View Full Version : Comparing Marciano and Tyson


Pastrano
05-12-2011, 03:25 PM
How do they compare? They are both 5'10 and were crushing punchers, aggression fighters. Who was a better boxer? The Rooney-era Tyson could compete in that field with Rocky, but after they ditched Rooney he became a slugger instead of a boxerpuncher. I think Rocky was a little better as a boxer, Mike was mostly good in throwing combos.

EMSLDB
05-12-2011, 04:15 PM
Marciano was steddier in his approach tyson was more relentless, but in that marciano was a 15 rd fighter prime tyson was more like an 8rd fighter

Barn
05-12-2011, 05:31 PM
I think The Rock is greater but, Tyson beats him H2H.

The Surgeon
05-12-2011, 06:17 PM
I like Marciano as much as the next guy i mean if ur a fight fan ur a Marciano fan but to me Mike was the superior, Faster, bigger, harder hitting and had better combinations. Chin wise i dont think theres much in it, Toughness and stamina go to Rocky but i dont see this one going long enough for those attributes to come into play. I like Tyson early, before 6 anyway

Wild Blue Yonda
05-12-2011, 10:24 PM
Marciano had the more accomplished career, Tyson would've bested him head-to-head, though.

The biggest two differences are in the physical & the mental. Tyson is streets ahead of Marciano in terms of physical gifts, & Marciano is equally dominant over Tyson in terms of his cool head & inner-grit.

Marchegiano
05-12-2011, 10:54 PM
I understand the huge size difference here, but I'd argue even though Rocco weighs less he actually hit harder, or at least more damaging. Don't get me wrong Tyson's throwing inhuman power at impossible speed, and his KO's are some of the most absolute in existence. However, Rocky broke skulls, ended more careers, and as a huge library of misc showing of punching power such as moving heavy stone with single punches. I assume Rocky can take more damage than Tyson, but would agree Tyson's throwing power unlike any Rocky ever faced. Still the fact that Rocky's never been KO'd makes the ammount of power to do so a theory. In the end it's not important how they fair h2h, and it's pretty safe to say Tyson would win early, Rocky wins late and the fight could abruptly stop at any point due to KO. Both men made their opponent stretch for them. Rocky used a crouch, and Tyson had the most amazing duck in all of boxing. Once a poor fool allowed them in range they'd rain hell on him.

Daddy T
05-13-2011, 03:25 AM
look I mean I love the Rock but what you got here is two guys with similiar styles but one is bigger,stronger and faster. I don't really buy talk of Tyson being weak mentally and what not, that may be true of the post Rooney years but at his peak the guy had intense self belief and commitment ... the Rock is known for being an insane trainer and he used that fitness and endurance to wear people down, that's well and good when you are fighting small guys like charles or even the likes of archie moore, great fighters and moore had fantastic power (I know many consider Moore to be right up there in the power rankings, but how many of that long list of KOs are at light heavy?) not in the same league power wise as the Rock or Tyson imo ... I fear for the Rock against any of the real big power animals ... liston, foreman, frazier, tyson. They are all bigger and stronger than him and when he is relying on standing toe to toe and slugging it out with guys like this until one drops, despite his reknown toughness I don't see him doing well certainly not against foreman and liston anyway)

And I mean you can say a lot about toughness and all and rocky was incredibly tough but a lot of that is down to heart rather than a special freak chin ... look at frazier you'd say he had an incredible chin after TFOTC he walked through an unbelievable barrage without flinching but when the power goes up a few notches no amount of heart can't stop the KO .. eg foreman frazier ....rocky may be able to walk through Jersey joe or charles all night long, taking two to land one and wearing them out but he couldn't do that with Tyson.

Pastrano
05-13-2011, 09:01 AM
look I mean I love the Rock but what you got here is two guys with similiar styles but one is bigger,stronger and faster. I don't really buy talk of Tyson being weak mentally and what not, that may be true of the post Rooney years but at his peak the guy had intense self belief and commitment ... the Rock is known for being an insane trainer and he used that fitness and endurance to wear people down, that's well and good when you are fighting small guys like charles or even the likes of archie moore, great fighters and moore had fantastic power (I know many consider Moore to be right up there in the power rankings, but how many of that long list of KOs are at light heavy?) not in the same league power wise as the Rock or Tyson imo ... I fear for the Rock against any of the real big power animals ... liston, foreman, frazier, tyson. They are all bigger and stronger than him and when he is relying on standing toe to toe and slugging it out with guys like this until one drops, despite his reknown toughness I don't see him doing well certainly not against foreman and liston anyway)

And I mean you can say a lot about toughness and all and rocky was incredibly tough but a lot of that is down to heart rather than a special freak chin ... look at frazier you'd say he had an incredible chin after TFOTC he walked through an unbelievable barrage without flinching but when the power goes up a few notches no amount of heart can't stop the KO .. eg foreman frazier ....rocky may be able to walk through Jersey joe or charles all night long, taking two to land one and wearing them out but he couldn't do that with Tyson.

How are you so sure all those were stronger than Rocky?? Maybe Rocky didn't look as buff as they, but strength is more than just being carved, defined. Look at Holyfield, he was defined as fak but still wasn't as strong as Mercer or some other guys that were less carved than him but were true hw's.

Ok, Tyson was likely stronger, but its not just about strength. Marciano was good to adapt against trickier opponents. Tyson not as much. He didn't fight many tricky opponents really...

Terry A
05-13-2011, 01:50 PM
Lots of good comments already from the fellas. I'll just peck & poke a couple of thoughts....

Tyson was much faster & a better "boxer", ie, he had more "moves" then the Rock. I also think the fear factor was greater for Tyson. Guys went into the ring like they were going to the electric chair when they faced Tyson. It seems to me that the guys who fought Rocky thought they had a legitimate chance of winning.....

Marciano had a far bigger heart & more class. He never quit when things weren't going good for him & he never chomped on Ezzard's or Jersey Joe's ears. Marciano was the better conditioned fighter.

I liked Marciano way more then I do Tyson. Up until he dumped Rooney, Cayton & crew, I liked him a lot. He came off as confident but humble. The moron who grabbed his crotch at press conferences, threatened to "eat" babies, whinned about how hard it was to 'live in his world" as a gazillionaire, well, he turned me off big time. *Note*-Tyson filed bankruptcy after making all that money....it could have fed the whole town for years where I grew up, but he needed tigers & cars he couldn't drive, etc. He was immature & irresponsible. No other way to spin it.

Let me touch on this also...Tyson wanting to appear as a tough guy or bully. Well, compare him with a Sonny Liston. Sonny beat up policemen & mugged guys for the mob (allegedly). Tyson admitted to beating up old ladies & stealing their purses. And does anyone ever remember Liston acting like Tyson, sceaming & grabbing his package at press conferences with women? Yet, does anyone doubt how tough Sonny Liston was? No, and he didn't carry on like a lunatic. Guys like Tyson, who carry on to that degree, are really unsure of themselves & use the commotion as a facade. Liston KNEW he was a very bad man. Didn't need anything other then that baleful stare....

If these two ever fought, Tyson ends it in round 1. He's too big, too fast & hit too hard for the Rock.

If I had the choice who to have as a next door neighbor....."Hello Rocky!"

Ziggy Stardust
05-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Lots of good comments already from the fellas. I'll just peck & poke a couple of thoughts....

Tyson was much faster & a better "boxer", ie, he had more "moves" then the Rock. I also think the fear factor was greater for Tyson. Guys went into the ring like they were going to the electric chair when they faced Tyson. It seems to me that the guys who fought Rocky thought they had a legitimate chance of winning.....

Marciano had a far bigger heart & more class. He never quit when things weren't going good for him & he never chomped on Ezzard's or Jersey Joe's ears. Marciano was the better conditioned fighter.

I liked Marciano way more then I do Tyson. Up until he dumped Rooney, Cayton & crew, I liked him a lot. He came off as confident but humble. The moron who grabbed his crotch at press conferences, threatened to "eat" babies, whinned about how hard it was to 'live in his world" as a gazillionaire, well, he turned me off big time. *Note*-Tyson filed bankruptcy after making all that money....it could have fed the whole town for years where I grew up, but he needed tigers & cars he couldn't drive, etc. He was immature & irresponsible. No other way to spin it.

Let me touch on this also...Tyson wanting to appear as a tough guy or bully. Well, compare him with a Sonny Liston. Sonny beat up policemen & mugged guys for the mob (allegedly). Tyson admitted to beating up old ladies & stealing their purses. And does anyone ever remember Liston acting like Tyson, sceaming & grabbing his package at press conferences with women? Yet, does anyone doubt how tough Sonny Liston was? No, and he didn't carry on like a lunatic. Guys like Tyson, who carry on to that degree, are really unsure of themselves & use the commotion as a facade. Liston KNEW he was a very bad man. Didn't need anything other then that baleful stare....

If these two ever fought, Tyson ends it in round 1. He's too big, too fast & hit too hard for the Rock.

If I had the choice who to have as a next door neighbor....."Hello Rocky!"

Then again, if Tyson fought Liston Sonny may well KO Tyson in 1 :boxing:

fitefanSHO
05-13-2011, 05:43 PM
Rocky was a FIGHTER on a level Tyson could only emulate.

He did a decent job of it mind you, but Rocky was undefeated for a reason. :boxing:

Terry A
05-13-2011, 05:48 PM
Then again, if Tyson fought Liston Sonny may well KO Tyson in 1 :boxing:

Quite possible & hopefully so.

Marchegiano
05-14-2011, 03:14 AM
Rocky was a FIGHTER on a level Tyson could only emulate.

He did a decent job of it mind you, but Rocky was undefeated for a reason. :boxing:

not a whole lot said, but I like it. At the core of both men Rocky has much more fighter in him than Tyson

Terry A: I respect your opinion, but I was taken aback by one point. The suggestion that Rocky would be scared of Tyson or intimidated by him. While most poor unfortunate souls looked across the ring at Mike you can clearly see their fear I totally agree. I disagree with the notion that Marciano was anything like most Tyson opponents. I know Rocky got angry with his brother for hinting to having doubts about Walcott. It's pretty well known his mother would go to church to pray for his opponents safety...to suggest to God that Rocky could lose, or get hurt, with out divine intervention wasn't even considered. Not that she didn't want him to be safe, but Rocco demanded absolute faith and confidence in him from those in his life. IMO Rocky's not afraid of anyone, and to suggest he is, is a bit of an attack on Rocco's drive, and unwillingness to accept loss....even for a second. I don't mean to take anything away from Tyson, he was a scary ass dude, buy honestly I could see Rocky across the ring from the predator giving him the Ruckson face

KO'er
05-14-2011, 03:39 AM
IMO Tyson takes Marciano. Marciano never met anyone with Tyson's speed, power and relentlessness. Also at 218-221lbs Tyson was big so he couldn't get pushed around.

Pastrano
05-14-2011, 04:27 PM
IMO Tyson takes Marciano. Marciano never met anyone with Tyson's speed, power and relentlessness. Also at 218-221lbs Tyson was big so he couldn't get pushed around.

It all depends WHICH Tyson we are talking about. The 1985-88 Tyson would have a good chance to stop even The Rock. But the one that got a beating from Douglas and went life and death with Ruddock in the rematch would just get whooped.:boxing:

Cardinalfang
05-14-2011, 07:35 PM
IMO Tyson takes Marciano. Marciano never met anyone with Tyson's speed, power and relentlessness. Also at 218-221lbs Tyson was big so he couldn't get pushed around.

Well said. Rocky was great fighter but this is a bad match up for him. He never ever fought anyone as strong and powerful as a prime tyson and I can see a blow out here. Tyson never won a fight he looked like losing and it stops him from being an all time great heavy which Rocky surely was but I can see a rocky who was dropped by much smaller men like walcott (cruiser) and moore (lt heavy) being able to handle Tyson's prime punches.

Ina nutshell rocky a greater fighter but a bad match up for him against a bully fighter who was much bigger, faster and more powerful.

Terry A
05-15-2011, 06:32 PM
Terry A: I respect your opinion, but I was taken aback by one point. The suggestion that Rocky would be scared of Tyson or intimidated by him.

Marchegiano,
I agree with you. I don't think the Rock wouldn't have been afraid of Tyson. In fact, I can't figure out where you got that I even alluded to such in my post. I was careful to point out how, imo, Marciano had far more heart then Tyson. "Most of the guys" that fought Tyson does not mean that that includes Rocky. Two different paragraphs for a reason there.

If this was a newspaper, I would demand you print a retraction! :D But we're all about having fun here, so let the show go on!

But let the record show I never said Marciano would be afraid of Leg-iron Mike! It just ain't in there.

physiker
05-15-2011, 06:50 PM
Well check up on who dropped the Rock, and compare their age, etc. vs a pre-Douglas Tyson.

Bottom line is if the Rock hits Tyson a good shot, he could KO him.

But in all probability, it would be a pre-Douglas Tyson who quickly first gets to Rocky and KOs him.