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boxingking500
04-14-2011, 09:49 PM
Jimmy Wilde or Joe Calzaghe

Scott9945
04-14-2011, 09:53 PM
Unlike a lot of Yanks, I'm not a Calzaghe hater. But Jimmy Wilde is a clear choice here. He is one of the all time elite fighters.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-14-2011, 10:31 PM
Unlike a lot of Yanks, I'm not a Calzaghe hater. But Jimmy Wilde is a clear choice here. He is one of the all time elite fighters.

I don't know how it's an argument, honestly.

The_Demon
04-14-2011, 10:32 PM
Im a huge Calzaghe fan but Wilde is the greater fighter,by a fair margin too

Steak
04-14-2011, 10:34 PM
who did Wilde beat that was so good? he only defended his flyweight title once or twice.

this is me actually asking, I know nothing about his career and cant find any rankings about him.

Scott9945
04-14-2011, 10:48 PM
who did Wilde beat that was so good? he only defended his flyweight title once or twice.

this is me actually asking, I know nothing about his career and cant find any rankings about him.

Few living people can speak knowledgably about flyweights from over 90 years ago, so there isn't much insight about his competition. But he did have 100 KO's and only 4 losses, went years at a time without losing. and weighed less than 100 lbs most of his career. That's good enough for me.

Steak
04-14-2011, 10:52 PM
Few living people can speak knowledgably about flyweights from over 90 years ago, so there isn't much insight about his competition. But he did have 100 KO's and only 4 losses, went years at a time without losing. and weighed less than 100 lbs most of his career. That's good enough for me.

hmmm, records can be very deceiving. Id much rather know who he beat instead of the number of guys he beat.

Scott9945
04-14-2011, 11:20 PM
hmmm, records can be very deceiving. Id much rather know who he beat instead of the number of guys he beat.

Flyweights were lowly regarded then. Wilde campaigned as what would be now a strawweight and beat the best around. Unless you can make a case for him not beating other flyweights of note, I don't see any reason to dismiss what was obviously a brilliant career.

Steak
04-14-2011, 11:41 PM
Flyweights were lowly regarded then. Wilde campaigned as what would be now a strawweight and beat the best around. Unless you can make a case for him not beating other flyweights of note, I don't see any reason to dismiss what was obviously a brilliant career.
Im just saying Ive seen far too many records that are very misleading, and would not think to appoint greatness to a fighter simply because they had a lot of wins.

Until I know enough about him, I will withhold any ranking I give him.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-15-2011, 12:55 AM
And from where do you plan to exponentially grow your knowledge of Wilde's competition?

Steak
04-15-2011, 02:27 AM
And from where do you plan to exponentially grow your knowledge of Wilde's competition?
I generally like to look up old magazine rankings and publications, but none are available that far back(that Ive found at least).

thats why I asked. I think its a bit silly to be rating someone so highly when you dont know how much high level competition he beat.

Forza
04-15-2011, 04:07 AM
Wilde is a legend in wales and planted the seed for all young kids to aspire to be boxers from that area. He is a legend over there from what I hear, theres a giant statue of him.

Calzaghe is the best though

IronDanHamza
04-15-2011, 09:36 AM
I don't know how it's an argument, honestly.

There isn't one.

It's obviously Wilde.

RubenSonny
04-15-2011, 09:42 AM
Wilde is a legend in wales and planted the seed for all young kids to aspire to be boxers from that area. He is a legend over there from what I hear, theres a giant statue of him.

Calzaghe is the best though

:lol1: Surely it can't be that big?

Barn
04-15-2011, 09:52 AM
:lol1: Surely it can't be that big?
lmfao.....

Mugwump
04-17-2011, 06:26 PM
Calzaghe is a modern great. But Wilde is an all time legend.

I read an article on Wilde by Bert Sugar in which he said he was one of the hardest hitters the lower weights had ever seen. He also had tremendous athleticism and a chin you'd need a nuke to crack.

IIRC, Sugar ranked Wilde in his top twenty of all time - putting him ahead of Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Walcott, John L. Sullivan and Archie Moore.

That's good enough for me.