View Full Version : Eder Jofre vs Ruben Olivares at Bantamweight


DarkTerror88
04-22-2011, 11:45 AM
Who wins this tasty 118lb matchup? 15 rds. for the title.

Scott9945
04-22-2011, 12:47 PM
As good of a bantamweight match as you ever could imagine. Olivares was a little less consistent but fought better opposition. I was lucky enough to see him fight live several times. If forced to pick I'll take Jofre in a close one by cuts or UD.

Quarry
04-22-2011, 01:07 PM
i would go for Olivares by KO Jofre built his record beating cab drivers and road seepers in Rio. Olivares beat and fought the very best.

Pastrano
04-22-2011, 01:09 PM
i would go for Olivares by KO Jofre built his record beating cab drivers and road seepers in Rio. Olivares beat and fought the very best.

Cab drivers? So I guess Medel, Legra and Saldivar were also cabdrivers?

Steak
04-22-2011, 03:02 PM
I would favor Olivares slightly in this. I consider Olivares better than Harada and their styles were somewhat comparable. If Olivares can close the distance and force the fight at close range, there is no doubt Jofre would feel his power, especially to the body. I also think Olivares' uppercut could have success.

on the other hand, its no easy job to walk in on Jofre, and Olivares could be hit and cut. so Jofre by TKO cut stoppage is definitely an option.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-22-2011, 09:52 PM
Thinking Olivares here, but I do rate him as the greatest Mexican ever, & several here feel that is unwarranted. Jofre would run him close, but I really have the utmost respect for Olivares as a boxer & I think he'd be Jofre's greatest challenge.

IronDanHamza
04-22-2011, 11:02 PM
Thinking Olivares here, but I do rate him as the greatest Mexican ever, & several here feel that is unwarranted. Jofre would run him close, but I really have the utmost respect for Olivares as a boxer & I think he'd be Jofre's greatest challenge.

And personally feel that is a very reasonable statment.

This is a great match-up that I struggle to chose a winner.

But I'm going to lean on Jofre.

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2011, 12:08 AM
Jofre is the consensus GOAT at Bantamweight amongst boxing historians. Olivares was very good fighter but not in Jofre's class I'm afraid. Jofre's a clear winner here. About the only Bantam I'd give a legitimate shot at beating Jofre is Jeff Chandler and even that's a stretch.

Poet

Quarry
04-23-2011, 03:20 AM
Jofre is the consensus GOAT at Bantamweight amongst boxing historians. Olivares was very good fighter but not in Jofre's class I'm afraid. Jofre's a clear winner here. About the only Bantam I'd give a legitimate shot at beating Jofre is Jeff Chandler and even that's a stretch.

Poet

based on what ?

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2011, 03:24 AM
based on what ?

Based on the fact that Jofre is the concensus GOAT at Bantamweight and Olivares isn't in that class. The collective wisdom of boxing historians >>>>>>>>> Quarry.

Poet

Quarry
04-23-2011, 05:02 AM
Based on the fact that Jofre is the concensus GOAT at Bantamweight and Olivares isn't in that class. The collective wisdom of boxing historians >>>>>>>>> Quarry.

Poet

the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

JAB5239
04-23-2011, 10:40 AM
the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=451

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2011, 02:43 PM
the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

JAB's posted link proves your claim is a lie. Regardless, the IBOF is a joke (as their rating of Chandler at 13 proves) and few boxing historians' lists would tally closely with anything the IBOF puts out. If that's where you go for your info then you'll never want for moonshine. You may as well use that other joke Bert Sugar.....either way a laughable source.

Poet

Quarry
04-23-2011, 02:46 PM
http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=451

a similar link as that can be put up for SRR, Ali, A.Moore or A.Pryor and those links are open to debate just like Jofre's record is open to debate. IMO no ATG champion is more open to scrutiny that Jofre, his quality of opponent is the worst of any ATG i can think of with him losing to the best fighter he ever fought.

JAB5239
04-23-2011, 05:14 PM
a similar link as that can be put up for SRR, Ali, A.Moore or A.Pryor and those links are open to debate just like Jofre's record is open to debate. IMO no ATG champion is more open to scrutiny that Jofre, his quality of opponent is the worst of any ATG i can think of with him losing to the best fighter he ever fought.

Personally I'd like to see the link to the IBHOF where it has Oliveres ranked the greatest bantam ever. sorry but I'll take the collective wisdom of guys who comb over a fighters career over yours any day. You've proven you have very limited knowledge of the sport .

Steak
04-23-2011, 05:55 PM
I agree that Jofre is a bit overrated in terms of who he beat. I think Olivares beat better competition overall.

I also think its a shame that Manuel Ortiz doesnt get a fair claim at best bantamweight ever, since he beat more top competition than Jofre.

IronDanHamza
04-23-2011, 08:20 PM
I agree that Jofre is a bit overrated in terms of who he beat. I think Olivares beat better competition overall.

I also think its a shame that Manuel Ortiz doesnt get a fair claim at best bantamweight ever, since he beat more top competition than Jofre.

Manuel Ortiz is my favourite Bantamweight ever.

But he isn't greater than Eder Jofre, I don't see that.

I was about to make a thread on him, actually.

Quarry
04-24-2011, 03:02 AM
Personally I'd like to see the link to the IBHOF where it has Oliveres ranked the greatest bantam ever. sorry but I'll take the collective wisdom of guys who comb over a fighters career over yours any day. You've proven you have very limited knowledge of the sport .
The IBHOF have these fighters as the best in the division

Heavyweight - Joe Louis
L.Heavweight - Archie Moore
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
L.Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

JAB5239
04-24-2011, 06:14 AM
The IBHOF have these fighters as the best in the division

Heavyweight - Joe Louis
L.Heavweight - Archie Moore
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
L.Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Can we get a link please, because I can't find a thing that says this on their web site.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10non.html

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jofre.htm

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=11082&more=1

Quarry
04-24-2011, 08:17 AM
Can we get a link please, because I can't find a thing that says this on their web site.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10non.html

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jofre.htm

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=11082&more=1

your link on Jofre is all by the same IBRO so not really independent, The IBHOF listings should be easy enough for you to find in the meantime here is another excellent article which was judged by a panel 2nd to none hope you enjoy the read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-robinson-pips-ali-as-fighter-of-century-1132609.html

JAB5239
04-24-2011, 12:32 PM
your link on Jofre is all by the same IBRO so not really independent, The IBHOF listings should be easy enough for you to find in the meantime here is another excellent article which was judged by a panel 2nd to none hope you enjoy the read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-robinson-pips-ali-as-fighter-of-century-1132609.html

That isn't a list from the IBHOF as you've claimed at least twice in this thread. Could you supply that one please, its the one Im really interested in?