Something is up as well. Vlad;s team would not have taken this fight if they didnt know something. Steward is terrific at rebuilding tall fighters. He could have matched Vlad against Brock, Valuev, Lychavich, Austin etc and begin to gain respect. Peter is a way to leapfrog some fights back into respect. Why would Steward pick the deadliest puncher against His charge. Steward could have his career ruined by this fight. Why would a guy who had one of the best middleweights and heavyweights ever put his reputation on the line.
BECAUSE something is shaky about peter, it might be his jaw, stamina, something is up... just remember that.
Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....

The reason?

Peter=overrated one dimensional bum with zero skill.

Something is up as well. Vlad;s team would not have taken this fight if they didnt know something. Steward is terrific at rebuilding tall fighters. He could have matched Vlad against Brock, Valuev, Lychavich, Austin etc and begin to gain respect. Peter is a way to leapfrog some fights back into respect. Why would Steward pick the deadliest puncher against His charge. Steward could have his career ruined by this fight. Why would a guy who had one of the best middleweights and heavyweights ever put his reputation on the line.
BECAUSE something is shaky about peter, it might be his jaw, stamina, something is up... just remember that.
Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....



Wlad's team also thought they new something about Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster.

I like and respect Manny Steward, but some times his head is up his own ass when he's working with a fighter.

There's nothing to "know" about this fight.

It's 50/50, either Peter KO's Wlad or Wlad's experience allows him to expose Peter as a limited plodder.

success7 stop with the conspiracies...

The matchup just makes sense.

...somebody better get knocked out, ive invited over 15 people to my house and their friends promising a vicious knockout of the Tyson stature by either fighter. If they fail and hug each other to death my conspiracy to draw more free alcohol and food to my house will never work again

I don't see Wlad stopping Peter violently.

If anything they'll waive the fight off with Wlad peppering a defensless Peter agaisnt the ropes.

If Wlad knocks Peter down or out I'd be very suprized and impressed.

If it goes Wlad's way, I see him scoring a mid TKO with a bruised and bloody Peter absorbing too many shots while still standing.

LMAO. Karma to that hahaha.

Oh and further to the topic of this thread,

Steward was everyone's hero before the Brewster fight as well. He was being heralded as having Wlad primed to take over the division, and 5 rounds later people are crying for Manny to be fired for putting too much Vasiline of Wlad's legs... :rolleyes:

Wlad's team also thought they new something about Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster.

I like and respect Manny Steward, but some times his head is up his own ass when he's working with a fighter.

There's nothing to "know" about this fight.

It's 50/50, either Peter KO's Wlad or Wlad's experience allows him to expose Peter as a limited plodder.

**** you, cunt. Your mother's cunt smells of excrement.

**** you, cunt. Your mother's cunt smells of excrement.


...............makes sense

Something is up as well. Vlad;s team would not have taken this fight if they didnt know something. Steward is terrific at rebuilding tall fighters. He could have matched Vlad against Brock, Valuev, Lychavich, Austin etc and begin to gain respect. Peter is a way to leapfrog some fights back into respect. Why would Steward pick the deadliest puncher against His charge. Steward could have his career ruined by this fight. Why would a guy who had one of the best middleweights and heavyweights ever put his reputation on the line.
BECAUSE something is shaky about peter, it might be his jaw, stamina, something is up... just remember that.
Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....

I will tell you exactly what they know. Manny knows Wlad is finished and Peter is the next big fighter. He set up Wlad for a big kO and after he retires, manny is gonna take over control of Peter and take him to the top.

It sounds like a great plan to me. Bye bye Wladdy.

**** you, cunt. Your mother's cunt smells of excrement.A fine pugilistic debate.

Wlad and Peter fought in the ams, don't forget. In an interview Wlad never brought it up, but Peter's camp constantly referred to it.

A fine pugilistic debate.

Wlad and Peter fought in the ams, don't forget. In an interview Wlad never brought it up, but Peter's camp constantly referred to it.
Hmmmmm interesting. Any info on the result(s) of their amatuer battle?

Hmmmmm interesting. Any info on the result(s) of their amatuer battle?


They sparred 4 years ago and Wlad easily beat Sam back then ... I posted a thread on this a while ago

I don't see Wlad stopping Peter violently.

If anything they'll waive the fight off with Wlad peppering a defensless Peter agaisnt the ropes.

If Wlad knocks Peter down or out I'd be very suprized and impressed.

If it goes Wlad's way, I see him scoring a mid TKO with a bruised and bloody Peter absorbing too many shots while still standing.
I have a question for u, who is more of a devastating puncher, Peter or Klitschko?

I will tell you exactly what they know. Manny knows Wlad is finished and Peter is the next big fighter. He set up Wlad for a big kO and after he retires, manny is gonna take over control of Peter and take him to the top.

It sounds like a great plan to me. Bye bye Wladdy.
duh thas stupid, and dumb, Peter sux he has a lot to work on if he wants to be champ, he has no movement, he cant handle the jab, all he has is looping punches that very little of them land...

Oh and further to the topic of this thread,

Steward was everyone's hero before the Brewster fight as well. He was being heralded as having Wlad primed to take over the division, and 5 rounds later people are crying for Manny to be fired for putting too much Vasiline of Wlad's legs... :rolleyes:


Steward is a bum...His only high mark in his career was Lennox Lewis.

Hmmmmm interesting. Any info on the result(s) of their amatuer battle?As Nautilus said, Wlad had no problems containing Peter back then. Most of their interview (Peter's camp) revolved around this, as in "I know what happened when they fought in the ams, BUT..."

I will tell you exactly what they know. Manny knows Wlad is finished and Peter is the next big fighter. He set up Wlad for a big kO and after he retires, manny is gonna take over control of Peter and take him to the top.

It sounds like a great plan to me. Bye bye Wladdy.
You know, I bet that's EXACTLY what will happen. The old "set your fighter up to be KTFO so their opponent will want to be trained by you" switcheroo. Never fails.

Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....


I don't see any great genius here from Steward. This is the fight where Steward finds out if Vlad still has it, or not. Better yet, Vlad can get back into title contention if he beats a prospect with no experience.

If Vlad doesn't step it up now, then when? Steward hopes to use this as a springboard into a title shot. If it doesn't work out, may as well find out now that Vlad isn't worth the effort and move on.

Golota was humiliated by Lewis, Tyson, and he still got a shoot at Brewster, who humiliate him as well.

Point is if Wlad looses, he should sign with King and get a shoot at Ruiz and Byrd, who he can beat for sure... lol

Golota was humiliated by Lewis, Tyson, and he still got a shoot at Brewster, who humiliate him as well.

Point is if Wlad looses, he should sign with King and get a shoot at Ruiz and Byrd, who he can beat for sure... lol


Ruiz is separating himself from King...Finally Ruiz will be gone!

Steward is a bum...His only high mark in his career was Lennox Lewis.


Steward had Hearns, Kenty, McCrory, Moorer, & McCLellan.
Don't forget.

Steward had Hearns, Kenty, McCrory, Moorer, & McCLellan.
Don't forget.


I havent forgotten but none of them achieved great success...Every time Hearns had risen to the occassion he was taken down a peg. I will heavily criticize Steward for the way he trains his fighters...None of them had great stamina and that had costed them dearly. It was apparent with Hearns and Wladimir most notably...McClellan unfortunately never was able to reach that peak of the top level.

"I havent forgotten but none of them achieved great success"


Hearns is one of the most beloved & successful fighters in boxing history, Spinks.

Do you hold the Hagler & Leonard losses against him ? He lost to the two best fighters of the 80's, after giving an incredible account of himself. In fact, he was robbed the 2nd time he fought Ray.
He obliterated two guys considered KO-proof, in Cuevas & Duran.
He OUTBOXED Wilfred Benitez....He moved up to lt. heavy, well past his prime, & easily outboxed & decisioned Virgil Hill.

He LEGITIMATELY won 4 division titles. He's one of the best punchers in boxing history, & prved that he could outbox some of the better boxers he faced.

His losses are blown away by his successes.

Something is up as well. Vlad;s team would not have taken this fight if they didnt know something. Steward is terrific at rebuilding tall fighters. He could have matched Vlad against Brock, Valuev, Lychavich, Austin etc and begin to gain respect. Peter is a way to leapfrog some fights back into respect. Why would Steward pick the deadliest puncher against His charge. Steward could have his career ruined by this fight. Why would a guy who had one of the best middleweights and heavyweights ever put his reputation on the line.
BECAUSE something is shaky about peter, it might be his jaw, stamina, something is up... just remember that.
Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....

It's because Peter has a reputation as being a BIG puncher, but that's it. He's slow, has no defense, and only fought one guy with a punch, Jeremy Williams. And Williams is NOT in the same class as Wlad.

It looks like Wlad Klitschko is taking a risk only because of his recent losses to Sanders and Brewster. A pre-Sanders Wlad should outclass this guy easily. This is a good test to see if Wlad is back, and the fact that Peter is such a big puncher, It should help quiet the "no chin" talk should he win.

I'm not saying that Klitschko is going to win, but he does have a great chance to win. The one question no one is asking is, what if Wlad IS back? If Klitschko's in pre-Sanders form, Peter's in for a world of hurt. These fighters are at opposite ends of the experience ladder and this is a big risk for Peter as well.

I havent forgotten but none of them achieved great success...Every time Hearns had risen to the occassion he was taken down a peg. I will heavily criticize Steward for the way he trains his fighters...None of them had great stamina and that had costed them dearly. It was apparent with Hearns and Wladimir most notably...McClellan unfortunately never was able to reach that peak of the top level.

I get your point, but exactly how many times did Hearns gas out?
I know about Leonard, but I think that was bad decision making on Hearns' part. Manny said Hearns was training behind his back as well as with him, dunno if that's true. The leonard fight was a fast paced fight too.

McClellan went downhill AFTER he left Manny, BTW.

I get your point, but exactly how many times did Hearns gas out?
I know about Leonard, but I think that was bad decision making on Hearns' part. Manny said Hearns was training behind his back as well as with him, dunno if that's true. The leonard fight was a fast paced fight too.


Which is Stewards fault, he doesnt have complete control over his fighters. It is the trainers duty to keep an eye on his fighters, obviously Hearns felt something wasnt being done right if he had to go and do extra training. I put the blame on Steward for not being able to control his fighters...*coughVivian*cough*

Jabs-You make valid points and I know Hearns is a great fighter but more or less all I was trying to imply was that a lot of Stewards fighters has had problems with stamina...Everyone speculated that Wladimir was drugged but he was not. He had no problem banging for 10-12 rounds any other time prior to Steward. Steward comes in and he can barely make it past the 3rd or 4th round....I put full responsibility on Stewards shoulders for his fighters lacking the stamina....He doesnt have complete control.

lets not forget that steward trained mccall when he beat lewis and holyfield when he beat bowe....

I think Peter is dangerous but lets back up a little. Before Wlad was beaten he was looked upon as a monster, he still is. He may have lost he mental edge but i think he can get it back. And with the experience and skills he has he can beat any heavy out there besides his bro who he will never fight.

My pick has changed after seeing the confidece in Wlads eyes and watching some training, im going with WLad Ko in 4.

Which is Stewards fault, he doesnt have complete control over his fighters. .



I think i have explained this to you already and im going to do it again. A fighter is a ****in grown man, the only thing a trainer can do is advise the fighter, not be his ****ing dad and make sure hes running etc. A trainer may have multiple fighters on his scheduale and has a set scheduale on how conditioning etc are taken care of, while that trainer trains them on their fight plan and goes over their technique. A trainers job isnt to completely control a fighter at all, infact when you try to do this, your gonna lose the fighter very easily.

Your acting like its Stewards job to make sure his fighters are in shape, no, a championship calibre fighter makes his own desicions on conditioning and the like, and all steward can do is advise them on the subject. You make it seem like "oh stewards fighters run out of gas". Oh ****in well, look at some of the desicions some of these fighters make, is it stewards fault harris didint listen to the fight plan? is it stewards fault that Hearns traded with Hagler in the first 2 rounds? No, its not, hes there to advise and thats it.

If a fighter feels that steward isnt doing the job for them then they can drop him, because the advice ive seen him give over the years is usually dead on to whats going on in the fight. The thing is, top level fighters come to him, he doesnt go to them. So a slew of credible belt holders must see something you dont.

I think Peter is dangerous but lets back up a little. Before Wlad was beaten he was looked upon as a monster, he still is. He may have lost he mental edge but i think he can get it back. And with the experience and skills he has he can beat any heavy out there besides his bro who he will never fight.

My pick has changed after seeing the confidece in Wlads eyes and watching some training, im going with WLad Ko in 4.


Watch Peter drop his right hand, he does it all the time in every single fight. Wladimir will smack his left hook to that jaw every single time...

Watch Peter drop his right hand, he does it all the time in every single fight. Wladimir will smack his left hook to that jaw every single time...
Manny Steward knows ONE THING:

KLITSCHKO'S = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

why else would he train these guys? Manny is already an HBO employee, and the Klitschko's have been HBO poster-boys for 2-3 years now, with very little to show for it other than 2 KO losses for Wlad and a paper title for Vitali....Manny is simply trying to help HBO cash-in on their investment

Manny Steward knows ONE THING:

KLITSCHKO'S = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

why else would he train these guys? Manny is already an HBO employee, and the Klitschko's have been HBO poster-boys for 2-3 years now, with very little to show for it other than 2 KO losses for Wlad and a paper title for Vitali....Manny is simply trying to help HBO cash-in on their investment


Well I assumed that but Steward just ensures me that he is a bigger piece of **** for having that reasoning.

I'll be in AC to see the fight, I hope to find good priced tickets and I hope someone gets KTFO!

Something is up as well. Vlad;s team would not have taken this fight if they didnt know something. Steward is terrific at rebuilding tall fighters. He could have matched Vlad against Brock, Valuev, Lychavich, Austin etc and begin to gain respect. Peter is a way to leapfrog some fights back into respect. Why would Steward pick the deadliest puncher against His charge. Steward could have his career ruined by this fight. Why would a guy who had one of the best middleweights and heavyweights ever put his reputation on the line.
BECAUSE something is shaky about peter, it might be his jaw, stamina, something is up... just remember that.
Think of logic, why choose Peter. Forget all that IBF WBO ranking crap. Vlads team, Steward knows something is up....


....I have seen more than a few articles kind of agreeing with what your saying. The whole idea that Wlad and Manny know something that we don't.

....I have seen more than a few articles kind of agreeing with what your saying. The whole idea that Wlad and Manny know something that we don't.

maybe Sam is on the 'roids and they know if they loose, it won't matter i.e. James Toney vs. John Ruiz.

seriously though, what trumps big looping shots / low skill?
a mobile fighter light on his feet...
if Wlad is more mobile like with Castillo, consistantly circling away from the power hand, Sam will most likely get frustrated and leave himself open.

**** you, cunt. Your mother's cunt smells of excrement.
And what about your own balls? it kinda smells like rotten cheese to me. yuck! lol!