RJJ, serving as a commentator of Williams-Klichko fight, gave a lot of credit to VK for his boxing skills.

RJJ said VK is a "beautiful outside fighter" and said that VK "has truly impressed him tonight" (after VK threw a double right upper-cut followed by one-two, which TKO8 Danny).

Now, I wonder what is up with RJJ? Did he really mean that?






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I think he stole Tyson's meds or something. He didn't seem nearly as obnoxious as normal.

BTW: Thanks for the points. I just noticed the karma thing.

I think you just hate him.
When he does nothing for you to hate him, you hate him for that..



P.S. I actually went back and read the post...It was really screwed up. I'm originally from the Peru so you'll have to excuse me..

can you try that middle sentence again? this time in English?

I do dislike Roy. I think he spent most of his career as a light-heavy because there was no one there who could threaten him.

i think he stayed at light heavy most of his career because he was too small for heavy(but still won title) and couldnt make 168 anymore.people ask too much of people , jones accompished everything yet people still hate.

RJJ beat Hopkins, Toney, and ... himself.

Outstanding career.

can you try that middle sentence again? this time in English?

I do dislike Roy. I think he spent most of his career as a light-heavy because there was no one there who could threaten him.
for most of his reign at light heavy, there was no one outside the heavyweight division that posed a threat.

RJJ, serving as a commentator of Williams-Klichko fight, gave a lot of credit to VK for his boxing skills.

RJJ said VK is a "beautiful outside fighter" and said that VK "has truly impressed him tonight" (after VK threw a double right upper-cut followed by one-two, which TKO8 Danny).

No, I wonder what is up with RJJ? Did he really mean that?






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that's cuz klit fought a good fight. roy jones is a very keen observer. i kinda agree with lampley though in that klit is not a beautiful boxer in the asthetic sense. he's an effective boxer who is able to minimize the negative impact of his limitations.

for most of his reign at light heavy, there was no one outside the heavyweight division that posed a threat.
Isn't that what I said? He could have take off 7 lbs long enough for the weigh-in, but there were legitimate threats at super-middle, and middles who would have stepped up for the fight.

His fights against Hopkins and Toney were both very early in their careers. I don't think he could have taken either of them in the past 5 years.

Isn't that what I said? He could have take off 7 lbs long enough for the weigh-in, but there were legitimate threats at super-middle, and middles who would have stepped up for the fight.

His fights against Hopkins and Toney were both very early in their careers. I don't think he could have taken either of them in the past 5 years.
you said there was no one in the light heavy division who could threaten him. i extended this by stating that for most of his career there was no one in any division (except the Heavyweight division) that posed a serious threat.

when he fought hopkins and toney, it was also early in jones' career. no one has beaten hopkins since jones beat him. as for toney, he was almost considered the best ever at the time of the fight. jones even came into the toney fight as an underdog i think

True. Johns was considered not a very live underdog. He proved everybody wrong in that fight. IMHo it was his second biggest achievement after beating Ruiz.

Jones wasn't an underdog in that fight. Sucks being old enough to remember this crap;)

Toney came in for that fight undertrained and got his ass handed to him for his effort (or lack thereof).

Jones was, and remains, a gloryhound. He knew that no one ever really fights at light-heavy and that he could reign there for a number of years, defending his belts against opponents who weren't ft to be in the ring with my grandmother.
When he made the step up to heavyweight, he could have picked any of the belt-holders and fought them. Lennox was just too big. Byrd was every bit as slick as Roy, plus a lefty.
Ruiz, was slow and plodding, an easy target for a mobile slickster like Roy.

While the Lennox fight would have been a severe mismatch and likely ended Roy's career, the Byrd fight would have been an interesting and compelling fight to watch because their styles were so similar. Byrd would have jumped at the chance, because even with Roy coming up from light-heavy, it would have been a HUGE draw and a huge payday for Byrd.

Roy chose the heavyweight that posed the least amount of risk in him getting a belt, then vacated that belt when it became clear that people wanted to see him fight real hevyweights.

I know you'll have a different spin on all that, and that we will both believe we are the ones who are right, but I'm the one who's right, so there!;)

Isn't that what I said? He could have take off 7 lbs long enough for the weigh-in, but there were legitimate threats at super-middle, and middles who would have stepped up for the fight.

His fights against Hopkins and Toney were both very early in their careers. I don't think he could have taken either of them in the past 5 years.

hopkins had fought more fights and was(still is of course) older than jones when they fought, toney was considered top 10 pound for pound when they fought. why didnt other fighters gain 7 lbs to fight him why should it always be roy jones changing weight? why didnt fighters meet him at his weight if they wanted to fight him so bad?

Hopkins had 2 more fights than Jones at that time, and a loss on his record.
Toney had 44 fights, but they were mostly against nobodies, then he lost to Montel Griffin in his next outing.

At this time in their careers, Roy was already considered an all time fighter, Hopkins and Toney had yet to define themselves. Their careers never really took off until after their losses to Roy. Also, neither of them had ever faced anyone with the raw talent that Roy brought to the ring.
I think that, more than anything else, is what makes me hate Roy. There have only been a handful of fighters in the history of boxing who have had anywhere near the raw, natural talent that Roy does, and he chose to waste it by sitting in a division where there was no competition, and handpicked opponents who were unlikely to put his belts at risk.

Hopkins had 2 more fights than Jones at that time, and a loss on his record.
Toney had 44 fights, but they were mostly against nobodies, then he lost to Montel Griffin in his next outing.

At this time in their careers, Roy was already considered an all time fighter, Hopkins and Toney had yet to define themselves. Their careers never really took off until after their losses to Roy. Also, neither of them had ever faced anyone with the raw talent that Roy brought to the ring.
I think that, more than anything else, is what makes me hate Roy. There have only been a handful of fighters in the history of boxing who have had anywhere near the raw, natural talent that Roy does, and he chose to waste it by sitting in a division where there was no competition, and handpicked opponents who were unlikely to put his belts at risk.
if im not mistaken james toney had a career defining fight against micheal nunn prior to roy jones that had established him as a top fighter. at the time roy jones was still considered as being "green" when he fought hopkins. he was not a favorite against toney, many thought toney would beat jones and the only established fighter of the three at the time was james toney. i believe both hopkins and jones went into thier fight as even in terms of odds

In his prime, there was no threat to jones at s/m or l/h period. He was simply untouchable. If you can't give him the credit he deserves then you're simply a hater. Hopkins is going to the HOF and probably Toney, before he's through and Jones SCHOOLED both of them without breaking a sweat. He was simply the perfect blend of natural physical talent and boxing skill as he started when he 7 or something like that.

Now he's past it, and should stay retired, but I think he'll be back.

Yet he disrespected Danny Williams by saying that he wasn't better than Meehan who he KO'd in 32 seconds.

"Roy has proven his boxing excellence in the ring with titles in four different weight divisions," Starting in the middleweight division, Jones has also won titles in the super middleweight and light heavyweight divisions. His journey through the weight classes culminated in his historic victory over belt-holder John Ruiz for a heavyweight championship title on March 1, 2003. He was voted the "Fighter of the Decade" in the 1990s by the Boxing Writers Association of America, and has been at the top of the rankings for virtually everyone's "pound-for-pound" listings for years. His ring record stands at 49-1, 38 KOs. He is presently world light heavyweight champion HALL OF FAMER

Yet he disrespected Danny Williams by saying that he wasn't better than Meehan who he KO'd in 32 seconds.


yes... I did not get that part

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you really need to quit with these BULL***** posts

of course he did vitali is the far the best boxer/figher i have seen in many years and after watching vitalis fight with johnson i hafe to say his fighting style resembles larry holmes

of course he did vitali is the far the best boxer/figher i have seen in many years and after watching vitalis fight with johnson i hafe to say his fighting style resembles larry holmes

Sarcasm? At least I hope it is.

Sarcasm? At least I hope it is.
Judging by the avatar, I would say not.

Only a true Vitali "fan" could find something good to say about that fight with Kirk "The Pillsbury Homeboy" Johnson.

dammit this thread as been made into to much...Roy said that for a "big guy" vitali was good...he's clow but was connecting good 1-2 combos (and he was)..so whats the big deal

vitali may not have ability and may not be the best boxer..but his reach, chin and height give him a advantage over anyone..

(remember the golden rule:in the HW divison you dont have to have great boxing skills...reach and height go a long way on itself) in lower weight MW one down ur height and rwch dont matter cuz u can outskill somone that has taller then you or that has better reach..but at HW if you have reahc and height it is a big thing

i think larry merchant said it better:he may be robotic and not a great boxers...but that "robotic" style of fighting, no one has been able to beat..even Lewis wasnt able to dominate (or even beat viatli-in my opinion)...lewis did win the fight..but he didnt beat vitali get me...

right now the only guy that has a chance against vitali is rahamn..and i still see rahman losing

(now i am gonna go eat cuz i am hungry....dammit lol)

well said..

RJJ, serving as a commentator of Williams-Klichko fight, gave a lot of credit to VK for his boxing skills.

RJJ said VK is a "beautiful outside fighter" and said that VK "has truly impressed him tonight" (after VK threw a double right upper-cut followed by one-two, which TKO8 Danny).

Now, I wonder what is up with RJJ? Did he really mean that?






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he likes overrated guys with weak chins..he feels close to them.... :D




jk

Roy should be ranked in top 20 pound for pound greatest of all time.