View Full Version : Top 50 Pound for Pound. Mark III.


Barn
04-08-2011, 11:09 AM
1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Sam Langford
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Willie Pep
7.Roberto Duran
8.Benny Leonard
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Eder Jofe
11.Joe Gans
12.Bob Fitzsimmons.
13.Mickey Walker
14.Jimmy Wilde
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy McLarlin
17.Joe Louis
18.Gene Tunney
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Tony Canzoneri
21.Pernell Whitaker
22.Charley Burely
23.Archie Moore
24.Aleixs Agruello
25.Sandy Saddler
26.Kid Gavilan
27.Julio Cesar Chavez
28.Stanley Ketchel
29.Terry McGovern
30.Marvin Hagler
31.Jose Napoles
32.Carlos Monzon
33.Thomas Hearns
34.Original Joe Walcott
35.Ted Kid Lewis
36.Ruben Olivares
37.Fighting Harada
38. Manny Pacquiao
39.Ricardo Lopez
40.Wilfred Benitez
41.Salvador Sanchez
48.Nicolino Locche
49.Billy Conn
50.Dick Tiger
51.Emile Griffith
52.Roy Jones Jr
53.Wilfredo Gomez
54.Young Peter Jackson
55.Antonio Cervantes
56.Miguel Canto
57.Nino Benvenuti

Accidently went a bit too far.

Criteria - Resume, Accomplishments, Title Defences, Longelivity.

H2H was used as a tie-breaker.

RubenSonny
04-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Mine would look a bit different but excellent list :fing02:

Barn
04-08-2011, 04:31 PM
Mine would look a bit different but excellent list :fing02:
Thanks a lot :)

On reflection I forgot Galaxy :l

Probably stick him in about Latter 30's somewhere.

TouchyAndalou
04-08-2011, 05:15 PM
1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Sam Langford
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Willie Pep
7.Roberto Duran
8.Benny Leonard
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Eder Jofe
11.Joe Gans
12.Bob Fitzsimmons.
13.Mickey Walker
14.Jimmy Wilde
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy McLarlin
17.Joe Louis
18.Gene Tunney
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Tony Canzoneri
21.Pernell Whitaker
22.Charley Burely
23.Archie Moore
24.Aleixs Agruello
25.Sandy Saddler
26.Kid Gavilan
27.Julio Cesar Chavez
28.Stanley Ketchel
29.Terry McGovern
30.Marvin Hagler
31.Jose Napoles
32.Carlos Monzon
33.Thomas Hearns
34.Original Joe Walcott
35.Ted Kid Lewis
36.Ruben Olivares
37.Fighting Harada
38. Manny Pacquiao
39.Ricardo Lopez
40.Wilfred Benitez
41.Salvador Sanchez
48.Nicolino Locche
49.Billy Conn
50.Dick Tiger
51.Emile Griffith
52.Roy Jones Jr
53.Wilfredo Gomez
54.Young Peter Jackson
55.Antonio Cervantes
56.Miguel Canto
57.Nino Benvenuti

Accidently went a bit too far.

Criteria - Resume, Accomplishments, Title Defences, Longelivity.

H2H was used as a tie-breaker.Where do you rank Jack Johnson and why, out of interest?

Barn
04-08-2011, 05:56 PM
Where do you rank Jack Johnson and why, out of interest?
Probably Top 70 and around 5 on a Heavyweight list. His inability to fight Sam Langford loses him lots of points and his resume isn't exactly amazing. His longelivity and dominance gives him a few extra points though.

Steak
04-08-2011, 07:02 PM
you have Jofre pretty high. how come?

Scott9945
04-08-2011, 11:18 PM
you have Jofre pretty high. how come?

His record for one. I've seen him fight, and if I made a list he'd be even higher.

joseph5620
04-09-2011, 12:35 AM
His record for one. I've seen him fight, and if I made a list he'd be even higher.

I agree. I think Jofre is at least top 5.

Steak
04-09-2011, 12:42 AM
His record for one. I've seen him fight, and if I made a list he'd be even higher.

Im not familiar with his particular record. what made it so good?

Ziggy Stardust
04-09-2011, 03:03 AM
Jofre is the concensus GOAT at Bantamweight among boxing historians: I can't see a p4p list without him making the top-20 MINIMUM.

Poet

Barn
04-09-2011, 03:45 AM
you have Jofre pretty high. how come?
Who do you think is more deserving of his place?

Steak
04-09-2011, 04:13 AM
Who do you think is more deserving of his place?

like I said, I dont know that much of his career so it wouldnt be fair for me to say. but seeing as the best name on his record is Saldivar who had retired twice before and hadnt fought in 2 years prior to facing Jofre, I dont think I can give him a huge amount of credit for the win.

After some quick research Jofre's best wins are over Espinosa, Miranda, Rollo, Medal, Caldwell, Aoki and Caraballo before losing to Fighting Harada. no doubt a solid list of the best available to him, but none of them really went on to do much other than Medal.

I dont really know how much credit Im supposed to give him for the win over Saldivar, who was an excellent fighter but definitely at the end of his career and (again) had not fought in over 2 years. The Legra win was very good considering his age althogh controversial from what Im reading.

Im not saying it was bad by any means, but it just does not seem like top 10 p4p material, although I could simply be misjudging his competition, in which case I would be more than willing to hear what you have to say about it.

I dont really see how he should be rated above say Leonard or Whitaker, for starters.
feel free to educate me on who Jofre beat that warrants his high ranking, because as I said I havent put an amazing amount of research into it and could be doing him a disservice.
What would you say is Jofre's best win?

IronDanHamza
04-09-2011, 06:43 AM
Jofre is the concensus GOAT at Bantamweight among boxing historians: I can't see a p4p list without him making the top-20 MINIMUM.

Poet

Completely agree.

Vadrigar.
04-09-2011, 06:59 AM
I would do some shuffling arond in the top 10 but overall a great list.

Barn
04-09-2011, 07:01 AM
I would do some shuffling arond in the top 10 but overall a great list.
What arrangement would you have?