Two of the hardest hittin heavyweights going at it. Who do you think would win this slugfest?

Here are two slow starters, who each rely heavily on one punch (Frazier: the left hook, Marciano: right cross/hook). They also happen to be the two most determined heavyweights to ever fight. The pressure they would put on each other would produce one hell of a display of brutality. I think Frazier would have early success with his quicker punches and varying punches from body to head. However, Marciano keeps coming forward and his punches take a larger toll on Frazier than vice verca. Marciano by close, close decision.

Joe by KO.

Frazier would win by decision.

These fighters are very evenly matched they have granite chins and their punches pack a lot of power. I think Rocky would lose on cuts.

i dont know how even this fight is, i think frazier is MUCH more skilled than marciano. look how often he made guys like ali miss him with punches, the guy moved constantly for 15 rounds and slipped beautifully. he also had faster handspeed. rock was a much easier target to contain. im not even sure if id give rock an edge in power, just for kicks i'll say rock has a better chin even though he never faced anyone with the power of george foreman. stamina level is equal. im going to pick frazier by ud

nah, rocky wins this one. Marciano was Frazier's idol, he'd be scared of the rock, or show him too much respect. the rock wins by KO i think there could be a lot of knockdowns in this fight - i see both guys getting KD'd at least twice

wow a non biased room..i see marciano getting busted up and cut and the ref saves him from being embarassed 3 or 4 round that is it

Yet again, we see an un biased opinion from Imnorw about the Great Marciano.

I see Frazier being K.O'd in around 7 rounds.

Joe would not back down, he never knew how to, thats why Foreman destroyed him.

lol and i see how white you are of course you are going to pick a white guy to beat a black buy..it is how your racially biased race works..marciano is no foreman ..just because foreman ko'd frazier how the hell would marciano do it?he isnt as big or strong or tough as foreman..he gets knocked out when ever frazier lands one big punch.how about you go to a kkk forum so you can just say every white man could beat any black man

"of course you are going to pick a white guy to beat a black buy..it is how your racially biased race works.."
Thanx for the laugh. Think about what you said.

Frazier by tko 4.

Rocky Marciano by KO. This fight would be amazing.

i think Marciano would KO him in about 4 or 5. :p

i think Marciano would KO him in about 4 or 5. :p

jope ko by 6

Frazier by decision

I was just talking about this fantasy matchup last night. I say Frazier by UD. The two of them were practically identical but Frazier's in-ring ability puts Rocky's to shame and that would make all the difference.

I'm not so sure about identical. Similar is a better word.

For one, Marciano had a knockout punch in both his left hook and right cross/overhand right. Frazier had a strong left hook, but his right was much weaker than Marciano's left. This is one of the Rock's big advantages in this fight as it is much easier to avoid a left hook than it is to have to avoid a big left hook and a monster right.

Frazier had the better, quicker jab and used it with better success. I would say in general his handspeed was better, but it wasn't a huge edge. Neither were speedsters.

Frazier's chin was nowhere near as good as Marciano'. Marciano was dropped briefly two times in his career, both by sneaky hooks thrown by Walcott and later by Moore. He quickly got up and was unphased both times. They were flash knockdowns. Frazier on the other hand was nearly knocked completely out by Oscar Bonavena and was even wobbled by Ron Stander who was a tough guy but only a decent puncher and crude as all hell. Frazier had a solid chin but it was nothing like Marciano's.

Stamina is one thing that was pretty equal; both guys were in phenomenal shape and put themselves through hell in training camp.

Defense and headmovement I'd give to Frazier by the slightest of margins. Marciano was not as wide open as his detractors want to believe, but Frazier's unusual version of the bob and weave was a superior form of defense IMO. Then again, Marciano as champion was never tagged hard by anyone as crude as Ron Stander or Bonavena.

All in all they are pretty different fighters when you look at them closely. The biggest similarities were their heights and workrates.

What a fight this would be! An all out war from the beginning. No matter who won this, I would not be surprised. Frazier was bigger, faster and had better head movement. How ever, I see the outcome of this fight depending on power, chin and stamina. Here, I give Marciano the edge.

Marciano by late tko.

How is this a racial issue. How can you say that Foreman is tougher than Marciano. Foreman got KO'd by Ali, Ali was not a knockout fighter. Frazier would land some big punches but Marciano had a jaw of iron. This would be a toe to toe fight and Marciano could take anything and dish out better than Frazier. Frazier could throw a hard punch or two and back off but Marciano could throw non stop hard punches for a whole 15 rounds. Marciano had too much power and stamina and was not afraid to take 3 punches to land 1.

Rocky would win by KO in the 11th.

Oh, I put that one on the wrong Marciano vs. Frazier Page

frazier is marciano, only better. frazier in 4.

Frazier doesn't have the chin, and was hit far too often, to hold up to Marciano's power.

Marciano by KO in 7.

Frazier doesn't have the chin, and was hit far too often, to hold up to Marciano's power.

Marciano by KO in 7.
yea Fraziers speed would keep Marciano at bay for alittle while but it just wouldn't be enough

Marciano by KO ......

Probably Frazier by TKO, but this would be so hard and tough that both guys will take some hard shots.

hard fight top pich id say rock by late ko ore frazier by cuts

only thing fraziers got over Marciano for sure is Footwork and handspeed but people underestimate Marciano's chance of getting inside, i'd say he could get inside on almost anybody

only thing fraziers got over Marciano for sure is Footwork and handspeed but people underestimate Marciano's chance of getting inside, i'd say he could get inside on almost anybody

not ali, liston, foreman, or tyson.

Ali most likely
liston yes
Foreman- would be tough

once he gets in on Ali ali would be screwed Angelo Dundee even pointed out taht "Ali's only flaw is he can't deal with inside fighters, his speed was so key that we never developed his in fighting or much of his defense, he was just to amazingly fast"---this is why he had trouble with Fighters like Joe Frazier-swarmers.

Angelo Dundee-or somebody that sounds like him pointed out that when you fight somebody like Marciano a 24ft ring quicly becomes a 12 foot ring, which goes to 6 ft and next thing you know your on the ropes, he put so much pressure on ppl

Ali most likely
liston yes
Foreman- would be tough

once he gets in on Ali ali would be screwed Angelo Dundee even pointed out taht "Ali's only flaw is he can't deal with inside fighters, his speed was so key that we never developed his in fighting or much of his defense, he was just to amazingly fast"---this is why he had trouble with Fighters like Joe Frazier-swarmers.

Angelo Dundee-or somebody that sounds like him pointed out that when you fight somebody like Marciano a 24ft ring quicly becomes a 12 foot ring, which goes to 6 ft and next thing you know your on the ropes, he put so much pressure on ppl

frazier applied much more pressure than marciano. if marciano got into ali ali would just hold him and push him back just like he did liston.

it would probably be harder for marciano to get into liston than foreman since:

liston has a longer reach than foreman
liston had faster hands than foreman
liston's defense was better than foreman's

foreman had more power, but not by a longshot, so liston would be even harder for marciano to penetrate than foreman, IMO.

I'm not so sure about identical. Similar is a better word.

For one, Marciano had a knockout punch in both his left hook and right cross/overhand right. Frazier had a strong left hook, but his right was much weaker than Marciano's left. This is one of the Rock's big advantages in this fight as it is much easier to avoid a left hook than it is to have to avoid a big left hook and a monster right.


A big left hook and a monster right, you're correct he did posess both these punches, but i don't think Joe is going to get tagged by this combo too often. Rocky marciano didn't posess the timing, speed, accuracy, and technical prowess in general to land that kind of combo on Frazier regulary. He may have posessed power in both hands but he was no Joe Louis. It would be a slugfest, Rocky the power advantage, joe the skills. 50/50 for me.

only thing fraziers got over Marciano for sure is Footwork and handspeed but people underestimate Marciano's chance of getting inside, i'd say he could get inside on almost anybody

On the inside he would meet a man with greater handspeed, as good if not a better workrate who could work the body over like no other. Rocky may have greater punching power, but applying it effectively is a different story. He would definately have trouble landing clean shots on Joe's chin and would eat alot of left hooks in the process. I don't think it would be as one-sided as you are implying.

Ali most likely
liston yes
Foreman- would be tough

once he gets in on Ali ali would be screwed Angelo Dundee even pointed out taht "Ali's only flaw is he can't deal with inside fighters, his speed was so key that we never developed his in fighting or much of his defense, he was just to amazingly fast"---this is why he had trouble with Fighters like Joe Frazier-swarmers.

Angelo Dundee-or somebody that sounds like him pointed out that when you fight somebody like Marciano a 24ft ring quicly becomes a 12 foot ring, which goes to 6 ft and next thing you know your on the ropes, he put so much pressure on ppl

He wouldn't be screwed at all. Thats a ridiculous exaggeration. Marciano wasn't as good a inside fighter as Joe nor did he cut of the ring as good as Joe. He did not apply the same level of pressure as Joe nor did he have the accuracy and handspeed to counter Ali's straight punching as sucessfully. Fraziers bread and butter punch was the left-hook, the punch Ali was most sucesceptible to... not the right cross. And i realise Marciano possesed a left hook, but unlike his right cross it wasn't short and explosive. More of a bludgeoning blow. It required more then brutish power to overwhelm Ali, it required decent technical ability. The words of one historian come to mind 'Ali was simply too fast and fancy for the rock' - simplistic but i believe them to be true. Don't get me wrong, i think Rocky was an awesome fighter and i respect him. He fought anybody and everybody and he was TOUGH, but like all fighters he could be beaten and he was flawed.

u underate marcianos skill heckler. marcianos inside fighting was better than fraziers.

He wouldn't be screwed at all. Thats a ridiculous exaggeration. Marciano wasn't as good a inside fighter as Joe nor did he cut of the ring as good as Joe. He did not apply the same level of pressure as Joe nor did he have the accuracy and handspeed to counter Ali's straight punching as sucessfully. Fraziers bread and butter punch was the left-hook, the punch Ali was most sucesceptible to... not the right cross. And i realise Marciano possesed a left hook, but unlike his right cross it wasn't short and explosive. More of a bludgeoning blow. It required more then brutish power to overwhelm Ali, it required decent technical ability. The words of one historian come to mind 'Ali was simply too fast and fancy for the rock' - simplistic but i believe them to be true. Don't get me wrong, i think Rocky was an awesome fighter and i respect him. He fought anybody and everybody and he was TOUGH, but like all fighters he could be beaten and he was flawed.
i disagree
Marciano was a better in fighter then frazier and was better at doing it because his style aloud him to do so, and he was shorter

i disagree
Marciano was a better in fighter then frazier and was better at doing it because his style aloud him to do so, and he was shorter

oooooooohh, one inch, wooow! :rolleyes:

oooooooohh, one inch, wooow! :rolleyes:
Stop under mining my defense!!!!!
:p
Still like i said Frazier had better handspeed and footwork but i don't think he had the edge in anything else

marciano was defintley more unpredictable than frazier, thats clear on film because marciano's so ackward and he can duck, slip, roll at all angles and throw punches at all different bizarre angles.


"marcianos the only fighter in history i know of that can punch from a slip" - angelo dundee

He was crude and wild and Ali would land shots straight down the pipe all night. Joe was sucessful against Ali because he applied so much pressure and was very accurate with that left hook, was able to nullify Ali's straight punching. Marciano wouldn't do this aswell. Joe was the greater inside fighter IMO, worked over the body better without a doubt.

He was crude and wild and Ali would land shots straight down the pipe all night. Joe was sucessful against Ali because he applied so much pressure and was very accurate with that left hook, was able to nullify Ali's straight punching. Marciano wouldn't do this aswell. Joe was the greater inside fighter IMO, worked over the body better without a doubt.

Lets not turn this into another Ali vs Marciano thread!