View Full Version : Jorge Arce's Greatness?


Perfect Plex
05-10-2011, 05:26 PM
How do you rate him on a ATG scale? Is he a top 100?

He's held world title in 4 weight division's(Although he only held the WBC INTERIM title at Flyweight)

He made 7 defence's of his WBC Light Flyweight Title.
1 defence of his WBO Light Flyweight Title.
4 defences of his WBC interim Flyweight Title.
1 defence of the WBA interim Super Flyweight Title.
And he's also won the WBO title at Super Flyweight & Super Bantamweight

He holds wins over Yo-Sam Choi, Melchor Cob Castro, Rosendo Alvarez, Martin Castillo, & Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.

I find his record very impressive. He has great longativity, and he's really went through the weights and fought the best of the best.

Boxing Bob
05-10-2011, 06:33 PM
ATG? yeah OK. Top 100? naw, I could easily think of 100 fighters better

JAB5239
05-10-2011, 06:50 PM
ATG? yeah OK. Top 100? naw, I could easily think of 100 fighters better

Easily? Do tell!

talip bin osman
05-10-2011, 07:10 PM
arce is a great action fighter... he is one of my all time favorites... but i honestly think he still dwells in a level below gonzalez and carbajal...

him avenging his loss to darchinyan and/or mijares or beating sum1 like donaire might make me change my mind though...

BigStereotype
05-10-2011, 08:19 PM
arce is a great action fighter... he is one of my all time favorites... but i honestly think he still dwells in a level below gonzalez and carbajal...

him avenging his loss to darchinyan and/or mijares or beating sum1 like donaire might make me change my mind though...

Don't count on it. He doesn't have much power at jr. feather, he's just active and throws with intent. Against an average fighter like WV2, that's enough. Darchinyan and Donaire both destroy him and I don't know enough about Mijares to make a judgement. But Arce is a great great fighter. Top 100? Maybe, but I don't think so just based on gut feeling. Top 150? Certainly.

Luffy
05-10-2011, 08:44 PM
is undeniable

crold1
05-10-2011, 08:53 PM
He's ok. Lots of fun but about as much an ATG as Leo Gamez. He lost, most of the time badly, to the best of his opponents outside of Choi or caught guys who were shot (like Alvarez and Castillo). Arce's 'four' titles show off how easy it can be to cherry pick with not only four belts per class but also interim crap if one is above average and granted enough opportunities. His belt at 115 was, literally, almost a thanks for trying award after losing in every attempt to win a belt there. he was basically given a belt for beating a no hoper. The belt last weekend came against someone who was realistically a mid-level to marginal top ten 122 guy in a down period for the division.

Love to watch Arce, but a 'great' he ain't.

IronDanHamza
05-10-2011, 09:17 PM
He's ok. Lots of fun but about as much an ATG as Leo Gamez. He lost, most of the time badly, to the best of his opponents outside of Choi or caught guys who were shot (like Alvarez and Castillo). Arce's 'four' titles show off how easy it can be to cherry pick with not only four belts per class but also interim crap if one is above average and granted enough opportunities. His belt at 115 was, literally, almost a thanks for trying award after losing in every attempt to win a belt there. he was basically given a belt for beating a no hoper. The belt last weekend came against someone who was realistically a mid-level to marginal top ten 122 guy in a down period for the division.

Love to watch Arce, but a 'great' he ain't.

I am in absolute agreement with this statment.

Forza
05-10-2011, 11:03 PM
HOF material by far. ATG maybe but that is pushing it. Top 100 hell no

A badass? For sure

New England
05-11-2011, 09:59 AM
I am in absolute agreement with this statment.


i tend to be a bit more liberal with my standard of great-making qualities in fighters than some of the others on the board


pardon me for boiling it down, but at some level you know a great fighter when you see one

i saw one on saturday night beating the stuffing out of an unbelievably talented, younger, stronger, and faster man



yeah, vasquez junior has only been boxing for a handful of years and if i remember correctly had zero experience in the amateurs,
but you couldn't tell that from looking at the kid.


plenty of folk in the boxing community have been asserting that arce likely punched his ticket into canasta w/ his fight with vasquez
i don't think he's going to get in five years to the day after he retires
it could be quite some time
and he's certainly one of the least crafty men to be in the hall of fame

but i cant think of many contemporary men (especially of similar size) that deserve to get the nod that are going to keep arce out year after year after year



another big win or two isn't going to hurt his chances either
and he does appear to have at least a bit left in the tank

Pastrano
05-11-2011, 12:07 PM
Forget the titles, WHO did he beat?? He lost to a past prime Carbajal (got koed, no less) and was demolished by Vic D easily. Also got totally outclassed by Mijares...he's just a fighter with longevity and heart but his skills are definitely in question.

Steak
05-12-2011, 03:54 PM
I admire Arce for his outstanding tenacity and body punching. but a 'great' is a HUGE stretch. I dont mean to put him down, but talent wise the guy just cant hold a candle to real greats.

I think he is a prime example of how meaningless and misleading belts are in this day and age. and how moving up in weight isnt nearly as big a deal as some people make it out to be. technically he moved up in weight and won more 'belts' than clearly better greats like JCC, Sanchez, Olivares, etc. but to suggest he was greater than them is simply ludicrous.

that being said, I really respect him as a fighter, and definitely think he accomplished much more than many other fighters who had more boxing talent than him.