View Full Version : Who would win? Cotto vs Chico
This would be a big time fight that should be made. Chico wants big fights and Cotto wants to slowly build his way up. What better way for Cotto then to fight a big name who is smaller and only had one fight at lightweight. I know alot of you Cotto crazies probally think that he would break Chico in half, but Chico has been in alot of big fights and would carry his punch to 140. I like Chico in this one. Cotto is great on the inside but for as tall as Chico is he might be the best inside fighter in boxing. It's crazy how he can get so much good leverage on short punches with his long arms. Some of you might say that Chico's chin is suspect but I dont think so. I dont think he's ever really been hurt. Most of his knockdowns are because he is off balance or just caught off guard, just like Tito. Floyd dropped him 5 times but you could tell that he was never in serious danger. He always popped right back up and was upset when they stopped it. Frietas is one of the hardest punchers in boxing and he never really hurt Chico. I think that Chico might be the best puncher in boxing. Ive never seen anyone go toe to toe with him and last the whole fight. N'Dou did it with Cotto. Cotto has never been hit with the power that Chico will bring. I think Frietas power is close to Cotto's. It would be a great Hagler and Hearns type fight except I think Hearns wins this one
m00ks 12-20-2004, 03:08 AM It's not Chico's chin, it's his skinny body that Cotto would probably rip apart.
It's not Chico's chin, it's his skinny body that Cotto would probably rip apart.
Thats what alot of people think but its never that simple. Besides if Cotto goes to the body then he opens hiself up to viscous counters
This would be a big step up in class for Cotto. I know most of you think Cotto is better or just as good but Im speaking about opponents. Cotto has faught Baily and Pinto. Chico has faught Frietas, Casamorya twice, a prime Manfredy, a prime Gainer and Mayweather. It would be a big stepup for Cotto, and I saw Cotto get tired against N'Dou in the later rounds. Chico will be coming the whole fight and he didnt get tired against Cassamorya or Frietas, infact it looks like he gets stronger
julDilla 12-20-2004, 03:30 AM Cotto via KO, cotto has a bigger frame than chico is just skin and bones
psychopath 12-20-2004, 07:38 AM Chico is a dead meat!
cotto would cave corrales chest in...i dont know if corrales can beat pinto
tri4ben2 12-20-2004, 08:24 AM The old Chico that liked to brawl would probably get knocked down once or twice and lose a decision.
But the new Chico that jabs and prances around like a Fairy would stay out of the way and only get tagged a little like in the Freitas fight.
In real life, Cotto weighes about 150-155, and I think he would be significantly bigger than Chico and that would make him the betting favorite.
But Chico has more experience and has the power if he can hit cotto cleanly.
Lefthookhappy19 12-20-2004, 10:05 AM Look what happened to Sosa when he moved up and fought Cotto. These lightweights will seriously struggle to take his power. Corrales thin body especially.
The old Chico that liked to brawl would probably get knocked down once or twice and lose a decision.
But the new Chico that jabs and prances around like a Fairy would stay out of the way and only get tagged a little like in the Freitas fight.
In real life, Cotto weighes about 150-155, and I think he would be significantly bigger than Chico and that would make him the betting favorite.
But Chico has more experience and has the power if he can hit cotto cleanly.
Did you see the Chico and Freitas fight? Chico didnt move around. Freitas was the one moving and staying away, Chico was trying to walk him down and finally did once Frietas got tired and couldnt move anymore. The rest of you need to get of Cotto's jock. The guy hasnt beaten anyone and you guys act like he's JCC. Being skinny doesnt mean anything. Chico is much taller then Cotto. Chico is skinny only because of his height. He will way just as much as Cotto when the fight comes. He faught Floyd at 130 and came in the ring at 147. What do you think he will weigh at 140. He has the reach, the experience and I believe he is more powerful. He would knock Cotto out
jabsRstiff 12-20-2004, 12:32 PM "But the new Chico that jabs and prances around like a Fairy"
Uhhhh, please cite a fight in which Corrales did as you described, please.
Against Casamayor (fight #2), Corrales moved FORWARD behind his jab.
So, please talk about what you've seen.....not some incorrect, second hand bull****.
Did you see the Chico and Freitas fight? Chico didnt move around. Freitas was the one moving and staying away, Chico was trying to walk him down and finally did once Frietas got tired and couldnt move anymore. The rest of you need to get of Cotto's jock. The guy hasnt beaten anyone and you guys act like he's JCC. Being skinny doesnt mean anything. Chico is much taller then Cotto. Chico is skinny only because of his height. He will way just as much as Cotto when the fight comes. He faught Floyd at 130 and came in the ring at 147. What do you think he will weigh at 140. He has the reach, the experience and I believe he is more powerful. He would knock Cotto out
take it easy there ... most people just think that cotto would handle chico, that's all ;)
He would handle chico, there is no way Corrales steps up and fights any top guys at 140...at least not for a long while.
take it easy there ... most people just think that cotto would handle chico, that's all ;)
I like Cotto alot but people are just giving him to much credit. He beats Pinto and everyone goes crazy, the he beats Baily and everyone is talking like he is unbeatable. He hasnt beat anyone
He would handle chico, there is no way Corrales steps up and fights any top guys at 140...at least not for a long while.
Why do you act like Chico's scared of 140. He has faught as many big names as anyone. They were already talking about fighting Zoo, and they were talking about fighting Castillo and thats just like fighting someone at 140. You think all the top guys at 140 would kill Chico? He would destroy Gatti, probally KO Hatton, and probally beat Harris. Floyd, and Zoo would be the only ones I would pick to beat him, and the Cotto fight could go either way
m00ks 12-20-2004, 01:18 PM Did you see the Chico and Freitas fight? Chico didnt move around. Freitas was the one moving and staying away, Chico was trying to walk him down and finally did once Frietas got tired and couldnt move anymore. The rest of you need to get of Cotto's jock. The guy hasnt beaten anyone and you guys act like he's JCC. Being skinny doesnt mean anything. Chico is much taller then Cotto. Chico is skinny only because of his height. He will way just as much as Cotto when the fight comes. He faught Floyd at 130 and came in the ring at 147. What do you think he will weigh at 140. He has the reach, the experience and I believe he is more powerful. He would knock Cotto out
That's the thing. He's tall. His height will hurt him more than help him. The man's a puncher not a boxer. He doesnt use his reach as much as he should. If he gets in there with Cotto, what do you think would happen with those exposed ribs of his. Their just begging to be hit and Cotto aint featherfisted. The rest of us aint hugging on his nutz, we just know talent when we see it. The kid's got a big future.
psychopath 12-20-2004, 04:48 PM Common guys Cotto is NATURALLY heavier, with bigger body frame and naturally packs more power than CHICO. Cotto is not going to run around him . . . like freitas . . . Cotto will walk through him. Cotto has taken heavier punches of his opponents at 140 . . . do you really think Chico's jab would affect Cotto's offense?
Hurlex 12-20-2004, 04:52 PM i am not really a fan of both..but i say cotto ko this a$$...and i think cotto would have an easy time doing it also..i mean he does have skills and i think he could ko/TKO chico late...
cotto just needs to get into late rounds..but i will say this chico power is something that cotto has not fought yet..so this would be interesting
cotto 7th round ko
oldgringo 12-20-2004, 05:03 PM Cotto is a harder puncher, throws to the body as well as anyone, has better defense, is naturally bigger, has a better chin (although he hasn't been tested against top notch comp...I'm positive that PBF wouldn't knock him down 5 times), has better defense, has the better raw skills, is a more effective counter puncher etc etc. Say that I'm a Cotto fanatic, whatever, its true...but I've been backing him for a long time now.
I think Cotto could take Corrales' best punches and would outclass and outpower him, KO'ing him in 9 or less. Corrales is too slow and plods too much IMO. The way to beat Cotto right now is to keep him outside with a powerful jab and try to eat his body up. N'Dou had the most effective strategy so far, smothering a lot of Cottos punches. A fighter like Harris would be a tough matchup as well since he's dangerous at long range.
borikua 12-20-2004, 05:04 PM Cotto KTFO Chico in 6rds....A better fight would be his brother Jose Miguel Cotto vs Chico. :cool:
Cotto is a harder puncher, throws to the body as well as anyone, has better defense, is naturally bigger, has a better chin (although he hasn't been tested against top notch comp...I'm positive that PBF wouldn't knock him down 5 times), has better defense, has the better raw skills, is a more effective counter puncher etc etc. Say that I'm a Cotto fanatic, whatever, its true...but I've been backing him for a long time now.
I think Cotto could take Corrales' best punches and would outclass and outpower him, KO'ing him in 9 or less. Corrales is too slow and plods too much IMO. The way to beat Cotto right now is to keep him outside with a powerful jab and try to eat his body up. N'Dou had the most effective strategy so far, smothering a lot of Cottos punches. A fighter like Harris would be a tough matchup as well since he's dangerous at long range.
so hold on, i'm confused ... do you like cotto's chances against chico?
Oooh! i just posted message 400!! woohoo!! another milestone to go in the memoirs.
What makes you guys think that Cotto is the bigger puncher? Just because you KO bums and fighters who are smaller and less skilled then you doesnt make you a big puncher. He has faught one guy with a real chin (N'Dou) and he didnt hurt him. Chico is the bigger puncher. What makes you guys think that Cotto is so much bigger then Chico. Chico is over 6 feet and could carry his weight to 147. He puts on just as much weight as Cotto. I guarntee you on fight night that Cotto wont weigh that much more then Chico, and thats if he does at all. Commen sense tells you that the bigger the weight gets the less skinny Chico will look. He's not going to look as slim at 140 then he did at 130. Dont give me that about Floyd knocking him down 5 times. Floyd is my favorite fighter but I also know that Floyd's power didnt hurt Chico. It was his speed. Most of those knock downs were because Chico was off balance or caught off guard by his speed. He always got straight back up and he couldve easily finished the fight. Speed gives Chico problems not power. Frietas hits harder then Floyd but he never really hurt Chico, and how can you see that Cotto's been hit by bigger punchers then Chico. No one that he has faught has anywhere near the power that Chico has, but Freitas power is close to Cotto's. I wish Cotto's management had as much confidence in him as you guy's. He was Harris's mandatory for the longest and he never faught him. He's got to step up in class real soon and when he does then alot of you are going to see that he's not as great as you make him out to be. I bet you Corley will give him alot of trouble. Everyone talks bad about Chop but his only 2 recent losses have come to Floyd and Zab. How many fighters wouldve beat those 2
borikua 12-20-2004, 07:54 PM You just hate Cotto. :cool:
Lefthookhappy19 12-20-2004, 07:55 PM You know Cotto can punch because of the sheer snap on his shots. Look at his left hook and the incredible timing it has. Its a booming shot. You WILL see the difference in their frames when they are in the ring on fightnight. Cotto barely makes the limit and will move up soon. Sosa was a toughguy at lightweight but look what happened when he stepped up. When you see that left hook fold Corrales up your mind will be changed. I can't see his thin frame taking that shot.
You just hate Cotto. :cool:
Look dude, I told you that Cotto is my man. I was so suprised when his team put him in with N'Dou after the Mitchell fight. After that I said this kid could be a star, but since then he has went backwards with his opponents and I'm not the only one to say that. I'm just sick of every time we say Cotto vs someone, everyone says Cotto will kill him. He beats Baily and Pinto and everyone goes crazy. Cotto could be the baddast mutha out there, but he has to prove it be beating someone who is legit before I go crazy over him. Me saying that he would lose to a #for# guy is not a bad thing. I cant believe that everyone on here has went against me for picking a #for# guy who has been in with the best and wants to keep fight the best vs a guy who hasnt faught hardly anyone and I dont know when he is going to. I got my money on the guy who has did it and has been doing it for a long time. I cant believe that alot of people think that Chico can beat Castillo but thinks that Cotto will not only beat him but would walk right through him and kill him. Maybe it's just me?
You know Cotto can punch because of the sheer snap on his shots. Look at his left hook and the incredible timing it has. Its a booming shot. You WILL see the difference in their frames when they are in the ring on fightnight. Cotto barely makes the limit and will move up soon. Sosa was a toughguy at lightweight but look what happened when he stepped up. When you see that left hook fold Corrales up your mind will be changed. I can't see his thin frame taking that shot.
Everyone always talk about what Cotto will do but no one ever thinks about the things Chico can do. He is probally #for# the best puncher in boxing. Why didnt Cotto break N'Dou up with those big lefts? Even Merchant said after the fight that maybe Cotto isnt the puncher that people think he is. The better the opponent the harder it will be to KO him
borikua 12-20-2004, 08:13 PM he only have 22 fight and just did his first defense give the kid a fukin break...He has always said that he leave in the hands of Arum who will be his next opponent...he just train to get the job done...Maybe you don't like the "bums" he has fought, but he has shown great skillz against them...Plus he and Floyd are the two "golden boys" from top rank...Arum will try to take care of them before a mega fight...
Knicksman20 12-20-2004, 08:20 PM I'd bet on Chico. He's a war tested vet that would take Cotto into deep waters. Cotto's not ready for him not only because of the experience factor, but also Corrales is using his boxing skills as of lately. Chico isn't as skinny as most think he is. He comes in well over the weight limit by fight night. I hope all don't think this guy walks around at 140 lbs. He's like 5'11 so he probably gets up to 160 when not training and by fight night he's probably around jr middle. Chico's got that explosive 1 punch KO power. He's not a 1 dimensional fighter & he has a great trainer. Cotto's not ready & would either get outboxed & jabbed in his face all night, or would get stopped late.
he only have 22 fight and just did his first defense give the kid a fukin break...He has always said that he leave in the hands of Arum who will be his next opponent...he just train to get the job done...Maybe you don't like the "bums" he has fought, but he has shown great skillz against them...Plus he and Floyd are the two "golden boys" from top rank...Arum will try to take care of them before a mega fight...
You dont get it. My point is that I'm not upset with Cotto, I'm upset with the Cotto crazies that thinks that after 22 fights against inferior competion that he would destroy nearly everyone. I'm not even talking to the Cotto fans because the guy is really talented and he deserves alot of credit. I'm talking to those guys who when after he fights guys like Baily and Pinto they see he's a truck who cant no one **** with
IwatchBoxing 12-20-2004, 08:29 PM Cotto would slap Chico around like Mayweather did than KO him like Pinto :D
Lefthookhappy19 12-20-2004, 08:34 PM Everyone always talk about what Cotto will do but no one ever thinks about the things Chico can do. He is probally #for# the best puncher in boxing. Why didnt Cotto break N'Dou up with those big lefts? Even Merchant said after the fight that maybe Cotto isnt the puncher that people think he is. The better the opponent the harder it will be to KO him
N'Dou was tough as hell. You only have to look at the guy to see that. N'Dou after the fight was found out to have a broken rib. He did touch down also but it was not counted. McCullough stood up to Hameds and Morales best, but those guys can punch. Laporte stood up to Gomez best. These are just tough guys. Cotto's not a totally huge puncher but still pretty damn good. He picks his shots very well.
borikua 12-20-2004, 08:40 PM You dont get it. My point is that I'm not upset with Cotto, I'm upset with the Cotto crazies that thinks that after 22 fights against inferior competion that he would destroy nearly everyone. I'm not even talking to the Cotto fans because the guy is really talented and he deserves alot of credit. I'm talking to those guys who when after he fights guys like Baily and Pinto they see he's a truck who cant no one **** with
then you are just wasting your time being mad at those hardcore fans, that's what fans do...I'm a Tito and Cotto fan but I know their limitations, but I don't get mad at those who doesn't. hopefully we will see some good fights for him in 05...IMO best move would be to go for Harris belt and then Hatton.
kborges 12-20-2004, 09:05 PM What makes you guys think that Cotto is the bigger puncher? Just because you KO bums and fighters who are smaller and less skilled then you doesnt make you a big puncher. He has faught one guy with a real chin (N'Dou) and he didnt hurt him. Chico is the bigger puncher. What makes you guys think that Cotto is so much bigger then Chico. Chico is over 6 feet and could carry his weight to 147. He puts on just as much weight as Cotto. I guarntee you on fight night that Cotto wont weigh that much more then Chico, and thats if he does at all. Commen sense tells you that the bigger the weight gets the less skinny Chico will look. He's not going to look as slim at 140 then he did at 130. Dont give me that about Floyd knocking him down 5 times. Floyd is my favorite fighter but I also know that Floyd's power didnt hurt Chico. It was his speed. Most of those knock downs were because Chico was off balance or caught off guard by his speed. He always got straight back up and he couldve easily finished the fight. Speed gives Chico problems not power. Frietas hits harder then Floyd but he never really hurt Chico, and how can you see that Cotto's been hit by bigger punchers then Chico. No one that he has faught has anywhere near the power that Chico has, but Freitas power is close to Cotto's. I wish Cotto's management had as much confidence in him as you guy's. He was Harris's mandatory for the longest and he never faught him. He's got to step up in class real soon and when he does then alot of you are going to see that he's not as great as you make him out to be. I bet you Corley will give him alot of trouble. Everyone talks bad about Chop but his only 2 recent losses have come to Floyd and Zab. How many fighters wouldve beat those 2
Cotto breaks his opponents down with numerous of combo's to the body and the head. Cotto's defense is very good, so it's hard to connect with flush shots. Cotto doesn't have the one punch power like Tito, but his punches are accurate & does land with power. Chico is a good fighter and I like his style, but I think Cotto would end up wearing him down by the later rounds.
Lefthookhappy19 12-20-2004, 09:20 PM That what I love about Cotto. The way he picks his punches and takes guys apart, like a surgeon or something. His left hook is a work of art.
Zab Super Judah 12-20-2004, 10:26 PM even now cotto would destroy chico.....cottos body attack will break chico down.....and cotto looks liek a future junior middleweight.....chico reminds me of tarver except more offensive...but he could be outboxed......and if he doesnt knock out his opponent he probalby would lose the decision.......i dont see chico knocking out cotto
Hurlex 12-20-2004, 11:32 PM i frikin hate cotto and think he's overrated and has beat no one to be called top 5 at 140-but come on..his skills would out class chico and his power would ko chico...a good boxer that can move will ko cotto some day but not chico's slow ass...i mean gatti with his streght and style of fighting would ko cotto before chico ever would...frietas landed so much on chico..that how its gonna be jbut the diff. here is gonna be cotto's power
Saint3605 12-20-2004, 11:49 PM Cotto in 9
julDilla 12-20-2004, 11:50 PM Cotto in 9
thats right, no more to say, Cotto will win esily he wouldbe to big for chico
miron_lang 12-21-2004, 12:14 AM Cotto's naturally bigger with ample boxing skill. Cotto within 6 :cool:
cotto is outstanding. hes about 21 and his body shots just hurt to watch. against perez, martinez and even sosa, you could see the body punching doing the damage.
IwatchBoxing 12-21-2004, 12:33 AM i frikin hate cotto and think he's overrated and has beat no one to be called top 5 at 140-but come on..his skills would out class chico and his power would ko chico...a good boxer that can move will ko cotto some day but not chico's slow ass...i mean gatti with his streght and style of fighting would ko cotto before chico ever would...frietas landed so much on chico..that how its gonna be jbut the diff. here is gonna be cotto's powerWell we are saying he will beat the top 5 whats the problem its called a perdiction a fighter has to start from somewhere :confused:
Hurlex 12-21-2004, 01:06 AM yeah i know..i am just getting the point across that even though i hate cotto...i know he would win...(pause)... :cool:
`STEELHEAD 12-21-2004, 01:11 AM i like cotto but he has very little chance against a journeyman like corrales.hes been hit by harder punchers than cotto.corrales will out box the less expirienced cotto. it would be a mistake for cotto to take this fight[IMG]
mr. bojangles 12-21-2004, 03:26 AM Don't be surprised if Cotto knocks out Chicco, Chicco has just one movement - forward. His chin can be cracked as well as Casa and PBF just exposed, and don't think that these two fighters hits harder than Cotto. Cotto hits a lot harder and as accurate as well. Chicco's height don't matter as PBF just showed, he's just as tall as Pinto (but more talented, yes).
Cotto TKO's Chicco in the middle rounds.
i like cotto to win. He has a talent how to outboxed his opponent like what he did to lovemore n dou...and kilson pinto..
.::|ULTIMATE|::. 12-21-2004, 04:01 AM Cotto By KO, he is naturally much bigger than Corrales. He can barely make 140 right now.
wissy 12-21-2004, 05:29 AM Cotto is good, but he is by no means the god you guys make him out to be. You make it sound like he has mike tyson type of power and will just **** up any1 who comes near him. That just isn't true. His a very good all-round boxer who knows how to box very well and picks his opponent apart. But to I really don't think he will KO Chico, I mean Chico is one tough dude. If anything, it will just be a decisive UD for Cotto who is the bigger and better all round boxer. None of this KO rubbish, but thats just my opinion.
psychopath 12-21-2004, 06:36 AM By K.O. or U.D. I see Cotto WINNING. cOTTO is naturally bigger, naturally packs more power than Chico and a much better well rounded fighter. Of course Chico is one tough DUDE but I just don't see anything on Chico to STOP Cotto's onslaught. Cotto is NO ONE PUNCH K.O. artist but the accumulation of several punches always weakens his opponents.
Fiscalizer 12-21-2004, 07:24 AM Cotto is good, but he is by no means the god you guys make him out to be. You make it sound like he has mike tyson type of power and will just **** up any1 who comes near him. That just isn't true. His a very good all-round boxer who knows how to box very well and picks his opponent apart. But to I really don't think he will KO Chico, I mean Chico is one tough dude. If anything, it will just be a decisive UD for Cotto who is the bigger and better all round boxer. None of this KO rubbish, but thats just my opinion.
I agree CHICO is tough but K.O. is always a possiblity.
I guess Im the only one who thinks that Chico will win. Not only will he win but he will stop him. I want all you Cotto fans to tell me how many fighters at 140 and 135 can beat him, because you make him seem unbeatable to me
.::|ULTIMATE|::. 12-21-2004, 02:33 PM I guess Im the only one who thinks that Chico will win. Not only will he win but he will stop him. I want all you Cotto fans to tell me how many fighters at 140 and 135 can beat him, because you make him seem unbeatable to me
He is not unbeatable but he does have better schooling, defense, and strength, than chico.
Dont forget Chico could still make 130 pretty comfortably while Cotto can barely make 140.
As for who beats him at 135 - 140 I think Floyd beats him on points running around all night, and I think Jose Luis Castillo's Experience, conditioning, and strength gives him enough trouble for him to backpedal in the way of Ndou did, only Castillo cuts off the ropes and hurts him for a close UD win.
u're crazy, this is for you dlt
just be thankful that aaron pryor, jcc, whitaker, odlh and taylor aren't around anymore in the 140's .. oh yeah and king kong too, he'd prolly not KO king kong but cotto would have a nice UD
:eek:
|