View Full Version : Streetfighter or boxer?


Maxgaggi
04-05-2011, 06:47 PM
I sparred on saturday against two guys with no technique at all, however, they were two huge guys which came swinging from the first second to the end of the third round.
I didnt know how to react to be honest. Im used to sparring with lighter and more technical guys. Im 75 kg, spar with national champions but theyre about 60-65 kgs.
One of these guys was a tall 84 kgs and the other was 77.

I threw myself in the fight and it didnt go really well. The ring was also small so really nowhere to back up.

I let their coaches know I wanna spar them again this saturday, I got freakin angry after the sparring, it wasnt an ass whooping, but I wasnt able to box as I know.

hayZ
04-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Maybe tie them up i.e. like holyfield v tyson dont let them get their shots off or if they are too big and if they manhandle you in clinches then get close to them i'd assume and unleash some sickening bodyshots which will probably make them more slower and methodical which would probably be where you are more in your element. Get in and out quick like pac v margarito

Note - I am not a trainer but this is what i have seen throughout my years of watching numerous fights....

October
04-05-2011, 07:15 PM
Think of Cotto's strategy against Mayorga - i.e., even a wild-swinging brawler like Mayorga can hurt a skillful boxer/brawler in Cotto with basically any punch, no matter how crude his technique is. Cotto's and Steward's strategy? Don't let Mayorga (the heavier guy, in your case) dictate the direction and pace of the fight.

Even if you block the punches, they're going to hurt you, because you're taking the shots on your arms and gloves. You need to be elusive. Use lateral movement instead of moving back in straight lines. Use short punches - that's the key. Be textbook with your shots - throw them straight down the middle, very short. Be the first one to land and keep changing angles. Move out of the way, but do so with angles, not backing straight up.

mushahadeen
04-05-2011, 10:21 PM
well if they have no technique then they must not box much and if they don't box much then their stamina has to suck.

so i would move, keep them @ bay with jabs, tire the motherfvckers out, and then pick them apart.

DJ QUIK JR.
04-06-2011, 01:22 AM
when i whip pitos ass watch my technique.

Maxgaggi
04-06-2011, 02:48 PM
lol is this an answer?

Uturn
04-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Whip that jab out as often as possible. If they're swinging, then their shots are easy to see coming. You should be able to predict what they're going to do next, as soon as he goes to throw something wild - throw some hooks. Everything they do is telegraphed, make them pay for it, and they'll think twice. Plenty of movement too.

Crushedknee
04-07-2011, 01:55 AM
Sounds like a good opportunity to work on your defense and counter punching skills..If the ring is small it's no favor to a ranged style...Wild swinging brawling styles are great to counter or even better to Beat to the punch..The key is mid range straight punches mostly the right. If I fight a brawler that throws a lot hooks I come back with a little street defense...Active forearm sweep to the side to deflect, then counter with a straight from other arm and hide behind shoulder maybe drop a little height rinse and repeat. It takes ages for a well deflected hook to return to firing position...Your open to a straight with a active arm defense like that but some people cant throw a straight punch..at all..Exploit it..a lot.

CiganoBoxer
04-07-2011, 11:08 AM
this mma gym I spar/box alot of mma guys that have like a very poor brawling technique and they come swinging at you ,but i find easy to take the piss out of cause their punches are so wide and you see them coming by a mile...best way to stop anybody like this are long straight punches i find :boxing:

TouchyAndalou
04-07-2011, 06:10 PM
At the start of sparring the first guy, put out you hand like you mean to touch gloves and then kick him hard in the shin. This will let them know that you mean business.

putaloco
04-07-2011, 07:04 PM
hard uppercuts when they are coming in

Holtol
04-07-2011, 07:32 PM
Sounds like you might be trying to set them up to much. You might already know this but against people with no exsperience you can't trick them the same way. Because they have no idea its even a trick. If your used to fighting guys with exsperience its a totally diffrent game. I have seen good fighters have problems with beginers because they are used to fighting people who react the way they are suppose to. You are having a problem likely becuase the people you are sparing are not reacting the way you are used to. I used to simplify my game with aggresive big beginers and had more succes. Also look for what their personal reaction to things are when they slow down.

copelahama
04-07-2011, 11:04 PM
Sounds like you might be trying to set them up to much. You might already know this but against people with no exsperience you can't trick them the same way. Because they have no idea its even a trick. If your used to fighting guys with exsperience its a totally diffrent game. I have seen good fighters have problems with beginers because they are used to fighting people who react the way they are suppose to. You are having a problem likely becuase the people you are sparing are not reacting the way you are used to. I used to simplify my game with aggresive big beginers and had more succes. Also look for what their personal reaction to things are when they slow down.

this is so true

and also the trick to brawlers is to always keep moving, and its likely if they are beginners that they are forgetting to protect their body (most beginners may start out protecting their face but entirely disregard the body) - just take advantage of that are you will be smooth sailing

Earl Hickey
04-08-2011, 05:02 AM
If they have no technique then you need to keep your composure and counter their wild swings.

Maxgaggi
04-08-2011, 04:35 PM
so true man....im used to technical intelligent lightweights, sometimes i lay back on the ropes like if im hurt or tired so i can counter punch...the beginners dont come forward lol...its like if they dont understand they hurt me! lol..

but its aite guys..thanks for the advice...im gonna spar this guy again tomorrow, im gonna keep these things in mind...might tape it and upload it here!

~BoZz~
04-09-2011, 12:02 PM
jabs and movement.

Danny Gunz
04-09-2011, 01:24 PM
this mma gym I spar/box alot of mma guys that have like a very poor brawling technique and they come swinging at you ,but i find easy to take the piss out of cause their punches are so wide and you see them coming by a mile...best way to stop anybody like this are long straight punches i find :boxing:

This is exactly what I was gonna post lol, even about the MMA gym thing.

The place I train at over the past couple years has had large crowd of MMA fighters and every once in a while Im sparring one of them.

I change up my style alot when I fight them because they just swing pretty wildly basically I keep my hands right at my head higher then usual and get a lot lower then usual. Im able to deliver really strong straight punches that are pretty easy to land and get out of the way from their looping punches.

I actually did get dropped once or twice by an MMA fighter which was frustrating thats when I decided to change up my style when I spar them.

FeFist
04-09-2011, 07:09 PM
Circle them and keep them moving. Most people who street fight are not used to moving around so if you use the full space of the ring they will be weezing after 5 minutes.

Use feints too, I've noticed that people who are not experienced with boxing have a tendency to try and react to every single hand movement by trying to parry it with their hand so it shouldn't be too difficult to get them to lower/abandon their guard.

Mam1
04-10-2011, 05:12 AM
boxer technician

Maxgaggi
04-15-2011, 06:17 PM
Hey guys,

I sparred again with him...

The outcome was unexpected...

I decided to think more and wait for his shots, jabbin him all the time...every time he used to throw his right, which was almost always a power punch I just turned towards his right shoulder making him miss wildly. I did this over and over countering with 1-2s and right hands, the guy got so pissed, he just couldt find me...

Half way through the second round he got so angry he pushed me against the rope, i leaned on them givin my back to him and the S.O.B. just started pounding on the back of my head!

I guess that was the only way to get to me..so the ref stopped the session and the guys not allowed in the gym no more lol.

Impressive changes from one sparring session to another..it was just a confidence boost. Great experience.

Soju
04-16-2011, 10:28 AM
wow that guy's a colossal ****tard and was obviously going to the gym for the wrong reasons

MonsieurGeorges
04-17-2011, 02:46 PM
good for you man, shows why you should always stick with something difficult

Juof
04-17-2011, 07:37 PM
good to hear you boxed the socks off him to force him to use dirty tactics shows why boxing is a thinking mans game and not just anyone can bulldoze thier way to victories

squealpiggy
04-17-2011, 11:00 PM
Hey guys,

I sparred again with him...

The outcome was unexpected...

I decided to think more and wait for his shots, jabbin him all the time...every time he used to throw his right, which was almost always a power punch I just turned towards his right shoulder making him miss wildly. I did this over and over countering with 1-2s and right hands, the guy got so pissed, he just couldt find me...

Half way through the second round he got so angry he pushed me against the rope, i leaned on them givin my back to him and the S.O.B. just started pounding on the back of my head!

I guess that was the only way to get to me..so the ref stopped the session and the guys not allowed in the gym no more lol.

Impressive changes from one sparring session to another..it was just a confidence boost. Great experience.

I'm glad you managed to learn from this knuckle-dragging doofus. Guys come to the boxing gym thinking they can fight and thinking that sparring is fighting, and it's tough for a small guy to cope if they start being dirty. You did really well adapting, and got some really good advice from here as well.

You spar another doofus who wants to cheat to "win" at sparring by breaking the rules of boxing, pull some of the more subtle boxing tricks in return. Push off with the elbow for example or, my favourite when someone is leaning on me and holding is to drop the shoulder his chin is resting on and sharply bring it up again. Then when he backs off step on his toe and throw an overhand right.

Oh and work on really short lefts to the body. If you can hit with power into the liver while he's holding then he won't hold any more.