View Full Version : Carlos Ortiz


Pastrano
04-26-2011, 11:12 AM
This is one of my favorite old boxers ever. He was awesome, a beast. What I love about him is that he was both a p4p material and an exciting fighter, a brawler. He could box your ears off and pack a punch at the same time. Very few of them, always been. Which fighter today do you think is most reminiscent of him?

What I find very impressive about him is that his power only seemed to increase as he moved up to 147...maybe it had something to do with the level of opposition, but its still impressive. Btw, did anybody see the fight with Carlos Teo Cruz, where he lost the lightweight title? Might've been robbery, since it was in Cruz's homeland.

His achievements, in short: stopped Flash Elorde twice, both times in the 14th round, beat Ismael Laguna twice, stopped Sugar Ramos twice, got robbed with a draw against Nicolino Locche, beat 102-1 Duilio Loi, koed 31-0 Battling Torres, avenged a decision loss to Kenny Lane with TKO2 and later beat him by decision. He also beat Joe Brown, tho Brown was most certainly past his prime.

IronDanHamza
04-26-2011, 01:31 PM
Big Carlos Ortiz fan.

I personally have him #4 at Lighweight although many people believe Whitaker deserves that place over him but for me Ortiz is #4.

Great fighter, great resume. One of the greatest Lightweights of all time in m book.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 03:32 PM
Big Carlos Ortiz fan.

I personally have him #4 at Lighweight although many people believe Whitaker deserves that place over him but for me Ortiz is #4.

Great fighter, great resume. One of the greatest Lightweights of all time in m book.

Hell yea!:boxing: Ortiz beats up Whitaker.

IronDanHamza
04-26-2011, 03:38 PM
Hell yea!:boxing: Ortiz beats up Whitaker.

H2H I would favour Whitaker but in terms of Lightweight greatness I rank Ortiz higher personally.

Many disagree, and I see their arugment. But for me Ortiz has the stronger resume there.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 03:47 PM
H2H I would favour Whitaker but in terms of Lightweight greatness I rank Ortiz higher personally.

Many disagree, and I see their arugment. But for me Ortiz has the stronger resume there.

Whitaker didn't like pressure fighters, Ortiz strikes me as just that. Sure, he was a technical fighter as well, but he brought alot of pressure and thrived on that. Plus his power was way better than Whitaker's.

joseph5620
04-26-2011, 03:55 PM
Whitaker didn't like pressure fighters, Ortiz strikes me as just that. Sure, he was a technical fighter as well, but he brought alot of pressure and thrived on that. Plus his power was way better than Whitaker's.

And what do you base this on? In his prime, Whitaker beat plenty of pressure fighters and did it easily. If anything pressure fighters didn't like Whitaker.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:00 PM
And what do you base this on? In his prime, Whitaker beat plenty of pressure fighters and did it easily. If anything pressure fighters didn't like Whitaker.

Lets not make THIS a thread about Whitaker, ok?? He lost to Ramirez, wether u consider it legit or not, Ramirez was a pressure fighter. He had problems with Paez also, another pressure fighter. Ortiz's resume is superior anyway.

joseph5620
04-26-2011, 04:05 PM
Lets not make THIS a thread about Whitaker, ok?? He lost to Ramirez, wether u consider it legit or not, Ramirez was a pressure fighter. He had problems with Paez also, another pressure fighter. Ortiz's resume is superior anyway.





I'll make it about whatever I want as long as you keep making your usual stupid comments. You're talking out of your azz again with nothing to back up your statements. Yeah Whitaker lost to Ramirez lol ok. I don't expect much from a moron like you who argued that "prime" Arturo Gatti would have beaten Mayweather jr.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:06 PM
I'll make it about whatever I want as long as you keep making your usual stupid comments. You're talking out of your azz against with nothing to back up your statements. Yeah Whitaker lost to Ramirez lol ok. I don't expect much from a moron like you who argued that "prime" Arturo Gatti would have beaten Maywether jr.

Welcome to my ignore list!:D :cop: Not gonna waste any more time in stupid arguments with tossers like you. Go lick Pernell's balls.

IronDanHamza
04-26-2011, 04:09 PM
Whitaker didn't like pressure fighters, Ortiz strikes me as just that. Sure, he was a technical fighter as well, but he brought alot of pressure and thrived on that. Plus his power was way better than Whitaker's.

Ortiz had his problems with boxer styles too, though.

He had problems with Laguna in the first fight in which I thought was a clear UD as opposed to the MD. Yeah, he worked him out and beat him on 2 later occasions but the fact still reamains he gave him issues in the first fight.

I have never seen the Locche fight in full and although Higlights are nothing to go by but you can see Ortiz had some issues and it was a very close fight apparently.

I see Whitaker giving him major problems and Ortiz wasn't an all out pressure fighter he was a great technican and thinker I think Whitakers style is all wrong for Ortiz personally.

Ortiz makes it competitive but Whitaker takes the descion IMO.

But again I personally have Ortiz above him at LW. Ortiz resume is remarkable and he gets underrated.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:16 PM
I disagree, but we all have our opinions. So who are your top 3 lightweights?

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 04:18 PM
I have never seen the Locche fight in full and although Higlights are nothing to go by but you can see Ortiz had some issues and it was a very close fight apparently.

I've heard he got royally screwed in that fight, but yeah I'd favor Whitaker, no shame in that though, I'd probably favor Whitaker over anyone at lightweight.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:20 PM
I've heard he got royally screwed in that fight, but yeah I'd favor Whitaker, thats no shame though, I'd probably favor Whitaker over anyone at lightweight.

:smashfrea .....

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 04:22 PM
:smashfrea .....

Don't think I've forgotten what a racist dick you are...

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:25 PM
Don't think I've forgotten what a racist dick you are...

Yea sure, thats why I love Mike McCallum and Tommy Hearns and Tyson.:rolleyes: And about dozen of other black & non-white fighters and celebrities.

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 04:28 PM
Yea sure, thats why I love Mike McCallum and Tommy Hearns and Tyson.:rolleyes: And about dozen of other black & non-white fighters and celebrities.

Saying you like black fighters on the internet doesn't stop you from being a racist, you made two threads in nsb that I reported for racism and they were shut down within a few minutes....

IronDanHamza
04-26-2011, 04:28 PM
I disagree, but we all have our opinions. So who are your top 3 lightweights?

1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Gans
4. Ortiz
5. Whitaker

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:33 PM
1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Gans
4. Ortiz
5. Whitaker

What about Freddie Welsh, where do ya rank him? I'd put him among the top 10 personally.

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 04:40 PM
I knew it was you, you miserable snitch. And I don't give a FAK what rats like you think about me. *****licker. :D

Well I know I'm not a gangster and something is telling me that your not one either, so quit with the played out phrases you learnt from the one time daddy let you stay up late and watch an episode of the sopranos. Not sure what the blank is at the end.

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 04:51 PM
Man, youre a riot, the way you TRY to talk smooth.:rofl: So, asking if Mayweather is a racist automatically makes me a racist as well?! Thats rich.:lol1: The blank is a word for female vital organ.

Mayweather wasn't involved in your threads, there was one were you claimed all cubans were dirty fighters and another where you claimed all black people hate ODLH after you got repeatedly owned in your top 10 WW thread.

Well I don't do what you claim, but I'd rather that than ****sucking like you.

IronDanHamza
04-26-2011, 04:53 PM
What about Freddie Welsh, where do ya rank him? I'd put him among the top 10 personally.

Freddie Welsh is most definitely an arguable Top 10 ATG Lightweight IMO. Lightweight has an incredibley rich history and there is always going to be debate when devising a Top 10 list.

That being said, last time I wrote a Top 10 list at Lightweight, Welsh wasn't included. But I think he is definitely up for debate and has a strong case for being Top 10. It's just so difficult.

I have my top 5, then the likes of Armstrong, Williams, Canzoneri, Buchanan, Welsh, Brown and many many others who could argue for a top 10 spot, etc etc etc to think about it's just very very difficult to place the latter of the Top 10.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 04:55 PM
Mayweather wasn't involved in your threads, there was one were you claimed all cubans were dirty fighters and another where you claimed all black people hate ODLH after you got repeatedly owned in your top 10 WW thread.

Well I don't do what you claim, but I'd rather that than ****sucking like you.

Youre a sad story. Just like many other people who are like you. YOU are the ignorant fools, not me. I was not claiming all Cubans were dirty, I just ASKED wether they were dirtier fighters than most others. And I merely pointed out a fact-that most black Americans aren't that crazy about Oscar, even tho he's a good friend of Mosley and Hopkins.

RubenSonny
04-26-2011, 05:00 PM
Youre a sad story. Just like many other people who are like you. YOU are the ignorant fools, not me. I was not claiming all Cubans were dirty, I just ASKED wether they were dirtier fighters than most others.

And I merely pointed out a fact-that most black Americans aren't that crazy about Oscar, even tho he's a good friend of Mosley and Hopkins.

........Nope, they were both filled with hateful content and were rightfully deleted.

Pastrano
04-26-2011, 06:13 PM
........Nope, they were both filled with hateful content and were rightfully deleted.

Fine, enjoy your pathetic little victories. If it was reality, you wouldn't be the victor.