1. Joe Louis
2. Catskills Tyson
3. Larry Holmes
4. Muhammad Ali
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Sonny Liston
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Floyd Patterson


Louis would of knocked out Ali in my opinion, he would of either caught up with him eventually and landed the right cross in one of the last few rounds or used the right tactics to get him with the left hook in any round. You can run but you can't hide, start from the centre of the ring and it takes three steps to get Ali to the ropes, jab with Ali while holding your right glove high and chin tucked under your shoulder and you kill his rythm. You kill his rythm if you jab as he jabs. Ali didn't know how to block or parry whereas Louis did, Ali was a sucker for a good left jab. Louis would cut the ring off and get him on the ropes, he cuts the ring off better than anybody Ali has seen, when Ali is on the ropes against a six-inch hitter in very close to him he has nowhere to go because he is so tall and rangy, so as Ali drops his right hand to deliver the uppercut Louis would deliver the knockout drops with the left hook.

I would say that the only fighter a Catskills Tyson would lose to is the Ali that fought Liston, THAT Ali is the one fighter that Tyson may of had a problem with. I can see Tyson bobbing and weaving to get inside while Ali is sharper than sharp by backing off or side-stepping while peppering him with quick counters. It is the punches that you don't see coming that hurt you or stun you most, and with Tyson being peek-a-boo he isn't stationary enough to vision when Ali's punches will come. It might not even last very long at all.

Louis is over Tyson in my list on longevity.

Larry Holmes was more complete than Ali in my opinion, he jabbed better than Ali, he punched to both body and head, he had a better defence and much better fundamentals. He could dance and move like Ali, but with a more powerful right hand that came over without any warning. He also had more longevity than Ali.

I think because Holmes beat Ali when Ali was totally shot and Tyson beat Holmes when Holmes was slightly past his very best, people kind of are biased towards the losers if you know what I mean. But when you view it with an open-mind, I honestly see Holmes beating any version of Ali and Castkills Tyson beating any version of Holmes.

No Lennox Lewis???

No Lennox Lewis???
Lennox Lewis?? No way. He was losing every round to Frank Bruno before a lucky punch, clearly lost to Ray Mercer, knocked out by Oliver McCall, knocked out by Hasim Rahman, and made his name by beating up an ancient Holyfield and a very, very ancient Tyson, and he even lost the second fight against the washed up Holyfield and was losing against Klitschko.

McCall and Rahman are very ordinary fighters who knocked out Lewis, and Tyson was in better shape against Williams and McBride than he was against Lewis.

In terms of talent and cutting edge, Lewis was just not in the same class as the guys on my list. Patterson's speed and skills make Lewis look like a sack of ****.

Lennox Lewis?? No way. He was losing every round to Frank Bruno before a lucky punch, clearly lost to Ray Mercer, knocked out by Oliver McCall, knocked out by Hasim Rahman, and made his name by beating up an ancient Holyfield and a very, very ancient Tyson, and he even lost the second fight against the washed up Holyfield and was losing against Klitschko.

McCall and Rahman are very ordinary fighters who knocked out Lewis, and Tyson was in better shape against Williams and McBride than he was against Lewis.
I know you don't like Lennox Lewis... And it might influence your opinion, but you gotta pay credit where credit is due.

Sure Lennox Lewis got knocked out by the limited McCall and Rahman... But he made it his mission to get those guys back in the ring to reverse it, and if that shows anything it shows that Lewis had great courage.

There are a lot of fighters that avoid facing guys again in that position.

So by doing this... Lennox Lewis beat every man he ever faced in the professional ring. Couple that with him winning the Olympic gold and dominating the heavyweight division for nearly a decade.

Lennox Lewis was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, and I feel lucky to have been around to watch him live.

1. Joe Louis
2. Catskills Tyson
3. Larry Holmes
4. Muhammad Ali
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Sonny Liston
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Floyd Patterson





You know what amuses me most about you?

You obviously have been watching a lot of boxing for a long time, but every time you start threads like this about what you think, it's more and more obvious it's what you've convinced yourself of and I think you know its convoluted and outlandish.

It seems to be for shock value more than anything else.

All I can say about your list, and half of the other non sense you talk about, is that deep down inside, you know you're wrong.

:)
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You know what amuses me most about you?

You obviously have been watching a lot of boxing for a long time, but every time you start threads like this about what you think, it's more and more obvious it's what you've convinced yourself of and I think you know its convoluted and outlandish.

It seems to be for shock value more than anything else.

All I can say about your list, and half of the other non sense you talk about, is that deep down inside, you know you're wrong.

:)
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Would you like to be more specific?

No, I wouldn't, I think I summed it up pretty nicely.

deep down inside, you know you're wrong.

Be more specific about what YOU think I'm wrong about ;)

I can only rank fighters I seen alot of. So I cant really rank Marciano and Louis.

Since the late 60's I think the best heavyweights are.

In order

Larry Holmes
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis

Tyson gets murdered by Ali.
Holmes gets murdered by Ali...

I'm surprised Eubank isn't on that list.

I know you don't like Lennox Lewis... And it might influence your opinion, but you gotta pay credit where credit is due.

Sure Lennox Lewis got knocked out by the limited McCall and Rahman... But he made it his mission to get those guys back in the ring to reverse it, and if that shows anything it shows that Lewis had great courage.

There are a lot of fighters that avoid facing guys again in that position.

So by doing this... Lennox Lewis beat every man he ever faced in the professional ring. Couple that with him winning the Olympic gold and dominating the heavyweight division for nearly a decade.

Lennox Lewis was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, and I feel lucky to have been around to watch him live.
Based on ability, Pinklon Thomas is much better than Lewis. You'd have to rate Tubbs and an undefeated Tucker over Lewis too.

Based on ability, Pinklon Thomas is much better than Lewis. You'd have to rate Tubbs and an undefeated Tucker over Lewis too.
No I wouldn't actually.

To me, Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest heavyweights to ever grace the ring. He had devistating power, he was the master tactition and controlled his fights like a chess match, and he was extremely strong.

... And that jab?... Well, it was perfect.

Lennox Lewis would be my defination of the sweet science.

Tyson gets murdered by Ali.
Holmes gets murdered by Ali...

I'm surprised Eubank isn't on that list.

Holmes beats Ali every time I think. He could do alot of things Ali could and then some more. Which is why I rate him higher.

No I wouldn't actually.

To me, Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest heavyweights to ever grace the ring. He had devistating power, he was the master tactition and controlled his fights like a chess match, and he was extremely strong.

... And that jab?... Well, it was perfect.

Lennox Lewis would be my defination of the sweet science.
Martin, I know your a Lewis nuthugger. But come on, you've never even seen Thomas, Tubbs or an undefeated Tucker have you? They were more skilled than Lewis, all of them.

Lewis couldn't carry Holmes' jockstrap as far as jabs are concerned.

Lennox Lewis?? No way. He was losing every round to Frank Bruno before a lucky punch, clearly lost to Ray Mercer, knocked out by Oliver McCall, knocked out by Hasim Rahman, and made his name by beating up an ancient Holyfield and a very, very ancient Tyson, and he even lost the second fight against the washed up Holyfield and was losing against Klitschko.

McCall and Rahman are very ordinary fighters who knocked out Lewis, and Tyson was in better shape against Williams and McBride than he was against Lewis.

In terms of talent and cutting edge, Lewis was just not in the same class as the guys on my list. Patterson's speed and skills make Lewis look like a sack of ****.
well those ordinary fighters who knocked out lewis were also losing every round to him and got him with a lucky punch.....just like, in your words, lewis did to bruno......



and as for tyson........well look he he lost to!!!


so eat your words now!!

and as for tyson........well look he he lost to!!!


so eat your words now!!
WTF? Catskills Tyson was never close to losing to anybody.

WTF? Catskills Tyson was never close to losing to anybody.
who is catskills tyson? i've never heard of him!!!???.........i know a mike tyson though....

so who are you talking about?

Martin, I know your a Lewis nuthugger. But come on, you've never even seen Thomas, Tubbs or an undefeated Tucker have you? They were more skilled than Lewis, all of them.

Lewis couldn't carry Holmes' jockstrap as far as jabs are concerned.
I have seen them...

By the way, I'm not a "Lennox Lewis nuthugger" I'm a Lennox Lewis fan. I have 36 Lennox Lewis fights on DVD and I've always enjoyed watching him fight.

Saying that Thomas, Tubbs, or Tucker were more skilled than Lennox Lewis is just - :eek: !!!!

I know you don't like Lennox Lewis, but don't let that get in the way of the truth... Lennox dominated the heavyweight division for near a decade, he beat every man that ever faced him, and he unified the heavyweight division.

Did Thomas, Tubbs, or Tucker unify the heavyweight division???

You have to admit that Lennox Lewis's accomplishments are pretty ****ing impressive right?

Tyson, along with Fenech, is the reason I watch boxing.

But... just WHO exactly did 'Catskills Tyson' fight, anyway? And where is their place in history? Apart from a washed up Holmes and a scared, overblown Spinks, none were even approaching great.

Tyson, along with Fenech, is the reason I watch boxing.

But... just WHO exactly did 'Catskills Tyson' fight, anyway? And where is their place in history? Apart from a washed up Holmes and a scared, overblown Spinks, none were even approaching great.

Tyson fought some solid opposition when he was with Kevin Rooney. Michael Spinks, Past it Larry Holmes (my opinoin definitely most impressive performance even though Holmes was 38) Tony Tucker (Very game opponent) Trevor Berbick (game opponent beat Ali, though Ali was passed it, Tony Tubbs solid fighter, Michael Spinks very good fighter, Marvis Frazier decent fighter (beat Bonecrusher Smith) Bonecrusher Smith (pretty good fighter trained by Angelo Dundee. Pretty solid resume. And he has the one legend on there in Holmes though he was past it at 38.

Tyson fought some solid opposition when he was with Kevin Rooney. Michael Spinks, Past it Larry Holmes (my opinoin definitely most impressive performance even though Holmes was 38) Tony Tucker (Very game opponent) Trevor Berbick (game opponent beat Ali, though Ali was passed it, Tony Tubbs solid fighter, Michael Spinks very good fighter, Marvis Frazier decent fighter (beat Bonecrusher Smith) Bonecrusher Smith (pretty good fighter trained by Angelo Dundee. Pretty solid resume. And he has the one legend on there in Holmes though he was past it at 38.

I hate Tyson too, but its undeniable he was animal at times. And seemingly invinciable especially from 85 to 88.

Tyson fought some solid opposition when he was with Kevin Rooney. Michael Spinks, Past it Larry Holmes (my opinoin definitely most impressive performance even though Holmes was 38) Tony Tucker (Very game opponent) Trevor Berbick (game opponent beat Ali, though Ali was passed it, Tony Tubbs solid fighter, Michael Spinks very good fighter, Marvis Frazier decent fighter (beat Bonecrusher Smith) Bonecrusher Smith (pretty good fighter trained by Angelo Dundee. Pretty solid resume. And he has the one legend on there in Holmes though he was past it at 38.

This is my point...

doesn't change the fact thought that prime Larry Holmes would have taken him into deep water drowned him. Prime Holmes would dismantle the ****e out of Tyson, never let him get inside, use movement, and when Tyson would come in Holmes would either nail him with hard a right, an uppercut, or tie him and then push him and continue to pummel him on the outside, jabbing his face off ass he bobbed his head.

doesn't change the fact thought that prime Larry Holmes would have taken him into deep water drowned him. Prime Holmes would dismantle the ****e out of Tyson, never let him get inside, use movement, and when Tyson would come in Holmes would either nail him with hard a right, an uppercut, or tie him and then push him and continue to pummel him on the outside, jabbing his face off ass he bobbed his head.

For God's sake man... I am talking about Ali v Tyson. Ali KILLS Tyson, 'Catskills' or not.

Getting onto Tyson v Holmes.. a prime Holmes IMO ownes Tyson.

I have seen them...

By the way, I'm not a "Lennox Lewis nuthugger" I'm a Lennox Lewis fan. I have 36 Lennox Lewis fights on DVD and I've always enjoyed watching him fight.

Saying that Thomas, Tubbs, or Tucker were more skilled than Lennox Lewis is just - :eek: !!!!

I know you don't like Lennox Lewis, but don't let that get in the way of the truth... Lennox dominated the heavyweight division for near a decade, he beat every man that ever faced him, and he unified the heavyweight division.

Did Thomas, Tubbs, or Tucker unify the heavyweight division???

You have to admit that Lennox Lewis's accomplishments are pretty ****ing impressive right?
I can tell that your lying completely, you have NEVER seen Thomas, Tubbs or an undefeated Tucker fight. So stop lying dude, it doesn't suit you. They were much more skilled than Lewis, all three of them. Tell me Martin, what fights of Pinklon's have you seen?

Lennox Lewis is abit of a HBO creation.

JuyJuy. You are so outrageous that I am beginning to accept your posts. However wrong they are.

My top 10 list.

1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Larry Holmes
4. Catskills Tyson
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Sonny Liston
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Floyd Patterson

who is catskills tyson? i've never heard of him!!!???.........i know a mike tyson though....

so who are you talking about?

They are talking about the 3 year career of tyson before he was exposed, I just don't see how you can rank him so high when his career was so short. When he lost to Holy and LL he was younger than both of them, Nor had he be in the Wars they have. That fact is that Tyson just wasn't that good, he is very over rated. He could have never beaten Holmes in his prime. He was beat up by Buster who was murdered a few month later by Holy. Holy in his prime would have distroyed Mike.

They are talking about the 3 year career of tyson before he was exposed, I just don't see how you can rank him so high when his career was so short. When he lost to Holy and LL he was younger than both of them, Nor had he be in the Wars they have. That fact is that Tyson just wasn't that good, he is very over rated. He could have never beaten Holmes in his prime. He was beat up by Buster who was murdered a few month later by Holy. Holy in his prime would have distroyed Mike.
:D I love it.

:D I love it.

so u beleive there was a time where Mike could have beaten Holy? when? are you aware of how good Holy was this guy was great, and earned the name Warrior

so u beleive there was a time where Mike could have beaten Holy? when? are you aware of how good Holy was this guy was great, and earned the name Warrior
I'm not wasting my time. I can't be bothered.

1. Joe Louis
2. Catskills Tyson
3. Larry Holmes
4. Muhammad Ali
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Sonny Liston
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Floyd Patterson


Louis would of knocked out Ali in my opinion, he would of either caught up with him eventually and landed the right cross in one of the last few rounds or used the right tactics to get him with the left hook in any round. You can run but you can't hide, start from the centre of the ring and it takes three steps to get Ali to the ropes, jab with Ali while holding your right glove high and chin tucked under your shoulder and you kill his rythm. You kill his rythm if you jab as he jabs. Ali didn't know how to block or parry whereas Louis did, Ali was a sucker for a good left jab. Louis would cut the ring off and get him on the ropes, he cuts the ring off better than anybody Ali has seen, when Ali is on the ropes against a six-inch hitter in very close to him he has nowhere to go because he is so tall and rangy, so as Ali drops his right hand to deliver the uppercut Louis would deliver the knockout drops with the left hook.

I would say that the only fighter a Catskills Tyson would lose to is the Ali that fought Liston, THAT Ali is the one fighter that Tyson may of had a problem with. I can see Tyson bobbing and weaving to get inside while Ali is sharper than sharp by backing off or side-stepping while peppering him with quick counters. It is the punches that you don't see coming that hurt you or stun you most, and with Tyson being peek-a-boo he isn't stationary enough to vision when Ali's punches will come. It might not even last very long at all.

Louis is over Tyson in my list on longevity.

Larry Holmes was more complete than Ali in my opinion, he jabbed better than Ali, he punched to both body and head, he had a better defence and much better fundamentals. He could dance and move like Ali, but with a more powerful right hand that came over without any warning. He also had more longevity than Ali.

I think because Holmes beat Ali when Ali was totally shot and Tyson beat Holmes when Holmes was slightly past his very best, people kind of are biased towards the losers if you know what I mean. But when you view it with an open-mind, I honestly see Holmes beating any version of Ali and Castkills Tyson beating any version of Holmes.
JUYJUY you have to be the most stupid mother****er alive. How in the hell does someone who claims to be knowledgeable about boxing pick Joe Louis over Muhammad Ali? If they were both in there primes the fight would not even be a match. Ali would absolutely destroy Louis. First of all Ali was a bigger guy than Louis. Second of all Ali's feet were much too fast for Louis not to mention his lightning fast hands. How would Louis even touch Ali with that mother****ing slow ass left jab setup? Man stupid people make me mad!!!

JUYJUY you have to be the most stupid mother****er alive. How in the hell does someone who claims to be knowledgeable about boxing pick Joe Louis over Muhammad Ali? If they were both in there primes the fight would not even be a match. Ali would absolutely destroy Louis. First of all Ali was a bigger guy than Louis. Second of all Ali's feet were much too fast for Louis not to mention his lightning fast hands. How would Louis even touch Ali with that mother****ing slow ass left jab setup? Man stupid people make me mad!!!
Wrong...

Joe Louis would beat Ali and LOTS of peopple agree..

[[[How in the hell does someone who claims to be knowledgeable about boxing pick Joe Louis over Muhammad Ali? If they were both in there primes the fight would not even be a match.]]]
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Well, actually it's true that there are a bunch of punks who litter up these boards with their junk. However, Joe thought he could beat Ali and he layed out the plan for us. Anybody who knows boxing would never discount Joe Louis who was recently selected by IBRO historians as the greatest heavy in history.

Personally, I would favor Ali, but Joe had some things that Ali was a sucker for, like a great left hook and subtle footwork and had killer combos to finish off any fighter in trouble. Dundee might need a case of torn gloves for this fight!

My top 10 list.

1. Chris Eubank
2. Nigel Benn
3. Larry Holmes
4. Catskills Tyson
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Sonny Liston
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Floyd Patterson
You missed Steve Collins, Michael Watson and Herol Graham in that list. Joe Calzaghe barely makes the top 10 as well.

And don't forget Darius Michalczewski.

And Graciano Rocchigiani.

How do you rate Jack Johnson? Talented, great record (discounting thrown fights). Also I love Dempsey. His story is phenominal and he was a class act from cradle to grave but not a legend due to skills so much as reputation and love that he earned.

Lennox Lewis is abit of a HBO creation.

BS - end of story.

Lennox wasnt the GOAT fair enough BUT he beat everone he ever fought, surely that counts for something.

Bruno winning the fight - BS

You are entitled to hate - but your lack of knowledge is embarrassing.

but your lack of knowledge is embarrassing.
I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

How do you rate Jack Johnson?
He was the best defensive heavyweight of his day, a defensive genius in those days. He was stationary, but because fighters back then only threw one or two punches at a time he was able to anticipate and catch the punches out of the air. If he fought a more modern fighter though, a more modern fighter throwing six or seven punches at a time, he wouldn't stand much chance because he wasn't elusive with his body.

Lennox Lewis?? No way. He was losing every round to Frank Bruno before a lucky punch, clearly lost to Ray Mercer, knocked out by Oliver McCall, knocked out by Hasim Rahman, and made his name by beating up an ancient Holyfield and a very, very ancient Tyson, and he even lost the second fight against the washed up Holyfield and was losing against Klitschko.

McCall and Rahman are very ordinary fighters who knocked out Lewis, and Tyson was in better shape against Williams and McBride than he was against Lewis.

In terms of talent and cutting edge, Lewis was just not in the same class as the guys on my list. Patterson's speed and skills make Lewis look like a sack of ****.

Lewis will be in the Hall of Fame, but to me, he'll always be questionable as a great fighter. as you said, he defeated an old Tyson and an old Holyfield.

Holmes would have had no difficulty catching Lewis with his telephone pole jab. Although Lewis had a good jab as well, a few good ones from Holmes would have had him dazed by the middle rounds.

I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

I accept it, however, you seem to throw insults at people, like myself, when we disagree on things that are purely subjective. Not that it matters all that much to me, as my opinion is right while yours is wrong. ;) ;) ;)

Here we go.....

Holyfield lost the trilogy with Bowe, then beat a washed up Tyson, and then proceeded to look very very ordinary against everyone else he ever fought.

What/who eactley did Holyfield beat (and beat well) to justify his god like rating amongst the americans?(thats not a racist opinion just the way i see it)

Here we go.....

Holyfield lost the trilogy with Bowe, then beat a washed up Tyson, and then proceeded to look very very ordinary against everyone else he ever fought.

What/who eactley did Holyfield beat (and beat well) to justify his god like rating amongst the americans?(thats not a racist opinion just the way i see it)

I don't think he's all that great, either. But he is a small heavyweight and took on bigger taller guys and went to war with them. He didn't back down. He took it like a man in defeat and still came back for more. He went to war with Bowe and Lewis and many other HWs.

He doesn't have to win big, he can lose a close fight and still look good in our eyes. Perhaps that is why he is in such high regard among boxing fans.

I have a lot of respect for you guys over the pond, and as you see much more boxing than us in the uk your opinions must be respected.

BUT if heart and the ability to go to war is all thats needed then Arturo Gatti etc should be in the list for 140lbs.

No?, didnt think so.

I have a lot of respect for you guys over the pond, and as you see much more boxing than us in the uk your opinions must be respected.

BUT if heart and the ability to go to war is all thats needed then Arturo Gatti etc should be in the list for 140lbs.

No?, didnt think so.

You hit the nail on the head. Gatti is more popular than Mayweather.

EDIT : I didn't think Gatti was all that, either. Americans love drama. And Gatti has it in spades.

I have the best knowledge of boxing on this board, some people can't accept that.

:D **** OFF YOU ARROGANT CHIMP :D
there plenty of folk who know more than you do son so dont give it the big un. Just cos you claim to have been an amateur whoop di ****in do.

you are too arrogant to know as much as some and refuse to take on board other opinions.

I can name several who have more knowledge than you

Jabsrstiff, Marvdave, Yogi, Shoalin Bushido, Barry Boy and im not even thinking hard.

Anyonwe who think Eubank is the best british fighter in the past 15 years and refuses to recognsise Lennox lewis of the likes of Floyd patterson knows **** all about **** all :boxing: .


cheers do come again. :)

1. Ali / Joe Louis
I Cant Seperate Never Have Been Able To
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Johnson
7. Marciano
8. Holyfield
9. Liston
10. Tyson

Honourable Mentions For Smokin Joe /dempsey / Ezzard Charles / John L Sullivan And Gentleman Jim.

[[[How do you rate Jack Johnson? Talented, great record (discounting thrown fights).]]]
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What thrown fights? Johnson never threw a fight in his life. He lied about throwing the Willard fight, and quit a few fights later in his career when he was getting a beating. And no, I don't rate Johnson highly. The MAN in his era was Sam Langford. Now Sam had to wear the cuffs in some fights in attempt to set up rematches. Sam fought from lightweight all the way up to the heavys and never received a single title shot in spite of having more KOs than JackJohnson had fights.

Anyonwe who think Eubank is the best british fighter in the past 15 years
I rate Benn as the best Brit boxer of the last 15 years, as I've said time and time and time and time again, how many more times do I have to say it?


(1- Benn, 2- Eubank, 3- Hatton, 4- Calzaghe, 5- Hamed)

and refuses to recognsise Lennox lewis of the likes of Floyd patterson knows **** all about **** all :boxing:
Those who don't rate Floyd Patterson know very little about boxing.

[[[Holmes would have had no difficulty catching Lewis with his telephone pole jab. Although Lewis had a good jab as well, a few good ones from Holmes would have had him dazed by the middle rounds.]]]
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Holmes had more than enough trouble against a poor man's Lewis, Gerry Cooney who was rusty and somewhat inexperienced for their title fight. Lewis fought far stronger comp than did Holmes. Lewis fought the best he could, whereas Holmes didn't fight the best in his division. Moreover, Lewis had an alltime great right hand, a punch Holmes was a sucker for. This would be a boring fight if Larry tried to box and that would be his only hope, to maybe win a decision against a bigger, stronger, equally adept boxer. If Holmes tries to slug it out, he'll be counted out.

This 'J !' charactor is nothing more than a wannabe-somebody, that's all he ever will be.

I can name several who have more knowledge than you

Jabsrstiff, Marvdave, Yogi, Shoalin Bushido, Barry Boy and im not even thinking hard.

Marvdave, Yogi, Shoalin Bushido and Barry Boy know quite abit about boxing, but I wouldn't put them on my level. Jabsrstiff doesn't know as much as the other names you mention.

Holmes had more than enough trouble against a poor man's Lewis, Gerry Cooney who was rusty and somewhat inexperienced for their title fight. Lewis fought far stronger comp than did Holmes. Lewis fought the best he could, whereas Holmes didn't fight the best in his division. Moreover, Lewis had an alltime great right hand, a punch Holmes was a sucker for. This would be a boring fight if Larry tried to box and that would be his only hope, to maybe win a decision against a bigger, stronger, equally adept boxer. If Holmes tries to slug it out, he'll be counted out.

Lewis had enough trouble with Mercer. And Holmes two nemesis, Norton and Shavers, would make mince meat out of Lewis's opponents. Let's not under rate Holmes.

This 'J !' charactor is nothing more than a wannabe-somebody, that's all he ever will be.


HAHA NO NEED TO GET PERSONAL. GLAD IVE RATTLED YOUR CAGE.

fact is patterson was an excellent offensive fighter with fantasitc foot andf hand speed however he struggled defensively due to his size and suspect chin with the top heavyweigths, that wouldnt change now.

As ive said before Im just a fan who happens to be able to write, im not a wannabe anthing cos in my chosen profession I earn more money than i ever could at boxing journalism.

So how does that make me a wannabe mate, i do it out of love for the game and to give some British fighters some exposure they wouldnt ordinarily get. You however bang on and on and on and on and friggin on about fighter retired ten years ago o more. And rarely anything else.

also you just make bull**** up, as my contacts have proved.
I also suggest Mr Big, that it is YOU that is in some way trying to be a wannabe somebody, saying things like I sparred Eastman at the Sanigers gym (er no you didnt) and that you quote

"know the most about boxing on this boards"

yah right maybe about the length and girth of Eubanks **** you do.


you wanna be nobody. :D

for sure wanne be Eubanks *****. :)


so stick that in your pipe and eat it you arrogant ****. I cant take you seriously cos you are a joke, at every turn I read your bull**** and it doesnt check out mate.

dont make me embarress you again ****nut.

ive already done it numerous times and your limited intellect only allows you to come back with

"j is wannabe sombbody"


well done, you must be very proud. :boxing:

Marvdave, Yogi, Shoalin Bushido and Barry Boy know quite abit about boxing, but I wouldn't put them on my level. Jabsrstiff doesn't know as much as the other names you mention.

**** off mate beofre i lose my rag. you are an arrogant loser.

and these guys could pound you into the dirt with their knowledge you know **** all outside Benn Eubank and their opponents.


pathetic twat.

Sure Enough He Scuttles Off Into The Internet Darkness,Tail Between Legs To Find A Rock To Crawl Under. :D

[[[Holmes would have had no difficulty catching Lewis with his telephone pole jab. Although Lewis had a good jab as well, a few good ones from Holmes would have had him dazed by the middle rounds.]]]
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Holmes had more than enough trouble against a poor man's Lewis, Gerry Cooney who was rusty and somewhat inexperienced for their title fight. Lewis fought far stronger comp than did Holmes. Lewis fought the best he could, whereas Holmes didn't fight the best in his division. Moreover, Lewis had an alltime great right hand, a punch Holmes was a sucker for. This would be a boring fight if Larry tried to box and that would be his only hope, to maybe win a decision against a bigger, stronger, equally adept boxer. If Holmes tries to slug it out, he'll be counted out.

good post also remember the fringe contender Renaldo Snipes nearly ko'd holmes and really should have finished the job.


if you know so much Juy Juy what round did holmes get kd' in, no looking it up. I know do you? cue Juy visiting box rec :D

HAHA NO NEED TO GET PERSONAL. GLAD IVE RATTLED YOUR CAGE.

fact is patterson was an excellent offensive fighter with fantasitc foot andf hand speed however he struggled defensively due to his size and suspect chin with the top heavyweigths, that wouldnt change now.

As ive said before Im just a fan who happens to be able to write, im not a wannabe anthing cos in my chosen profession I earn more money than i ever could at boxing journalism.

So how does that make me a wannabe mate, i do it out of love for the game and to give some British fighters some exposure they wouldnt ordinarily get. You however bang on and on and on and on and friggin on about fighter retired ten years ago o more. And rarely anything else.

also you just make bull**** up, as my contacts have proved.
I also suggest Mr Big, that it is YOU that is in some way trying to be a wannabe somebody, saying things like I sparred Eastman at the Sanigers gym (er no you didnt) and that you quote

"know the most about boxing on this boards"

yah right maybe about the length and girth of Eubanks **** you do.


you wanna be nobody. :D

for sure wanne be Eubanks *****. :)


so stick that in your pipe and eat it you arrogant ****. I cant take you seriously cos you are a joke, at every turn I read your bull**** and it doesnt check out mate.

dont make me embarress you again ****nut.

ive already done it numerous times and your limited intellect only allows you to come back with

"j is wannabe sombbody"


well done, you must be very proud. :boxing:
Damn, I can't be bothered to read all that.

as i said you dont take on peoples opinions and this coming form aman who posts 18 page articles on the size of chris eubanks bicep in 1991. :D

case proved.

hang him i say. :D

**** off mate beofre i lose my rag. you are an arrogant loser.

and these guys could pound you into the dirt with their knowledge you know **** all outside Benn Eubank and their opponents.


pathetic twat.
You clown.

Sure Enough He Scuttles Off Into The Internet Darkness,Tail Between Legs To Find A Rock To Crawl Under. :D
You clown.

good post also remember the fringe contender Renaldo Snipes nearly ko'd holmes and really should have finished the job.


if you know so much Juy Juy what round did holmes get kd' in, no looking it up. I know do you? cue Juy visiting box rec :D
You clown.

Damn, I can't be bothered to read all that.

BWAHAHA! That's funny to hear you say that since you've posted many times about three pages of Eubank articles in one thread! :D

as i said you dont take on peoples opinions and this coming form aman who posts 18 page articles on the size of chris eubanks bicep in 1991. :D

case proved.

hang him i say. :D
You clown.

good post also remember the fringe contender Renaldo Snipes nearly ko'd holmes and really should have finished the job.


if you know so much Juy Juy what round did holmes get kd' in, no looking it up. I know do you? cue Juy visiting box rec :D


7th round. I saw that fight live on TV. I also saw the scuffle that broke out after the fight.

You clown.
so you dont know then. thought as much.

look sunshine what do you expect if you say such things as i know the most on here etc.

its you thats acting the clown.

7th round. I saw that fight live on TV. I also saw the scuffle that broke out after the fight.

correct another one with more knowledge than Mrs Eubank here. :) ;)

About Holyfield....

He is so hard to rank, as a heavyweight. He was very inconsistent.
He lost 2 of 3 to Bowe....lost 2 to Lewis. Split with Moorer. Struggled mightily with old Holmes & Foreman. Had a far more difficult time with Bert Cooper than a great heavyweight should.
A lot of his status at heavyweight is based on his defeat of Tyson. That's a tough one as well, because Mike Tyson was not only no longer in his prime, but is also the most overrated fighter in boxing history.
Holyfield is a question mark amongst heavyweight greats....but is undoubtedly great as a lb4lb fighter.
This was a guy who went from dominating the cruisers, to buildng himself into a heavyweight who had many successes in the age of truly big men.


JUYJUY....

What's with this "Catskills Tyson" ? Since when do fighters get ranked according to a SEGMENT of their career, & not the overall view ?
Yes.......nothing's more important than a viewing a fighter at his best, but a guy like Muhammad Ali was amazing at his best, & then still a WINNER years beyond his best. He was able to win major fights beyond his best because he was tough (physically & mentally) & incredibly intelligent inside the ring.
Mike Tyson showed to be a supreme frontrunner, & a clueless fool when things were less than perfect.

[[[Lewis had enough trouble with Mercer. And Holmes two nemesis, Norton and Shavers, would make mince meat out of Lewis's opponents. Let's not under rate Holmes.]]]
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Glad you mentioned Norton. Norton was past prime when he gave Larry a life and death struggle and lost a split decision by a whisker. Did Larry ever think about a rematch? Nope.

Have you ever seen who Shavers lost to? He could be easily outboxed or outslugged. Shavers had a slugger's chance in all his bouts and made the most of a limited journeyman's career with his power. I would rank Holmes higher if he hadn't filled his title defenses with Frank, LeDoux, Rodriguez, Zanon or whoever he was, Marvis Frazier, Evangelista, ect just average heavies, not real contenders.

Yes Lewis did have some trouble with Mercer and Holmes beat him also, but let's remember that Mercer gave up his WBO belt before fighting Holmes and was obviously having personal problems. He had a lot of legal problems as well in his career and was a notorious hot and cold fighter.

Lewis' big weakness was a lack of focus and dedication to training in some of his fights. At their bests, I would take Lewis hands down. Worst to worst I'd still take Lewis. Maybe the best Holmes could take the worst Lewis.

Glad you mentioned Norton. Norton was past prime when he gave Larry a life and death struggle and lost a split decision by a whisker. Did Larry ever think about a rematch? Nope.

Have you ever seen who Shavers lost to? He could be easily outboxed or outslugged. Shavers had a slugger's chance in all his bouts and made the most of a limited journeyman's career with his power. I would rank Holmes higher if he hadn't filled his title defenses with Frank, LeDoux, Rodriguez, Zanon or whoever he was, Marvis Frazier, Evangelista, ect just average heavies, not real contenders.

Yes Lewis did have some trouble with Mercer and Holmes beat him also, but let's remember that Mercer gave up his WBO belt before fighting Holmes and was obviously having personal problems. He had a lot of legal problems as well in his career and was a notorious hot and cold fighter.

Lewis' big weakness was a lack of focus and dedication to training in some of his fights. At their bests, I would take Lewis hands down. Worst to worst I'd still take Lewis. Maybe the best Holmes could take the worst Lewis.

Well, we can agree to disagree without calling each other names....unlike JuyJuy here. :)

correct another one with more knowledge than Mrs Eubank here. :) ;)


Larry Holmes had an interesting history with the 7th rd.....
He was knocked down in the 7th rd. 3 separate times, by three separate fighters.
Kevin Isaac, Earnie Shavers, & Snipes. He came back to defeat all 3.


Snoop....
I remember the melee after the Snipes fight.....It was because the ref kinda made a quick call, & the Snipes camp was furious. I remember someone wound up getting cut (accidentally) with a pair of scissors, during it.
What was funny....in Holmes previous fight, he had a post-fight run-in with Gerry Cooney.
Holmes had just wiped out Leon Spinks, & was being interviewed by Howard Cosell, when Cosell decided to bring Cooney over.
Holmes, who believed it was HIS time, said..."Howard, if you bring him over here, I'm gonna slap him in his face."
Well, when Cooney approached...Holmes lunged at him, & did indeed give Gerry a slap. Cooney looked petrified, if not disgusted.
damn.....I don't think in all my years of following boxing (since '81) that any fight had the intense build-up of Holmes-Cooney.

The Mike Tyson that left Rooney was a walking freakshow, a completely different fighter. Post-88 Tyson would be reduced to a very slim punchers chance against Louis, Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier et al.

Tyson was TOO good because he achieved everything in just over three years while still a kid and had nothing more to prove after the Spinks fight, so he is a special case. Louis, Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier etc they wouldn't of been able to win a world title at 20 years old and beat everybody in sight within 18 months. So Tyson is a special case I suppose.

And I'm ranking my list on Ability more than anything else.

Snoop....
I remember the melee after the Snipes fight.....It was because the ref kinda made a quick call, & the Snipes camp was furious. I remember someone wound up getting cut (accidentally) with a pair of scissors, during it.


Yeah, they were cutting his tapes off when there was a scuffle. The thing about Holmes was that if he got dropped or hit hard, he would become enraged and pummel his opponents. Like when Tyson put him down, I expected Holmes to come back. But Holmes tried to counter with a big right, it got caught by the ropes! And Tyson was open for it! And took more punishment! Man, Holmes should have stayed retired. But with Foreman being back, he thought he could to.

no lewis no tyson?