View Full Version : Nicolino Locche


Steak
03-31-2011, 01:18 PM
In my opinion, Locche is the greatest pure defensive fighter of all time. Unlike other defensive masters who controlled the opponent and limited their offense with counter punches, Locche flat out invited you to attack him while standing right in front of you until you were tired, and then he would throw out some half assed offense to win the round every once in a while.

Ive always heard he never took training seriously and would even smoke inbetween rounds of some of his fights. for someone that had a very light training schedule and usually was out of shape, the man had amazing reflexes and skill.
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what are your thoughts on Locche, how do you rate him at 140lbs? and on a side note, does anyone know wtf was up with his eyes in the Paul Fuji fight? He came into the fight like that.

I wish there was more footage of him. I would have LOVED to see his first fight with Cervantes in good quality, shutting out a HOF calibur fighter.

mickey malone
03-31-2011, 02:33 PM
Locche was virtually unhittable in his prime and should be in everyone's top 10 at 140.. Not sure about his eyes myself. At one point, i thought it was down to bad vid quality, but then from certain angles, it clearly looks like he'd been poked in both sockets with the wrong end of a paint brush. Can't make it out?

joseph5620
03-31-2011, 03:34 PM
In my opinion, Locche is the greatest pure defensive fighter of all time. Unlike other defensive masters who controlled the opponent and limited their offense with counter punches, Locche flat out invited you to attack him while standing right in front of you until you were tired, and then he would throw out some half assed offense to win the round every once in a while.

Ive always heard he never took training seriously and would even smoke inbetween rounds of some of his fights. for someone that had a very light training schedule and usually was out of shape, the man had amazing reflexes and skill.
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what are your thoughts on Locche, how do you rate him at 140lbs? and on a side note, does anyone know wtf was up with his eyes in the Paul Fuji fight? He came into the fight like that.
I wish there was more footage of him. I would have LOVED to see his first fight with Cervantes in good quality, shutting out a HOF calibur fighter.






If anybody has an answer to that I sure would like to know too lol

TheGreatA
03-31-2011, 04:31 PM
Few could control a fight like Locche did with his defensive tactics. As you said he didn't put up much offense, although he did have a beautiful left hand when he used it. In his younger days he seemed to have been a more mobile boxer but later settled down to a more flat-footed stance, using the ropes to his advantage while avoiding the opponent's blows. Due to his defensive ability and fairly fast hands he was able to get away it, despite the sometimes poor conditioning and even disdain for the opponent.

I don't think anything was wrong with his eyes against Fuji.

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Locche toying with the former light welterweight champ Carlos Hernandez:

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He got shook up by a punch to the temple early on, but went onto dominate the rest of the rounds.

TheGreatA
03-31-2011, 04:51 PM
The above feat is especially impressive considering Hernandez was no bum, he was a hard-hitting boxer puncher who was just completely taken apart round by round by a master.

Here is Hernandez against Paolo Rosi:

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It's easy to see that he had ability to hang with any of today's 140 lb contenders and probably to hold a title belt atleast. Locche made mockery of him, aside from the early scare, a testament to Hernandez's power (which scored him 44 knockouts in 60 wins).

Paul Fuji on the other hand was simply outrageous and made to order for Nicolino, although it was then felt that Fuji's brute power would beat Locche. Fuji was a street fighter whose fights resembled Dempsey-Willard in their brutality. He was left a broken man by Locche however, after finding out that his power was useless when there was nothing to hit.

Holtol
03-31-2011, 07:19 PM
Yeah, he has an amazing ability to avoid punches. Never even heard of him before a couple years ago. Been a boxing fan for about 20 years and collected Ring Magazine for 10 years.

RubenSonny
03-31-2011, 07:28 PM
Yeah, he has an amazing ability to avoid punches. Never even heard of him before a couple years ago. Been a boxing fan for about 20 years and collected Ring Magazine for 10 years.

Boxing in Latin America had very little exposure during that time, thus lack of footage, very few people knew of him outside of in and around Argentina.

Holtol
03-31-2011, 09:27 PM
Boxing in Latin America had very little exposure during that time, thus lack of footage, very few people knew of him outside of in and around Argentina.

He is entertaning to watch, but your right there is not much video of him to watch.

RubenSonny
03-31-2011, 09:44 PM
In my opinion, Locche is the greatest pure defensive fighter of all time. Unlike other defensive masters who controlled the opponent and limited their offense with counter punches, Locche flat out invited you to attack him while standing right in front of you until you were tired, and then he would throw out some half assed offense to win the round every once in a while.

Ive always heard he never took training seriously and would even smoke inbetween rounds of some of his fights. for someone that had a very light training schedule and usually was out of shape, the man had amazing reflexes and skill.
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what are your thoughts on Locche, how do you rate him at 140lbs? and on a side note, does anyone know wtf was up with his eyes in the Paul Fuji fight? He came into the fight like that.

I wish there was more footage of him. I would have LOVED to see his first fight with Cervantes in good quality, shutting out a HOF calibur fighter.

Do you not consider him an ATG and do you consider Locche an ATG?

He is entertaning to watch, but your right there is not much video of him to watch.

Yeah, he was a marvel, like BI mentioned I'd love to see the first Cervantes fight.

New England
03-31-2011, 09:46 PM
to be fair to all the guys who earned them, locche had 14 draws
including some to opponents with less than ten fights in or near his prime
others with losing records (one guy was 0 and 4 with stoppage losses)


but the dude boxed over 1300 rounds!


maybe be was so talented he wasnt able to take every fight seriously


you do not win 117 fights without supreme ability if you are not a blessed puncher. that's a lot more brainwork than anything else.


i cant imagine going in to work supremely focused every day myself :)
and i'm no professional buttkicker


he's certainly a unique quantity in the sport.
deffinately a case of the mind being more gifted than the body.


the question becomes:
who would you rather watch him fight, amir khan or marcos maidana?

both would make for some theater

damn, i love boxing.




we can agree to disagree, but i dont believe he's anywhere near the best defensive fighter to ever lace up


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doesnt this man just look hard to hit?
:)

Steak
03-31-2011, 10:10 PM
Do you not consider him an ATG and do you consider Locche an ATG?



Yeah, he was a marvel, like BI mentioned I'd love to see the first Cervantes fight.
I consider them both ATGs, but because of the subjective nature of 'ATG' status I prefer to simply say they were HOFers since thats not arguable.

RubenSonny
03-31-2011, 10:22 PM
I consider them both ATGs, but because of the subjective nature of 'ATG' status I prefer to simply say they were HOFers since thats not arguable.

Ahh okay fair enough, I think so too, it just annoys me a bit because I've seen people claim Locche as an ATG and not Cervantes.

chiguy91
03-31-2011, 10:26 PM
he is deff an ATG and one of my favs...
imagine if talent like his was disciplined.....
at his weight class, he is top 5 imo.
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Steak
03-31-2011, 10:57 PM
Ahh okay fair enough, I think so too, it just annoys me a bit because I've seen people claim Locche as an ATG and not Cervantes.
Its because people only see him as 'the guy that Benitez beat to be the youngest titleholder ever'.

they just ignore the fact he beat the **** out of a lot of very good fighters, like Gonzalez, Jana, Frazerx2, Locche, Gimenez, Ortiz, DeJesus, Montillax2, Blackmoore and Thompson.

could have fought Arcari and Muangsurin though. dont know why the WBC unification never happened. maybe Columbia didnt recongnise it...?

RubenSonny
04-01-2011, 12:05 AM
Its because people only see him as 'the guy that Benitez beat to be the youngest titleholder ever'.

they just ignore the fact he beat the **** out of a lot of very good fighters, like Gonzalez, Jana, Frazerx2, Locche, Gimenez, Ortiz, DeJesus, Montillax2, Blackmoore and Thompson.

could have fought Arcari and Muangsurin though. dont know why the WBC unification never happened. maybe Columbia didnt recongnise it...?

Duran and him could of fought too, that would've been a sick fight, I think hes clearly greater than Locche.

Steak
04-01-2011, 12:11 AM
Duran and him could of fought too, that would've been a sick fight, I think hes clearly greater than Locche.
yep, overall I would also say Cervantes was the better fighter,(not by a huge amount since Locche has some underrated wins) but Locche's defensive ability was just unbelievable, so I prefer to watch his fights a little more.

Do you think prime Cervantes would have beaten Pryor?

RubenSonny
04-01-2011, 12:35 AM
yep, overall I would also say Cervantes was the better fighter,(not by a huge amount since Locche has some underrated wins) but Locche's defensive ability was just unbelievable, so I prefer to watch his fights a little more.

Do you think prime Cervantes would have beaten Pryor?

I think it would be an amazing fight, with Pryor outlanding him quite a bit, but with Cervantes tagging him with harder counters, Cervantes laying on the ropes countering quite a bit with Pryor constantly throwing, I think Pryor gets dropped a couple of times but does more work than the lower worker in Cervantes, I don't even know who I'd pick its such a difficult one, both have styles that mesh really well, I think they'd split a series, you?

Steak
04-01-2011, 12:43 AM
I think it would be an amazing fight, with Pryor outlanding him quite a bit, but with Cervantes tagging him with harder counters, Cervantes laying on the ropes countering quite a bit with Pryor constantly throwing, I think Pryor gets dropped a couple of times but does more work than the lower worker in Cervantes, I don't even know who I'd pick its such a difficult one, both have styles that mesh really well, I think they'd split a series, you?

I actually think Cervantes would have beaten him, after going through hell. He did quite well against Pryor despite being near the end of his career in their fight, and was able to drop him solidly...Pryor was never amazing when it came to defense. I think prime Cervantes was a bit more durable than Arguello as well, so he would have the ability to go late.

still, an unrelenting guy like Pryor almost always has a chance through sheer offensive assault and grit.

Spray_resistant
04-01-2011, 12:49 AM
One of the few old timers I really like to watch and think could best a top fighter in any era, I wish I could find more vids of him though. even without much power he was still very entertaining.

TheGreatA
04-01-2011, 04:41 AM
I believe Ray Arcel said that Locche had the best defense of any fighter he saw including Willie Pep. This doesn't mean he's greater than Pep though, who remains the greatest defensive boxer of all time alongside offensive fighters such as Armstrong and Robinson. But Pep had a lot more going for him than just his defense, he was faster and even had a better punch.

There's actually a fair bit of footage on Locche, by no means have we missed out on his career. It's difficult to acquire anything than just short highlights though but his fights are occasionally shown on Argentinian TV. Anyway, the Fuji and Hernandez fights show that he could rip into his opponents with punches as well when he felt like it. First let them get tired missing, and then started opening up. He always came on strong in the late rounds, a testament to his great pacing if not his conditioning.

BennyST
04-01-2011, 10:10 AM
It's easy to see that he had ability to hang with any of today's 140 lb contenders and probably to hold a title belt atleast. Locche made mockery of him, aside from the early scare, a testament to Hernandez's power (which scored him 44 knockouts in 60 wins).

Paul Fuji on the other hand was simply outrageous and made to order for Nicolino, although it was then felt that Fuji's brute power would beat Locche. Fuji was a street fighter whose fights resembled Dempsey-Willard in their brutality. He was left a broken man by Locche however, after finding out that his power was useless when there was nothing to hit.

I'd say even more than that. He'd be a multi time titlist etc. When you have guys like Malignaggi and ****e as titlists, someone like Hernandez would be one of the top fighters in todays division for a long time.

Flo_Raiden
04-01-2011, 10:10 AM
What an amazing defensive artist Locche was. Locche had amazing reflexes for such an out of shape man. It was like he could tell the future within 5 seconds. Dude could do totally nutso things like stand with his hands behind his back and dodge incoming punches, and once fought four rounds while holding a conversation with a member of the audience. If he spoke***65279; more English, and was willing to leave Argentina, he'd be a legend today.

eli porter
04-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Out of interest, how do you pronounce his name? loch or lock or lockeh?

NChristo
04-01-2011, 03:42 PM
Out of interest, how do you pronounce his name? loch or lock or lockeh?

Always pronounced it as Lo-key, probably wrong though.

Ziggy Stardust
04-01-2011, 06:19 PM
If he spoke***65279; more English, and was willing to leave Argentina, he'd be a legend today.

He's a legend among people who know boxing. Who gives a sh1t what casual fans think.....about anything?

Poet

nomadman
04-01-2011, 07:20 PM
I love anomalies like Locche, guys who so clearly go against the grain of what we expect and think we know about boxing. To look at Locche you'd expect him to be more of a balls to the wall slugger, not one of the slickest and most naturally talented defensive fighters of all time, which he most certainly was. His punch evasion was sublime. He seemed to have the ability to read what the opponent was likely to do a split second before they did it. Whether this was just an illusion of amazing reflexes, or if he read subtle movements of their body or even if he subconsciously analysed their style throughout a fight and made high-level computations of what they were likely to do given any one particular circumstance I don't know, but it's clear the guy was doing something amazing in there. He made numerous top level fighters look like wildly swinging amateurs. He could just as easily netralise pure boxers with subtle movements of his head and body as he could totally befuddle aggressive fighters with his madly bobbing pre-Whitacker style. Truly a wonderful fighter and an endlessly intriguing man to watch and analyse.

Holtol
04-02-2011, 12:58 AM
I love anomalies like Locche, guys who so clearly go against the grain of what we expect and think we know about boxing. To look at Locche you'd expect him to be more of a balls to the wall slugger, not one of the slickest and most naturally talented defensive fighters of all time, which he most certainly was. His punch evasion was sublime. He seemed to have the ability to read what the opponent was likely to do a split second before they did it. Whether this was just an illusion of amazing reflexes, or if he read subtle movements of their body or even if he subconsciously analysed their style throughout a fight and made high-level computations of what they were likely to do given any one particular circumstance I don't know, but it's clear the guy was doing something amazing in there. He made numerous top level fighters look like wildly swinging amateurs. He could just as easily netralise pure boxers with subtle movements of his head and body as he could totally befuddle aggressive fighters with his madly bobbing pre-Whitacker style. Truly a wonderful fighter and an endlessly intriguing man to watch and analyse.

Good post, Once in an interview Wayne Gretzky admitted that he could see things in slow motion. Locche definetly had some sort of extra abilitly or more refined ability that allowed him to avoid punches the way he did.

A while ago I saw a show on Discovery called "The Super Humans" it was a pretty good show. One of the people that they had on the show saw different colours when she heard different sounds. The colours botherd her sometimes but she said it helped her play music and do a lot of other things at a high level. Locche and other great boxers may have quite a different way of perceiving things that allows them to box at the highest level.