs to the stomach. Floyd uses his feet this round. Then Mayweather gets caught with a couple 1-2's backing straight out. Not much power so no real damage.

Round five: Pernell is obviously winded a little in the corner. Floyd's calm but still cautious. At the start there's a head butt (both are at fault). Floyd takes the worst of it and has a tiny cut. He continues the jab to the body. Whitaker realizes the speed difference is in Floyd's favor at this point in the fight due to slight fatigue. Some clinching but Sweet Pea is getting touched with the right.

Round six: Floyd almost trots to the middle of the ring. Pernell matches him with a quick strut. Floyd immediately retreats and catches Whitakers three punch combo on the gloves. They tie up and the ref breaks them. Floyd in classic fashion attacks right after the break and stings him with a right. Whitaker is hurt this time and tries to hold but only catches elbows. Ref stops action and warns Floyd to boos from the crowd. He acknowledges with a quick nod (still focused on a weary man in front of him). He is right back with a jump in left hook partially landing. Whitaker successfully ties him up. He survives the round with no more real damage.

Round seven: Duva is erratic in the corner while Pernell holds a calm face during the caos but still a little cloudy. The bell rings and Whitaker has noticeable swelling under his eye. Floyd attacks it with stiff jabs. Pernell throws a little caution to the wind and shoves Floyd to the corner while winging body shots. Some land but Floyd hooks his arms while shooting sharp hooks to the stomach. Round ends, Duva jumps up into the ring slinging water on his fighter and complaining to the ref about Mayweathers forearms to no avail.

Round eight: Floyd's feeling confident and scoots back to mid-ring with his chin tucked behind his shoulder. He's met by a wild right that he shrugs off. He then takes a left-right to the body. The punches lack the normal power because Whitaker's legs are leaving him. There's a clinch and a break. Floyd decides to remain inside and catches Pernell between looping body shots with two quick uppercuts on the button knocking his mouthpiece slightly out of his mouth. The Money Man backs away everso slightly and catches Sweet Pea with a lunging right sending him to the mat. Whitaker's hurt bad holds the ropes to recover. He's almost up around seven win Lou stands on the apron to prevent the inevitable. Pernell bounces his back on the ropes and beats the turnbuckle as Duva removes his mouthpiece.

Great fight. Instant classic.

Barn
05-25-2011, 12:42 PM
Lightweight would be better for action. Im gonna take a stab.

Round one: I see a feeling out process because both are used to being the hunted. They trade jabs. Nothing spectacular

Round two: Pernell takes a couple more chances and lands good stuff to the body of Floyd but tries to lean in and gets knocked down (flash glove touches, not hurt)by a left over his jab.

Round three: Pernell, a little embarrassed, presses the action from the start and Floyd takes a good shot backing into the ropes. He laughs it off. He ties Whitaker up most of the round and throws some uppercuts in the clinch.

Round four: Whitaker gets a little winded from the jabs to the stomach. Floyd uses his feet this round. Then Mayweather gets caught with a couple 1-2's backing straight out. Not much power so no real damage.

Round five: Pernell is obviously winded a little in the corner. Floyd's calm but still cautious. At the start there's a head butt (both are at fault). Floyd takes the worst of it and has a tiny cut. He continues the jab to the body. Whitaker realizes the speed difference is in Floyd's favor at this point in the fight due to slight fatigue. Some clinching but Sweet Pea is getting touched with the right.

Round six: Floyd almost trots to the middle of the ring. Pernell matches him with a quick strut. Floyd immediately retreats and catches Whitakers three punch combo on the gloves. They tie up and the ref breaks them. Floyd in classic fashion attacks right after the break and stings him with a right. Whitaker is hurt this time and tries to hold but only catches elbows. Ref stops action and warns Floyd to boos from the crowd. He acknowledges with a quick nod (still focused on a weary man in front of him). He is right back with a jump in left hook partially landing. Whitaker successfully ties him up. He survives the round with no more real damage.

Round seven: Duva is erratic in the corner while Pernell holds a calm face during the caos but still a little cloudy. The bell rings and Whitaker has noticeable swelling under his eye. Floyd attacks it with stiff jabs. Pernell throws a little caution to the wind and shoves Floyd to the corner while winging body shots. Some land but Floyd hooks his arms while shooting sharp hooks to the stomach. Round ends, Duva jumps up into the ring slinging water on his fighter and complaining to the ref about Mayweathers forearms to no avail.

Round eight: Floyd's feeling confident and scoots back to mid-ring with his chin tucked behind his shoulder. He's met by a wild right that he shrugs off. He then takes a left-right to the body. The punches lack the normal power because Whitaker's legs are leaving him. There's a clinch and a break. Floyd decides to remain inside and catches Pernell between looping body shots with two quick uppercuts on the button knocking his mouthpiece slightly out of his mouth. The Money Man backs away everso slightly and catches Sweet Pea with a lunging right sending him to the mat. Whitaker's hurt bad holds the ropes to recover. He's almost up around seven win Lou stands on the apron to prevent the inevitable. Pernell bounces his back on the ropes and beats the turnbuckle as Duva removes his mouthpiece.

Great fight. Instant classic.
Are you serious? :lol1:

RubenSonny
05-25-2011, 12:44 PM
Pea getting stopped by anyone is highly unlikely, let alone Floyd.

Barn
05-25-2011, 12:45 PM
Pea getting stopped by anyone is highly unlikely, let alone Floyd.
Whitaker UD Foreman.

IronDanHamza
05-25-2011, 12:45 PM
I think this fight is destined for a decision.

I doubt it would be exciting either.

Personally, I would love to see it.

studentofthegam
05-25-2011, 01:11 PM
Are you serious? :lol1:

Pea getting stopped by anyone is highly unlikely, let alone Floyd.I didnt make it onesided. Whats the problem? Stylistically I see a war at lightweight. I think most are confusing it with these guys at WW. Both would plant their feet and fight at 135. Mayweather at LW was rather tall and Sweet Pea about 5'5 so that would play a part. I think temperment would be the difference. Being that they have similarities in styles I belive Whitaker would be the first to take the lead and it would cost him. Floyd in the lighter weights didnt play around when he hurt you. He's also faster and has better timing than most of Pernell's opponents. I can also say in his defense that Floyd hasnt seen a Sweet Pea either but has fought guys with the speed. I recently watched the Whitaker/Nelson fight and kind of pulled out the parts where Floyd could have capitalized where Azuma couldn't. Its definitely a top five fantasy fight I'd like to see. Its simply my take on the outcome.

Steak
05-25-2011, 01:22 PM
very fun matchup. I guess I just cant help but think Mayweather-Judah when thinking about a potential Mayweather-Whitaker fight. I would have to say on average Mayweather forces himself to become more offensive minded when fighting southpaws, ie Judah, Corley, Mitchell. Which sort of gives Whitaker an advantage right off the bat.

I think Whitaker's jab would be a big problem for Mayweather. I actually do NOT see his jab landing with too much regularity, but it would be used as a range finder to set up the left hand. So even if it isnt landing I think it would still a very important factor. It takes a lot of effort to continually get away from a jab as good as Whitaker's, and Mayweather's quick postering to his right side would inevitably lead to Whitaker following with a left hand after setting it up with his jab.

Behind his high guard I just dont think Mayweather could get the job done. He is very technically sound in his approach...the thing is that Whitaker had success against guys like Nelson and Chavez, and those were some of the best two pressure guys around.

And in the fact that Whitaker had an interesting grab and hit approach on the inside that was extremely effective complemented by very polished body punching, and overall I dont really see how Mayweather would bank in enough points to win. However, I do see his right hand landing on Whitaker a number of times...it was the punch Pea was overall most vulnerable to, and Mayweather has one of the best straight rights I can think of in a long time.

So...Whitaker by close decision in a technically excellent fight.
I think the action would be a bit better than people are thinking too, although not really a firefight either.

RubenSonny
05-25-2011, 01:24 PM
I didnt make it onesided. Whats the problem? Stylistically I see a war at lightweight. I think most are confusing it with these guys at WW. Both would plant their feet and fight at 135. Mayweather at LW was rather tall and Sweet Pea about 5'5 so that would play a part. I think temperment would be the difference. Being that they have similarities in styles I belive Whitaker would be the first to take the lead and it would cost him. Floyd in the lighter weights didnt play around when he hurt you. He's also faster and has better timing than most of Pernell's opponents. I can also say in his defense that Floyd hasnt seen a Sweet Pea either but has fought guys with the speed. I recently watched the Whitaker/Nelson fight and kind of pulled out the parts where Floyd could have capitalized where Azuma couldn't. Its definitely a top five fantasy fight I'd like to see. Its simply my take on the outcome.

I often think back to the Nelson fight and I think Floyd would have to employ a similar startegy and I think it would play out similarly, I don't think Floyd hits as hard as Nelson though. Theres no way on earth that Floyd stops Whitaker though.

IronDanHamza
05-25-2011, 01:28 PM
I didnt make it onesided. Whats the problem? Stylistically I see a war at lightweight. I think most are confusing it with these guys at WW. Both would plant their feet and fight at 135. Mayweather at LW was rather tall and Sweet Pea about 5'5 so that would play a part. I think temperment would be the difference. Being that they have similarities in styles I belive Whitaker would be the first to take the lead and it would cost him. Floyd in the lighter weights didnt play around when he hurt you. He's also faster and has better timing than most of Pernell's opponents. I can also say in his defense that Floyd hasnt seen a Sweet Pea either but has fought guys with the speed. I recently watched the Whitaker/Nelson fight and kind of pulled out the parts where Floyd could have capitalized where Azuma couldn't. Its definitely a top five fantasy fight I'd like to see. Its simply my take on the outcome.

I would argue their styles are quite distinctly different.

But I do agree Floyd would land his right hand but Whitaker would also land his left.

I think both fighters woulf get hit alot more than we are used to seeing them get hit.

I just can't se a stoppage. Both have good chins and both don't really have KO power to stop one another.

I see a chess match throughout.

Steak
05-25-2011, 01:37 PM
the chances of a stoppage from either man in this matchup are...incredibly low.

were talking about two of the best defensive fighters ever, who both are not known for stopping opponents.

studentofthegam
05-25-2011, 01:40 PM
I often think back to the Nelson fight and I think Floyd would have to employ a similar startegy and I think it would play out similarly, I don't think Floyd hits as hard as Nelson though. Theres no way on earth that Floyd stops Whitaker though.Yeah Nelson went away from the head so much but was slow to the target. I think Floyd is faster and everyone that he fought seemed to change their tune about his power when they took those jabs to the body. Also with slower fighters Pernell would lean in bbehind a tight guard until he unleashed those hard body punches. I dont think Floyd would let him get comfortable there.

I would argue their styles are quite distinctly different.

But I do agree Floyd would land his right hand but Whitaker would also land his left.

I think both fighters woulf get hit alot more than we are used to seeing them get hit.

I just can't se a stoppage. Both have good chins and both don't really have KO power to stop one another.

I see a chess match throughout.I think they definitely are similar in having passive/agressive style. Nobody's just alike but the brutal intent they had at LW had very distinct similarities just from opposite stances.Floyd definitely gets hit and pretty hard at times but with less than twenty KO's(Whitaker) I say Floyd is easily the harder puncher. At LW his power ranked way up there.

IronDanHamza
05-25-2011, 01:50 PM
I think they definitely are similar in having passive/agressive style. Nobody's just alike but the brutal intent they had at LW had very distinct similarities just from opposite stances.Floyd definitely gets hit and pretty hard at times but with less than twenty KO's(Whitaker) I say Floyd is easily the harder puncher. At LW his power ranked way up there.

I'm not so sure.

Whitaker is a much more active fighter and has a much wider output than Mayweather does. He uses his jab much much more than Floyd does and hits the body alot more also. Floyd also doesn't really back up as much as Whitaker tends to.

I would agree that Floyd is probably the harder puncher of the two but Floyd doesn't hit that hard at 135 either.

I still can't see a stoppage. Both fighters are too smart and crafty to get stopped by the best of punchers. Let alone each other.

$BloodyNate$
05-25-2011, 01:55 PM
Pernell by decision on work rate alone. Sweat Pea was too damn fast at any weight to let Mayweather do his thing. Sweat Pea would out work him with the jab all night.

studentofthegam
05-25-2011, 02:18 PM
I'm not so sure.

Whitaker is a much more active fighter and has a much wider output than Mayweather does. He uses his jab much much more than Floyd does and hits the body alot more also. Floyd also doesn't really back up as much as Whitaker tends to.

I would agree that Floyd is probably the harder puncher of the two but Floyd doesn't hit that hard at 135 either.

I still can't see a stoppage. Both fighters are too smart and crafty to get stopped by the best of punchers. Let alone each other.Floyd was pretty hard to the body also. Sweet Pea had his times when he threw good body jabs too. They are alike in that they were great defensively and could fight going backward. Pernell used his hips and leaning more to get out of the way and I just cant see him going straight back and getting away from a guy that punches that fast. And he didnt fight a lot at LW because he was on his "Gatti Mission" but I do think N'Dou would beg to differ about his power. Not to mention, even at 140 his hands looked pretty heavy on Chop Chop and Gatti. Gatti had been hit by bombs his whole career and I've never seen him that helpless, not even against DLH.

IronDanHamza
05-25-2011, 02:29 PM
Floyd was pretty hard to the body also. Sweet Pea had his times when he threw good body jabs too. They are alike in that they were great defensively and could fight going backward. Pernell used his hips and leaning more to get out of the way and I just cant see him going straight back and getting away from a guy that punches that fast. And he didnt fight a lot at LW because he was on his "Gatti Mission" but I do think N'Dou would beg to differ about his power. Not to mention, even at 140 his hands looked pretty heavy on Chop Chop and Gatti. Gatti had been hit by bombs his whole career and I've never seen him that helpless, not even against DLH.

He has power at LW no doubt but it's hardly crushing. N'dou simply isn't a good fighter and that was more accumaltion rather than power.

I feel that Floyd's physical prime was at 140, although he had very little fights there. Physically, he just looked incredible. Good power, speed, reflexes, in his physical prime for me.

In fairness to Gatti, although ranked #1 at 140 at the time Mayweather fought him (excluding the Lineal Champion) he was near the end of his career and was clearly faded. Also, it was more to do with Floyd's accuracy and accumaltion rather than one punch power. Also Mayweather is by far the best fighter Gatti had ever fought.

Although I disagree with some, I do agree with alot of your points about this fight but I just simply can't see a stoppage.

Both fighters would make each other look worse than usual, that's for sure.

studentofthegam
05-25-2011, 02:36 PM
He has power at LW no doubt but it's hardly crushing. N'dou simply isn't a good fighter and that was more accumaltion rather than power.

I feel that Floyd's physical prime was at 140, although he had very little fights there. Physically, he just looked incredible. Good power, speed, reflexes, in his physical prime for me.

In fairness to Gatti, although ranked #1 at 140 at the time Mayweather fought him (excluding the Lineal Champion) he was near the end of his career and was clearly faded. Also, it was more to do with Floyd's accuracy and accumaltion rather than one punch power. Also Mayweather is by far the best fighter Gatti had ever fought.

Although I disagree with some, I do agree with alot of your points about this fight but I just simply can't see a stoppage.

Both fighters would make each other look worse than usual, that's for sure.I'll take it. Before you change your mind.LOL Yeah it would be a great fight to see. I dont want to see it at 147 tho.