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PBDS
12-19-2004, 08:21 PM
There are persistent rumors coming out of Europe that Wlad will fight Sanders in a rematch in the Spring and possibly as early as March. If there is a rematch, I think this could be the best possible scenario for Wlad. He either shows that the fight that sent him spiraling downward was no fluke or he knocks Sanders out and gets himself back on track. The haters will not agree, but I say Wlad needs this fight and if he wins impressively he is back!!! If anyone says that it's no big deal for Wlad to take this fight and defeat Sanders they are kidding themselves. If he loses then he needs to ride off into the sunset.

Pno
12-19-2004, 08:27 PM
yeah.. but I still think he's afraid of that scenario... not that fear is acceptable, but sometimes you have to gain the confidence for sure before re-attempting to conquer it.

I think Brewster is a more sawd-after challenge, due to the mystery, whether legit or not of the outcome (Wlad's stamina)... I think he still has questions in HIS mind that HE needs to answer through that fight..

PBDS
12-19-2004, 08:37 PM
yeah.. but I still think he's afraid of that scenario... not that fear is acceptable, but sometimes you have to gain the confidence for sure before re-attempting to conquer it.

I think Brewster is a more sawd-after challenge, due to the mystery, whether legit or not of the outcome (Wlad's stamina)... I think he still has questions in HIS mind that HE needs to answer through that fight..


.....Yeah, but if Wlad faces his greatest fear and conquers it instead of being in Limbo then he will be sky high and back on track immediately. I say it's time for him to stop ****ing around and take charge of his career by making a big statement with a Sanders rematch. Either get going or get out. It wouldn't hurt if Vit Whispered in Sanders ear before the fight "if you knock out my little brother I will beat you to death with my bare knuckles right here in this very ring". That might intimidate Sanders just a little. :)

Pno
12-19-2004, 08:41 PM
I say you're exactly right, but you know.. I wanna see the Klits dream come true if even for a day, and for WK to be a champ (if ever possible again)..

I think that Sanders is like a kind of stylist kryptonite for WK..
maybe WK can learn how to win this fight, but it seems like his technical style with glass chin are a number that Sanders' little chubby red faced angry power KO mele' HAS..

either way, it will be interesting to see what his next fight holds :)

Nautilus
12-19-2004, 08:43 PM
The K2 website says that they are not even considering this possibility.

Hurlex
12-19-2004, 08:56 PM
i think wlad is afraid of one thing...and only one thing and that is for sanders to ko him twice...i know if wlad beats sanders he would almost be impossible to beat with all his confidence back...but i just dont see this happening...sanders could take out ruiz/lamon though i think...

i dont know about byrd tho..cuz of sander's stamina (i also know byrd cant ko him)-but sander/byrd i would love to see...or atleast someone start unifying...dammit i hate don king...i mean i have hatred for him...

wlad needs to fight somone he can beat and at the same time get credit for beating..i say wlad goes for toney

Neuraxis
12-19-2004, 08:56 PM
Yeah I don't know where you are getting the idea that the Klitschko camp is looking to fight Sanders next Spring. I get the impression that they are gunning for Brewster and his belt.

Pno
12-19-2004, 08:58 PM
at least that would make more sense :)

Nautilus
12-19-2004, 09:21 PM
Fight Bruster first, then fight others for a year and then fight Sanders (not to say that Wlad should wait for Sanders to get old, but Wlad looked a little fragile in his last match.)

Lefthookhappy19
12-19-2004, 09:23 PM
I saw Sanders comeback fight the other day. He was pretty fat but the thing was his hands where still really fast. You could really see the exact same thing happening again.

PBDS
12-19-2004, 09:30 PM
at least that would make more sense :)


....The Klitchko camp is denying the rumors but they seem to be persistent. They address the issue on the Klits website and say there is no truth, but with Sanders also calling for a rematch with Wlad I have to wonder. I would like to see Wlad step up and take that fight but I would also be so scared for him that I probably couldn't bare to watch. If Wlad did take that fight, you would have to tip your hat to him for showing a serious set of balls. The thing is, Wlad doesn't take a shot like Vit but he punches much harder and he never got the chance to land one on Sanders. If he sat catiously and waited for Sanders to overcommit he has the power to take him out with one shot. If he has to run from Sanders for 7 or 8 rounds then he is gonna be in trouble. He doesn't appear to be as elusive or inovative as Vit and if I were him I would catiously go for the early KO if that fight ever happened.

Pno
12-19-2004, 10:09 PM
one of those fights were you just KNOW something wilds gonna happen, but it's almost hard to watch, to bare, the suspense :P

vB Martin
12-19-2004, 10:14 PM
I would say that this fight, assuming W wins, will NOT mean he's back. He would still have to avenge his loss to Lamon Brewster and prove himself against some real heavyweights.

Tyson'scolon
12-20-2004, 01:14 AM
Hell, I think a rematch with Davarryl Williamson would be dangerous for Wlad at this point. A fight with Sanders? I would love to see it, but it aint gonna happen. I think Wlad more likely will fight a sickly schoolgirl in his next fight.

Neuraxis
12-20-2004, 04:15 AM
Hell, I think a rematch with Davarryl Williamson would be dangerous for Wlad at this point. A fight with Sanders? I would love to see it, but it aint gonna happen. I think Wlad more likely will fight a sickly schoolgirl in his next fight.

That's because you aren't too bright.

marvdave
12-20-2004, 05:56 AM
I'm sure Sanders wants a rematch, but I see no scenario where Wlad fights Sanders ever again. Makes no sense for him. He needs some powder puff fights to get some confidence back. The last thing he needs is an iron jawed gut with a big punch.

PacKillsMorales
12-20-2004, 06:47 AM
Hell, I think a rematch with Davarryl Williamson would be dangerous for Wlad at this point. A fight with Sanders? I would love to see it, but it aint gonna happen. I think Wlad more likely will fight a sickly schoolgirl in his next fight.
i agree..
only way i see wlad in a title match is if hes unfairly
given one abit like Golotas 2 recent title shots.
i think wlads gonna fight some bum with a low ko ratio..

like acelino frietas just did. (not quite that bad)

brewster is the champ, and hes beaten w-klit..
why rematch him when theres bigger fights ,
possibly even
unification fights :cool:

tri4ben2
12-20-2004, 08:06 AM
i agree..
only way i see wlad in a title match is if hes unfairly
given one abit like Golotas 2 recent title shots.
i think wlads gonna fight some bum with a low ko ratio..

like acelino frietas just did. (not quite that bad)

brewster is the champ, and hes beaten w-klit..
why rematch him when theres bigger fights ,
possibly even
unification fights :cool:

It looks like Golata is going to get another title shot against Brewster.

Wlad has to be able to take out one of these 10-20 type fighters to get back in the mix. If he fights someone worse than Williamson, Sanders, or Brewster, nobody is going to care.

And Sanders is getting really old and fat. Wlad has to be able to use his youth and fitness to keep Sanders away for just 3 or 4 rounds and Sanders will turn into a sitting duck for Wlad to take out.

I saw Sanders last fight and I don't know what to think beause the opponent obviously didn't watch the Wlad fight because he did the same thing Wlad tried to do and got knocked out.

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 04:19 PM
i agree..
only way i see wlad in a title match is if hes unfairly
given one abit like Golotas 2 recent title shots.
i think wlads gonna fight some bum with a low ko ratio..



What ? :confused: Wlad just fought Davaryl who has a very high KO ratio.

Pno
12-20-2004, 04:23 PM
it would be refreshing for me to see WK KO Sanders, even tho I like sanders, but it seems quite dangerous, and I think they want to protect WK for a while, while VK fortifies his claim as the unified champ.

TheFairPole
12-20-2004, 04:29 PM
Wlad must make this fight happen before Sanders is gone for good! Otherwise people will always have questions about him! He has to take this risk and he has to win... End of subject!

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 04:32 PM
Wlad must make this fight happen before Sanders is gone for good! Otherwise people will always have questions about him! He has to take this risk and he has to win... End of subject!




Kostya Tzyu has never had a rematch with Phillips, even though he would have beaten him easily in a rematch.

What Kostya did was the right thing -- just move on and don't get fixated on a rematch. Kotya did great and Wlad should do the same.

A rematch with Bruster would have be great though (because Wlad was drugged).

TheFairPole
12-20-2004, 04:42 PM
Kostya Tzyu never had a rematch with Phillips, even though he would have beaten him easily in a rematch.

What Kostya did was the right thing -- just move on and don't get fixated on a rematch. Kotya did great and Wlad should do the same.

A rematch with Bruster would have be great though (b/c Wlad was drugged).

Yeah but Tzyu wasn't destroyed like Wlad was.

In my opinion Wlad can and will win a rematch with Sanders! He has to not be so careless and be more defensive and he wins a tough one! He could easily jab Sanders to death and should have! If he wants to be champ and an alltime great he has to avenge his losses like Lewis did! I think he will, but he has to learn to run and box defensively like Vitali does! He tried to go after Sanders right away and got caught! Let Sanders tire for 3 or 4 rounds and then open up on him! There is nothing wrong with winning like that! Wlad will win this rematch!

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 04:45 PM
Yeah but Tzyu wasn't destroyed like Wlad was.

In my opinion Wlad can and will win a rematch with Sanders! He has to not be so careless and be more defensive and he wins a tough one! He could easily jab Sanders to death and should have! If he wants to be champ and an alltime great he has to avenge his losses like Lewis did! I think he will, but he has to learn to run and box defensively like Vitali does! He tried to go after Sanders right away and got caught!

He got caught exactly like that kid Varakin. Varakin tried to KO Sanders just like Wlad did.

Neuraxis
12-20-2004, 04:45 PM
What ? :confused: Wlad just fought Davaryl who has a very high KO ratio.

TOS's KO % was 85% going into his fight with Wlad.

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 04:46 PM
TOS's KO % was 85% going into his fight with Wlad.


so it is a good KO rate, right?

Hurlex
12-20-2004, 04:46 PM
ahh....damn good point (and i dont say that much)

wlad getting owned and ko'ed is still on a lot of ppl mind..its not like vitali losing to lewis and byrd (lewis and byrd won the fight but dint beat vitali get me) but still was ahead on scorecards..or like wlad dominating lamon then losing..but in that fight wlad was owned and that still on a lots of ppl's minds.

i still say wlad fights toney...winning this fight can say a lot and will get his reputation back...toney cant hit hard so its a plus

Mr. Ryan
12-20-2004, 04:55 PM
There are persistent rumors coming out of Europe that Wlad will fight Sanders in a rematch in the Spring and possibly as early as March. If there is a rematch, I think this could be the best possible scenario for Wlad. He either shows that the fight that sent him spiraling downward was no fluke or he knocks Sanders out and gets himself back on track. The haters will not agree, but I say Wlad needs this fight and if he wins impressively he is back!!! If anyone says that it's no big deal for Wlad to take this fight and defeat Sanders they are kidding themselves. If he loses then he needs to ride off into the sunset.
I think this is as meaningful a fight as Holyfield-Donald.

Neuraxis
12-20-2004, 05:24 PM
so it is a good KO rate, right?

Not good, great. The only top 20 fighters besides TOS to have a KO % of 85% and up are Vitali, Mesi, Wlad, Peter, Brewster, and Tyson.

Lefthookhappy19
12-20-2004, 05:42 PM
ahh....damn good point (and i dont say that much)

wlad getting owned and ko'ed is still on a lot of ppl mind..its not like vitali losing to lewis and byrd (lewis and byrd won the fight but dint beat vitali get me) but still was ahead on scorecards..or like wlad dominating lamon then losing..but in that fight wlad was owned and that still on a lots of ppl's minds.

i still say wlad fights toney...winning this fight can say a lot and will get his reputation back...toney cant hit hard so its a plus

Wlad would give Toney the beating of his life. This is a one or two round beatdown. He beats him worse than his brother would because of his greater punching power.

reebox8225
12-20-2004, 05:45 PM
Wlad sucks, he is threw.

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 05:52 PM
Not good, great. The only top 20 fighters besides TOS to have a KO % of 85% and up are Vitali, Mesi, Wlad, Peter, Brewster, and Tyson.


Wlad had some guts to choose to fight Williamson right after a TKO loss.

Nautilus
12-20-2004, 05:54 PM
Wlad sucks...

not more that you do