View Full Version : Why no Tszyu/Phillips II??


Pastrano
05-05-2011, 08:04 PM
Does anybody know why there was no rematch?? Who was to blame? I reckon Kostya would want to avenge that loss, at that point his lone one. I guess Phillips didn't wanna fight him again, or?

Scott9945
05-05-2011, 08:35 PM
Every indication was that the Zoo Crew didn't really want it. There were no bigger money fights for Vince so it's highly unlikely he was declining a career high payday against someone he had already KO'd.

Walt Liquor
05-05-2011, 08:48 PM
Every indication was that the Zoo Crew didn't really want it. There were no bigger money fights for Vince so it's highly unlikely he was declining a career high payday against someone he had already KO'd.

well, what happened was that zoo was aiming for the rematch but vince got knocked out by terron millet a few fights after...then he went to ww...

he lost a couple fights and the luster wore off of him and he came back to 140 when zoo was unifying the belts and looking for big game (zab/sharmba...)

they were eyeballing vince for a rematch then he lost to sharmba and hatton back to back..plus this is when kostya's career was winding down. he blew out sharmba and had injury problems. by then vince was pretty much at gatekeeper status

Scott9945
05-05-2011, 10:57 PM
well, what happened was that zoo was aiming for the rematch but vince got knocked out by terron millet a few fights after...then he went to ww...

he lost a couple fights and the luster wore off of him and he came back to 140 when zoo was unifying the belts and looking for big game (zab/sharmba...)

they were eyeballing vince for a rematch then he lost to sharmba and hatton back to back..plus this is when kostya's career was winding down. he blew out sharmba and had injury problems. by then vince was pretty much at gatekeeper status

Phillips didn't lose to Millet for almost two years and four title defenses later. If Tszyu wanted that rematch it would have happened. Nobody ever heard KT call out for Phillips either.

Wild Blue Yonda
05-05-2011, 11:57 PM
At one point at least, Phillips wanted it, Tszyu never appeared to. It really seems cut-&-dry that way, if you were following it at the time & recall the business.

IMDAZED
05-06-2011, 10:11 AM
Tszyu wasn't interested in a rematch. Phillips at 140 was a monster.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 10:36 AM
Tszyu wasn't interested in a rematch. Phillips at 140 was a monster.

Is that why he got beat down by MILLETT? A guy Gatti knocked out in 4. Ok, he was dangerous and certainly gave Quartey problems, but he was far from invincible. I think Tszyu would def beat him in the rematch. Show the man some respect!

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 10:52 AM
You are a Tszyu hater obviously, calling him by that name and saying all that stuff. Shame on you!:nono:

Calm down Fanboy. I was always a Kostya Tszyu fan. But I am a boxing fan first, and the fact that he didn't seek a Phillips rematch is something you just have to accept. Don't ask questions that you don't want the answers to. Everyone here knows that I'm correct.

And the "Zoo Crew" was what his team was popularly known as everywhere. It is not an insult.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 11:05 AM
Calm down Fanboy. I was always a Kostya Tszyu fan. But I am a boxing fan first, and the fact that he didn't seek a Phillips rematch is something you just have to accept. Don't ask questions that you don't want the answers to. Everyone here knows that I'm correct.

And the "Zoo Crew" was what his team was popularly known as everywhere. It is not an insult.

Gimme a link that states he didn't seek a rematch otherwise its just bs.

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 11:11 AM
Gimme a link that states he didn't seek a rematch otherwise its just bs.

I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise. How am I supposed to prove that someone didn't want something? The facts (already stated in this thread) speak for themselves. Sorry that you are too immature and irrational to accept them.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 11:29 AM
I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise. How am I supposed to prove that someone didn't want something? The facts (already stated in this thread) speak for themselves. Sorry that you are too immature and irrational to accept them.

Well, Walt said it. By the time Tszyu again became champion, Phillips was no longer and then he lost a couple of big fights and then the will to fight him stagnated in Kostya...he saw the man was no longer prime and he didn't want him anymore, since beating him wouldn't prove much. Satisfied now?:rolleyes:

IMDAZED
05-06-2011, 11:51 AM
Is that why he got beat down by MILLETT? A guy Gatti knocked out in 4. Ok, he was dangerous and certainly gave Quartey problems, but he was far from invincible. I think Tszyu would def beat him in the rematch. Show the man some respect!

Wow...just wow.

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 11:51 AM
Well, Walt said it. By the time Tszyu again became champion, Phillips was no longer and then he lost a couple of big fights and then the will to fight him stagnated in Kostya...he saw the man was no longer prime and he didn't want him anymore, since beating him wouldn't prove much. Satisfied now?:rolleyes:

So explain to me why Tszyu didn't try to win the title back from the man who beat him? There is a major time gap that you're (conveniently) ignoring. He won an interim title and just waited for Phillips to fade from the scene.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 12:00 PM
So explain to me why Tszyu didn't try to win the title back from the man who beat him? There is a major time gap that you're (conveniently) ignoring. He won an interim title and just waited for Phillips to fade from the scene.

Who knows, as I said, maybe PHILLIPS didn't wanna fight him yet? What makes you so sure Phillips wanted a rematch?! Coz he's AMERICAN?:fu2:

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 12:15 PM
Phillips didn't lose to Millet for almost two years and four title defenses later. If Tszyu wanted that rematch it would have happened. Nobody ever heard KT call out for Phillips either.


KT didn't call for an immediate rematch, that's for sure and indisputable. but i remember that when sharmba and vince fought about 5 years after VP ko'd zoo, that fight was known to be an eliminator type fight with the Zoo set to face the winner. after sharmba got tko'd cuz of the knee (allegedly)

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 12:34 PM
Who knows, as I said, maybe PHILLIPS didn't wanna fight him yet? What makes you so sure Phillips wanted a rematch?! Coz he's AMERICAN?:fu2:

I'm just going to bump this and allow your idiocy to speak for itself. After all the times here that I've defended Lewis, the Klitschko's, and many other non Americans, your accusations are just comical. Everyone here knows which one of us has an agenda.

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 02:50 PM
http://www.********boxing.com/news/shaw2509.php


plug in esb

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm just going to bump this and allow your idiocy to speak for itself. After all the times here that I've defended Lewis, the Klitschko's, and many other non Americans, your accusations are just comical. Everyone here knows which one of us has an agenda.

:popcorn::kabong: I can't stand your bias, you call yourself a Tszyu-fan, yet you keep INSISTING he didn't wanna fight Phillips again! And btw, its "TZOO", not Zoo. Americans can't pronounce anything.:nonono:

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 03:19 PM
so you two are gonna go all pak/floyd on this thread and ignore the legitimate responses?

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 03:22 PM
so you two are gonna go all pak/floyd on this thread and ignore the legitimate responses?

:lol1: What legitimate responses, that broken link of yours?:p Just kiddin', this guy won't hear any reason. You explained it well, but he just won't listen. If he's really a Tszyu fan, then he's the kind that loves to torture himself.:rofl:

The_Demon
05-06-2011, 03:28 PM
Tsyzu and his team didnt want a rematch,if they did they would have made an effort too get one,it's as simple as that really,this is coming From a huge KT fan aswell

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 04:06 PM
:lol1: What legitimate responses, that broken link of yours?:p Just kiddin', this guy won't hear any reason. You explained it well, but he just won't listen. If he's really a Tszyu fan, then he's the kind that loves to torture himself.:rofl:

No, like I told you, I'm a boxing fan and you are a fanboy. Even the one person here who you thought was your ally knows now that you are a buffoon. Just tell me why Phillips would ever refuse the biggest payday in his career? I'll await your next diversion since reality is something that you seem to have trouble dealing with, fanboy.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 04:12 PM
No, like I told you, I'm a boxing fan and you are a fanboy. Even the one person here who you thought was your ally knows now that you are a buffoon. Just tell me why Phillips would ever refuse the biggest payday in his career? I'll await your next diversion since reality is something that you seem to have trouble dealing with, fanboy.

Oh, I'm heartbroken!:crying: Not.:rolleyes: I won't even bother discussing this further with a self-righteous, stubborn guy like you. Walt already gave you the reason why it didn't happen yet you keep stabbing at poor Kostya.:nonono:

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 04:27 PM
lets not pick sides on whose side people are on....this isn't WWIII

i merely stated what was going down at the time and its not that kostya didn't want any or was scared of the rematch. there were other circumstances going down

zoo didn't go hunting for the rematch, but he was willing to fight vince, he definitely didn't hide from him.

if vince didn't lose to sharmba the fight woulda happened.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 04:29 PM
lets not pick sides on whose side people are on....this isn't WWIII

i merely stated what was going down at the time and its not that kostya didn't want any or was scared of the rematch. there were other circumstances going down

zoo didn't go hunting for the rematch, but he was willing to fight vince, he definitely didn't hide from him.

if vince didn't lose to sharmba the fight woulda happened.

Fak, its an INSULT just to suggest that Kostya was SCARED of Phillips! Had it been someone else, like Floyd or a prime Chavez...but he wanted to fight Floyd and we already know what he did to a not-prime Chavez.

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 06:25 PM
Fak, its an INSULT just to suggest that Kostya was SCARED of Phillips! Had it been someone else, like Floyd or a prime Chavez...but he wanted to fight Floyd and we already know what he did to a not-prime Chavez.

kostya aint scared of shi t, and kostya is hell for boxers. he's a boxer's worst nightmare.

Pastrano
05-06-2011, 06:26 PM
kostya aint scared of shi t, and kostya is hell for boxers. he's a boxer's worst nightmare.

Faking a. He was a destroyer, he'd rip you apart. Leija's ear was fakin PERFORATED!:hitit:

Scott9945
05-06-2011, 06:53 PM
Faking a. He was a destroyer, he'd rip you apart. Leija's ear was fakin PERFORATED!:hitit:

:wank::wank::wank:

Wild Blue Yonda
05-06-2011, 09:06 PM
Two years back, I read one of Tszyu's books ("From Russia, With Gloves") & it was interesting. He couldn't heap enough praise on Hatton, or go to any greater lengths to dispell any potential excuses (injury lay-offs, Hatton's tactics & hometown refereeing, the early time start), but a few chapters back, he makes every excuse in the book for the loss to Phillips. Court cases, training camp distractions, under-estimating his opponent...fighters are emotional & complex beasts, & they deal with defeat in emotional & complex ways. Make of it what you will, but for whatever reason, he just appears entirely unaccepting of the loss to Phillips, while acknowledging that Hatton was just flat too good for him.

bose
05-06-2011, 09:53 PM
tszyu was always passive after the phillips fight and not the same fighter after the phillips fight. the only times i can see the tszyu of old come back was when he showed up against mitchell 2,

tszyu used to be a killer and fought many tough fighters early in his career, he should have never lost to phillips, but he gassed out, thats why he lost,

phillips from what i remember went up in weight and fought quartey and got destroyed, but i don't recall if he had already lost the belt won from tszyu,

after the phillips fight, tzyus new boxing style was a bit boring, he and barrera had identical paths in this way that after they lost both became boxers where they used to be killers in the ring looking for blood and a tough fight with anyone willing to go toe to toe

tszyus fight with hector lopez is a forgotten war that many forget, very even fight, i wish tszyu would have stuck around, but am not sure he was every the same mentally after the phillips fight though i seen flashs of his greatness again against mitchell

Wild Blue Yonda
05-06-2011, 09:59 PM
tszyu was always passive after the phillips fight and not the same fighter after the phillips fight. the only times i can see the tszyu of old come back was when he showed up against mitchell 2,

tszyu used to be a killer and fought many tough fighters early in his career, he should have never lost to phillips, but he gassed out, thats why he lost,

phillips from what i remember went up in weight and fought quartey and got destroyed, but i don't recall if he had already lost the belt won from tszyu,

after the phillips fight, tzyus new boxing style was a bit boring, he and barrera had identical paths in this way that after they lost both became boxers where they used to be killers in the ring looking for blood and a tough fight with anyone willing to go toe to toe

tszyus fight with hector lopez is a forgotten war that many forget, very even fight, i wish tszyu would have stuck around, but am not sure he was every the same mentally after the phillips fight though i seen flashs of his greatness again against mitchell



Add his mauling of Leija to the list of vintage savagery, & since you brought up Lopez in the context of forgotten or under-rated wars, a definite mention is the fast & furious clash with Hurtado.

bose
05-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Add his mauling of Leija to the list of vintage savagery, & since you brought up Lopez in the context of forgotten or under-rated wars, a definite mention is the fast & furious clash with Hurtado.

damn, i forgot the hurtado fight, wasn't untill he got knocked down that he looked like the tszyu of old, i forgot he fought lejia too, he should have fought antonio diaz but wbc didn't rank him don't know why but there was talks for a bit of tszyu v. ward fight, tszyu too good for both guys but wars for sure well, tactical war

Walt Liquor
05-06-2011, 11:14 PM
tszyu was always passive after the phillips fight and not the same fighter after the phillips fight. the only times i can see the tszyu of old come back was when he showed up against mitchell 2,

tszyu used to be a killer and fought many tough fighters early in his career, he should have never lost to phillips, but he gassed out, thats why he lost,

phillips from what i remember went up in weight and fought quartey and got destroyed, but i don't recall if he had already lost the belt won from tszyu,

after the phillips fight, tzyus new boxing style was a bit boring, he and barrera had identical paths in this way that after they lost both became boxers where they used to be killers in the ring looking for blood and a tough fight with anyone willing to go toe to toe

tszyus fight with hector lopez is a forgotten war that many forget, very even fight, i wish tszyu would have stuck around, but am not sure he was every the same mentally after the phillips fight though i seen flashs of his greatness again against mitchell


yes, he moved up after he got ko's by terron millet.

i diagree with the bold. the hurtado fight, the mag fight , hurtado, grove, leija...


i give it to you on the tackie and urkal fights but he started getting fragile

Pastrano
05-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Two years back, I read one of Tszyu's books ("From Russia, With Gloves") & it was interesting. He couldn't heap enough praise on Hatton, or go to any greater lengths to dispell any potential excuses (injury lay-offs, Hatton's tactics & hometown refereeing, the early time start), but a few chapters back, he makes every excuse in the book for the loss to Phillips. Court cases, training camp distractions, under-estimating his opponent...fighters are emotional & complex beasts, & they deal with defeat in emotional & complex ways. Make of it what you will, but for whatever reason, he just appears entirely unaccepting of the loss to Phillips, while acknowledging that Hatton was just flat too good for him.
:rofl: You lost your whole case and credibility there. Hatton too good for him?? It was a case of young vs notsoyoung, prime vs past prime and also Hatton's rough tactics. I'm a fan of Ricky too, but he fought pretty dirty there and everybody knows it. Yes, the ref was partial too. Watch the fight carefully.

Wild Blue Yonda
05-07-2011, 08:18 PM
Apparently, youre not familiar with the word, 'quote.' Those are Tszyus words, not mine.