View Full Version : Pernell Whitaker vs. Aaron Pryor @ 140lbs


-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 01:11 PM
How does it go down between these two fistic monoliths? Who do you have and why?



Poll coming with all options included (even the unlikely ones).

Barn
04-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Nice use of the pictures lol.

I would pick Whitaker by comfortable UD as he is not that far out of his prime at LW.

The_Demon
04-01-2011, 02:02 PM
Whitaker by decision,just too good all round for Pryor

Steak
04-01-2011, 03:02 PM
Whitaker by semi wide decision, Pryor goes down for a no count once or twice in the fight.

Burning Desire
04-01-2011, 04:28 PM
All you have to do is look at Aaron Pryor's fight with Gary Hinton, who was a slick Southpaw who gave Aaron Pryor alot of problems. And it was quite close points wise aswell as i remember it.

Pernell Whitaker is x2 better than Gary Hinton, and was excellent at dealing with pressure fighters.

But Pernell Whitaker would know he's been in a fight, it would be a hard a nights work over 12 rounds probably 115-113 Pernell Whitaker. With Aaron Pryor's workrate winning closish rounds to make it close.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-01-2011, 08:42 PM
Simply put, Whitaker was another class of fighter. Pryor would give him problems of note, but only over the first five or six. The rest would be an increasingly frustrating ride for Pryor, as Whitaker was even more unorthodox, & a much smarter boxer.

Really, someone like Duran is more upto Whitaker's level than a Pryor.

BigStereotype
04-01-2011, 08:45 PM
Pryor's style is all wrong for a defensive master like Whitaker (or Benitez or Mayweather etc. etc.). He telegraphs his punches, you know what's coming. If you're going to try and brawl with him, you have a serious problem. But he wouldn't even come close to hitting Whitaker, I don't think.

-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 08:46 PM
Yeah, but Duran's been done to death.



I love watching both the guys in this matchup (Duran, not as much), and was interested if anyone would envisage and compellingly break down an outcome that wasn't Whitaker by wide UD, so indulge me. Well, you did.



=]

-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 08:50 PM
I think Pryor was less obvious and somewhat more of a creative boxer than people are giving him credit for when he needed to be, but I agree that Whitaker likely wins the fight clearly on the cards.



Which is why I made the thread/poll. I was interested in reading the breakdown of anyone out there who may see Pryor winning, a compelling argument to make me think again.



Two of my All-Time favs to watch.

RubenSonny
04-01-2011, 08:51 PM
All you have to do is look at Aaron Pryor's fight with Gary Hinton, who was a slick Southpaw who gave Aaron Pryor alot of problems. And it was quite close points wise aswell as i remember it.

Pernell Whitaker is x2 better than Gary Hinton, and was excellent at dealing with pressure fighters.

But Pernell Whitaker would know he's been in a fight, it would be a hard a nights work over 12 rounds probably 115-113 Pernell Whitaker. With Aaron Pryor's workrate winning closish rounds to make it close.

Akio Kameda was a southpaw also.

The_Demon
04-01-2011, 08:53 PM
What about Pryor vs Tsyzu at 140? Interesting match-up

Wild Blue Yonda
04-01-2011, 08:55 PM
I think Pryor would find a fair measure of success in the first third of a 15-rounder, or maybe the majority of the first-half of a 12-rounder. Not only was he a difficult fighter to figure out, but while he was confusing opposition fighters (& their trainers) he was extremely aggressive --- to the point of a total disregard for self-preservation.

Against Whitaker, the more you stop & think, the more you attempt to anticipate the man, or second-guess yourself, the closer you move to defeat. If you are going to beat him, a head-on offensive, with awkward angles & a high-volume output is as good an approach as any. Pryor brought that, but I do think Whitaker was, in his own right, a genius at discerning his rivals & what made them tick. Another thing people drastically under-estimate with Whitaker is the toll his bodyassault took on rivals. None of his opponents ever spoke of it lightly, even though so many fight fans mistakenly overlook it.

RubenSonny
04-01-2011, 09:05 PM
I think Pryor would find a fair measure of success in the first third of a 15-rounder, or maybe the majority of the first-half of a 12-rounder. Not only was he a difficult fighter to figure out, but while he was confusing opposition fighters (& their trainers) he was extremely aggressive --- to the point of a total disregard for self-preservation.

Against Whitaker, the more you stop & think, the more you attempt to anticipate the man, or second-guess yourself, the closer you move to defeat. If you are going to beat him, a head-on offensive, with awkward angles & a high-volume output is as good an approach as any. Pryor brought that, but I do think Whitaker was, in his own right, a genius at discerning his rivals & what made them tick. Another thing people drastically under-estimate with Whitaker is the toll his bodyassault took on rivals. None of his opponents ever spoke of it lightly, even though so many fight fans mistakenly overlook it.

I agree, with the entire post, I always thought Whitakers pshysical strength was underrated too.

-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 09:07 PM
People tend to overlook a guy's bodypunching if he isn't reputed for crashing, fight-ending power shots there or whatever.


Sweet Pete was a sublime bodypuncher, so consistent with such rare variety and accuracy when striking to the torso. Had the gift of being able to avoid shipping anything in reply upstairs while doing it, too.

-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 09:11 PM
What about Pryor vs Tsyzu at 140? Interesting match-up
Thread it when you get a sec, lad. =]

SCtrojansbaby
04-01-2011, 09:49 PM
Pryor by an easy decision. When is Pernell going to hit Pryor seriously he'll be running the entire fight Pryor has the kind of non stop motor that can only be stopped by hitting back which Pernell is just too weak to do.

The_Demon
04-01-2011, 10:04 PM
Pryor by an easy decision. When is Pernell going to hit Pryor seriously he'll be running the entire fight Pryor has the kind of non stop motor that can only be stopped by hitting back which Pernell is just too weak to do.

When is he going too hit him? probably instantly after Pryor telegraphs a big shot and hits thin air,Pea could stand right in front of a guy and make him miss,he did nothing that even resembles 'running'

$BloodyNate$
04-01-2011, 10:05 PM
Simply put, Whitaker was another class of fighter. Pryor would give him problems of note, but only over the first five or six. The rest would be an increasingly frustrating ride for Pryor, as Whitaker was even more unorthodox, & a much smarter boxer.

Really, someone like Duran is more upto Whitaker's level than a Pryor.

This. Hope you like the karma.

The only thing arguably close in this fight is who's love was bigger for cocaine.

Whitaker probably make him look like a B level fighter winning a wide decision.

SCtrojansbaby
04-01-2011, 10:42 PM
When is he going too hit him? probably instantly after Pryor telegraphs a big shot and hits thin air,Pea could stand right in front of a guy and make him miss,he did nothing that even resembles 'running'


Pryor would put Pernell on his bike early. Throwing 80 punches and landing 12>throwing 30 and landing 10. It would be that kind of fight Pernell didn't have enough power to even make Pryor begin to lose confidence. What hurts even more is Pryor is the physically stronger fighter also.

Wild Blue Yonda
04-01-2011, 11:09 PM
Pryor would put Pernell on his bike early. Throwing 80 punches and landing 12>throwing 30 and landing 10. It would be that kind of fight Pernell didn't have enough power to even make Pryor begin to lose confidence. What hurts even more is Pryor is the physically stronger fighter also.

Another area people under-estimate & short-change Whitaker, in addition to his bodypunching --- volume. Whitaker was so much more offensively-active than most defensive fighters, & certainly much more than his usually given credit for. It's one of a few reasons I rate Whitaker above Mayweather in defense --- he just flat took more chances, & Whitaker always, always threw plenty of leather. Being blunt (& I'm sure you're a big enough man to admit it), you're just straight making it up to say Whitaker is throwing sparingly. It's an indisputable fact he threw plenty.

Mind you, only a fool takes up a fool's argument, & if you're contention is Pryor just eats Whitaker up, as you were...

Wild Blue Yonda
04-01-2011, 11:10 PM
This. Hope you like the karma.

The only thing arguably close in this fight is who's love was bigger for cocaine.

Whitaker probably make him look like a B level fighter winning a wide decision.

Appreciated, friend.

-TRGB-
04-01-2011, 11:28 PM
Akio Kameda was a southpaw also.
Pryor wasn't unduly troubled by Kameda, though, in my view. Pryor at his most blindly offensive was always open to replies and being caught off-balance and Kameda was game and a good puncher, so, I see it that Pryor's troubles in the fight were more ostensible; that's to say they were attributable less to the southpaw stance/style of Kameda than his battling heart and punching power when he would inevitably land, IMO. That one seemed like a fairly typical Pryor beatdown as I recall it.

RubenSonny
04-02-2011, 02:01 PM
Pryor wasn't unduly troubled by Kameda, though, in my view. Pryor at his most blindly offensive was always open to replies and being caught off-balance and Kameda was game and a good puncher, so, I see it that Pryor's troubles in the fight were more ostensible; that's to say they were attributable less to the southpaw stance/style of Kameda than his battling heart and punching power when he would inevitably land, IMO. That one seemed like a fairly typical Pryor beatdown as I recall it.

Salaamu alaykum akhi, he had more trouble than expected against an unranked unknown I think it was a combination of his reach, heart as you say and his southpaw stance. It just seemed like he was able to pick his shots better due to being a southpaw if I recall correctly been some time since I've seen that fight, maybe I'm just putting 2 and 2 together, I'm not sure Kameda was all that powerful, he never stopped anyone relevant.