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cooper5
04-19-2011, 04:06 AM
This is it in my opinion, what's yours?? NO ACTIVE FIGHTERS PLEASE!!

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Joe Louis
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney

JAB5239
04-19-2011, 04:21 AM
My unofficial list off the top of my head.

Langford
Greb
Srr
Armstrong
B. Leonard
Charles
Pep
Duran
Gans
R. Leonard

I gotta really study up on Fitzsimmons as a great many posters I respect as well as many historians rank him very highly. I've just never paid in depth attention to his carer for some reason.

Vadrigar.
04-19-2011, 04:21 AM
This is it in my opinion, what's yours?? NO ACTIVE FIGHTERS PLEASE!!

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Joe Louis
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney

I like this list.

Vadrigar.
04-19-2011, 04:23 AM
My unofficial list off the top of my head.

Langford
Greb
Srr
Armstrong
B. Leonard
Charles
Pep
Duran
Gans
R. Leonard

I gotta really study upon Fitzsimmons as a great many posters I respect as well as many historians rank him very highly. I've just never paid in depth attention to his carer for some reason.

Why did you put Duran ahead of Ray Leonard?

Joeyzagz
04-19-2011, 04:26 AM
Agree with the names but I wouldnt put Dempsey over Greb.

JAB5239
04-19-2011, 04:26 AM
Why did you put Duran ahead of Ray Leonard?

Longevity and he didn't hand pick his opponents at higher weights like SRL did. I wouldn't argue to hard against any one ranking Leonard higher though.

PEBBLES!
04-19-2011, 04:34 AM
One of the better lists I've seen posted in this section. :fing02:

Although, Greb is much too low for my liking; why do you have him ranked below someone like B.Leonard?

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 07:28 AM
Roy Jones Jr

qari
04-19-2011, 07:32 AM
Roy Jones Jr

Should be in top 10 atleast

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 07:44 AM
Should be in top 10 atleast


Average Boxingscene User says: What do you mean you're so ignorant! No fighter of the past 2 decades could ever be great. Fighters that I have only seen bits of in shytty video are better.

The_Demon
04-19-2011, 08:31 AM
Average Boxingscene User says: What do you mean you're so ignorant! No fighter of the past 2 decades could ever be great. Fighters that I have only seen bits of in shytty video are better.

Who said that? who said roy jones isnt a great fighter? nobody,dont make stuff up too suit your own deluded agenda,you have made it clear on multiple occasions that your knowledge of the sport is severely lacking

Should be in top 10 atleast

No,he shouldn't

NChristo
04-19-2011, 08:54 AM
Not a fan of that list to be honest, no Ezzard Charles ?, Johnson, Dempsey and Marciano are all to high for my liking, can't please everyone though.

Props on making a list, don't think I could make a fixed one.

Scott9945
04-19-2011, 09:52 AM
Roy Jones Jr

The thread title clearly says "no active fighters", and Jones will be fighting again next month.

Barn
04-19-2011, 10:39 AM
I think there is too many Heavyweighs personally but, very good list.

I only have Muhammad Ali in my Top 10 for a Heavyweight and he's in the latter half.

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Sam Langford
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Willie Pep
7.Roberto Duran
8.Benny Leonard
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Eder Jofe
11.Joe Gans
12.Bob Fitzsimmons.
13.Mickey Walker
14.Jimmy Wilde
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy McLarlin
17.Joe Louis
18.Gene Tunney
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Tony Canzoneri
21.Pernell Whitaker
22.Charley Burely
23.Archie Moore
24.Aleixs Agruello
25.Sandy Saddler
26.Kid Gavilan
27.Julio Cesar Chavez
28.Stanley Ketchel
29.Terry McGovern
30.Marvin Hagler
31.Jose Napoles
32.Carlos Monzon
33.Thomas Hearns
34.Original Joe Walcott
35.Ted Kid Lewis
36.Ruben Olivares
37.Fighting Harada
38. Manny Pacquiao
39.Ricardo Lopez
40.Wilfred Benitez
41.Salvador Sanchez
48.Nicolino Locche
49.Billy Conn
50.Dick Tiger
51.Emile Griffith
52.Roy Jones Jr
53.Wilfredo Gomez
54.Young Peter Jackson
55.Antonio Cervantes
56.Miguel Canto
57.Nino Benvenuti

This is my latest list. Forgot Galaxy and cba writing out all the numbers for the upteenth time so he'd be about 38ish.

I only made this last week and Archie Moore is way too low for my liking already.

IronDanHamza
04-19-2011, 11:35 AM
Props on making a list. It's not a bad list at all.

I disagree with quite alot of your choices but still, good list.

IronDanHamza
04-19-2011, 11:37 AM
I think there is too many Heavyweighs personally but, very good list.

I only have Muhammad Ali in my Top 10 for a Heavyweight and he's in the latter half.

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Sam Langford
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Willie Pep
7.Roberto Duran
8.Benny Leonard
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Eder Jofe
11.Joe Gans
12.Bob Fitzsimmons.
13.Mickey Walker
14.Jimmy Wilde
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy McLarlin
17.Joe Louis
18.Gene Tunney
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Tony Canzoneri
21.Pernell Whitaker
22.Charley Burely
23.Archie Moore
24.Aleixs Agruello
25.Sandy Saddler
26.Kid Gavilan
27.Julio Cesar Chavez
28.Stanley Ketchel
29.Terry McGovern
30.Marvin Hagler
31.Jose Napoles
32.Carlos Monzon
33.Thomas Hearns
34.Original Joe Walcott
35.Ted Kid Lewis
36.Ruben Olivares
37.Fighting Harada
38. Manny Pacquiao
39.Ricardo Lopez
40.Wilfred Benitez
41.Salvador Sanchez
48.Nicolino Locche
49.Billy Conn
50.Dick Tiger
51.Emile Griffith
52.Roy Jones Jr
53.Wilfredo Gomez
54.Young Peter Jackson
55.Antonio Cervantes
56.Miguel Canto
57.Nino Benvenuti

This is my latest list. Forgot Galaxy and cba writing out all the numbers for the upteenth time so he'd be about 38ish.

I only made this last week and Archie Moore is way too low for my liking already.

Nice list, I like this one more than the TS' personally.

I agree with the bulk of it but some I strongly disagree with. But, as NChristo rightfully said, you can't please everyone and props for making such a long list.

Barn
04-19-2011, 11:43 AM
Nice list, I like this one more than the TS' personally.

I agree with the bulk of it but some I strongly disagree with. But, as NChristo rightfully said, you can't please everyone and props for making such a long list.
This was a little bit ago some of my opinions have even changed(Archie Moore for example) since however long ago I made it. Which wasn't a great amount of time.

Barn
04-19-2011, 11:45 AM
Average Boxingscene User says: What do you mean you're so ignorant! No fighter of the past 2 decades could ever be great. Fighters that I have only seen bits of in shytty video are better.
Unless it's a H2H list Roy Jones isn't anywhere near the Top 10.

Steak
04-19-2011, 12:28 PM
Johnson and Dempsey do not belong in the top 10 p4p whatsoever.

Barn
04-19-2011, 12:31 PM
Johnson and Dempsey do not belong in the top 10 p4p whatsoever.
I agree, I don't have neither in my Top 50.

The list favours heavyweights but, there me be some criteria such as H2H which could certainly make Dempsey in the Top 10.

Steak
04-19-2011, 12:40 PM
I agree, I don't have neither in my Top 50.

The list favours heavyweights but, there me be some criteria such as H2H which could certainly make Dempsey in the Top 10.
No, there shouldnt be any criteria that has either guy in the top 10 all time. thats flat out doing an injustice to better fighters that deserve that recongnition.

they werent even the best HWs of all time, and HWs history isnt as deep as Lightweight or Welterweight.

JAB5239
04-19-2011, 12:41 PM
This was a little bit ago some of my opinions have even changed(Archie Moore for example) since however long ago I made it. Which wasn't a great amount of time.

If your opinions don't change it means you've stopped learning. New information on past fighters seems to come out pretty regularly through. Good list BB.

Barn
04-19-2011, 12:41 PM
No, there shouldnt be any criteria that has either guy in the top 10 all time. thats flat out doing an injustice to better fighters that deserve that recongnition.

they werent even the best HWs of all time, and HWs history isnt as deep as Lightweight or Welterweight.
H2H I could see a potential arguement for Dempsey if I'm honest. Not a vert strong one but, still.

Barn
04-19-2011, 12:41 PM
If your opinions don't change it means you've stopped learning. New information on past fighters seems to come out pretty regularly through. Good list BB.
yes I know but, that list was only from 3 weeks ago lol. and thanks.

katsidis
04-19-2011, 01:53 PM
Average Boxingscene User says: What do you mean you're so ignorant! No fighter of the past 2 decades could ever be great. Fighters that I have only seen bits of in shytty video are better.

:rofl: thats about right

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 02:47 PM
This is based on ability adjusted for resume as opposed to resume alone:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles

Barn
04-19-2011, 02:51 PM
This is based on ability adjusted for resume as opposed to resume alone:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
Is Harry Greb ommited because of no footage?

Joeyzagz
04-19-2011, 03:11 PM
This is based on ability adjusted for resume as opposed to resume alone:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles

I like this poster a lot more after seeing this list. Greb is the only one missing.

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 03:19 PM
Is Harry Greb ommited because of no footage?

I favor smaller fighters when making p4p lists (hence no Heavyweights and a list with more than half the entries from Welterweight and below). At the same time, I have Robinson, Fitzsimmons, and Langford all rated higher than Greb at Middleweight.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 03:24 PM
I like this poster a lot more after seeing this list. Greb is the only one missing.

Fitzsimmons was easily one of the very greatest to ever lace them up. He was kicking the crap out of Jeffries before breaking both hands in one fight and simply wearing down in the other.

You might find this article to be interesting:
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/fitzsimmons.html

PS. I DID take you off block btw.....

Poet

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Unless it's a H2H list Roy Jones isn't anywhere near the Top 10.

Two Words, Unprecedented Dominance

Moved up from Middleweight to Heavyweight
A+ wins vs ATG Toney and Hopkins(yes B-Hop was in his prime)
B+ wins vs Ruiz Hill McCullum Harding Griffin Gonzalez
Lost maybe 25 rounds in his first 49 fights

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 04:37 PM
(yes B-Hop was in his prime)

No he wasn't. But YOU are obviously in your prime as a window licker :geek9:

Barn
04-19-2011, 04:37 PM
Two Words, Unprecedented Dominance

Moved up from Middleweight to Heavyweight
A+ wins vs ATG Toney and Hopkins(yes B-Hop was in his prime)
B+ wins vs Ruiz Hill McCullum Harding Griffin Gonzalez
Lost maybe 25 rounds in his first 49 fights
Who do you think he should be above out of:

SRR, Greb, Langford, Armstrong, Charles, Pep, Duran, Leonard, Fitzsimmons, Ali.

Purely in terms of accomplishments, resume, longlivity.

You don't get longelivity points for just fighting you need to win as well lol.

BigStereotype
04-19-2011, 06:30 PM
This is it in my opinion, what's yours?? NO ACTIVE FIGHTERS PLEASE!!

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Joe Louis
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney

Wow, usually these threads are knuckleheads trying to piss everyone off. This is a good list. A couple of names I would switch around, but you'll have that with any list. Good stuff.

SBleeder
04-19-2011, 06:30 PM
Mind if I share mine?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Sam Langford
6. Willie Pep
7. Joe Louis
8. Archie Moore
9. Carlos Monzon
10. Ricardo Lopez

The ten most skillful fighters of all time, with resumes to back it up. I'll defend Monzon and Lopez to the death.

JAB5239
04-19-2011, 06:33 PM
Mind if I share mine?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Sam Langford
6. Willie Pep
7. Joe Louis
8. Archie Moore
9. Carlos Monzon
10. Ricardo Lopez

The ten most skillful fighters of all time, with resumes to back it up. I'll defend Monzon and Lopez to the death.

If you're going to base it on skills and resume than its a sin not to have Benny Leonard in the top 10.

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 06:44 PM
Who do you think he should be above out of:

SRR, Greb, Langford, Armstrong, Charles, Pep, Duran, Leonard, Fitzsimmons, Ali.

Purely in terms of accomplishments, resume, longlivity.

You don't get longelivity points for just fighting you need to win as well lol.


Modern boxers shouldn't be compared to old time boxers so that eliminates SRR Greb Langford Armstrong Charles Pep and Fitzsimmons. RJJ is right there with Leonard Ali and Duran basically even

Steak
04-19-2011, 06:53 PM
This is based on ability adjusted for resume as opposed to resume alone:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles

Arguello was awesome, but I dont see how he is top 10 all time, even with more weight on ability.

I dont see how he can be rated above Moore, for example.

pacquia0
04-19-2011, 06:53 PM
Mind if I share mine?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Sam Langford
6. Willie Pep
7. Joe Louis
8. Archie Moore
9. Carlos Monzon
10. Ricardo Lopez

The ten most skillful fighters of all time, with resumes to back it up. I'll defend Monzon and Lopez to the death.

Duran and Chavez should be on there. Resume and skills back it up.

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 07:06 PM
Arguello was awesome, but I dont see how he is top 10 all time, even with more weight on ability.

I dont see how he can be rated above Moore, for example.

And I've gotten some heat before for ranking Arguello as highly as I do. I just happen to think he's one of the finest fighters I ever laid eyes on. Call it a quirk but I have Arguello ranked #1 at Featherweight.....over Pep.

Poet

Steak
04-19-2011, 07:09 PM
And I've gotten some heat before for ranking Arguello as highly as I do. I just happen to think he's one of the finest fighters I ever laid eyes on. Call it a quirk but I have Arguello ranked #1 at Featherweight.....over Pep.

Poet

do you think that Arguello would have beaten Pep at Featherweight? He always had trouble with movers/potshotters, like Marcel and Fernandez.

$Natedatpkid$
04-19-2011, 07:09 PM
Two Words, Unprecedented Dominance

Moved up from Middleweight to Heavyweight
A+ wins vs ATG Toney and Hopkins(yes B-Hop was in his prime)
B+ wins vs Ruiz Hill McCullum Harding Griffin Gonzalez
Lost maybe 25 rounds in his first 49 fights

The thing is a lot of the people in most people's top 10 have more then 2 A+ wins but in reality he on has 1 A+ win. Jones was coming out of the Olympics when he turned pro, Hopkins was coming out of jail. Hopkins got better as he fought on. He was young but not prime. He didn't hit his prime until the late 90's.

The list is pretty good. Of course as anybody else I'd switch a few people but I haven't even made a list up myself yet because I still gotta ***** load more fights and careers to watch before I could make one. All lists are opinions and everybody has different ones but it's not a bad list at all.

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 07:18 PM
do you think that Arguello would have beaten Pep at Featherweight? He always had trouble with movers/potshotters, like Marcel and Fernandez.

I think he'd have problems with Pep.....as I think anyone would have trouble with Pep. I can see either fighter eeking out a razor thin decision though. They're close enough in talent in my eyes that I wouldn't have any issue with anyone ranking Pep #1. I think Arguello sparks Saddler and pounds out a solid if unspectacular decision against Sanchez: The only two other guys I could see being in competion for the top spot.

Poet

Steak
04-19-2011, 07:20 PM
I think he'd have problems with Pep.....as I think anyone would have trouble with Pep. I can see either fighter eeking out a razor thin decision though. They're close enough in talent in my eyes that I wouldn't have any issue with anyone ranking Pep #1. I think Arguello sparks Saddler and pounds out a solid if unspectacular decision against Sanchez: The only two other guys I could see being in competion for the top spot.

Poet

Sanchez vs Arugello is a pretty amazing matchup I havent thought of before.

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 07:26 PM
Sanchez vs Arugello is a pretty amazing matchup I havent thought of before.

It's one that should have been made IMO.....Arguello was moving up in weight when Sanchez came to prominence though. Would have loved to have seen it that's for sure.

Poet

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 08:04 PM
The thing is a lot of the people in most people's top 10 have more then 2 A+ wins but in reality he on has 1 A+ win. Jones was coming out of the Olympics when he turned pro, Hopkins was coming out of jail. Hopkins got better as he fought on. He was young but not prime. He didn't hit his prime until the late 90's.


B-Hop was 28 years old, won 22 in a row before Roy and went undefeated for over a decade after Roy if that isn't a prime then I don't know what is.

As for fighters having more then 2 A+ wins. Yes of course most old time boxers who fought 6-12x a year have more big wins they had way more fights. Which is why it is dumb to compare them to modern fighters

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 08:07 PM
I don't know what is.

And there's the answer.

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 08:11 PM
Barrera Gomez Pacquiao and Sanchez would all beat Arguello IMO

$Natedatpkid$
04-19-2011, 08:22 PM
B-Hop was 28 years old, won 22 in a row before Roy and went undefeated for over a decade after Roy if that isn't a prime then I don't know what is.

As for fighters having more then 2 A+ wins. Yes of course most old time boxers who fought 6-12x a year have more big wins they had way more fights. Which is why it is dumb to compare them to modern fighters

Age means nothing to Bernard Hopkins. As I said he got better as he fought on. Are we even talking about the same person? 22 in a row means nothing when your still coming up in the sport fighting nobody's. I don't think Hopkins hit his prime until the 1st Segundo Mercado fight. That brought the best outta him because he had to fight back from knockdowns.

Hopkins is one of my favorite fighters and I've seen all of his fights, have you? If you did you would know their was a huge difference between Hopkins from 94 to present compared with early 1993-and before Hopkins. Hopkins learned from his losses and matured

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 08:23 PM
Barrera Gomez Pacquiao and Sanchez would all beat Arguello IMO

Go take another bong hit and see what other fantasies you can come up with.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
04-19-2011, 08:26 PM
Sanchez vs Arugello is a pretty amazing matchup I havent thought of before.

That's got me pondering the "might-have-beens" again, I think I'll run that on Title Bout and see what comes up :thinking9:

Poet

SCtrojansbaby
04-19-2011, 08:58 PM
Age means nothing to Bernard Hopkins. As I said he got better as he fought on. Are we even talking about the same person? 22 in a row means nothing when your still coming up in the sport fighting nobody's. I don't think Hopkins hit his prime until the 1st Segundo Mercado fight. That brought the best outta him because he had to fight back from knockdowns.

Hopkins is one of my favorite fighters and I've seen all of his fights, have you? If you did you would know their was a huge difference between Hopkins from 94 to present compared with early 1993-and before Hopkins. Hopkins learned from his losses and matured

B-Hop is my favorite look at my sig.

Most of his early fights were not on TV. But I have seen probable his last 35 or so. He was the same fighter against Roy as he was up until the Tito fight. Roy like he did to every body made him look bad.

The_Demon
04-20-2011, 07:50 AM
B-Hop was 28 years old, won 22 in a row before Roy and went undefeated for over a decade after Roy if that isn't a prime then I don't know what is.

As for fighters having more then 2 A+ wins. Yes of course most old time boxers who fought 6-12x a year have more big wins they had way more fights. Which is why it is dumb to compare them to modern fighters

You should stop posting now

tyger
04-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Wonder if Pernell WHitaker would of done better in lists if he had wins against J.C.Chavez, Oscar and J.L.Ramirez the first time on his record?

$Natedatpkid$
04-20-2011, 08:59 PM
B-Hop is my favorite look at my sig.

Most of his early fights were not on TV. But I have seen probable his last 35 or so. He was the same fighter against Roy as he was up until the Tito fight. Roy like he did to every body made him look bad.

hahaha did you just change that?

How you going to be a #1 Hopkins fan and think he never got better or improved since the Roy Jones fight? He was no where near his prime until after it because it made him a better fighter. I honestly couldn't even tell you when Hopkins prime was and be 100% sure about it because of the fact he got better with age.

40+ years old and still schooling the young bloods. GOTTA LOVE IT!

Zizou3
04-22-2011, 10:33 AM
my revised p4p atg list........

1. Harry Greb
2. Willie Pep
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Jimmy Wilde
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Robinson
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Gene Tunney
9. Sam Langford
10. Henry Armstrong


list subject to change.........

GJC
04-22-2011, 10:37 AM
I think there is too many Heavyweighs personally but, very good list.

I only have Muhammad Ali in my Top 10 for a Heavyweight and he's in the latter half.

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Sam Langford
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Willie Pep
7.Roberto Duran
8.Benny Leonard
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Eder Jofe
11.Joe Gans
12.Bob Fitzsimmons.
13.Mickey Walker
14.Jimmy Wilde
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy McLarlin
17.Joe Louis
18.Gene Tunney
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Tony Canzoneri
21.Pernell Whitaker
22.Charley Burely
23.Archie Moore
24.Aleixs Agruello
25.Sandy Saddler
26.Kid Gavilan
27.Julio Cesar Chavez
28.Stanley Ketchel
29.Terry McGovern
30.Marvin Hagler
31.Jose Napoles
32.Carlos Monzon
33.Thomas Hearns
34.Original Joe Walcott
35.Ted Kid Lewis
36.Ruben Olivares
37.Fighting Harada
38. Manny Pacquiao
39.Ricardo Lopez
40.Wilfred Benitez
41.Salvador Sanchez
48.Nicolino Locche
49.Billy Conn
50.Dick Tiger
51.Emile Griffith
52.Roy Jones Jr
53.Wilfredo Gomez
54.Young Peter Jackson
55.Antonio Cervantes
56.Miguel Canto
57.Nino Benvenuti

This is my latest list. Forgot Galaxy and cba writing out all the numbers for the upteenth time so he'd be about 38ish.

I only made this last week and Archie Moore is way too low for my liking already.
Lot of work in that list, where you gonna put Packy McFarland, Barn? ;)

RubenSonny
04-22-2011, 12:06 PM
Wonder if Pernell WHitaker would of done better in lists if he had wins against J.C.Chavez, Oscar and J.L.Ramirez the first time on his record?

I actually count those all as wins and I think he might just miss the top 10 on my list, he didn't get on the last time I put down a list, though I wouldn't be mad at anyone with him in the lower end of the top 10, there are few with better resumes.

Lot of work in that list, where you gonna put Packy McFarland, Barn? ;)

GJC you pedantic bastard :lol1:

GJC
04-22-2011, 12:20 PM
GJC you pedantic bastard :lol1:

Haha, I'm just helping with the next 43 when Barn rounds it off. Solid list though we can always argue anyone's order. Hands up, I always knock Charles further down my list than I should and probably put Archie Moore up a few slots higher than most but lists are personal.
The Charles ploy is also to distract people from the fact that Baksi is slipped in somewhere ;)

RubenSonny
04-22-2011, 12:30 PM
Haha, I'm just helping with the next 43 when Barn rounds it off. Solid list though we can always argue anyone's order. Hands up, I always knock Charles further down my list than I should and probably put Archie Moore up a few slots higher than most but lists are personal.
The Charles ploy is also to distract people from the fact that Baksi is slipped in somewhere ;)

lol I actually didn't know anything about Baksi until you mentioned him to me awhile ago in a thread about the best heavyweight contenders. it is an excellent list though, I'm not sure if I'd switch the top 7 round at all, I've always ranked Charles higher than Moore though I know a lot of people do it the other way, I'd love to see Nelson in there but it is what it is.

Barn
04-22-2011, 12:36 PM
Haha, I'm just helping with the next 43 when Barn rounds it off. Solid list though we can always argue anyone's order. Hands up, I always knock Charles further down my list than I should and probably put Archie Moore up a few slots higher than most but lists are personal.
The Charles ploy is also to distract people from the fact that Baksi is slipped in somewhere ;)
Yeah, that list was a copy and paste from a few weeks back and when I did it it was:
"Oh ****, Archie Moore is way too high."
The most difficult part of making lists is typing in all the numbers once you're done, I wasn't up for doing that again lol.

I was planning on putting Baski at 58, and McFarland at 59 ;)

GJC
04-23-2011, 11:07 PM
This is based on ability adjusted for resume as opposed to resume alone:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
And still he misses Pep off! I know you do it to annoy me :)

Ok my friend its make or break here's what you need to do:

1) Pop yourself in a quiet room
2) Put on some Pep on one of those big screens
3) Pour yourself a glass of wine, not beer this is culture after all. Re the wine I'm afraid it has to be a French Red. I know the French are cheese eating surrender monkeys and red isn't your favourite colour but trust me. Americans do some fine things, wine isn't one of them.
4) Turn off the sound/commentary and put on something classical. By classical I mean Verdi/Puccini not that Iron Maiden noise you are fond off.
5) Lay back sip your wine, let the music wash over you and watch the beauty of movement that is Pep. ;)

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2011, 11:27 PM
And still he misses Pep off! I know you do it to annoy me

Ok my friend its make or break here's what you need to do:

1) Pop yourself in a quiet room
2) Put on some Pep on one of those big screens
3) Pour yourself a glass of wine, not beer this is culture after all. Re the wine I'm afraid it has to be a French Red. I know the French are cheese eating surrender monkeys and red isn't your favourite colour but trust me. Americans do some fine things, wine isn't one of them.
4) Turn off the sound/commentary and put on something classical. By classical I mean Verdi/Puccini not that Iron Maiden noise you are fond off.
5) Lay back sip your wine, let the music wash over you and watch the beauty of movement that is Pep.

PMSL! I personally prefer Italian wines :p Goes with the Italian cuisine I like to cook :grin9: Believe it or not I have some Verdi although I personally prefer Vivaldi :geek9: Pep, I think, would be better suited to Stavinsky if I was picking the soundtrack.....or maybe Rimsky-Koraskov :chuckle9:

Poet

GJC
04-23-2011, 11:37 PM
PMSL! I personally prefer Italian wines :P Goes with the Italian cuisine I like to cook :grin9: Believe it or not I have some Verdi although I personally prefer Vivaldi :geek9: Pep, I think, would be better suited to Stavinsky if I was picking the soundtrack.....or maybe Rimsky-Koraskov :chuckle9:

Poet
At least that din of yours hasn't totally ruined your hearing :)
I can do some Led Zeppelin as I wasn't a total fossil when they came on the scene after that I lose it. Although if it was a choice between what you listen to and my grandson's music..............
We had Elvis and the Beatles, Pep,Archie Moore SRR, golden days. I just wish I could remember them :)

GJC
04-23-2011, 11:38 PM
I was planning on putting Baski at 58

Good lad, one down 15,000 to go :)

Ziggy Stardust
04-23-2011, 11:46 PM
At least that din of yours hasn't totally ruined your hearing :)
I can do some Led Zeppelin as I wasn't a total fossil when they came on the scene after that I lose it. Although if it was a choice between what you listen to and my grandson's music..............
We had Elvis and the Beatles, Pep,Archie Moore SRR, golden days. I just wish I could remember them :)

Zeppelin rocks, I also have every album the Beatles put out and a fair bit of Elvis. My musical tastes are esoteric and highly varied.....I listen to "Classical", 1940s Big Band Swing, Classic Rock, Art Rock (think Pink Floyd), Progressive Rock, Classic Metal, and for a "modern" touch I listen to Goth Rock: Very much a "current" genre :p

Poet

Turok2
04-23-2011, 11:49 PM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

note:this is not my list.it's espn's top 50 boxers of all time as of 2007

Vadrigar.
08-02-2011, 05:16 AM
This is it in my opinion, what's yours?? NO ACTIVE FIGHTERS PLEASE!!

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Joe Louis
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Roberto Duran
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Archie Moore

Roy Keane
08-02-2011, 06:52 AM
Reading that bob fitzsimmons article theres alot of black smith & plasterer etc etc i have no doubt roy at 175lbs beats fitzsimmons. To fast to powerful to skilled. Before people call me an idiot its MY OPINION. People defend old fighters and get abit delusional about it TBH. People talk about fitzsimmons like they have seen him with there own eyes and will bash roy, its bollocks in MY OPINION. Roy>>> fitzsimmons

Barn
08-02-2011, 07:38 AM
Reading that bob fitzsimmons article theres alot of black smith & plasterer etc etc i have no doubt roy at 175lbs beats fitzsimmons. To fast to powerful to skilled. Before people call me an idiot its MY OPINION. People defend old fighters and get abit delusional about it TBH. People talk about fitzsimmons like they have seen him with there own eyes and will bash roy, its bollocks in MY OPINION. Roy>>> fitzsimmons
I agree, Roy is way too skilled for old Fitz. Althought, Bob would be in there until the end and despite being beaten in a points sense comfortably, you've always got to fear his power if you are Roy.

Marchegiano
08-02-2011, 09:15 AM
wow, respect, and way to remember. I'm gonna try to do 10.

Tom Sayers ( LPRR 155lb HW champ. Iffen ya don't know the name you should google it. Right good reads mate I promise.)
Ray Robinson
Jack NP Dempsey ( First p4p king, Said to be better than Sullivan. )
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Harry Greb
Archie Moore
Jem Mace. (toured the states with John C Heenan in the 1860's. EVERYONE owes a bit of their style to the Gypsy...he refaced boxing and redefined skills.)
Nat Langham
Rocky Marciano ( I justify one of the worst "boxer" skilled HW's of all time by claiming he is the epitome of slugger. not p4p in skills but p4p in determination. Rocco is the p4p king of heart. Plus who at 180lbs has cracked a skull? Great, now, who weighing more has cracked a skull? p4p power)

fitefanSHO
08-02-2011, 09:21 AM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Carlos Monzon
7. Archie Moore
8. Sugar Ray Leonard
9. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
10. Rocky Marciano

(but please understand I am from Brockton AND highly regard SRL) :boxing:

Barn
08-02-2011, 09:39 AM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Carlos Monzon
7. Archie Moore
8. Sugar Ray Leonard
9. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
10. Rocky Marciano

(but please understand I am from Brockton AND highly regard SRL) :boxing:
Where do you rank Langford and Greb?

fitefanSHO
08-02-2011, 09:41 AM
Where do you rank Langford and Greb?

Top 20, somewhere between 11 & 20. I had to pick 10, no easy task! :boxing:

McGoorty
08-02-2011, 09:41 AM
Longevity and he didn't hand pick his opponents at higher weights like SRL did. I wouldn't argue to hard against any one ranking Leonard higher though.
I agree with you about ray Leonard, but I don't have Duran as high as a lot of posters around. Leonard's 39 fights is far too sparse ( christ Kid Williams had 200 plus and hardly lost a fight, Les Darcy's last 48 fights took just 47 months !!!, I can list 40 more at least who did that )I know he was an incredible talent but NO WAY does 39 match with guys who with 150 plus fights. there are others that I think are a little high, but I don't want to nit-pick too much on other posts, I don't believe in a definitive top 10 or even 3 and even though I have Robinson as number one, I don't have too much confidence that I'm right, because I suspect that some earlier fighters may have destroyed him. SRR's record alone gives him the claim rights,..... but who am I,...... or WE, to say.

McGoorty
08-02-2011, 10:02 AM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Carlos Monzon
7. Archie Moore
8. Sugar Ray Leonard
9. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
10. Rocky Marciano

(but please understand I am from Brockton AND highly regard SRL) :boxing:
I'm not from Brockton or even the U.S., nor Italian, But you don't have to, to love the Rock, my favorite HW of 'em all, a REAL warrior !!!

GJC
08-02-2011, 11:07 AM
Rocky Marciano ( I justify one of the worst "boxer" skilled HW's of all time by claiming he is the epitome of slugger. not p4p in skills but p4p in determination. Rocco is the p4p king of heart. Plus who at 180lbs has cracked a skull? Great, now, who weighing more has cracked a skull? p4p power)
Can't have been the only one who wasn't suprised to see you put the Rock in there ;) no arguments from me love the Rock
Re comments on Jem Mace, check out Mendoza too he also pushed boxing forward.

Ziggy Stardust
08-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Reading that bob fitzsimmons article theres alot of black smith & plasterer etc etc i have no doubt roy at 175lbs beats fitzsimmons. To fast to powerful to skilled. Before people call me an idiot its MY OPINION. People defend old fighters and get abit delusional about it TBH. People talk about fitzsimmons like they have seen him with there own eyes and will bash roy, its bollocks in MY OPINION. Roy>>> fitzsimmons

Opinions are like azzholes: The wrong people have them and they're all full of sh1t :jerk0ff9:

Poet

McGoorty
08-02-2011, 11:40 AM
wow, respect, and way to remember. I'm gonna try to do 10.

Tom Sayers ( LPRR 155lb HW champ. Iffen ya don't know the name you should google it. Right good reads mate I promise.)
Ray Robinson
Jack NP Dempsey ( First p4p king, Said to be better than Sullivan. )
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Harry Greb
Archie Moore
Jem Mace. (toured the states with John C Heenan in the 1860's. EVERYONE owes a bit of their style to the Gypsy...he refaced boxing and redefined skills.)
Nat Langham
Rocky Marciano ( I justify one of the worst "boxer" skilled HW's of all time by claiming he is the epitome of slugger. not p4p in skills but p4p in determination. Rocco is the p4p king of heart. Plus who at 180lbs has cracked a skull? Great, now, who weighing more has cracked a skull? p4p power)
Your'e right about Marciano. I can't stand it when idiots talk about skills or lack of it with Marciano. Rocky did some things in the ring that took GREAT SKILL. On youtube, somebody WHO KNOWS Boxing skills put a tribute showing film at different speeds of Rocky, for instance his ability to set up a killer blow after slipping under punches and a little step forward as he comes up and over with his hook. Do some morons actually think that a small HW that Knocked out -- "FORTY TWO" in just 49 fights, some posters (who have beaten nobody-- EVER) think this way !!!!!! WEIRD !!!!!!. .Keep up the good work M.

McGoorty
08-02-2011, 11:43 AM
Opinions are like azzholes: The wrong people have them and they're all full of sh1t :jerk0ff9:

Poet
THE ONLY ROY BETTER THAN BOB FITZSIMMONS Is ROY ROGERS,,,,,,,but that's debatable

GJC
08-02-2011, 11:51 AM
THE ONLY ROY BETTER THAN BOB FITZSIMMONS Is ROY ROGERS,,,,,,,but that's debatable
Gonna press Roy Orbison's case here

Ziggy Stardust
08-02-2011, 11:53 AM
Gonna press Roy Orbison's case here

Rob Roy :cool9:

GJC
08-02-2011, 11:59 AM
Rob Roy :cool9:
Judge Roy Bean :)
Can see this getting out of hand!

Jay Volcano
08-02-2011, 12:05 PM
My TOP All Time P4P
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Jack Demspey
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Mickey Walker

Barn
08-02-2011, 12:20 PM
My TOP All Time P4P
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Jack Demspey
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Mickey Walker
Swap Jack Dempsey with Langford and its amazing :)

GoogleMe
08-02-2011, 01:32 PM
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Sam Langford
7. Benny Leonard
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Willie Pep
10. Joe Gans

McGoorty
08-02-2011, 05:07 PM
Judge Roy Bean :)
Can see this getting out of hand!
Oh !!!!!!, What about Jazzman ROY ELDRIGE !!!!!!!!!

GJC
08-02-2011, 05:58 PM
Oh !!!!!!, What about Jazzman ROY ELDRIGE !!!!!!!!!
Have to say Jazz has never been for me. My father was a massive Jazz fan so my anti jazziness was probably my teenage rebellion :)