View Full Version : I'm a Sugar Ray Robinson fan, but Chavez Jr beats him every which way...


TouchyAndalou
04-05-2011, 09:12 PM
...and stops him inside ten at 160 pounds.

I must admit, I was unsure as to the outcome of this fight for a long while, probably getting too wrapped up in Robinson's legend status and forgetting that the sport has developed greatly and the athletic gulf between the different generations is astronomical. What finally swayed me was how, after having some criticism levelled at him for a relatively uninspiring performance against Matt Vanda, Chavez Jr rebounded to totally outbox and befuddle Vanda in a dominating and highly impressive fashion. To me this shows a degree of adaptability that, for all his wonderful attributes, I don't think Robinson ever fully displayed.

Okay, sure, Robinson bounced back after losses to LaMotta, Fullmer Turpin and Basilio, but I don't think any of those guys were quite on Vanda's level, who, despite the two losses to Chavez Jr, is as sure a thing as sure things go for selection to the Hall of Fame. Also, and not for nothing, Chavez never lost to guys like LaMotta and Fullmer in the first place. You know a fighter is something a little bit special when he's being criticised after winning a wide decision, right?

Speaking of Randy Turpin incidentally, as we're all aware this is a man who Sugar Ray Robinson lost to in a world title fight. Yes, that's right, Randy Turpin, the English bricklayer by trade. All the while, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr has been routinely beating Mexican taxi drivers, an altogether tougher breed.

Finally and also in favour of Chavez Jr, it's rare you find two all-time great level fighters campaigning in the same weight at the same time - and rarer still that they actually put it on the line and face one another! - but that's exactly what we have at the moment in Chavez Jr and John Duddy. This, for me, was a pick em fight, and the sort of win that cements supersuperstar staus on a young fighter like Julio Cesar Jr. Compare this to Robinson, who only ever fought one guy you could make an argument for being a better than average fighter, and in that fight, against Willie Pep, Robinson basically clowned around against an old, shot Pep, who I believe also had eye problems at the time. Clown around like that against a killer like Chavez Jr and it's all over red rover.

But at any rate, like I said, this is Chavez's fight to lose. Freddie Roach formulates the perfect strategy to expose Robinson's weaknesses and Chavez Jr. puts it into practise like he's not actually human but some sort of unimaginably advanced NASA supercomputer or something. Robinson is game, down on all three cards but continuing to plod forward round after round, but he begins to tire around the ninth and finally goes down to a weak looking, albeit pinpoint accurate left hook with plenty of time remaining in the round. He bravely motions to his corner that he's okay to continue, but his legs immediately betray him and he's content to cover up as Chavez Jr prances forward, winding up bolo punches and displaying what can only be described as a complete offensive repertoire. Big right hand connects, followed by another and yet another - he's making Robinson look silly now! Jab to the body, left hook upstairs, right cross, left uppercut, body, head, body, body, body, head, how much more punishment can Robinson take from a murderous puncher like this? Not much is the answer, as Chavez feints a jab only to detonate an overhand right directly onto Sugar Ray's getting brittler by the second chin. He crumbles through the ropes, evoking memories of his first fight with LaMotta - only this night, he's not getting up and he's not walking out of the ring under his own volition. Ninth round KO, meaning the outcome is the same no matter whether this is scheduled for 12 or 15 rounds. The girls in bikinis all mob Chavez Jr in the centre of the ring. LIKE A BOSS!

Scott9945
04-05-2011, 09:17 PM
Nice bait thread. Or at least I hope that's all it is. :lol1:

Marchegiano
04-05-2011, 09:25 PM
Your a funny guy.

DarkTerror88
04-05-2011, 10:07 PM
DURHH PAC/FLOYD KO DEM BOTH INSIDE OF 1 ROUND HERP.

but seriously, JCC is a bona fide ATG, but if the left hook from fullmer II hits him, hes down for at least an 8 count. SRR just puts out an offensive that not many in the game can compare to. JCC keeps it competetive but thats all i give him.
And im a huge JCC fan too.

wait wait wait wait, what? JCC JR?!?!?! WT EFF!. not a chance. gtfo nuthugger

BigStereotype
04-05-2011, 10:56 PM
Ultimate troll post. This really should be stickied...**** that, put this up in a museum. There has been too much effort put into this to delete. You have earned my respect, especially because you clearly know what you're talking about.

Southpaw Stinger
04-05-2011, 11:18 PM
Like those people that start a sentence with 'I'm not racist, but' - then they say something racist.
I'm not a troll, but I'm going to feckin' act like one! I'm not an idiot, but I bet you'll think differently after reading what I've got to say!

bklynboy
04-06-2011, 10:01 AM
Ultimate troll post. This really should be stickied...**** that, put this up in a museum. There has been too much effort put into this to delete. You have earned my respect, especially because you clearly know what you're talking about.

A great post - especially this line:

Okay, sure, Robinson bounced back after losses to LaMotta, Fullmer Turpin and Basilio, but I don't think any of those guys were quite on Vanda's level,


LMAO

THE REED™
04-06-2011, 10:10 AM
This was my favorite part:


Robinson is game, down on all three cards but continuing to plod forward round after round...

Jim Jeffries
04-06-2011, 10:25 AM
I did have a bit of a chuckle at this part, but really, the history section probably isn't the place for this type of comedy.

Freddie Roach formulates the perfect strategy to expose Robinson's weaknesses and Chavez Jr. puts it into practise like he's not actually human but some sort of unimaginably advanced NASA supercomputer or something.

The_Demon
04-06-2011, 11:45 AM
Comedy gold,i like the way you actually put some thought into it

Scott9945
04-06-2011, 12:34 PM
I did have a bit of a chuckle at this part, but really, the history section probably isn't the place for this type of comedy.

But if he posted it in NSB, countless people would take it seriously and there would be actual debating over this. Am I wrong? :lol1:

THE REED™
04-06-2011, 12:41 PM
But if he posted it in NSB, countless people would take it seriously and there would be actual debating over this. Am I wrong? :lol1:

If he posts it in NSB, it would last 4 seconds.

BigStereotype
04-06-2011, 12:51 PM
If he posts it in NSB, it would last 4 seconds.

He did. It was really disappointing. Nobody REALLY bit on it.

Vadrigar.
04-06-2011, 01:05 PM
Who are you trying to wind up?

NChristo
04-06-2011, 03:02 PM
Funny stuff :lol1:, reminds me of BennyST's writing style, write an essay which is all sarcastic but make it as believable as possible / make others believe you're convinced.

Love it.



But yeah, English Bricklayers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican Taxidrivers, not even debatable.

GF of Boxing
04-06-2011, 10:04 PM
You can't be serious? I'm not sure by the way you were writing if you were talking about the dad or the son. I've got many fights of Robinson in his hey day and his best years were at welterweight and there is not a lot of footage of his fights. There is no way Chavez jr. would be Robinson not even at middleweight. I know everybody is entitled to their own opinion and you did a decent job to support your opinion, but come on man.

cja07007
04-06-2011, 10:15 PM
I was outraged and then very amused by this post. Well written but I don't know how I feel about it being in the history section, it being kind of a sacred place. As long as we keep this to a minimum it was funny.

RINGG
04-08-2011, 04:07 AM
Funniest thread outside the nsb all year!! I can't give the TS green for the laugh because I'm afraid he may to hang himself with it or eat it but it was very funny opening post.

Levcon8686
04-08-2011, 02:42 PM
''Finally and also in favour of Chavez Jr, it's rare you find two all-time great level fighters campaigning in the same weight at the same time - and rarer still that they actually put it on the line and face one another! - but that's exactly what we have at the moment in Chavez Jr and John Duddy. ''

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