View Full Version : Should Pone Kingpetch be in the HOF?


IronDanHamza
04-03-2011, 11:06 AM
I pose the question; Does Pone Kingpetch belong in the HOF?

He only had a short career. Well, across 12 years he only had 35 fights, retiring with a record of 28-7.

But lets look at his resume;

Hitoshi Misako Top 5
Dommy Ursa - Top 5
Danny Kid- #3 a year prior, in the top 10 when he fought him.
Pascual Perez X2 - #1, #1
Mitsunori Seki Top 10
Kyo Nouchi - #7
Fighting Harada - #1
Hiroyuki Ebihara - #1

The obvious names that stand out are Pascual Perez and Fighting Harada. Kingpetch went 2-0 over Perez and 1-1 with Harada. Which is an amazing feat, to have a winning record over 1 HOF'er and not a losing record over another HOF'er.

But other than that he has a list of solid opposition faced and beaten and was considere at the top of the Flyweight division for quite a while.

He was Lineal Champion at Flyweight 3 times. Also defending his Lineage succesfully 3 times.

My question for you guys is; Is this HOF material?

crold1
04-03-2011, 12:37 PM
I pose the question; Does Pone Kingpetch belong in the HOF?

He only had a short career. Well, across 12 years he only had 35 fights, retiring with a record of 28-7.

But lets look at his resume;

Hitoshi Misako Top 5
Dommy Ursa - Top 5
Danny Kid- #3 a year prior, in the top 10 when he fought him.
Pascual Perez X2 - #1, #1
Mitsunori Seki Top 10
Kyo Nouchi - #7
Fighting Harada - #1
Hiroyuki Ebihara - #1

The obvious names that stand out are Pascual Perez and Fighting Harada. Kingpetch went 2-0 over Perez and 1-1 with Harada. Which is an amazing feat, to have a winning record over 1 HOF'er and not a losing record over another HOF'er.

But other than that he has a list of solid opposition faced and beaten and was considere at the top of the Flyweight division for quite a while.

He was Lineal Champion at Flyweight 3 times. Also defending his Lineage succesfully 3 times.

My question for you guys is; Is this HOF material?

Yes. I think he's long overdue. The first Thai World Champion and, while it was CLOSE, he beat a GREAT fighter in Harada, ended the reign of a great one in Pascual, and Ebihara was borderline Hall himself. Had a rough chin but should be there IMO.

IronDanHamza
04-03-2011, 01:01 PM
Yes. I think he's long overdue. The first Thai World Champion and, while it was CLOSE, he beat a GREAT fighter in Harada, ended the reign of a great one in Pascual, and Ebihara was borderline Hall himself. Had a rough chin but should be there IMO.

I can agree with that.

I think he deserves to aswell. Maybe his longevity effects him but he beat some good fighters and also beat some great fighters.

He has been retired for a long long time. Do you think he will get inducted eventually?

crold1
04-03-2011, 01:21 PM
I can agree with that.

I think he deserves to aswell. Maybe his longevity effects him but he beat some good fighters and also beat some great fighters.

He has been retired for a long long time. Do you think he will get inducted eventually?

Probably...he'll need a drumbeat campaign .

IronDanHamza
04-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Bump.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

hhascup
04-18-2011, 09:23 PM
The way it goes is that they give you 45 modern names and you can pick up to 10, but they then pick the top 3 vote getters. In the old-timers, they give you 50 names, and you can pick up to 10 but again, they only pick the top 3 vote getters.

Here's the list of names we received last year:

2010 International Boxing Hall of Fame Nominees in the Modern Class: (Last bout no earlier than 1943)
The voters can pick up to 10 boxers, But only the top 3 will be Inducted:

First Time Nominees

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Kostya Tszyu
3. Mike Tyson

Return Nominees

4. Horacio Acavallo
5. Georgie Abrams
6. Joey Archer
7. Jose Becerra
8. Johnny Bratton
9. Jimmy Carruthers
10. Donald Curry
11. Hiroyuki Ebihara
12. Tommy Farr
13. Tiger Jack Fox
14. Ceferino Garcia
15. Betulio Gonzalez
16. Yoko Gushiken
17. Naseem Hamed
18. Carlos Hernandez
19. Harry Jeffra
20. Rafael Herrera
21. Al Hostak
22. Peter Kane
23. Cocoa Kid
24. Pone Kingpetch
25. Tippy Larkin
26. Santos Laciar
27. Jose Legra
28. Miguel Lora
29. Raul Macias
30. Ernesto Marcel
31. Freddie Mills
32. Rinty Monaghan
33. Masao Ohba
34. Sven Ottke
35. Ken Overlin
36. Gustave Roth
37. Lou Salica
38. Dave Sands
39. Petey Scalzo
40, Samuel Serrano
41. Yoshio Shirai
42. Kid Tunero
43. Wilfredo Vazquez
44. Myung Woo Yuh
45. Hilario Zapata

Wild Blue Yonda
04-18-2011, 09:28 PM
I think he deserves induction, I do. Unfortunately, the longer you wait, the less likely you are to receive induction. It's a sad face of how the Hall works nowadays. On the bright side, if Kostya Tszyu is a first-ballot HOFer, literally anything is possible.

crold1
04-18-2011, 09:39 PM
I think he deserves induction, I do. Unfortunately, the longer you wait, the less likely you are to receive induction. It's a sad face of how the Hall works nowadays. On the bright side, if Kostya Tszyu is a first-ballot HOFer, literally anything is possible.

Not really true. That's more a Baseball or other sport thing. In boxing, time allows for campaigns, especially for smaller fighter who need time to get their names into more U.S. minds. Worked for Galaxy; worked for Chang. Those names get in during years when there are less STARS on the ballot. This year, the top three were almost pre-ordained. Next year, Hearns is the onyl super lock (that I can think of).

IronDanHamza
04-18-2011, 09:42 PM
I think he deserves induction, I do. Unfortunately, the longer you wait, the less likely you are to receive induction. It's a sad face of how the Hall works nowadays. On the bright side, if Kostya Tszyu is a first-ballot HOFer, literally anything is possible.

Not fond of Tszyu, WBY? :lol1:

Neither am I. Though I think he is indeed a good fighter, no way is he a First Ballot HOF'er, IMO.

hhascup
04-18-2011, 09:55 PM
It doesn't matter if they are a 1st ballot candidate or a 15th. The committee votes for the best 10, and then the top 3 get in. I have been on both the Modern and Old-Timers Committee for several years now. I didn't think Tszyu deserved to be in the top 3, But he did IMO deserve to be in the top 10, so he got my vote, as did Kingpetch.

crold1
04-18-2011, 10:01 PM
It doesn't matter if they are a 1st ballot candidate or a 15th. The committee votes for the best 10, and then the top 3 get in. I have been on both the Modern and Old-Timers Committee for several years now. I didn't think Tszyu deserved to be in the top 3, But he did IMO deserve to be in the top 10, so he got my vote, as did Kingpetch.

Henry:

I know some guys don't use a 1st ballot standard (and it took me a while to articulate mine) but I look at it this way:

If it's your first year, are you, indisputably, one of the Top Three?

If not, then I wait at least a year on the vote since I don't want to see someone who has been on the ballot a few years wait for someone I don't think merits immediate induction (which is why Tszyu didn't get my vote this year. He's not more accomplished as a pro, IMO, than Hamed (for one) and Jeffra is way overdue).

Thoughts?

P.S. Never said congrats on the Jersey Hall. Congrats. Don't know you but respect your work.

hhascup
04-18-2011, 10:12 PM
Henry:

I know some guys don't use a 1st ballot standard (and it took me a while to articulate mine) but I look at it this way:

If it's your first year, are you, indisputably, one of the Top Three?

If not, then I wait at least a year on the vote since I don't want to see someone who has been on the ballot a few years wait for someone I don't think merits immediate induction (which is why Tszyu didn't get my vote this year. He's not more accomplished as a pro, IMO, than Hamed (for one) and Jeffra is way overdue).

Thoughts?

P.S. Never said congrats on the Jersey Hall. Congrats. Don't know you but respect your work.

I voted for Jeffra and Hamed too, but I couldn't leave off Tszyu when it came to the top 10. Tyson and Chavez were locks, so that meant there was room for only 1 more.

Like I said, Tszyu wasn't in my top 3, but did make my top 10.

Thank you so much for the kind words.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-20-2011, 05:59 AM
Not fond of Tszyu, WBY? :lol1:

Neither am I. Though I think he is indeed a good fighter, no way is he a First Ballot HOF'er, IMO.

In truth, I am fond of him. He is a rare figure in Boxing --- a fighter of class & decency, whose image promotes the sport. I just think the idea of him as a first-ballot HOFer (when he arguably isn't even Hall-calibre, period) is simply ludicrous.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-20-2011, 06:00 AM
Not really true. That's more a Baseball or other sport thing. In boxing, time allows for campaigns, especially for smaller fighter who need time to get their names into more U.S. minds. Worked for Galaxy; worked for Chang. Those names get in during years when there are less STARS on the ballot. This year, the top three were almost pre-ordained. Next year, Hearns is the onyl super lock (that I can think of).

The Hall's record in recent years would seem to refute that to a great degree. It is not difficult to draw the conclusion that photo ops & interview chances with fresh, coherent Champions of recent times are getting preference over their ancestors.