View Full Version : Career accomplishments of Roberto Duran


Steak
05-19-2011, 06:48 PM
Im getting tired of having to relook up some of my old posts, so Im just going to go along with this instead becasue its easier to preserve and look up.

http://aaboxing.blogspot.com/2011/05/career-accomplishments-of-roberto-duran.html
talks about all of Duran's significant wins and legacy.

Ill likely do this for other ATG careers.

Steak
08-27-2011, 08:58 PM
I forgot I even did this one.

Do you think Duran is the greatest Lightweight of all time?

ghns1133
08-27-2011, 10:17 PM
i think he bats them all head to head...

but the other atg lw beat some better comppetition so you could rank them higher...

durans best preformance was at 147 too....

my fav fighter

SBleeder
08-28-2011, 08:45 AM
I forgot I even did this one.

Do you think Duran is the greatest Lightweight of all time?

I rank Whitaker, Benny Leonard, and Gans all slightly ahead of him...

I'm up in the air about who is more accomplished between Whitaker and Duran, but I think Whitaker is slightly more skilled, and I think he beats Duran in a very close fight.

I think Leonard has a better resume and better achievements than Duran, but I'd favor Duran to beat him.

Gans is the only one that I have no hesitation about ranking ahead of Duran.

GJC
08-28-2011, 10:09 AM
I rank Whitaker, Benny Leonard, and Gans all slightly ahead of him...

I'm up in the air about who is more accomplished between Whitaker and Duran, but I think Whitaker is slightly more skilled, and I think he beats Duran in a very close fight.

I think Leonard has a better resume and better achievements than Duran, but I'd favor Duran to beat him.

Gans is the only one that I have no hesitation about ranking ahead of Duran.
All 3 of them would be in most people's top 20 pfp atg lists so no shame there. Also shows how deep the division has been

SCtrojansbaby
08-28-2011, 12:12 PM
LMAO at Whitaker's and Duran's accomplishment being even close. Seriously its ridiculous to compare a guy who's best win is against freaking Julio Cesar Vasquez to Roberto Duran.

Steak
08-28-2011, 12:17 PM
I think its pretty obvious Whitaker's best wins are Julio Cesar Chavez and Azumah Nelson, not JC Vasquez.

SCtrojansbaby
08-28-2011, 12:32 PM
I think its pretty obvious Whitaker's best wins are Julio Cesar Chavez and Azumah Nelson, not JC Vasquez.

LOL a draw and win against 2 guys fighting at weight classes they had no business fighting at. Come one when you have to argue that those are his best wins you know he isn't in the same universe as Roberto Duran.

young_robbed
08-28-2011, 12:48 PM
LOL a draw and win against 2 guys fighting at weight classes they had no business fighting at. Come one when you have to argue that those are his best wins you know he isn't in the same universe as Roberto Duran.

You ****ing RETARD. Chavez got outboxed and everyone recognizes that as a huge robbery. only you would defend that.
Nelson was still a worthy opponent regardless of being out of his natural weightclass.

SCtrojansbaby
08-28-2011, 01:00 PM
You ****ing RETARD. Chavez got outboxed and everyone recognizes that as a huge robbery. only you would defend that.
Nelson was still a worthy opponent regardless of being out of his natural weightclass.

LOL I guess Frankie Randall is as greatest fighter of all time since he was actually able to beat Chavez a couple months after the draw.

Nelson was still good but if that is your best win you shouldn't be compared to Roberto Duran

Steak
08-28-2011, 01:09 PM
LOL a draw and win against 2 guys fighting at weight classes they had no business fighting at. Come one when you have to argue that those are his best wins you know he isn't in the same universe as Roberto Duran.
I never said Whitaker=Duran in legacy, but its obvious that the Chavez fight was a win and both Nelson and Chavez were outstanding wins, regardless of the weight class. certainly better than his win over JC Vasquez.

Miburo
08-28-2011, 01:22 PM
One thing most people don't consider and I always point out, is how few fights Duran actually had at LW, especially after winning the title. He virtually only ever fought at the 135 limit for title fights, he was more a 140 guy.

SCtrojansbaby
08-28-2011, 01:55 PM
I never said Whitaker=Duran in legacy, but its obvious that the Chavez fight was a win and both Nelson and Chavez were outstanding wins, regardless of the weight class. certainly better than his win over JC Vasquez.

No it doesn't totally discredit them but its not like beating them at full strength. Especially when you consider he didn't even really beat Chavez and he couldn't dominate a much smaller man in Nelson. He actually dominated Vasquez and did it as a smaller man.

Ziggy Stardust
08-28-2011, 03:14 PM
No it doesn't totally discredit them but its not like beating them at full strength. Especially when you consider he didn't even really beat Chavez and he couldn't dominate a much smaller man in Nelson. He actually dominated Vasquez and did it as a smaller man.

The Culiacan Crybaby got pwned and exposed by Whitaker. Get over it fan-boi :bottle:

Poet

SCtrojansbaby
08-28-2011, 03:15 PM
Yup pwned and exposed all the way to a draw when he was at a weight disadvantage

Ziggy Stardust
08-28-2011, 03:19 PM
Yup pwned and exposed all the way to a draw when he was at a weight disadvantage

Judges paid off by Don King can't change an ownage that everyone saw with their own eyes.

Poet

Megamasterking
08-28-2011, 03:55 PM
I forgot I even did this one.

Do you think Duran is the greatest Lightweight of all time?

I think that he is, a lightweight who can hit with that kind of power + speed + awkward but effective defense + killer instinct in the ring. He was my idol (with Gilles Villeneuve and Guy Lafleur !) when he came to fight Leonard in Montreal, he also made me start to boxe.

Mugwump
08-28-2011, 05:44 PM
One of my pet bugbears about Duran is the way people tend to concentrate solely on his defeat to Leonard and forget entirely his brilliant display in their first battle.

I have no time for the popular notion that Leonard lost solely because he got his tactics wrong. Anyone who hasn't watched that fight might easily believe that Ray was completely outclassed when the truth is he fought a superb fight landing a succession of brutal shots in just about every round that would have floored any of his other opponents with the possible exception of Hagler.

In my eyes this victory was arguably Duran's greatest. I can't recall too many other bouts in which a fighter showed such indomitable will. There was simply no way he was going to let Leonard win and for every clean shot he got hit with he was going to dish out equal measure with a healthy dose of interest slapped on.

The re-match was undoubtedly the low point of Duran's career. But it should in no way detract from his performance in their first clash when BOTH fighters were outstanding with Duran being just that bit moreso.

Ziggy Stardust
08-28-2011, 07:28 PM
One of my pet bugbears about Duran is the way people tend to concentrate solely on his defeat to Leonard and forget entirely his brilliant display in their first battle.

I have no time for the popular notion that Leonard lost solely because he got his tactics wrong. Anyone who hasn't watched that fight might easily believe that Ray was completely outclassed when the truth is he fought a superb fight landing a succession of brutal shots in just about every round that would have floored any of his other opponents with the possible exception of Hagler.

In my eyes this victory was arguably Duran's greatest. I can't recall too many other bouts in which a fighter showed such indomitable will. There was simply no way he was going to let Leonard win and for every clean shot he got hit with he was going to dish out equal measure with a healthy dose of interest slapped on.

The re-match was undoubtedly the low point of Duran's career. But it should in no way detract from his performance in their first clash when BOTH fighters were outstanding with Duran being just that bit moreso.

^^^^^ Spot-on. The thing is, Leonard fought the first Duran fight the way he normally fought in his prime. Leonard fought a hell of a fight. Against damn near any opponent it would have been a winning performance. The problem was Duran fought simply a magnificent fight that night.....the kind of sterling performance that comes maybe once a decade.

Poet

ghns1133
08-29-2011, 02:04 AM
One thing most people don't consider and I always point out, is how few fights Duran actually had at LW, especially after winning the title. He virtually only ever fought at the 135 limit for title fights, he was more a 140 guy.

true...

before winning the title he was lighter and after that he nly fought title fights at 135

TBear
08-29-2011, 05:34 AM
I don't know if it has been mentioned but before Duran even won the title he knocked out Ernesto Marcel who went to win the featherweight title. Duran was only 16-0 when he beat Marcel. Marcel retired after beating Arguello for that 126lb belt and while Duran was the lightweight champion, the retired Marcel had wins over the two reigning junior lightweight champs, Arguello and Sammy Serrano.

Another fact not mentioned often is that Durans dominance over the lightweight division not only included unifying the title and spending years as the undisputed champion, he also broke and held the record for consectitive knockouts(10) in title defenses for all weight classes. And that record stood for some time. If we were to ignore the fact he beat an undefeated Leonard and rose up to upset Davey Moore and Iran Barkley, and just gave him merit on his lightweight career, we would further understand why he was highly praised during and after his amazing lightweight championship years.