Official Tarver-Johnson Decision Thread [Archive]

grayfist

12-19-2004, 12:26 AM

I called it Tarver, laid up a little of my points on him for a KO/TKO ending, so, now...

Seems to me that Antonio has this special talent for losing fights he could have won; he did that in Jones Jr. 1, and now...

Or is it that Tarver doesn't have the lungs so he needs to sit back and give some rounds away?

Or is Tarver one of those big punchers who get thoroughly unsettled/ disoriented when foes don't fall when they land haymakers?

Whatever. I had Tarver winning by 2 points too. But then...

Hey, Antonio, get some stamina and run the road more, not just your mouth!! And, while you're at it, drop in some place where they sell maturity and buy some! If your corner told you to take it easy in some rounds, maybe it's because they know you don't have what it takes to sustain the effort, which you should have. You're a pro; be one.

Credit to Johnson. He may not have the skills and talent of a great champ, like he has said, but with his heart and resolve he sure makes up, plus, he gets some of the better-skilled and talented ones look not too special; and that counts for lots! :) Johnson is a pro; he gives his fans their money's worth in terms of effort. Compared to what many boxers do (including stars), that's saying a mouthful. ;)

TheGreat1

12-19-2004, 01:06 AM

it was a goo fight but very easy to score, i don't c how they ****ed this up. tarver is a great boxer and showed it tonight.

Tyson_Bit_Holyfields_Ear

12-19-2004, 01:10 AM

Maybe they figured Johnson finally deserved a decision. His career has been plauged by injustices.

abdiel2k3

12-19-2004, 01:17 AM

that pennut head wasnt robbed
it was close goin to the championshoip rounds
then his ass just starts given away rounds
and taken it easy
just liek with roy
he fades in the last rounds

but to be fair
both tarver and johnson suck
good thing they gave up the titles
none deserve em
not based on this ridiculous fight
looked like they didnt even bother training for it

julDilla

12-19-2004, 01:19 AM

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The Fix

12-19-2004, 02:49 AM

i thought johnson won because of his aggresiveness and ring generalship. i had it 115-113 or 7-5

TheGreat1

12-19-2004, 06:35 AM

i thought johnson won because of his aggresiveness and ring generalship. i had it 115-113 or 7-5

yeah, but tarver was landing more clean shots, hell he even threw more. Glen was just swinging wildly. i had it 8-4 tarver. all in all though, it was a good fight.

Hudson_Hawk

12-19-2004, 06:58 AM

Common guys Johnson deserves that win. He worked hard for it. It is as close as it can be. What more can we ask for? ;)

tri4ben2

12-19-2004, 09:33 AM

I had it the same as harold letterman except I had Tarver winning the 11th as well as the 12th.

Also, at the end of the 4th or 5th (I can't remember right now), Johnson was winning the round before Tarver schooled him during the last minute and especially the last 30 seconds. I didn't want to, but I gave that round to Tarver as well.

Tarver was landing clean punches at the end of the fight and a lot of them, even though there wasn't that much power behind them.

Johnson had many of his late round punches blocked.

And I don't think that I am being biased because I wanted Johnson to win, but I was surprised that he did.

All in all, this fight was too close for both of them to be happy with the decision.

I would watch the rematch, but not if it was a PPV main event, wheich is probably what they think right now.

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12-19-2004, 09:43 AM

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12-19-2004, 10:25 AM

Lol, I'll admit this is some funny stuff even with me being the butt of the joke...

This is going to be an interesting month...

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jpboxer3

12-19-2004, 10:27 AM

Better start wearing it ASAP,lol.December 19th to January 19th. 30days left!

Duncan

12-19-2004, 10:30 AM

I see why JPBoxer is such a huge Johnson fan. Man, this fight was exciting because of one man: Glen Johnson!! He pressed the action and forced the fight to be an exciting brawl + boxing match. Johnson is amazing, working as a construction worker to support his boxing career and finally getting the glory. He knows what hard work is like. And such a humble guy. WHOOOOOOOOOO!! WHAT A FIGHT! WHOOOOOOOO!! YEAH!!!!!!!

:D :D :D :D
I think there is an argument for Tarver to win, for sure. But there was absolutely no robbery. Johnson could have legitimetly won that fight, no question.

Duncan

12-19-2004, 10:33 AM

These goddamned judges are INCOMPETENT. This fight was not even close.

Tarver whipped up on this guy who has very few skills.
Are you serious? Say that Tarver won and you have a legitimate argument. But to say that Tarver laid a whoopin on Johnson is almost non-sensical. Tarver got as good as he gave. Close fight, and not a corrupt decision.

jack_the_rippuh

12-19-2004, 10:40 AM

Better start wearing it ASAP,lol.December 19th to January 19th. 30days left!

The title is too long..

jpboxer3

12-19-2004, 10:44 AM

The title is too long..

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marvdave

12-19-2004, 11:13 AM

my score card said draw, but before i added it up, the fight looked like a Johnson victory to me. Could have gone either way. rematch please!

m00ks

12-19-2004, 11:16 AM

I had Tarver winning by a hair. Anyweyz, neither fighter looked amazing. it was exactly as I pictured it.

riz

12-19-2004, 11:23 AM

i think that tarver won the fight, with a clear cut decision. sure it was close, but i don't think any rounds are disputable in the fight, i gave it exactly like harold lederman. i wouldn't have been surprised if it was a draw, but two judges for johsnon?? a bit questionable IMO. but the judges were terrible. one gave the morales barrera 2 fight, to barrera 116-112. the other one i can't remember what fight they judged, but it was pretty bad. a rematch is deserved for tarver

PacKillsMorales

12-19-2004, 11:31 AM

All i got to say is PAY UP!

well ya predicted who the judges would favour :D
nah kiddin..well done. :cool: to johnson :D

hardly makes johnson lgt hw king.
the guys beaten woods (joke) jones (washed up)
and tarver.
tarvers record aint much better.

so who will johnson have to fight to unify???
not sure who the other chapms are.

borikua

12-19-2004, 11:57 AM

great fight by Johnson...
did anyone saw that ring card girl :eek: damn she's hot...

Soundtraveler

12-19-2004, 12:38 PM

First of all, I thought it was a great fight, with all the lead changes you could hope for. Congrats to both fighters for puting on a show worthy of the ticket prices, which can be a rarity in boxing.

As for the outcome on the judges scorecards, I don't see how you could give it to either fighter by more than a round. Depending on what you like to see in a fighter in order to give him the round, this fight could even have been ruled a draw, and I would not argue the decision.

Here's the thing boxing fans, for Tarver, who did land some good shots, and most likely landed the majority of the "flashy" punches, by and large it was more the "pitty pat" punches on his part. I personally don't care for that style, I prefer an honest "bad intensions" hard punch.

The problem for Tarver was, in my opinion, that Johnson has the ability to "pick off" punches with his elbows and with his gloves, and he did it all night. For those of you who have been close enough to the action, you can tell by the sound of a punch if it lands cleanly but also if it is picked off by the defense of the other fighter, especially if it is picked off by the fighters gloves, and if you listened to the punches in this one you would be able to tell that was the case last night.

Johnson may lack in the power department, but he does punch hard, all pros do folks. No, he doesn't have Roy Jones one punch power, but he does have some pop, especially to the body. He is a great body puncher in his own right. More importantly in this one, he applies continuous pressure and is always coming forward as the aggresser, and really dictates the fight. Tarver faded at the end in large part due to Johnson and his body attack, he may have hurt his left hand as he stated, but Johnson hurt his wind with all the body shots.

I had the fight even after 7 with 3 rounds each and one round even. In fact, I had the fight very close with Tarver up by just one round as they went into rounds 10, 11, and 12. In the "Championship Rounds" I had Johnson winning 10 and 11 with a case to be made for either fighter in the 12th and final round. I gave the 12th to Johnson by the narrowest of margins as the last round was very close in my opinion, but Johnson blocked much of what Tarver had to offer and in the last 20 seconds of the fight I had Johnson stealing the round.

I look forward to a REMATCH in this one, in fact I think there may even be a third if they split the first two.

Oh, wait a minute --- hold on ----- after reviewing the scorecards ---- I gave Tarver round 12 not Johnson --- I have the fight a DRAW.....

tracylee

12-19-2004, 12:42 PM

Tarver was robbed. Tarver has proverd that he is the man and once again was robbed.

Let me post this now since I'm short on time, then I'll go back and try and read all the posts on this thread. I had it 115-113 for Tarver...I think that he blew 2 of the championship rd's, just like he did against Jones in their first fight, but did enough earlier on and in the 12th rd. to win the decision. I like both guy's about the same, so it didnt matter to me which on won it; but it bug's me that Johnson did only cause it's just not right, and bad decisions give the sport a bad name. Even Harold Lederman scored it for Tarver! :eek: Sso, Tarver will have to do (in the rematch) just like he did with Jones the 2nd time around, although I dont think knocking out Johnson will be easily accomplished.

!! Anorak

12-19-2004, 12:43 PM

RE: The power. When asked about the power involved between Roy and Glen, Clinton Woods said it was about even, but that one hit harder to the body, the other hit harder to the head. I'm afraid I can't remember which was round it was though.

The Fix

12-19-2004, 01:22 PM

yeah, but tarver was landing more clean shots, hell he even threw more. Glen was just swinging wildly. i had it 8-4 tarver. all in all though, it was a good fight.
i agree it was a great fight and i enjoyed watching it

Great

12-19-2004, 01:50 PM

Johnson is good. He deserved victory.

ELPacman

12-19-2004, 01:51 PM

I wanted Glen to win so much though in the process, to fight like he did vs Roy. That he didn't so much. He looked tired the entire way and very early compared to vs Roy and vs Roy he threw so much more and wasn't as tired. Guess he was more laid back this time around since he already conquered a great. Although I hate Tarver so much because he talks so much and is a complete idiot(wearing the crown was the icing on the cake), I will have to say I feel he was robbed. Was a close fight though the majority of every round I saw Tarver winning it more minus about 2 or 3. I'm happy for Glen though do feel they need a rematch because it wasn't a sealed win and I think he knows it.

riz

12-19-2004, 02:28 PM

i still think that tarver won, but at least johnson is no punk and will probably give him a rematch. by the way, you gyz who scored it for johsnon, can you tell me your round by round scores, just to compare with mine

cmason

12-19-2004, 03:18 PM

i have'nt seen the fight yet, but i'm glad johnson won. tarver has to be the most arrogant sob in boxing and it's good for the game such a nice bloke has won for a change. glen does'nt bad mouth anybody, does'nt say he's great when he's not, he just trains hard and always gives his best.

WillieW

12-19-2004, 03:51 PM

Well, I finaly got to see the fight. Here is my take on it.

I thought Tarver won by a point or 2, but I can't argue the decision too much....it was close. There were a couple of rounds that could have gone either way. Just depends on how you look at it. All in all an entertaining fight. Mainly due to Johnson stinking up Tarvers plan.....well done to Johnson.

Now time to give myself a pat on the back. The fight went exactly how I expected it. I predicted that Tarver would win a disputable decision and fight sloppy, in other words Johnson would not allow him to look good. In that sence, I got it right. Never in a million years would I have thought the Vegas judges would give Johnson the nod. I guess Tarver is not a likable guy. If it had been say RJJ in there in the same fight, Roy would have got the nod. Tarver reminds me of a boxing version to Eddie Haskel....never shuts up, and always wants to say "right" things, but ends up making himself look like an ass. Maybe thats why.

In closing, overall my opinion of both fighters stays the same. Tarver is good.....good only. Johnson is also good, but seems to have a better work ethic and is a bit more willing to let loose, but overall not a world-beater....just a good solid fighter.

Tha Greatest

12-19-2004, 04:07 PM

i was rootin for johsnon
tarver outboxed him
but johnsons punches were 10 times harder

but i think tarver won by a point

but a rematch would be good

FrankJack

12-19-2004, 06:43 PM

tracylee

12-19-2004, 08:18 PM

I was goin for Glen in this fight, but I had Tarver winning by a point also. I got respect for both of these cats though. The man Glen has a full time job to support his fam and his boxing, that's something I can relate to doin. Gotta respect that. I'd hope to see a rematch. But I think that Tarver would win that as I thought he won this fight. This is only about the third fight I've seen Glen in, but it seems to me that he can only fight one way, and that's to keep coming forward. Against Antonio, I can that would probably be best to do in his case, but I really think that his trainer should put some heavy work on him in the gym to improve his footwork and body movement. Cus if coming forward is all that he can do I think Tarver's gonna hurt him in a rematch.

I agree, I've seen Glen fight several times and he's always the very same way...coming straight at ya, no letting up. He did this with Tarver so well that he was completely smothering Tarvers punches; if Tarver had stayed dedicated to his jab he may have been able to keep Glen backed up enough to take full advantage of his reach. ;) Even though I scored it for Tarver 115-113, I had a bad feeling the judges would give it to Johnson cause Tarver completely blew atleast 2 of the championship rounds...you simply dont do that and he should know that better than anyone if only cause of his first fight with Jones!

phallus

12-19-2004, 08:23 PM

tracylee

12-19-2004, 08:28 PM

i'm happy johnson won, tarver slacked off at the end of the fight because he's arrogant, he thought " i'm antonio tarver, i don't need to throw punches to win " , but you can't give up any rounds when the fight is that close. johnson showed the judges he wanted it more

yeah he's an arrogan jerk (no more so than Jones), but I think most of that is an act...he doesnt seem to really believe it, not the way JOnes believed it. I really thought he was just damn exhausted and had been since the 8th or 9th rd. :confused:
Maybe he thought he had it 'in the bag' or, maybe he was just dog tired?/

phallus

12-19-2004, 08:37 PM

yeah he's an arrogan jerk (no more so than Jones), but I think most of that is an act...he doesnt seem to really believe it, not the way JOnes believed it. I really thought he was just damn exhausted and had been since the 8th or 9th rd. :confused:
Maybe he thought he had it 'in the bag' or, maybe he was just dog tired?/

i think tarver thought it was "in the bag", he's been partying all year since he forced a past his prime Roy Jones to lean back. i know Roy was arrogant too, but Jones REALLY WAS THAT GOOD, he's the most naturally talented fighter i've been lucky enough to see in my lifetime. with all the years of hype over Roy Jones, it's not much of surprise to me that he started believing he was superman. i hate tarver because of his cheap win over RJJ, a prime RJJ would have destroyed tarver like he did Montell Griffin in the rematch. i could beat a has been too, and i'm a ****ty amateur, the diference bewteen me and tarver is i don't think that makes me great

Soundtraveler

12-20-2004, 12:04 AM

yeah, but tarver was landing more clean shots, hell he even threw more. Glen was just swinging wildly. i had it 8-4 tarver. all in all though, it was a good fight.

Yes it was a good fight --- good for my wallet! Please send me 100,000 - you see, I have to buy a Red Nosed Alligator, and they are expensive here in New Orleans! But they sure fly fast! :eek:

TheGreat1

12-20-2004, 06:24 PM

Yes it was a good fight --- good for my wallet! Please send me 100,000 - you see, I have to buy a Red Nosed Alligator, and they are expensive here in New Orleans! But they sure fly fast! :eek:

already sent it. i'll beat u 1 day.

TheGreat1

12-20-2004, 06:25 PM

tracylee

12-20-2004, 07:29 PM

i think tarver thought it was "in the bag", he's been partying all year since he forced a past his prime Roy Jones to lean back. i know Roy was arrogant too, but Jones REALLY WAS THAT GOOD, he's the most naturally talented fighter i've been lucky enough to see in my lifetime. with all the years of hype over Roy Jones, it's not much of surprise to me that he started believing he was superman. i hate tarver because of his cheap win over RJJ, a prime RJJ would have destroyed tarver like he did Montell Griffin in the rematch. i could beat a has been too, and i'm a ****ty amateur, the diference bewteen me and tarver is i don't think that makes me great

Okay, I usually agree with you 9 times out of 10, so I guess this is that one time that I dont. How was it a cheap win? I mean, everyone kept talking like Jones dominated him completely in the first fight as expected...and that same "has been" just beat a heavy wt. Like Ruiz or not (and I dont) he is a real heavy wt...so, everyone was going on and on over that victory...then Tarver ko's him and all of a sudden it's only cause Jones was shot?? I dont get that...could it not be that Tarver just happens to have that type of style; a style that would give Jones problems no matter when they fought?? I mean, in all fairness..you dont have to like Tarver to admit that. And nobody said a word about Jones being "done for"...hell, no where near it, until Tarver beat him. That's just not fair to Tarver...not at all :eek:

Nautilus

12-20-2004, 09:08 PM

Okay, I usually agree with you 9 times out of 10, so I guess this is that one time that I dont. How was it a cheap win? I mean, everyone kept talking like Jones dominated him completely in the first fight as expected...and that same "has been" just beat a heavy wt. Like Ruiz or not (and I dont) he is a real heavy wt...so, everyone was going on and on over that victory...then Tarver ko's him and all of a sudden it's only cause Jones was shot?? I dont get that...could it not be that Tarver just happens to have that type of style; a style that would give Jones problems no matter when they fought?? I mean, in all fairness..you dont have to like Tarver to admit that. And nobody said a word about Jones being "done for"...hell, no where near it, until Tarver beat him. That's just not fair to Tarver...not at all :eek:

I agree wtih this one. I also do not like how great/good fighers become "has beens" after one or two losses. RJJ lost to the top LHWs. Tarver and GJ are both tremendous boxers. RJJ looked good in his first fight with Tarver.

phallus

12-21-2004, 01:25 AM

Jones is shot, something happened to his amazing reflexes, they're just not there anymore

Soundtraveler

12-21-2004, 07:05 AM

Roy Jones Jr. has nothing to prove to anyone, he was perhaps the most skilled (reflex and speed + power wise) fighter of any decade and maybe even in any division....

tracylee

12-21-2004, 09:57 AM

Roy Jones Jr. has nothing to prove to anyone, he was perhaps the most skilled (reflex and speed + power wise) fighter of any decade and maybe even in any division....

Very true, and I agree (thats just not what the discussion was about though) It was about exactly when Jones had become "done"...if it was before or after the Tarver fights; not if he needed to prove himself even more ;)

tracylee

12-21-2004, 10:16 AM

Jones is shot, something happened to his amazing reflexes, they're just not there anymore

Oh, and some karma coming your way after I spread it around....I must have sent to you recently and forgot it :confused: ;)

TheGreat1

12-21-2004, 09:32 PM

Boxer2005

12-21-2004, 10:00 PM

There is only one word for RJJ...OVER

phallus

12-22-2004, 12:46 AM

Very true, and I agree (thats just not what the discussion was about though) It was about exactly when Jones had become "done"...if it was before or after the Tarver fights; not if he needed to prove himself even more ;)

it was definitley before the tarver fights, Roy looked great against Ruiz because even a slow Roy Jones is light years faster than any heavyweight that ever lived, but when he went back down to 175 his decline in speed became very apparent, thinking back to the first fight with tarver i thought something was wrong with Roy, but decided it was having to burn off all the muscle he put on to be a heavyweight, but now i realize it was his lack of speed, he looked good at times in the fight but didn't look dazzling like he used to before ( i've been a roy jones fan since the mid 90's, so i've been watching his fights for long time ). the bad news for Roy is that his style depends on his amazing reflexes, he should have stayed a heavyweight he'd still be faster than anyone in the division

tracylee

12-22-2004, 11:49 AM

it was definitley before the tarver fights, Roy looked great against Ruiz because even a slow Roy Jones is light years faster than any heavyweight that ever lived, but when he went back down to 175 his decline in speed became very apparent, thinking back to the first fight with tarver i thought something was wrong with Roy, but decided it was having to burn off all the muscle he put on to be a heavyweight, but now i realize it was his lack of speed, he looked good at times in the fight but didn't look dazzling like he used to before ( i've been a roy jones fan since the mid 90's, so i've been watching his fights for long time ). the bad news for Roy is that his style depends on his amazing reflexes, he should have stayed a heavyweight he'd still be faster than anyone in the division

Oh okay, got ya! So, his biggest asset was his speed??

phallus

12-22-2004, 11:20 PM

Oh okay, got ya! So, his biggest asset was his speed??

his style depends on his speed, without greasy fast speed he gets KTFO'd, the speed allowed roy to do the things that other fighters ( and now RJJ ) get knocked out for doing, especially keeping his hands low, the speed allowed him to make mistakes and not get caught - now when he makes the same mistakes, he gets caught ( first by Tarver's lucky punch and then by Johnson's swarming attack).

tracylee

12-23-2004, 12:28 PM

his style depends on his speed, without greasy fast speed he gets KTFO'd, the speed allowed roy to do the things that other fighters ( and now RJJ ) get knocked out for doing, especially keeping his hands low, the speed allowed him to make mistakes and not get caught - now when he makes the same mistakes, he gets caught ( first by Tarver's lucky punch and then by Johnson's swarming attack).

Makes sense babe...and I know he was notorious for keepign that hand down LOW! :eek: He did get away with that for a very long time ;)